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JT
May 19, 2013, 1:32:48 PM5/19/13
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On Google maps you can see all sorts of reminants of buildings, but it
is hard to estimate the use and age of the ruin?
I am a bit interested of octagonal shaped ruins, this complex seem
rather big do you think it is a newer building a mosque or church or
of older origin how much of Babylonian remnants is there in southwest
Iran?
Could it be of Babylonian origin?
It seem to be fairly big octagon 30 meter across, from which age and
what could the purpose been, a plain house, church or astronomical
sighting?
https://maps.google.se/maps?q=33.42246,59.811&ll=33.421706,59.811595&spn=0.001916,0.004128&num=1&t=h&z=19&lci=com.panoramio.all
is hard to estimate the use and age of the ruin?
I am a bit interested of octagonal shaped ruins, this complex seem
rather big do you think it is a newer building a mosque or church or
of older origin how much of Babylonian remnants is there in southwest
Iran?
Could it be of Babylonian origin?
It seem to be fairly big octagon 30 meter across, from which age and
what could the purpose been, a plain house, church or astronomical
sighting?
https://maps.google.se/maps?q=33.42246,59.811&ll=33.421706,59.811595&spn=0.001916,0.004128&num=1&t=h&z=19&lci=com.panoramio.all
JT
May 19, 2013, 5:37:47 PM5/19/13
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There seem to be an outer arc around the structure, and when reading
about the Nebra sky disk, i was thinking it could be some astronomical
tools the stones seem huge though car size. Is this an old star
observatorium?
JT
May 19, 2013, 5:50:26 PM5/19/13
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On 19 Maj, 19:32, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
I was thinking that it could be an Babylonian astro lab, but i am
pretty clueless about which cultures occupied the region historically
where the Babylonians in this region? I do know that both the greeks
and the romans built octagonal houses but this seem to big for a
living house, so what is it. Is there any evidence for temples and
priests in this region during the Babylonian era. The place is
afterall named Zohan, and i was thnking a possible connection to the
temple and starlab of Zoroaster. But as i say i am clueless it could
be farming ground as far i am concerned. But the work seem pretty
elaborate, and i think there is some indicament of geometrical
structures within the octagon, and also the outer arc suggest some
astronomical use to me?
Where can i find data about the history of region and the structures
within it`?
JT
May 19, 2013, 5:54:01 PM5/19/13
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On 19 Maj, 19:32, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
Also in the picutre of Shamash and the shenu there seem to be
astronomical data. But what does it suggest 8 moon phases a year?
http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/images/gccc2_clip_image001.gif
Whiskers
May 19, 2013, 6:43:16 PM5/19/13
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the village (Zohān, in South Khorasan). But I expect you mean the fuzzy
outline visible in the 'satellite' view at 33.421312,59.810528 which seems
to be about 200 feet across with associated earthworks and with a
rectangular feature about 50 feet across in the middle. I don't know what
that is, but the locals don't seem to give it 'high status'. My guess is
that it's no more than a few hundred years old (or the shadows wouldn't
have such straight edges, as walls generally crumble unevenly).
There was a serious earthquake in that area last December.
--
-- ^^^^^^^^^^
-- Whiskers
-- ~~~~~~~~~~
JT
May 20, 2013, 2:21:53 AM5/20/13
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On 20 Maj, 00:43, Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
know its origin and purpose. But if it a couple hundred years someone
will shorly know what the structure is.
Babylonian priests seem to have divided the sky into 8 regions do you
know why. To me that suggest 8 months a year, pretty scary. I know the
romans once used 10 months a year.
http://doormann.tripod.com/asssky.htm
And if it by any chance is Babylonian i think it could be one of the
most prominent astronomical and mathmatical findings. They were a bit
obsessed with squares.
http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=1661
I know that ishtar is said to have symbolised venus in the Babylonian
pantheon, but i have come to doubt that most fertility godesses is
associated with moon is there any debate wheter Ishtar symbolised the
moon or venus, but if the moon why depict her by an 8 pointed star and
not twelve. It could be archaelogist had trouble connect an 8 pointed
start to the moon because it certainly do not make sense ***now***
And it is a fact that most early neolithic cultures associated the
great mother godess with the moon.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D84Fn0JcZhI/Txksiz4BTHI/AAAAAAAAANE/ddodqtgoOrY/s400/innasstamseall1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Kudurru_Melishipak_Louvre_Sb23_Ishtar-star.jpg
> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Google maps you can see all sorts of reminants of buildings, but it
> > is hard to estimate the use and age of the ruin?
>
> > I am a bit interested of octagonal shaped ruins, this complex seem
> > rather big do you think it is a newer building a mosque or church or
> > of older origin how much of Babylonian remnants is there in southwest
> > Iran?
>
> > Could it be of Babylonian origin?
> > It seem to be fairly big octagon 30 meter across, from which age and
> > what could the purpose been, a plain house, church or astronomical
> > sighting?
>
> > https://maps.google.se/maps?q=33.42246,59.811&ll=33.421706,59.811595&...
>
> > On Google maps you can see all sorts of reminants of buildings, but it
> > is hard to estimate the use and age of the ruin?
>
> > I am a bit interested of octagonal shaped ruins, this complex seem
> > rather big do you think it is a newer building a mosque or church or
> > of older origin how much of Babylonian remnants is there in southwest
> > Iran?
>
> > Could it be of Babylonian origin?
> > It seem to be fairly big octagon 30 meter across, from which age and
> > what could the purpose been, a plain house, church or astronomical
> > sighting?
>
>
> The most prominent octagonal feature is a roundabout on the main road past
> the village (Zohān, in South Khorasan). But I expect you mean the fuzzy
> outline visible in the 'satellite' view at 33.421312,59.810528 which seems
> to be about 200 feet across with associated earthworks and with a
> rectangular feature about 50 feet across in the middle. I don't know what
> that is, but the locals don't seem to give it 'high status'. My guess is
> that it's no more than a few hundred years old (or the shadows wouldn't
> have such straight edges, as walls generally crumble unevenly).
>
> There was a serious earthquake in that area last December.
>
> --
> -- ^^^^^^^^^^
> -- Whiskers
> -- ~~~~~~~~~~
Well if it as old as the Babylonian culture, they may not necessarily
> The most prominent octagonal feature is a roundabout on the main road past
> the village (Zohān, in South Khorasan). But I expect you mean the fuzzy
> outline visible in the 'satellite' view at 33.421312,59.810528 which seems
> to be about 200 feet across with associated earthworks and with a
> rectangular feature about 50 feet across in the middle. I don't know what
> that is, but the locals don't seem to give it 'high status'. My guess is
> that it's no more than a few hundred years old (or the shadows wouldn't
> have such straight edges, as walls generally crumble unevenly).
>
> There was a serious earthquake in that area last December.
>
> --
> -- ^^^^^^^^^^
> -- Whiskers
> -- ~~~~~~~~~~
know its origin and purpose. But if it a couple hundred years someone
will shorly know what the structure is.
Babylonian priests seem to have divided the sky into 8 regions do you
know why. To me that suggest 8 months a year, pretty scary. I know the
romans once used 10 months a year.
http://doormann.tripod.com/asssky.htm
And if it by any chance is Babylonian i think it could be one of the
most prominent astronomical and mathmatical findings. They were a bit
obsessed with squares.
http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=1661
I know that ishtar is said to have symbolised venus in the Babylonian
pantheon, but i have come to doubt that most fertility godesses is
associated with moon is there any debate wheter Ishtar symbolised the
moon or venus, but if the moon why depict her by an 8 pointed star and
not twelve. It could be archaelogist had trouble connect an 8 pointed
start to the moon because it certainly do not make sense ***now***
And it is a fact that most early neolithic cultures associated the
great mother godess with the moon.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D84Fn0JcZhI/Txksiz4BTHI/AAAAAAAAANE/ddodqtgoOrY/s400/innasstamseall1.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/Kudurru_Melishipak_Louvre_Sb23_Ishtar-star.jpg
JT
May 20, 2013, 2:49:03 AM5/20/13
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On 20 Maj, 00:43, Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Google maps you can see all sorts of reminants of buildings, but it
> > is hard to estimate the use and age of the ruin?
>
> > I am a bit interested of octagonal shaped ruins, this complex seem
> > rather big do you think it is a newer building a mosque or church or
> > of older origin how much of Babylonian remnants is there in southwest
> > Iran?
>
> > Could it be of Babylonian origin?
> > It seem to be fairly big octagon 30 meter across, from which age and
> > what could the purpose been, a plain house, church or astronomical
> > sighting?
>
> > https://maps.google.se/maps?q=33.42246,59.811&ll=33.421706,59.811595&...
>
> > On Google maps you can see all sorts of reminants of buildings, but it
> > is hard to estimate the use and age of the ruin?
>
> > I am a bit interested of octagonal shaped ruins, this complex seem
> > rather big do you think it is a newer building a mosque or church or
> > of older origin how much of Babylonian remnants is there in southwest
> > Iran?
>
> > Could it be of Babylonian origin?
> > It seem to be fairly big octagon 30 meter across, from which age and
> > what could the purpose been, a plain house, church or astronomical
> > sighting?
>
>
> The most prominent octagonal feature is a roundabout on the main road past
> the village (Zohān, in South Khorasan). But I expect you mean the fuzzy
> outline visible in the 'satellite' view at 33.421312,59.810528 which seems
> to be about 200 feet across with associated earthworks and with a
> rectangular feature about 50 feet across in the middle. I don't know what
> that is, but the locals don't seem to give it 'high status'. My guess is
> that it's no more than a few hundred years old (or the shadows wouldn't
> have such straight edges, as walls generally crumble unevenly).
>
> There was a serious earthquake in that area last December.
>
> --
> -- ^^^^^^^^^^
> -- Whiskers
> -- ~~~~~~~~~~
Could it not been carved out from the rock ground or do you suggest
> The most prominent octagonal feature is a roundabout on the main road past
> the village (Zohān, in South Khorasan). But I expect you mean the fuzzy
> outline visible in the 'satellite' view at 33.421312,59.810528 which seems
> to be about 200 feet across with associated earthworks and with a
> rectangular feature about 50 feet across in the middle. I don't know what
> that is, but the locals don't seem to give it 'high status'. My guess is
> that it's no more than a few hundred years old (or the shadows wouldn't
> have such straight edges, as walls generally crumble unevenly).
>
> There was a serious earthquake in that area last December.
>
> --
> -- ^^^^^^^^^^
> -- Whiskers
> -- ~~~~~~~~~~
the geometrical shapes within the octagon are separate building or
just compact or just stacked and lumped stonework?
What about the outer rim arc is it blocks or boulders, they seem
smooth curved and carsized? I mean afterall it is at least 30 if not
40 meters across a monument of that size is some serious effort
behind. And i really do not see any evidence for walls if not
unexcavated area filled with sand and growel. Of course it could just
be the ground work left and all other stones used for newer
architecture, but it really do not make sense to divide the groundwork
into many smaller polygons. And i mean seriously if every separate
polygon a separate structure or building, well it is not that common
with buildings with triangle shaped corners.
My guess is that the structure had some astronomical purpose, but you
say it probably just a couple of centurys old. That would suggest a
moque i suppose but then i do not get the different compartaments in
the structure, it would certainly not look like any mosque i have
seen.
Whiskers
May 20, 2013, 8:15:23 AM5/20/13
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On 2013-05-20, JT <jonas.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well if it as old as the Babylonian culture,
"Babylonian" covers several thousand years of civilisation, and is usually
associated with "Mesopotamia" - roughly, modern Iraq. The city of Babylon
is close to (or even in or under) Baghdad.
> they may not necessarily
> know its origin and purpose. But if it a couple hundred years someone
> will shorly know what the structure is.
Not necessarily.
[...]
For Iranian history, forget "Babylon" and think "Persia". Equally ancient,
and arguably still alive.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Archaeological_sites_in_Iran>
To see a well-known Persian archaeological site try "Takht-e Soleymān", a
Zoroastrian temple complex and citadel
<https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Takht-e+Soleym%C4%81n,+West+Azarbaijan,+Iran&aq=0&oq=Takht-e+Soleym%C4%81n,+Iran&t=h&ie=UTF8&hq=Takht-e+Soleym%C4%81n,+West+Azarbaijan,+Iran&ll=36.604911,47.234422&spn=0.001473,0.001754&z=19&vpsrc=6&lci=com.panoramio.all&cid=18157822664976497413&iwloc=A>
or <http://preview.alturl.com/gg63i> for short.
> On 20 Maj, 00:43, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well if it as old as the Babylonian culture,
associated with "Mesopotamia" - roughly, modern Iraq. The city of Babylon
is close to (or even in or under) Baghdad.
> they may not necessarily
> know its origin and purpose. But if it a couple hundred years someone
> will shorly know what the structure is.
[...]
For Iranian history, forget "Babylon" and think "Persia". Equally ancient,
and arguably still alive.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Archaeological_sites_in_Iran>
To see a well-known Persian archaeological site try "Takht-e Soleymān", a
Zoroastrian temple complex and citadel
<https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Takht-e+Soleym%C4%81n,+West+Azarbaijan,+Iran&aq=0&oq=Takht-e+Soleym%C4%81n,+Iran&t=h&ie=UTF8&hq=Takht-e+Soleym%C4%81n,+West+Azarbaijan,+Iran&ll=36.604911,47.234422&spn=0.001473,0.001754&z=19&vpsrc=6&lci=com.panoramio.all&cid=18157822664976497413&iwloc=A>
or <http://preview.alturl.com/gg63i> for short.
JT
May 20, 2013, 6:18:10 PM5/20/13
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On May 20, 2:15 pm, Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
> On 2013-05-20, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
persian era is pretty confusing. what priests and religion built and
used the ziggurats, there is ziggurats both in iran and Iraq from
different time periods. So did babylonians build the ziggurats of
neolithic time, and maybe even akkadians so what culture built the
early ziggurats of iran?
What culture built the 3rd millenium BC Sialk Ziggurat?
> On 2013-05-20, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 20 Maj, 00:43, Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Well if it as old as the Babylonian culture,
>
> "Babylonian" covers several thousand years of civilisation, and is usually
> associated with "Mesopotamia" - roughly, modern Iraq. The city of Babylon
> is close to (or even in or under) Baghdad.
>
> > they may not necessarily
> > know its origin and purpose. But if it a couple hundred years someone
> > will shorly know what the structure is.
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> [...]
>
> For Iranian history, forget "Babylon" and think "Persia". Equally ancient,
> and arguably still alive.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Archaeological_sites_in_Iran>
>
> To see a well-known Persian archaeological site try "Takht-e Soleymān", a
> Zoroastrian temple complex and citadel
> <https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Takht-e+...>
> > On 20 Maj, 00:43, Whiskers <catwhee...@operamail.com> wrote:
> >> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> > Well if it as old as the Babylonian culture,
>
> "Babylonian" covers several thousand years of civilisation, and is usually
> associated with "Mesopotamia" - roughly, modern Iraq. The city of Babylon
> is close to (or even in or under) Baghdad.
>
> > they may not necessarily
> > know its origin and purpose. But if it a couple hundred years someone
> > will shorly know what the structure is.
>
> Not necessarily.
>
> [...]
>
> For Iranian history, forget "Babylon" and think "Persia". Equally ancient,
> and arguably still alive.
>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Iran>
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Archaeological_sites_in_Iran>
>
> To see a well-known Persian archaeological site try "Takht-e Soleymān", a
> Zoroastrian temple complex and citadel
> or <http://preview.alturl.com/gg63i> for short.
>
> --
> -- ^^^^^^^^^^
> -- Whiskers
> -- ~~~~~~~~~~
Fast scrolling through and reading about the neolithic babylonian and
>
> --
> -- ^^^^^^^^^^
> -- Whiskers
> -- ~~~~~~~~~~
persian era is pretty confusing. what priests and religion built and
used the ziggurats, there is ziggurats both in iran and Iraq from
different time periods. So did babylonians build the ziggurats of
neolithic time, and maybe even akkadians so what culture built the
early ziggurats of iran?
What culture built the 3rd millenium BC Sialk Ziggurat?
Whiskers
May 20, 2013, 7:05:03 PM5/20/13
to
On 2013-05-20, JT <jonas.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 20 Maj, 00:43, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Could it not been carved out from the rock ground or do you suggest
> the geometrical shapes within the octagon are separate building or
> just compact or just stacked and lumped stonework?
> What about the outer rim arc is it blocks or boulders, they seem
> smooth curved and carsized? I mean afterall it is at least 30 if not
> 40 meters across a monument of that size is some serious effort
> behind. And i really do not see any evidence for walls if not
> unexcavated area filled with sand and growel. Of course it could just
> be the ground work left and all other stones used for newer
> architecture, but it really do not make sense to divide the groundwork
> into many smaller polygons. And i mean seriously if every separate
> polygon a separate structure or building, well it is not that common
> with buildings with triangle shaped corners.
>
> My guess is that the structure had some astronomical purpose, but you
> say it probably just a couple of centurys old. That would suggest a
> moque i suppose but then i do not get the different compartaments in
> the structure, it would certainly not look like any mosque i have
> seen.
there happens to read and reply to this thread, we'll probably never know.
Tiny villages in remote areas don't get many visitors with usenet accounts.
Whiskers
May 20, 2013, 6:59:21 PM5/20/13
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On 2013-05-20, JT <jonas.t...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 2:15 pm, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-20, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 2013-05-20, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On 20 Maj, 00:43, Whiskers <catwh...@operamail.com> wrote:
>> >> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
>> >> On 2013-05-19, JT <jonas.thornv...@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]
> Fast scrolling through and reading about the neolithic babylonian and
> persian era is pretty confusing.
So don't do it.
> persian era is pretty confusing.
> what priests and religion built and
> used the ziggurats, there is ziggurats both in iran and Iraq from
> different time periods. So did babylonians build the ziggurats of
> neolithic time, and maybe even akkadians so what culture built the
> early ziggurats of iran?
>
> What culture built the 3rd millenium BC Sialk Ziggurat?
Tom McDonald
May 20, 2013, 11:24:00 PM5/20/13
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JT
May 23, 2013, 2:47:03 AM5/23/13
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in the region, so one has to ask what is the Hindu influence in the
region coming from is it old or later. I also noticed the name of
region is Keral, that by chance also is a province in India along the
western coastline. I do know that some renegade? historians claim
there can be connections between the early cultures of Sumer and
India, regarding the structure at google, wrong or right i think it
may be from neolithic age and it seem geometrical, and i know there
was in indian and early sumerian culture something called sunboats
used to mark the rising or setting sun within their temples and
astrolabs. I think the outer rim could be a sun boat, it is a bit
weird though because it seem to be facing northwest? And i always
thought the sun was rising in the east and setting in the west. And i
also have a feeling that the rising sun was the more prominent
occation, so northwest seem a bit of, well you could say upside down.
Reminds me of the old jolly english song, is a long way to tip a rary
its a long way to go, it is a long way to tiperary to the sweetest
girl i know.
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