The Sexual Nature of Egyptians (was Re: Egyptian art of the nude?)
SenorMesa
responsible for the "nubianization" of Old
Egypt I've noticed recently. It seems that
Nefertitti, Cleopatra and Ancient Egyptians
in general, are now considered black people.
I am assuming this by the t-shirts, jewelry,
ect. that I have seen worn by a number of
black women here in Atlanta. Interesting
theory, that.
GROOVE YOU's theory of victorian Egypt
is as rediculous as his moniker.
Scott
GROOVE YOU
scott. recently i have nocticed replicas of ancient egyptian art being
drawn with different features than the originals, lighter skin and
practically no representation of the earliest pharonic periods. The only
representations is from a period after invasion when the pyramids were
already old.The trith is ancient egypt was african and any rediculous
theory other wise is fantasy. I have never seen any europeans with black
skin and i include all of the shades including the socalled red color(
like my sister). I have never seen a european with the hair that all of
the egyptians have that they call kinky., but in the bible is lambs
wool.I wonder why the egyptians didnt worship fire gods like the ice age
cultures?...yet worshiped osiris just like other african cultures...how
come they didnt cremate their dead like the ice age cultures?...instead
they buried there dead as did all african cultures..i could go on but
Yes!..they are considered nubian and they were nubian.
GROOVE YOU
welcome a season of the year or the rising of the nile may be perceived
as sexual, but it is not the mind of the egyptian. These ceremonies have
nothing to do with sex. Sex in the egypto-african culture is private and
is not something for public consumption or display. The phenomenom of rape
is foreign to africa and was introduced by more barbaric cultures as it
was introduced to america., so was bestiality , homsexuality, caesar
said: EVERY MAN SHOULD HAVE A BOY!..SICK!!!!!....I in none of the anceint
egyptian art will you find examples of these deviant acts of human
indescency. Now to some cultures for me to say that caesars statement was
sick is indecent of me on my part, but in the anceint african culture i
would be correct and justified in repudiating inhumane acts of a sexaul
nature. Egyptian art had a focus that was not about sex but raising ones
human level to a god like position, not in murdering people and getting
sexual gratification like some cultures do
Katherine Griffis
Reeder <ree...@sirius.com>' wrote:
In response to this comment from GROOVE YOU:
>In the culture of egypt, you didnt find the >>pediphile or the homosexual
or the barbarous mass murderer with his
>>deviant sexual habits.All of these were from cultures that levitated
>>towards the shallow animalistic instincts of nature, they were barbaric.
>>The egyptians were more concerned with the improving of ones self
>>spiritually and intelectually . They were studing the movement of the
>>stars,they were interested in life after death and building cities,
>>obtaining a orgasm was not the biggest objective on there priority list.
>This is silly. Just because the Egyptians did not show blatant sex
>scenes does not mean that they didn't consider sex in an erotic and
>sensuel context.Scenes of banqueting in the tombs are loaded with sexual
>symbolism. Maybe a little more exciting than taking a bath...
Greg: You will have to remember that GROOVE YOU here is building an
argument that all sexual perversion came from the "barbaric" cultures that
weren't Egyptian (and by Egyptians, GY means black/African/Negro only:
please see his postings on soc.culture and alt.culture.egyptian for the
thread), and he will "wind up" this diatribe to blast basically all groups
north of Egypt, ie. Europe, Asia, etc.
Neither he (assuming that GY is a male) nor another similar poster on the
egyptian newsgroups even *began* to see the intimacy of the
Niankh/Khnumhotep tomb paintings...so, your argument may get lost there..
Of course, the Contendings of Horus and Seth, the Story of Two Brothers,
and other such Egyptian stories contain scenes of unbelievable violence and
sexual imagery that wasn't always of a normal erotic nature. I suspect
that, more than anything, they were a reflection of a normal society that
has its good and its bad...
Katherine Griffis (Greenberg)
Member of the American Research Center in Egypt
SenorMesa
OK, I admit it. It was me all along. For years I have
known about Ancient Egypt being a black culture.
While no one was looking, I changed all the racial
features on all the artwork and reburied most of it.
Then, Howard Carter and I, working together with the
EEOTSBOOTRH (Evil Europeans out to Screw Blacks
out of their Righteous History) Planted all the items in
Tutankhamens' tomb. We did this so that no one would
know that the Egyptian culture was really the Negro
culture, all along. Meantime, we experienced tremendous
difficulties transporting huge basalt "ball-player" heads
from Egypt to central america where the would be confused
with the Olmec culture.
I am sorry for all the trouble I have caused and now that the
truth is out, I feel much better.
Scott the Art changer
Dave Forth
[snip]
>nature. Egyptian art had a focus that was not about sex but raising ones
>human level to a god like position, not in murdering people and getting
>sexual gratification like some cultures do
I think you should have seen some of the Egyptian artifacts before the
Victorians got at them and removed the naughty bits :-)
Dave
St. Ives, England
GROOVE YOU
tut that shows his natural black skin out of the tomb along with the king
tut mask that shows his african woolly braids, also you forgot to take
the Edfu text which writings tell where the egyptians said they came from,
south in inner africa from Tantr( gods land)...you forgot to get rid of
all of the woolly hair on all of the egyptians in all of the art. and
forgot to move Abu Simbel from sudan and move it to europe......i could
go on..please hurry up before the blacks see this!...LOL!...LOL!..
Dominic Green
evidence to suggest that not only the Ancient Egyptians, but also the
French, are in fact black as the ace of spades. Only the fact that they
are white-skinned and possess no negroid characteristics whatsoever has
hidden this fact from history.
Let us look at the Undisputable Case for the Gallic Black Man:
French is spoken all over Africa, and (coincidentally - OR IS IT?) all
over France. Many African languages apparently quite unrelated to French
contain words almost identical to the French equivalent - words like
'chaise longue', 'hors d'oeuvre' and 'automobile'. Furthermore, if we
discount the racist slander that states that All Negro People Look Alike,
this leaves us with the Evident Truth that states that All Negro People
Look Entirely Different From One Another. Now look at the French! They
look COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM BLACK PEOPLE! What else can they be but
Negros?
It is time that archaeological digs were set under way in France to
excavate the Great Zimbabwean Walls of Paris.
Yours
Ignatius Churchward Von Berlitz M.A. (Dom. Sci.) Oxon. (Oklahoma)
Mike Tittensor
> While you were stealing , you forgot to take the life size statue of king
> tut that shows his natural black skin out of the tomb along with the king
> tut mask that shows his african woolly braids,
Next thing you will tell me that they had tea cosy hats and ghetto
blasters...
--
Mike Tittensor (mi...@heridoth.demon.co.uk)
Mike Tittensor
Xina
Interestng...having looked at the remains of Rameses II, (up close...Im
sorry, I have YET to see a nose like that on any person of so called
nubian heritage. If you are to do a forensic reconstruction on any
number of mummies in Ancient Egypt, you would find that not all of that
society was what would be considered 'black'. The Egyptians, from what I
have been able to surmise, rarely if ever entered 'race' as a
pre-requisite of anyone's value in thier society. Predjudices it seems
are more rampant today than they ever were then.
While it IS true that a great many of Egypt's rulers were 'black' it is
not true to lump all of them together in a feeble attempt to reclaim some
sort of lost history, or set to right some great wrong that happened
during the Victorian era. Was there manipulation in the past on the part
of *mostly* white historians,...probably, but that is NOT the issue. Who
cares REALLY what color Tutankhamun's skin was?
Are we interested in historical accuracy and going by all the evidence
presented, both written and archaeological or not?
and Mike Tittensor (mi...@heridoth.demon.co.uk goes on to respond to
Grooveyou with:
>Might I suggest a trip to a good optician?
I would have to agree with Mr. Tittensor...
In Ma'at
Christina VanSpoor
xi...@netins.net
Mike Lowndes
YOU) wrote:
> To cultures that are barbaric..the setting of a ritual african dance to
> welcome a season of the year or the rising of the nile may be perceived
> as sexual, but it is not the mind of the egyptian. These ceremonies have
> nothing to do with sex. Sex in the egypto-african culture is private and
> is not something for public consumption or display. The phenomenom of rape
> is foreign to africa
Where's your proof?
> and was introduced by more barbaric cultures as it
> was introduced to america., so was bestiality , homsexuality, caesar
> said: EVERY MAN SHOULD HAVE A BOY!..SICK!!!!!....I in none of the anceint
> egyptian art will you find examples of these deviant acts of human
> indescency. Now to some cultures for me to say that caesars statement was
> sick is indecent of me on my part, but in the anceint african culture i
> would be correct and justified in repudiating inhumane acts of a sexaul
> nature.
...so now we know where this guys coming from...
On recent UK Egyptology documentaries I've seen a lot of penile
erections depicted in Egyptian friezes. Studiously ignored by Victorian
repressed 'archaeologists'. One recent docu. also postulated that
the center of priestly activity at Karnak centred around the
Holy Wank. Sounds like public display to me...
Whats your real agenda? Your posts are polemic and unscientific.
Mike
James Petts
<groo...@aol.com> writes
>I in none of the anceint
>egyptian art will you find examples of these deviant acts of human
>indescency.
Well, in a cave somewhat to the north of the first collonade of
Hatshepsut's temple at Deir el-Bahri there is a graffito of somebody
being subjected to what looks to me rather like buggery. It is not
really possible, however, to say whether the penetration is anal or
vaginal (nor indeed whether the recipient is male or female).
--
James Petts
"And no matter what pains one has spent on it, the horse is no
sooner led out than it gets exactly as dirty as before."
Xenophon, ca. 400 BC
Paula Sanch
Paula...@emich.edu
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"We can disagree without being disagreeable."
(Sis. Mickey Eaton, a southern Pentecostal)
Peter Metcalfe
: Well, in a cave somewhat to the north of the first collonade of
: Hatshepsut's temple at Deir el-Bahri there is a graffito of somebody
: being subjected to what looks to me rather like buggery. It is not
: really possible, however, to say whether the penetration is anal or
: vaginal (nor indeed whether the recipient is male or female).
I thought the recipient was Hatshepsut? (The active participant being
her 'Lord High Everything Else' whose name escapes me).
--Peter Metcalfe
James Petts
.canterbury.ac.nz> writes
Well, that's one theory. It's thought it might be H. getting it from
behind from Senenmut, but its not proven. However, the recipient does
appear to be wearing some form of royal headgear, so it is a real
possibility...
Katherine Griffis
'Paula...@emich.edu (Paula Sanch)' wrote:
>Okay, you've had a week's rest. Where is the next excoriating essay?
"hot issues" there: Below is a cut and paste of his post: "The Egyptians -
What Did They Building These Pyramids for, Exactly?
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A Dire Warning
By
Father Ignatius Churchward Von Berlitz M.A. (Dom. Sci.) Oxon. (Oklahoma)
Many a night I have sat staring out over the Nubian desert at these
monstrous erections fashioned by ancient hands, and wondered: Why build
such gigantic edifices, only to place inside them nothing but tiny
ventilation shafts suited only to the ingress of microscopic German robots?
Recently, however, I understood. The pyramids were BUILT by German robots!
Tiny, intergalactic robots of undeniably Teutonic character, led by
Hitler, who survived the fall of Berlin by driving out of the Fuehrerbunker
in a microscopic Panzer Tank up a shaft pointed at the Parts of Orion. It
is a well-known historical fact that Hitler was not a large man. We see
many photographs of Hitler - how many do we see of him standing next to an
object of well-known size, such as General Montgomery? British soldiers of
that time were of fairly standardized dimensions, and there is no reason to
believe that General Montgomery was any exception. Instead, Hitler
contrived always to be photographed with
men whose dimensions have not been adequately recorded by history, such as
Stalin and Neville Chamberlain. Chamberlain, indeed, is well known to have
varied wildly in height according to the phases of the moon. Hitler could
have been six inches tall for all we know, and all the photographs of him
walking around Germany cunning forgeries shot in dolls' houses.German
historians will recall the models of the proposed cyclopaean fascist
architecture of the new Berlin - these were not models! Hitler
actually lived in them, and came out to preach the Final Solution to his
Nazi followers in a high and squeaky voice.
Why is the door in the ventilation shaft of the Great Pyramid of Khufu
closed? *Hitler* is in there, planning the return of the Fourth Reich with
his Nubian Nazi Legions. I propose that a legion of highly trained
Nazi-speaking commandos be miniaturized (using technology the US government
has obtained from aliens by offering human sacrifice, but is concealing
from the General Public) and sent up the ventilation shaft to deal with
Hitler. It Is The Only Way.
Yours
Father Ignatius Churchward Von Berlitz M.A. (Dom. Sci.) Oxon. (Oklahoma)
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Ah, "Father Berlitz"! Ya gotta love him!
Nigel Strudwick
<pet...@visigoth.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <4ilakt$d...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, GROOVE YOU
> <groo...@aol.com> writes
> >I in none of the anceint
> >egyptian art will you find examples of these deviant acts of human
> >indescency.
>
> Well, in a cave somewhat to the north of the first collonade of
> Hatshepsut's temple at Deir el-Bahri there is a graffito of somebody
> being subjected to what looks to me rather like buggery. It is not
> really possible, however, to say whether the penetration is anal or
> vaginal (nor indeed whether the recipient is male or female).
It's normally assumed that the person bending over is female and the other
(surprise!) is male, and that they may be respectively Hatshepsut and
Senenmut. There's an article by Murname in the Journal of Near Eastern
Studies some time in the 1980s about it.
There's also the Turin Erotic Papyrus, although my recollections are that
it is "straight".
Nigel Strudwick
Arthur Wouk
Father Ignatius Churchward Von Berlitz M.A. (Dom. Sci.) Oxon. (Oklahoma)
sci.archaeology.moderated.
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GROOVE YOU
most scientists understand that any shape of nose that you could describe
originated from black skin since blacks were the first on the earth.
Paula Sanch
>it should be a law of usenet that all posts by
>Father Ignatius Churchward Von Berlitz M.A. (Dom. Sci.) Oxon. (Oklahoma)
>automatically be reposted to sci.archaeology, as well as the future
>sci.archaeology.moderated.
I second the proposal. Can we do a CFV? Or do we gotta do a proposal
first?
clastic Man
'Lord High Everything Else" Senenmut. The sex of the "recipient" is in no
doubt as her breasts are clearly drawn. The site of this sketch is inside
a small cave above the temple of Deir el-Bahri
In article <1996Mar29.095542@cantva>, Peter Metcalfe
<P.Met...@student.canterbury.ac.nz> wrote:
> James Petts <pet...@visigoth.demon.co.uk> writes:
>
> : Well, in a cave somewhat to the north of the first collonade of
> : Hatshepsut's temple at Deir el-Bahri there is a graffito of somebody
> : being subjected to what looks to me rather like buggery. It is not
> : really possible, however, to say whether the penetration is anal or
> : vaginal (nor indeed whether the recipient is male or female).
>
> I thought the recipient was Hatshepsut? (The active participant being
> her 'Lord High Everything Else' whose name escapes me).
>
> --Peter Metcalfe
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regards...
Clastic Man
The Almighty
... Eqypt ... that's it ... zilch. The people that left had a trait
that those who remained behind do not have ... ambition, curiosity,
vision, motivation, etc. Those who remained behind were too lazy to go
out in the world and make it theirs. That's why there is no
significant cultural remains or history within Africa ... has nothing
to do with anyone's repression ... it was never made.
In article <4jqd38$b...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, groo...@aol.com
says...