Re: Lee/etc is totally fucked in the head

[JTEM]

Sick fuck, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Who are you trying to kid? Your model is based on African tigers.

Ironically, the specific type of big cat makes no
difference what so ever, it is entirely irrelevant.

On the other hand, your idiotic "Persistence
hunting model" is based on idea that the prey
stopped and allowed our ancestors to catch
up.

I should also point out that it's circular: They had
to already be persistence hunting in order for
selection to evolve the capability to persistence
hunt, but your highly diseased brain is unlikely to
grasp this.

It never has in the past.

[Lee Olsen]

On Oct 7, 10:14 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sick fuck
"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
Jack Teehan <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
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http://tinyurl.com/4v2ed4s
"Like I said, go on: Jump!"

New York.S 135.60 Coercion in the second degree.
A person is guilty of coercion in the second degree when he
compels or induces a person to engage in conduct which the
latter has a legal right to abstain from engaging in, or to
abstain from engaging in conduct in which he has a legal right
to engage, by means of instilling in him a fear that, if the
demand is not complied with, the actor or another will:
1. Cause physical injury to a person; or
2. Cause damage to property; or
3. Engage in other conduct constituting a crime; or
4. Accuse some person of a crime or cause criminal charges to
be instituted against him; or
5. Expose a secret or publicize an asserted fact, whether true
or false, tending to subject some person to hatred, contempt
or ridicule

[JTEM]

Check this out. "Lee" (etc) is claiming that
a human can out-run a horse in the desert.
His cite? A race between a human and a
horse where the horse was FORCED to take
not one but TWO 40-minute breaks.

Those were the rules. The horse was
required to take TWO 40-minute breaks.

Here's a direct link to Lloyd's/Lee's (etc)
post. The URL to his cite, the one that
spells out the rules, is in his post. Cut &
paste it into your browser:

http://tinyurl.com/bnkbkpo

IT'S HIS OWN CITE!

He has zero reading comprehension...

[Lee Olsen]

On Oct 11, 1:29 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Check this out.

> Those were the rules.  The horse was
> required to take TWO 40-minute breaks.

Here is a horse that wasn't given a break:
http://tinyurl.com/9hywxqw
How cruel.

But we all know what monsters exist out there:

"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
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[JTEM]

[Lee Olsen]

On Oct 13, 12:17 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sick fuck

"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
Jack Teehan <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
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Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 03:01:38 -0800 (PST)
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JTEM: "Two issues: No Homo reached Flores stepping over Crocs,
they had to do it following the coast...."

Hey moron, if you followed a coast, you would never cross the water.
Geez, you are so dumb.

[JTEM]

[Lee Olsen]

On Oct 13, 6:14 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sick fuck
"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
Jack Teehan <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153
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Archaeologists
: have excavated shell middens dated to 12,000 to
: 13,000 years old in the Channel Islands off California,
: which could have only been reached by boat from the
: mainland.

"only"? Really?

http://tinyurl.com/9qyql3v

[Lee Olsen]

On Oct 19, 1:02 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sick fuck,

"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
Jack Teehan <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153
In His Glory: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153

Archaeologists
: have excavated shell middens dated to 12,000 to
: 13,000 years old in the Channel Islands off California,
: which could have only been reached by boat from the
: mainland.

"only been reached by boat"? Really?
http://tinyurl.com/9qyql3v

So much for the boat heresy hypothesis.

[Claudius Denk]

On Aug 12, 6:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Claudius Denk wrote:

Claudius Denk:
In my model pest-control agriculture is instrumental in explaining
the
selective origins of consciousness, which is accentuated to such an
extreme degree in our species. Explain to us how a "lifestyle" of
long distance running explains the selective origins of
consciousness.

Rich Travsky:
NO ONE has claimed that running has anything to do with
consciousness.
NO ONE.

Claudius Denk:
So, you don't consider humans/hominids conscious?

[Tom McDonald]

Trying to pick another fight, Jim? Have you recovered from your wounds
from last time?

[VtSkier]

Jim, have you stopped beating your wife yet?

well that's the kind of response your humans/hominids consciousness
response is. Maybe you have something to offer, but these kinds of
responses aren't conducive to getting your point across.

[Claudius Denk]

You anthro-groupies crack me up. You have no argument. And yet you
are sure you are right.

[Tom McDonald]

He presents a total non-sequitur. No rational response is required.

[Claudius Denk]

Do you think it's not obvious that if you had a rational response you
wouldn't be looking for excuse for not having one?

[George]

Tom McDonald wrote:

> Trying to pick another fight, Jim? Have you recovered from your wounds
> from last time?

The brain damage he suffered is evidently still with him

[JTEM]

George <gbl...@hnpl.net> wrote:
[---snip---]

Thinking he was supporting his "Persistence
Hunting," Lee/Lloyd/etc posted
the following link as "proof" that man can
out-run a horse.

....what the story actually states is, speaking
of the human runner:

: He was able to take advantage of rules saying the
: horse must make two 40-minute food and water
: breaks.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/animals/newsid_1804000/1804830.stm

[Lee Olsen]

JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That was the actual date given by the cite.

That "actual date" is not associated with the oldest
skeletal material.

>
> Here. Read it. In particular, note the second
> paragraph after the italics:
>
> http://www.jstor.org/pss/281063
>
> Clovis: 13,500

Clovis 11,050 rcybp (Waters and Stafford 2007)

> Rock shelter: 6,700

Rockshelter:
Sheppard et al. (1987): 10,810 +/-300
Hicks (2004): 9,610 +/-40

Floodplain (directly below rockshelter entrance)
Shepard et al. 1984: 10,130 +/-300 "minimum date"
Hicks (2004): 10,570 +/-70

Sheppard et al. never claimed in any publication, 1984 or 1987, that
the
oldest remains were 6,700. End of story.

>
> Difference: 6,800 (one usually rounds up at
> five and above), rounds up to 7,000.

OK, round up this:

Waters and Stafford (2007) 11,050 minus
Hicks (2004) 10,570 +/-70
equals 480 for the floodplain skeletal material.
or
11,050 - 9,610 = 1440 for the layer closest to the creamation
hearth in the rockshelter.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmes_Rockshelter
"Human remains at the site are the oldest that have been found in
Washington,
and at the time was the oldest set of remains found in North America.
Later radiocarbon work has confirmed the original dating of this
site,
indicating that these human remains, albeit very fragmentary, are
still
some of the oldest ever excavated in the New World."

[RichTravsky]

DimJimMcGinn:
dodging again, bringing up something irrelevant.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
...
6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.UISxDmeuoS4
updated 9/29/2010

For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
...

As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.

[Claudius Denk]

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...

> updated 9/29/2010
>
> For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
> themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
> ...
>
> As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.

[Tom McDonald]

"You keep pretending that the known fact that humans are built very well
for endurance running must be a complete theory of social complexity and
communal territorialism in humans. That's never been the case. It has
always been a straw man argument--*your* hand-built, rickety, evasive
and vague straw man argument.

"It is unfortunate that you use your endurance running to run from
discussions here. But that's probably just you being socially complex
and communally territorial."

[Claudius Denk]

Let's, for a moment, be objective. Let's suppose we did a survey of a
sample of the world population and asked the following questions:
1) Did you run long distance today?
2) Did you swim today?
3) Did you communicate with other humans today using language today?

The percent answering yes to 1 and 2 would be under 10 percent.
The percent answering yes to 3 would be over 98%.

It seems to me, Tom, that you and your cohorts would save yourselves a
lot of embarrassment if you just took a few minutes to ask yourselves
these kinds of simple questions.

[Tom McDonald]

Of course. If anyone were making the argument that endurance running
were the key to our entire cultural evolution, you might have a point.

No one is, and you don't.

> It seems to me, Tom, that you and your cohorts would save yourselves a
> lot of embarrassment if you just took a few minutes to ask yourselves
> these kinds of simple questions.
>

Since that would be, as you say, a simple (as in simple-minded)
enterprise, it would be more useful to help one get to sleep than to
advance our understanding of cultural evolution.

[Claudius Denk]

The phrase "cultural evolution" has a connotation that is specific to
the study of culture (cultural anthropolgy, for example). It's
meaningless in the context of a discussion focussed on biological
evolution, which is the subject in this thread. Do not mix
terminology from these two very different paradigms/disciplines. It
will only cause confusion.

> , you might have a point.
>
> No one is, and you don't.

The discussion is focussed on biological evolution, not cultural
evolution. You are confusing apples and oranges.

> > It seems to me, Tom, that you and your cohorts would save yourselves a
> > lot of embarrassment if you just took a few minutes to ask yourselves
> > these kinds of simple questions.
>
> Since that would be, as you say, a simple (as in simple-minded)
> enterprise, it would be more useful to help one get to sleep than to
> advance our understanding of cultural evolution.

Sweet dreams.

[Tom McDonald]

So now you want to focus on semantics. Huh.

How about addressing the point?

[Claudius Denk]

You seem to not have one.

[Tom McDonald]

Run away, Jim. Run away very fast.

[JTEM]

Tom McDonald <kilt...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "You keep pretending that the known fact that humans are built very well
> for endurance running must be

Humans are better built for swimming than "endurance running."
People who could never dream of endurance running -- young
children, the elderly and obese -- can and do swim.

Of course, even distracts from the fact that humans are WALKERS.

We need only look around us, causally glance at the people
outside -- at the mall, at work -- and see that we are a species
of WALKERS who can run.

Apes are quadrupeds who can travel bipedally, humans are
walkers who can run.

Duh.

I mean, this is beyond obvious...

[Claudius Denk]

[RichTravsky]

Except that there is no such thing...

> the
> selective origins of consciousness, which is accentuated to such an
> extreme degree in our species. Explain to us how a "lifestyle" of
> long distance running explains the selective origins of consciousness.

No one has said one has anything to do with the other - except by you
as a dodge.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
...
6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.UISxDmeuoS4

updated 9/29/2010

For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
...

As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.

Why can't you address such things?

[RichTravsky]

Please cite where you got those statistics from ->

Or admit you made them up.

[Claudius Denk]

Yet, and by your own un-coerced testimony, you have no alternative.
Right?

> > the
> > selective origins of consciousness, which is accentuated to such an
> > extreme degree in our species.  Explain to us how a "lifestyle" of
> > long distance running explains the selective origins of consciousness.
>
> No one has said one has anything to do with the other - except by you
> as a dodge.

I can't imagine why you would think I would have anything to dodge.

> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
> ...
> 6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
> ...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
> The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
> recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
> ...
>

> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...
> updated 9/29/2010
>
> For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
> themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
> ...
>
> As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.
>

> Why can't you address such things?

Do you think the fact that you have, by your own admission, no
hypothesis to serve as an alternative to my hypothesis is a fact that
will detract from our readers perception of you an authority on this
subject?

[RichTravsky]

I'm not proposing one. I am, however, pointing out neither do you since
you have no evidence.

> > > the
> > > selective origins of consciousness, which is accentuated to such an
> > > extreme degree in our species. Explain to us how a "lifestyle" of
> > > long distance running explains the selective origins of consciousness.
> >
> > No one has said one has anything to do with the other - except by you
> > as a dodge.
>
> I can't imagine why you would think I would have anything to dodge.

Then feel free to actually post evidence in support of your "hypothesis"

> > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
> > ...
> > 6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
> > ...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
> > The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
> > recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
> > ...
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...
> > updated 9/29/2010
> >
> > For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
> > themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
> > ...
> >
> > As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.
> >
> > Why can't you address such things?
>
> Do you think the fact that you have, by your own admission, no
> hypothesis to serve as an alternative to my hypothesis is a fact that
> will detract from our readers perception of you an authority on this
> subject?

Do you think the fact that you have, by your own admission, no evidence
and will not address the excerpts above will detract from our readers

perception of you an authority on this subject?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
...
6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.UISxDmeuoS4

[RichTravsky]

[Claudius Denk]

Since you seem to have no use for it, would it be alright if I used
your evidence?

> > >http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
> > > ...
> > > 6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
> > > ...
>
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
> > > The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
> > > recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
> > > ...
>
> > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...
> > > updated 9/29/2010
>
> > > For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
> > > themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
> > > ...
>
> > > As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.
>
> > > Why can't you address such things?
>
> > Do you think the fact that you have, by your own admission, no
> > hypothesis to serve as an alternative to my hypothesis is a fact that
> > will detract from our readers perception of you an authority on this
> > subject?
>
> Do you think the fact that you have, by your own admission, no evidence
> and will not address the excerpts above will detract from our readers
> perception of you an authority on this subject?

Why come to a discussion group if there is nothing you wish to
discuss?

>
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
> ...
> 6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
> ...
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
> The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
> recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
> ...
>
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...
> updated 9/29/2010
>
> For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
> themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
> ...
>
> As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.
>
> Why can't you address such things?

Oh the tangled web we weave . . .

[RichTravsky]

Use your own. Oh wait, you said you haven't any...

> > > >http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
> > > > ...
> > > > 6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
> > > > ...
> >
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
> > > > The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
> > > > recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
> > > > ...
> >
> > > >http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...
> > > > updated 9/29/2010
> >
> > > > For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
> > > > themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
> > > > ...
> >
> > > > As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.
> >
> > > > Why can't you address such things?
> >
> > > Do you think the fact that you have, by your own admission, no
> > > hypothesis to serve as an alternative to my hypothesis is a fact that
> > > will detract from our readers perception of you an authority on this
> > > subject?
> >
> > Do you think the fact that you have, by your own admission, no evidence
> > and will not address the excerpts above will detract from our readers
> > perception of you an authority on this subject?
>
> Why come to a discussion group if there is nothing you wish to
> discuss?

Does this mean you'll actually post some of your evidence?

> > http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
> > ...
> > 6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
> > ...
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
> > The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
> > recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
> > ...
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-scienc...
> > updated 9/29/2010
> >
> > For the first time, scientists have found that monkeys can recognize
> > themselves in mirrors, which hints that they are self-aware.
> > ...
> >
> > As you can see, the evidence shows running is not necessary for this.
> >
> > Why can't you address such things?
>

> Oh the tangled web we weave . . .

When DimJim practices to deceive.

Now, once again:

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
...
6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.UISxDmeuoS4

[RichTravsky]

[Claudius Denk]

On Nov 10, 7:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Claudius Denk wrote:

RichTravsky:

Then feel free to actually post evidence in
support of your "hypothesis"

Claudius Denk:

Since you seem to have no use for it, would
it be alright if I used your evidence?

RichTravsky:

Use your own. Oh wait, you said you haven't any...

Claudius Denk:
Why so selfish? Might you be a bit prickly because I continually
point out the running does such a poor job of explaining hominid
social adaptations?

[Claudius Denk]

Since you seem to have no use for it do you mind if I borrow your
evidence?

[RichTravsky]

Why so selfish? Might you actually have any evidence you can cite?
Might you be a bit prickly because I continually point out your
"hypothesis" can't explain long distance running?

[RichTravsky]

What use can I hvae of your evidence unless you actually post some cites?

Perhaps these will help

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conscious?s=t
...
6. aware of oneself; self-conscious.
...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_test
The mirror test is a test of whether animals possess the ability to
recognize themselves in a mirror, used as a measure of self-awareness.
...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39428373/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.UISxDmeuoS4