Re: Insights into the Race Issue

[M Winther]

I have since I wrote this discovered that Donald I. Templer discusses
this theory in Mankind Quarterly, 'The Comparison of Mean IQ in Muslim
and Non-Muslim Countries', Mankind Quarterly, Vol. 50, No. 3 (Spring
2010), pp.188-209.
http://www.mankindquarterly.org/spring2010_templer.html

It is becoming more and more evident that a racial consciousness is
reawakening. These findings mustn't be allowed to metamorphose into
vulgar racialism and nationalism, like earlier in history. Only by
allowing such facts in public consciousness, there to be interpreted
correctly, can misinterpretations of vulgar nature be avoided. We
mustn't allow racial insights to be the sole property of disturbed
personalities belonging to fringe political groups, who are bound to
distort and exaggerate the facts. This is evident to people who have
acquired a psychoanalytic consciousness, but is yet to be understood
by the average journalist or debater, who always think that repression
of disagreeable facts is the great panacea for every problem in human
affairs.

M. Winther



"M Winther" <ml...@swipnet.se> skrev i meddelandet news:...
> "Insights into the Race Issue"
>
> Abstract: Genetic research and statistical data have revealed
> pronounced racial and ethnic differences. It is counter-productive
> to
> sweep such facts under the carpet. The racial concept is still
> relevant to the understanding of the human condition. While
> liberal-minded people tend to repress their negative feelings toward
> other ethnicities and refuse to acknowledge racial differences or
> problems, an unconscious 'multicultural complex' develops. The
> extent
> to which people react with indignation when presented with sterile
> facts about race is proportionate to the strength of the unconscious
> complex. There exists no other remedy than to bring facts into
> light,
> facts which include considerable ethnic differences in IQ, and
> upsetting interracial crime statistics. This is a moral burden that
> we
> all must help to carry, including the worriment of the future
> prospect
> of Western culture, in view of an ongoing mass immigration.
>
> Keywords: ethnic IQ, crime statistics, the Other, multicultural
> complex, unconscious racism, eugenics, Arabic reversal, mass
> immigration
>
> Read the full article here:
> http://home7.swipnet.se/~w-73784/raceinsight.htm
>
> M. Winther
>
>
>
>

[M Winther]

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>And suppose you find a small difference in average psychological
>measures between different ethnic groups (tiny compared to the
>variation of these factors within any such group), how is that
>information of practical use? Because of the wide variation *within*
>any group, ethinicity can never be a useful predictor of the
>qualities
>of an individual.

For instance, the average IQ of a country determines its Gross
National Product. Of course, this means that immigration impacts the
future economic course of the country, depending on the origin of the
immigrants.

"Are the Wealthiest Countries the Smartest Countries?"
http://tinyurl.com/6ya94nn

"IQ and the Wealth of Nations"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_and_the_Wealth_of_Nations

Mats

[M Winther]

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> On Monday, 30 April 2012 14:04:25 UTC+1, M Winther wrote:
>>
>> For instance, the average IQ of a country determines its Gross
>> National Product.
>

> I seriously doubt that that's true. What of education? Of
> infrastructure? The competence of governance. Overwhealmingly these
> are controlled by the history of the country, more than factors
> concerning the current population

>
>
>> Of course, this means that immigration impacts the
>> future economic course of the country, depending on the origin of
>> the
>> immigrants.
>>
>

> You assume that migrants will be typical of the source country, and
> this is clearly not credible. The subset of the population of any
> country who have the initiative to become ecconomic migrants are
> going to be anything but representative.
>
> Actually first generation immegrants are usually more inteligent,
> and more enterpreneurial on average than the host population,
> because these are the people most likely to become economic
> migrants.
>
> And that, of course, is what stirs up the racism. Because they are
> inclined to out-compete the host population.
>
> That's why it's the rich who welcome immegration, while racism is
> concentrated in the "working class".
>
>
>
>

It seems like you are only rationalizing your preconceived notions.
Professor Rushton's book discusses the facts behind race. It is today
freely downloadable.
Rushton, J.P. (1999). Race, Evolution, and Behavior:
A Life History Perspective (Abridged Edition).
http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/reb.html

Please read this book, and have a look at the following article, for
instance.
'Low IQs are Africa's curse, says lecturer', The Observer
(Sunday 5 November 2006)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/05/highereducation.research

M. Winther

[Topaz]

The West is the White race.

The goal of America is to destroy the White race. The
multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of
Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or
anyplace but on the Whites. And they promote racial intermarriage.
If things continue as they are the White race is doomed.

And who is doing all of this? It is the USA government and the
media, in other words the Jews.

Many Whites are traitors. They support the USA government and their
own destruction. We should look for allies. And anyone who wants to
remove the Jews from power is our ally. In the past the Japanese were
our allies. Today it is the Muslims.

Osama bin Laden
September 24th statement published in Pakistan

"I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We
are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United
States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic
freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose
first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the
American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced
to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the
punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it
is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the
U.S. is not uttering a single word."



http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://national-socialist-worldview.blogspot.com

[M Winther]

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How can you believe in such weird and exaggerated stuff? It is this
kind
of thinking that I refer to when I say:
"...These findings mustn't be allowed to metamorphose into

[M Winther]

Anyway, Bundesbank's Thilo Sarrazin said that immigration is dumbing
down Germany, with long-term consequences for society, its economical
progress, etc. The problem is that he could be right. It could happen
to us what happened to the Arab civilization, when it lost all its
former vitality, and became an inferior civilization.

M. Winther

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[Saint Sebastian Of The Arrers]

On Apr 30, 12:51 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
> I have since I wrote this discovered that Donald I. Templer discusses
> this theory in Mankind Quarterly, 'The Comparison of Mean IQ in Muslim
> and Non-Muslim Countries', Mankind Quarterly, Vol. 50, No. 3 (Spring
> 2010), pp.188-209.http://www.mankindquarterly.org/spring2010_templer.html

This is a use of the term "insight" that I'm not familiar with.

A word in your shell-like, bro': if you're going to exploit IQ in
some kind of who's-best adventure, bettah check your own ethnic cohort
on a world ranking. Last time I looked, East Easians ruled as regards
IQ.
Still want to follow this route? Perhaps the route you really need is
the Piccadilly Line to Caledonian Road, then the number 91 to Crouch
End.

[M Winther]

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On Apr 30, 12:51 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
>> I have since I wrote this discovered that Donald I. Templer
>> discusses
>> this theory in Mankind Quarterly, 'The Comparison of Mean IQ in
>> Muslim
>> and Non-Muslim Countries', Mankind Quarterly, Vol. 50, No. 3
>> (Spring
>> 2010),
>> pp.188-209.http://www.mankindquarterly.org/spring2010_templer.html


>This is a use of the term "insight" that I'm not familiar with.

Merriam-Webster English Usage:

"When insight is used with a preposition, the choice is usually into:

... uncover useful insights into the social history of Victorian
England "

>A word in your shell-like, bro': if you're going to exploit IQ in
>some kind of who's-best adventure, bettah check your own ethnic
>cohort
>on a world ranking. Last time I looked, East Easians ruled as
>regards
>IQ.
>Still want to follow this route? Perhaps the route you really need
>is
>the Piccadilly Line to Caledonian Road, then the number 91 to Crouch
>End.

I am not a racial supremalist. I just try to relate to scientific
facts and discuss what are the conclusions that we should draw. We
live in a complicated society. Please look at history and see what has
happened, horrible atrocieties, world wars, etc., just because
everybody prefers to remain calm and refuse to see farther than their
nose. We have an obligation to try to sustain this civilization for
future generations.

M. Winther

[M Winther]

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On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 14:58:18 UTC+1, M Winther wrote:
>> Anyway, Bundesbank's Thilo Sarrazin said that immigration is
>> dumbing
>> down Germany, with long-term consequences for society, its
>> economical
>> progress, etc. The problem is that he could be right. It could
>> happen
>> to us what happened to the Arab civilization, when it lost all its
>> former vitality, and became an inferior civilization.
>>

>The huge advances in European civilisation have followed the
>Enlightenment, before which we were pretty much on a par with the
>rest of the world. Our undoubted successes are not a function of
>ethnic
>superiority, but a novel cultural development which includes the
>value
>of egality amongst it's core values.
>
>Yes, we could lose our vitality. We could close ourselves off to new
>influences. We could generate a level of self-satisfaction that
>prevented
>us from learning.
>
>Even in my life time we've advanced in many ways, particularly with
>the "rights revolutions".
>
>The threat is that all that could be lost in a wave of fear and
>Medievalism.

Oh, the Enlightenment! Hallelujah!
The Middle Ages? Booooh!

Facts are that the Middle Ages is the egg from which the Enlightenment
hatched. Medieval times is the Mother of the Enlightenment, not its
antagonist. It is the introverted standpoint of the Middle Ages that
has fostered our *inner locus of control*, which the average Arab and
many other ethnicities still lack today.
http://tinyurl.com/6aqyv4y
Medieval people fostered their souls and mind. They were more
interested in the spirit and less interested in worldly matters. This
has given to us our supreme capacity of focusing our minds, our
self-control, and our capacity to withstand impulses. We are still
very interested in the intellectual, the systematic, the conceptual,
like no other people on earth, especially not Third World people. This
is why we are here discussing intellectual matters, much like the
disputations of medieval scholastics and monks. They gave us this
ability. It was their work on their souls, and their work in
philosophy, theology, science and medicine, that gave rise to the
Enlightenment. It did not drop down on earth from out of the blue.
Enlightenment came about as the fruit of a long development.

Mats Winther

[Andy Wainwright]

Your home of Sweden is ahead of the UK in many areas of civil life - but
it has a higher suicide rate as well. It suggests that there's serious
issues at heart, in just the same way as 3rd world countries have their own.

For example, simply pointing out the repression of women in Arab Muslim
states does nothing to resolve the fact that women are still repressed
in the Western world. It has the opposite effect and a very negative one
- it puts hatred of another culture on the agenda and improvement of our
won off.

There's just as much invention and innovation in the poorer countries as
the rich, and to some extent more in recent times. A problem with the
West at present is that it has become more acceptable to watch film or
TV, or event take a package tour than to be creative, from poetry to
gardening. With everything done for us, there's not the impotus to be as
creative. It's worth noting that is rare for a genuine inventor to make
a lot of money- the cash reward is in marketing.

A particular issue for the West is that a lot of knowledge is passed on
without questioning the genuine validity of such knowledge. A student
might be marked down for giving a better answer to an existing question
than the one deemed right by an examiner who simply learned it as "fact"
elsewhere. In fact kids who ask awkward questions might be deemed as
"disruptive" or "attention seeking". There's a lot of technology and
theory that is suppressed because it is seen as a threat to a status quo
that might provide a lot of people with a good living.

[Andy Wainwright]

Alternatively, expand your knowledge of and interest in psychology by
having a deeper relationship with your fellow human beings, platonic,
family or sexual. Taboos and learned prejudices prevent most humans from
doing this. It's a very simple formula- the closer you get, the broader
the mind.

[Andy Wainwright]

I'm very sorry that those who brought you up abused you.

You don't have to let it ruin your life. You shouldn't try to mess up
other peoples as a result.

I know kids who were abused through racism. I also know kids abused by
paedophiles. There's strikingly little difference.

[Topaz]

On Tue, 1 May 2012 09:17:09 +0200, "M Winther" <ml...@swipnet.se>
wrote:

>
>How can you believe in such weird and exaggerated stuff? It is this
>kind

The USA is ruled by the Jews. That's why it's always involved in the
Middle East.

>of thinking that I refer to when I say:
>"...These findings mustn't be allowed to metamorphose into
>vulgar racialism and nationalism, like earlier in history. Only by
>allowing such facts in public consciousness, there to be interpreted
>correctly, can misinterpretations of vulgar nature be avoided. We
>mustn't allow racial insights to be the sole property of disturbed
>personalities belonging to fringe political groups, who are bound to
>distort and exaggerate the facts. This is evident to people who have
>acquired a psychoanalytic consciousness, but is yet to be understood
>by the average journalist or debater, who always think that repression
>of disagreeable facts is the great panacea for every problem in human
>affairs."

hot air

[Topaz]

Tiptoeing around Our Problems
By Dr. William Pierce

"We've been talking about the very dangerous situation in the Middle
East recently, just because so much is happening there, and
undoubtedly we'll be talking about it much more in the future. For
that reason I want to make very clear what my motives and sympathies
are, lest I lead anyone astray and be thought a hypocrite for doing
so. First, regarding Palestine: although my sympathies definitely lie
with the Palestinians rather than with the Jews, it is not horror at
what the Jews are doing to the Palestinians that motivates me. What
motivates me is horror that my country is being used by the Jews in
their war against the Palestinians. If America were not involved at
all in the Middle East I still would sympathize with the Palestinians
and I would wish that they could be successful in driving the Jews
into the sea and annihilating the abomination that is Israel, but that
conflict between Jews and Palestinians would not be a major concern
for me. At least, my
concern there would be dwarfed by my concern for problems more
directly involving my own people in America and in Europe and in
southern Africa.

Even now, with money and weapons being supplied by America and used to
slaughter Palestinians, my concern is much less with monsters like
Ariel Sharon who are doing the slaughtering than it is with the filthy
creatures among my own people in America who are collaborating with
Jews here to keep the weapons and money flowing to Sharon -- and are
ready to do whatever else the Jews require of them here or abroad.

So when I tell you about Jews in occupied Palestine shooting
Palestinian children, and disapproval and anger are evident in my
voice, what I really am angry about is that the American people, my
people, are being used for this murderous activity. I am angry that
America's whole foreign policy has been perverted to serve Jewish
interests at the expense of American interests. I am angry that
America's political system has been perverted to ensure that we always
have so-called "leaders," whether Democrat or Republican, who are
dependent on the Jewish media or Jewish money or both for their
election and consequently will do the bidding of the Jews. I am angry
that our whole government is riddled with Jews -- Jews in our Defense
Department, Jews in our State
Department, Jews in our Immigration and Naturalization Service, Jews
in our Justice Department, Jews in the President's speech-writing
staff - who really set the policies of our government behind the
scenes, while the politicians are out front in the spotlight making
speeches and kissing babies - and doing as they're told by the Jews
behind the
scenes.

Did you know that it was a Jewish speechwriter, David Frum, who put
the phrase "axis of evil" in George Bush's mouth to justify America's
ongoing war against Israel's enemies? Did you know that a clique of
Jews in the Defense Department and among George Bush's foreign policy
advisers are the people actually running the so-called "war on terror"
in Afghanistan: a war that they intend to expand to Iraq and any other
Middle Eastern country that gets uppity, in order to make that part of
the world safe for Israel at American expense? Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld is a front man for his nominal subordinates, Deputy
Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz and Deputy Undersecretary of
Defense for Policy Douglas Feith; and George Bush's official foreign
policy adviser, Condoleezza Rice, helps him meet his Black quota for
the Cabinet, but it is the Jew Richard Perle, chairman of Bush's
Defense Policy Board, who gives him his foreign policy directives.

As I've said on more than one occasion, George Bush is a feckless
nincompoop who couldn't come up with a defense policy or a foreign
policy on his own if he had to -- which is why he's President. The
real policymakers behind the scenes certainly don't want a man in the
White House who has ideas of his own, because those ideas might
conflict with theirs.

And it is nothing but empty sophistry to make a distinction between
Jews in Israel, such as Ariel Sharon and Simon Peres, and the Jews in
Mr. Bush's administration formulating his policies or the Jews
controlling our mass media. They all are Jews, and that's what really
matters.

There are many knowledgeable Americans besides me who think that it's
not a good thing to have Jews using America to advance Israel's
interests at the expense of America's interests. They know how the
system works: how the Jews exert their control through money and media
and a well-entrenched network of Jewish operatives, such as Wolfowitz
and Feith and Perle. And many of these knowledgeable Americans also
understand how Jewish subterfuge and deceit work: they understand that
the Jews throw up a lot of smoke to conceal their control and make it
appear that they have much less influence than they actually do.

Despite this degree of understanding that many knowledgeable Americans
have, there seem to be very few who are willing or able to draw the
necessary conclusions. What I keep seeing are comments about the need
to get the so-called "peace process" going again in the Middle East,
and how there are hardline supporters of Israel who are obstructing
the "peace process" because they think that it will give too much to
the Palestinians or will compromise Israel's security, or whatever.
These knowledgeable Americans seem to believe that if we could just
get around the Jewish hardliners somehow -- if we could just
neutralize Jews such as Wolfowitz and Feith and Perle; if Ariel Sharon
could be replaced by a "moderate" Jewish prime minister -- then the
"peace process" could proceed, America could gradually reduce its
involvement in helping the Jews keep the Palestinians repressed, and
eventually Israel no longer would be using America, and everything
would be rosy. And so these knowledgeable Americans expend all of
their wit and energy in these trivial pursuits.

Listen! Do you know what the most hopeful aspect of the conflict
between Jews and Palestinians is now? It is the ongoing radicalization
of the Muslim masses throughout the whole Middle East. The
collaborator governments in Pakistan, in Egypt, in Saudi Arabia are
terrified of the reaction they see among their own people to what
Ariel Sharon is doing to the Palestinians. When Sharon's Jewish troops
shoot Palestinian children, Muslim mobs riot, and governments that now
collaborate with the United States quake. Ariel Sharon is the best
thing that has happened in the Middle East in the last 54 years.

The Palestinian tactic of suicide bombing is being denounced by every
politician and every media spokesman over here now. It's nothing but
terrorism, they all say. There's no justification at all for suicide
bombing, they tell us. Of course, whenever you hear that sort of
unanimity from the politicians and the media people you should be
suspicious. In fact, suicide bombing is the best tactic for the
Palestinians to use now, because it provokes the Jews to step up
reprisals. And the reprisals radicalize the masses in every country in
the Middle East. If just one of the collaborator governments falls,
the spines of all the rest will be stiffened, and the Bush government
will be far less likely to find collaborators for building its
so-called "coalition" to do the will of the Jews in the Middle East.

Suicide bombers now hardly put a dent in the population of five
million Jews in occupied Palestine, and Sharon's bloody reprisals
hardly put a dent in the overall Palestinian population. But if
conflict of this sort continues until just one collaborator government
is overthrown, that ultimately will be worth more than ten thousand
successful suicide
bombings in which only 20 or so Jews are killed each time. In the long
run there can be no real peace in the Middle East and no end to
America's shameful role there -- and no future for the Palestinian
people -- as long as there is an Israel. There seems to be a better
understanding of these things among knowledgeable Palestinians than
among knowledgeable Americans.

Shallow thinking and the pursuit of trivial goals is even worse among
knowledgeable Americans when it comes to domestic problems. They
really do not want to grasp these problems with both hands and deal
with them in a forthright way. Look, for example, at what uncontrolled
immigration has done and is doing to America. And what do
knowledgeable Americans propose to do about that? Very little, really.
They make much of the fact that several of the al-Qaeda hijackers who
carried out the September 11 attack were in the United States only
because of very lax immigration policies, and so that's a good reason
for tightening up the policies.

How about simply rounding up all illegal aliens immediately -- all 12
million of them -- and booting them and all of their offspring out of
the country without further ado?

Oh, no, no, no! We can't do that! Why not? Well, the media never would
stand for it. The media would be all over anyone who even proposed a
mass expulsion of illegal aliens. They would denounce any political
leader who tried to do that as a "racist" and a "neo-Nazi." And so
knowledgeable Americans, who understand the immigration disaster quite
well, continue tiptoeing around it, afraid to do or even say anything
really significant about it: terrified even to think about really
radical solutions that might actually end the problem. And it's the
same with the rest of our domestic problems. Lots of people understand
these problems and are worried about them, but they won't tackle them
in any
significant way. They let the Jews -- the Jewish media and Jewish
money and the entrenched Jewish network -- have their way, for all
practical purposes.

Why? Why are the Jews permitted to get away with all of their
destructive policies and activities without being challenged or
opposed in any significant way? Part of the reason is that the Jews
are very powerful, and therefore many people are afraid to cross them.
They're afraid of the sort of media reaction I just mentioned in
connection with immigration. Everyone understands that the Jews stick
together and will viciously attack anyone who opposes them. It's the
old story, so aptly expressed by the late-16th-century writer, Sir
John Harington. Harington wrote: "Treason doth never prosper: what's
the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." Today the
Jewish power structure is
prospering, and none dare oppose it or even call it what it is. Well,
that's only part of the reason Jews are permitted to get away with so
much. There's more to it than that. There's a mystique the Jews have
built very carefully around themselves and nurtured diligently. It is
a mystique of piety and injured innocence. It is a mystique that says
to the Gentile world: "We are a gentle and inoffensive race, and
because of this everyone hates us. We're smart and we work hard and
achieve success, and because of this everyone hates us. We are a
highly moral and ethical race, and because of this everyone hates us.
We are a very talented race, with many gifted members, many geniuses,
and because of this everyone hates us. We are a very altruistic race,
a race of philanthropists who only want to make a better world for
everyone, and because of this everyone hates us."

Many simpletons among the lemmings simply accept these claims at face
value. Many knowledgeable people, however, who can see through these
claims to the real Jews hiding behind them, still hesitate to
challenge them. Part of the Jewish mystique is the so-called
"Holocaust." In its most simpleminded form the "Holocaust" story is
the claim that the
Germans hated the Jews for the reasons I just mentioned -- for their
gentleness and their success and their morality and their talent and
their altruism -- and because of this hatred roasted six million of
them during the Second World War in "gas ovens," to use one of the
Jews' favorite "Holocaust" phrases.

Actually, the "Holocaust" is a very powerful part of the Jewish
mystique. The Jews crafted the "Holocaust" story with great care and
great effort -- well, actually not with as much care as they might
have used: it's as full of holes as a Swiss cheese, but still it is
sufficient to make most people, even those who understand what Jews
are really like, hesitate to attack them. People don't want to be seen
as bullies. They don't want to be seen as so insensitive that they
would criticize the Jews, who already have suffered so much, poor
dears, at the hands of anti-Semites.

In several past broadcasts we've looked at a number of the lies and
exaggerations and distortions that make up the "Holocaust" story.
There are a number of good books available on the subject from the
sponsor of this broadcast, National Vanguard Books, including Norman
Finklestein's excellent book The Holocaust Industry, which I discussed
in an earlier broadcast. The point is that despite the lies, despite
the fact that many knowledgeable Americans are aware of the lies, the
"Holocaust" still serves its purpose for the Jews. People are afraid
of the image conjured up by the "Holocaust."

Perhaps it's that American life is too soft... Whatever the reason,
many otherwise knowledgeable and hardheaded Americans just can't
entertain the idea of rounding up the Jews and getting rid of them,
even when the situation is as urgent as it is in America today. And
really, in the long run that is the only way to solve the Jewish
problem.

The Germans understood that, back in the 1930s, and they had the
courage and the foresight to act on their understanding. Unlike
Americans today, they had an honest government concerned above all
with the survival, welfare, and progress of the German people, and
they began doing what was necessary, forcing the Jews to emigrate
wholesale from Germany beginning in 1933. And because of that the
Jewish propaganda machine has attacked the Germans so viciously, has
so blackened and demonized their image, that today even knowledgeable
people are afraid to be associated with that image. They are afraid to
say that the Germans were right, that the Germans were justified, and
that we need to do the same if we are to survive. So, as I said, the
"Holocaust" story, despite its
glaring discrepancies and lies, still serves as a shield for the Jews;
it still protects them from criticism.

Well, mostly. In parts of Europe not quite as poisoned by Jewish
propaganda as America is, the shield has slipped a bit. A large
British department store chain, Selfridges, has yielded to demands
from anti-Israel demonstrators and has removed from its shelves
products marked "Made in Israel." Last week the second largest
supermarket chain in Norway, Coop Norge -- which is to say, Norway
Coop, announced its decision to boycott all Israeli imports. That
decision was not the result of pressure from anti-Israel demonstrators
but was based on the feeling by Coop Norge management that it would be
immoral to continue supporting the Israeli economy by selling Israeli
imports under the
present circumstances. That is a step forward, though it is a long way
from what is needed.

The Jews, of course, immediately began waving their "Holocaust" story
around, and now, as the boycott movement catches hold in Scandinavia,
they are trying to portray themselves as injured innocents being
attacked once more by "anti-Semites." They are comparing the growing
Scandinavian boycott of Israeli products to the German boycott of
Jewish merchants in the late 1930s. Certainly, a boycott of Israeli
products is a good thing, and the fact that such a boycott is even
thinkable by big businessmen today is a sign that the Jewish mystique
-- and in particular the Jewish "Holocaust" story -- is becoming a bit
shopworn. It no longer has the hypnotic power that it once had -- at
least, in some parts of the world. And I suppose that we should be
happy about that. The unfortunate fact remains, however, that in
America the Jews still have their money and
their media and their entrenched network of bureaucrats, and even if
the "Holocaust" story has lost some of its charm in Europe, it still
keeps most knowledgeable Americans intimidated.

Knowledge isn't enough. Courage and boldness also are necessary.
Honesty and forthrightness are necessary also. Tiptoeing around the
critical issues of our time isn't enough. Tiny reforms in our
disastrous foreign policy and in our disastrous immigration policy and
in a dozen other disastrous policies aren't enough. We need to stop
apologizing to the people who are destroying us and go full bore at
destroying them instead.

Instead of being hypnotized by the "Holocaust" story we need to look
with clear eyes at why there was a need for action against the Jews in
Germany in the 1930s and 1940s. The Jews' claim today that the Germans
were suffering from collective insanity and had no reason for trying
to get the Jews off their backs is as phony as George Bush's claim
that
Osama bin Laden had no reason for attacking America on September 11.

Wherever Jews go they corrupt and destroy. That is their nature,
always and everywhere. Let us be thankful to the Palestinians who now
are making such terrible sacrifices to help the world see what the
Jews are like. And I suppose we also should be thankful to Ariel
Sharon for demonstrating so forthrightly to the world what Jews are
like.

Let us hope that the conflict between Jews and Palestinians
intensifies and lasts long enough to wake up many more of our people
around the world and fill them with disgust at America's continuing
support for the Jews. Let us hope that it lasts long enough to bring
about the overthrow of every collaborationist regime in the Muslim
world. Let us hope that it brings about an airtight oil embargo
against the United States and shuts off the lights in every shopping
mall and every sports stadium in America long enough for the lemmings
to become restless and begin asking questions. Let us hope that it
makes the efforts of every fool and every traitor who is striving for
a resumption of the so-called "peace process" so obviously futile that
these efforts no longer have the power to deceive anyone.

Ultimately, of course, we must not depend on the Palestinian suicide
bombers or on Ariel Sharon's murder squads to do for us what we should
be doing for ourselves. Ultimately we must stop tiptoeing and begin
marching boldly and forthrightly toward solving our own problems."

[M Winther]

"Andy Wainwright" <andrewricha...@hotmail.co.uk> skrev i
meddelandet news:jnpmcd$831$1...@dont-email.me...

You must be a junior level schoolteacher, or something.

Mats

[Tom McDonald]

On 5/1/2012 9:22 PM, Topaz wrote:

It's unfortunate for you that Pierce didn't have the honor of dying like
his Fuehrer.

Perhaps you'll be lucky.

<snip insane, inane racist bullshit>

[saracene]

On May 2, 3:22 am, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Tiptoeing around Our Problems
> By Dr. William Pierce
>

That article is now exactly 10 years old.

[M Winther]

<malcol...@googlemail.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:8242248.2755.1335945400804.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbbfk16...

> On Tuesday, 1 May 2012 18:33:59 UTC+1, M Winther wrote:
>> <malcol...@googlemail.com> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:17368968.1424.1335881477744.JavaMail.geo-discussion-forums@vbay5...
>>

>> Facts are that the Middle Ages is the egg from which the
>> Enlightenment
>> hatched.
>

> Yes, the Medieval period certainly saw some progress, so did the
> Islamic World at about the same time. Arab culture was at least the
> equal of ours. Chinese well ahead of both.
>
> Yet both were still wedded to, for example, the primacy of scripture
> over reality. Ideology above reason.
>
>

I suppose you mean "theology, philosophy, and religion" above reason?
Obviously you see a contradiction between these three and "reality".
This belief of yours is called "scientism" according to which the
modern scientific method can disclose the truth in all matters,
including matters pertaining to the soul, such as spiritual meaning.
Scientism is an ideology, but I wouldn't call the medieval frame of
mind "ideological". This is a sickness of the modern time.

Mats Winther

[Michael Ejercito]

On May 1, 7:19 pm, Topaz <mars1...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 1 May 2012 09:17:09 +0200, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se>

> wrote:
>
>
>
> >How can you believe in such weird and exaggerated stuff? It is this
> >kind
>
> The USA is ruled by the Jews. That's why it's always involved in the
> Middle East.

Sweden is not ruled by the Jews, and yet it is having problems with
the sand Nazis.

http://majorityrights.com/weblog/comments/muslim_rape_wave_in_sweden/


Michael

[Topaz]

http://www.vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=52045

Every now and then we get some really interesting evidence from
readers of this web site. This was just emailed to us from a reader
originally from Sweden. We hope the enlightened in other nations will
find their way to us and research their own country's media apparatus,
and who controls it.

This paradigm of Jewish dominance of mass media information sources is
evidenced throughout the world, from the U.S. to Great Britain, from
Brazil to Australia, from Poland to Peru.

Dear Sir,

First of all I would like to laud you for an exhaustive and
well-prepared site. You have certainly gone through the Jewish
question thoroughly before compiling your observations and analysis.
Reading your This week's Jewish News as usual today there was one
piece of news that made my face wreathed in smiles. The piece of news
concerned how the Jewish community of Lithuania accused LNK television
for anti-Semitism.

Well, the far too familiar irony is that the LNK, as stated in the
article is owned by the Bonnier family, based in my country of origin,
Sweden. Worth mentioning then is that the Bonniers are Jewish
themselves. Bonnier is a taken name; originally the family was named
Hirschel. Not only is the Bonnier family Jewish and not only do they
own LNK, but they are the far most influential media group in Sweden
and in Finland.

Of the seven largest daily newspapers in Sweden, the seven with a
daily circulation of over 100,000, the Bonnier family owns four,
Dagens Nyheter (the Daily News), Expressen (the Express), Sydsvenska
Dagbladet (the Southern Swedish Daily News) and Dagens Industri (the
Industry of Today). The largest of the private channels in Sweden is
TV4. The Bonnier family directly holds 21,6% of TV4 and through their
ownership of the Finnish based Alma media company they hold an
additionally 23,4%, totalling up 45% and a virtual control. As head of
TV4 we find the Jew Jan Scherman. Through Alma Media, Bonnier also
controls MTV3, the most popular channel in Finland with 39,1% of the
total viewing time (in 2001) and Subtv, the third largest commercial
television channel in Finland, aiming mainly at young adults.

Apropos Finland, Bonnier also owns 23% of MTV in that country. In
Finland, Bonnier also controls the leading daily Iltalehti and
Kauppalehti, Finland's largest business media with a circulation of
85.000 per day. Bonnier also control the printing house Lehdentekijät,
that produces 40 regularly published magazines in Finland. In addition
to that they own five regional papers, 15 local papers and nine
free-distribution papers in Finland alone. They further control the
Baltic News Service, the leading news bureau in the Baltic region,
providing the world with news about the Baltic with a Bonnier touch.

Beside the Bonnier family in Sweden there is the Jew Peter Hjörne
(Kaplan), owner and chief editor of Göteborgs-Posten (the Gothenburg
Post; GP), the fourth largest newspaper in Sweden with a circulation
of 253,700, reaching 600,000 readers daily. GP is furthermore the only
newspaper in Sweden's second city, Gothenburg. Hjörne is also the
owner of two local newspapers, Bohuslänningen (32.400) and Strömstads
tidning (5,200); both distributed in the Swedish north-west coast
area. In addition he controls 22% of Liberala tidningars konsortium
(the consortium of liberal newspapers) and thereby Nerike Allehanda
(The eighth largest newspaper in Sweden with a circulation of 66,300),
Motala tidning/Vadstena tidning (12,800), Bergslagsposten (10,600) and
Nya Ludvika tidning (9,500). Finally he also holds 9% of
Hallandsposten (31,000).

Hjörne is a part of the old Jewish establishment in Gothenburg and has
his way to influence the Gentiles of that city. For instance, when the
Jew Steven Spielberg¹s movie Schindler¹s List reached the screens
Hjörne personally paid so all senior high school students would see
it. The Bonnier family owns 30% and Hjörne owns 10% of The Swedish
News-agency Tidningarnas Telegrambyrå (the Swedish Central News
Agency), the mainly news source for the none-local news stories in
most minor papers in Sweden.

The largest newspaper in Sweden is Aftonbladet (the Evening Post),
jointly owned by the Swedish Labour Union and the Norwegian Schibstedt
company. The chief editor, however, is the Jewess Helle Klein, great
granddaughter of the former grand rabbi of Stockholm, Rabbi Gottlieb
Klein. Her father, Ernst Klein, is influential in Swedish media as
well. 1990-1999 he was the chief editor of Östgöta Correspondenten,
the ninth largest newspaper in Sweden, and now he sits on its board.
He furthermore is president of Svensk Presshistorisk Förening (Swedish
association of press history).

Beside Klein there are several Jewish staffers working at Aftonbladet.

In other words, of the seven largest news papers in Sweden, six are
either owned by or edited by Jews. And please note, there are fewer
than 20,000 Jews in Sweden making up roughly 0.2% of the total
population. Actually, I could go on and on describing the Jewish media
influence in Sweden but I guess you see where I am heading. That LNK
or Bonnier would be anti-Semitic is about the most ridiculous I have
heard. Keep up the good work!

Regards, M


... [T]here is a Jew named Robert Aschberg in Sweden who wields a
great lot of power in our media. He owns the largest production
company in Sweden called Strix Television and produces programs for
every major channel, especially TV3 where almost all programs that
aren't Hollywood produced sitcoms, talk shows (Ricky Lake and Jerry
Springer) or bad movies comes from Strix. It was Strix by the way that
first came up with the idea of the show Survivor, now broadcasted also
in the USA. Aschberg himself is the head of several of these usually
noisy and chaotic shows and has thus been called Sweden's Michel
Friedman. His maternal grandfather is the banker Olof Aschberg who
helped finance the Russian revolution and his brother, Richard
Aschberg, works at Aftonbladet (the Evening Post). Robert Aschberg is
further an important financer of eXpo, a Swedish version of the ADL,
while it however is not an exclusively Jewish organization.

[M Winther]

"Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet

news:1tk3q715erps6i6iv...@4ax.com...

The Bonnier family, although formally Jewish, aren't very Jewish
genetically. Most of the family, perhaps, less than 25%(?). This
raises the question of successful Jews in America. I suspect they are
less than 25% Jewish, too. It would be very interesting to read some
research on the level of Jewishness in American Jewish upper classes.
If you are born with a formally Jewish mother, then you can call
yourself Jewish. This is the reason why the Jewish bloodline can, with
time, be thinned down. To belong to the Jewish community brings many
advantages, so people tend to call themselves Jews, even if they
aren't particularly Jewish genetically.

So this questions this whole anti-Semitic agenda. If the upper class
Jews in USA and Europe are mostly of Germanic, Celtic, or Slavonic,
genetic origin, then we can conclude that the "culprits" in fact
belong to the glorious white race.

One example is Robert Aschberg, mentioned above. His grandfather was a
wealthy Jewish banker. This means that Ascberg is *not* Jewish (he had
not a Jewish mother) and he is genetically only 25% Jewish. Ascberg
grew up in a secular home. So there are no grounds for calling him
Jewish.

So the "Jews" who are "threatening Western civilization", are they in
fact Jews?

M. Winther

[M Winther]

"Topaz" <mars...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandet

news:1tk3q715erps6i6iv...@4ax.com...

According to Freedom House, Sweden, together with Norway and Finland,
has the freest press in the world.
http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/freedom-press-2012
This puts things into perspective. The allegedly "Jewish controlled
media" in Sweden is the freest in the world.

Mats

[saracene]

On May 3, 7:47 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
> "Topaz" <mars1...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandetnews:1tk3q715erps6i6iv...@4ax.com...

> has the freest press in the world.http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/freedom-press-2012

> This puts things into perspective. The allegedly "Jewish controlled
> media" in Sweden is the freest in the world.
>
> Mats

If that is so it's remarkable that Sweden should be such an
oppressive and conformist society.

[saracene]

On May 3, 5:46 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:
> "Topaz" <mars1...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandetnews:1tk3q715erps6i6iv...@4ax.com...

It's not a question of genetics, It all comes down to a question of
loyalties. Jews at the present day are accused of a number of
pernicious agendas. Support of Israel, which distorts foreign policy.
Promotion of multi racialism to created a society where Jews can feel
safer. Support of political correctness, for the same reason.
Censorship of criticism of Jews, to assist Jewish power.

[saracene]

Some people don't think prohibiting "hate speech" is a restriction of
freedom.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech#Sweden

Sweden prohibits hate speech, and defines it as publicly making
statements that threaten or express disrespect for an ethnic group or
similar group regarding their race, skin colour, national or ethnic
origin, faith or sexual orientation.[38][39] The crime doesn't
prohibit a pertinent and responsible debate (en saklig och vederhäftig
diskussion), nor statements made in a completely private sphere.[40].
There are constiutional restrictions pertaining to which acts are
criminalized, as well limits set by the European Convention on Human
Rights.[41].

The sexual orientation provision, added in 2002,[42] was used to
convict Pentecostalist pastor Åke Green of hate speech based on a 2003
sermon. His conviction was later overturned.[43][41]

[Steve Hayes]

On Wed, 02 May 2012 19:39:57 -0500, Topaz <mars...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Every now and then we get some really interesting evidence from
>readers of this web site. This was just emailed to us from a reader
>originally from Sweden. We hope the enlightened in other nations will
>find their way to us and research their own country's media apparatus,
>and who controls it.

This is not a web site, it is a newsgroup.


--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

[saracene]

On May 3, 7:47 am, "M Winther" <m...@swipnet.se> wrote:

> "Topaz" <mars1...@hotmail.com> skrev i meddelandetnews:1tk3q715erps6i6iv...@4ax.com...

> has the freest press in the world.http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/freedom-press-2012

> This puts things into perspective. The allegedly "Jewish controlled
> media" in Sweden is the freest in the world.
>

More proof that journalists' understanding of a free press is an
overrated ideal

http://tinyurl.com/d2e4fz4

Such as it is, however, the press has become the greatest power within
Western countries, exceeding that of the legislature, the executive,
and the judiciary. Yet one would like to ask: According to what law
has it been elected and to whom is it responsible? In the Communist
East, a journalist is frankly appointed as a state official. But who
has voted Western journalists into their positions of power, for how
long a time, and with what prerogatives?

There is yet another surprise for someone coming from the totalitarian
East with its rigorously unified press: One discovers a common trend
of preferences within the Western press as a whole (the spirit of the
time), generally accepted patterns of judgment, and maybe common
corporate interests, the sum effect being not competition but
unification. Unrestrained freedom exists for the press, but not for
readership, because newspapers mostly transmit in a forceful and
emphatic way those opinions which do not too openly contradict their
own and that general trend.

A Fashion in Thinking

Without any censorship in the West, fashionable trends of thought and
ideas are fastidiously separated from those that are not fashionable,
and the latter, without ever being forbidden have little chance of
finding their way into periodicals or books or being heard in
colleges. Your scholars are free in the legal sense, but they are
hemmed in by the idols of the prevailing fad. There is no open
violence, as in the East; however, a selection dictated by fashion and
the need to accommodate mass standards frequently prevents the most
independent-minded persons from contributing to public life and gives
rise to dangerous herd instincts that block dangerous herd development.

[Topaz]

On Thu, 3 May 2012 06:46:20 +0200, "M Winther" <ml...@swipnet.se>
wrote:


>

>The Bonnier family, although formally Jewish, aren't very Jewish
>genetically. Most of the family, perhaps, less than 25%(?). This
>raises the question of successful Jews in America. I suspect they are
>less than 25% Jewish, too. It would be very interesting to read some
>research on the level of Jewishness in American Jewish upper classes.
>If you are born with a formally Jewish mother, then you can call
>yourself Jewish. This is the reason why the Jewish bloodline can, with
>time, be thinned down. To belong to the Jewish community brings many
>advantages, so people tend to call themselves Jews, even if they
>aren't particularly Jewish genetically.
>
>So this questions this whole anti-Semitic agenda. If the upper class
>Jews in USA and Europe are mostly of Germanic, Celtic, or Slavonic,
>genetic origin, then we can conclude that the "culprits" in fact
>belong to the glorious white race.
>
>One example is Robert Aschberg, mentioned above. His grandfather was a
>wealthy Jewish banker. This means that Ascberg is *not* Jewish (he had
>not a Jewish mother) and he is genetically only 25% Jewish. Ascberg
>grew up in a secular home. So there are no grounds for calling him
>Jewish.
>
>So the "Jews" who are "threatening Western civilization", are they in
>fact Jews?
>

It's obvious what side they are on. Clearly being "anti-semite" should
include being anti-them.

[Topaz]

On Thu, 3 May 2012 08:47:03 +0200, "M Winther" <ml...@swipnet.se>
wrote:

>According to Freedom House, Sweden, together with Norway and Finland,
>has the freest press in the world.
>http://www.freedomhouse.org/report/freedom-press/freedom-press-2012
>This puts things into perspective. The allegedly "Jewish controlled
>media" in Sweden is the freest in the world.
>
>Mats

Jewish Media Influence in Scandinavia

Bonnier (The Bonnier Group)

The TV Station LNK, is owned by the Jewish Bonnier family, based in
Sweden.

Bonnier is a taken name; originally the family was named Hirschel.

Not only is the Bonnier family Jewish and not only do they own LNK,

but they are the by far most influential media group in Sweden and in
Finland. They are very influential in Denmark as well. They are also
involved in the Baltic countries (LNK in Lithuania) the UK, Germany,
Poland and other countries.

Of the seven largest daily newspapers in Sweden, the seven with a
daily circulation of over 100,000, the Bonnier family owns four,
Dagens Nyheter (the Daily News), Expressen (the Express), Sydsvenska
Dagbladet (the Southern Swedish Daily News) and Dagens Industri (the
Industry of Today).

The largest of the private TV channels in Sweden is TV4.

The Bonnier family directly holds 21,6% of TV4 and through their
ownership of the Finnish based Alma media company they hold an

additional 23,4%, totalling 45% which amounts to a virtual control.

As head of TV4 we find Jan Scherman (Jewish). Jan Scherman's daughter
Clara Scherman is chief buyer for TV4. A man with an (Jewish?)
Hungarian name Hans Isoz heads TV4 Vision.

Through Alma Media, Bonnier also controls MTV3, the most popular
channel in Finland with 39,1% of the total viewing time (in 2001) and
Subtv, the third largest commercial television channel in Finland,
aiming mainly at young adults.

Bonnier also employs the Jews Sven Irving (now TV4 News), Artur
Ringart (TV4) and Peter Sommerstein (Sydsvenska Dagbladet).

In Finland, Bonnier owns 23% of MTV in that country. In Finland,
Bonnier controls the leading daily Iltalehti and Kauppalehti,

Finland's largest business media with a circulation of 85.000 per day.

Bonnier controls the printing house Lehdentekij=E4t, that produces 40

regularly published magazines in Finland. In addition to that they own
five regional papers, 15 local papers and nine free-distribution
papers in Finland alone. They further control the Baltic News Service,
the leading news bureau in the Baltic region, providing the world with
news about the Baltic with a Bonnier touch.

Much more about Jewish media power throughout Scandanavia at
http://mosaisk.com/Torben-Lund/Bonnier-Hjorne-Klein-Jewish-Media-Scandinavi=
a.php