31 January 2006
                                                          (Version 2
                                                      on 8 July 2006)
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A majority of the posters at 'alt.religion.scientology' would happily
 kill Christ,
      or - the modern, "more scientific" equivalent of that - to
      have Christ permanently drugged to incapacity (yes, according
      to some, even electro-shocked as well) by some licensed medical
      doctors who have taken the 'Hypocritic' oath.  *(1)
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And the remainder of the posters and readers of the newsgroup
 'alt.religion.scientology' etc., would stand by and do nothing, and
 look DAZED, like dogs would,
      because for them "it does not change anything that they can
      feel or reason about as affecting them." *(2)(3)
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Having recently acquired
      - after some ten years of trying to bring together (to combine,
        to integrate, to reconcile) the conflicting and absolutely
        mind-boggling behavior of the "normal" posters at
        'alt.religion.scientology' - I have recently acquired
 the unpleasant but regrettably rather applicable viewpoint, that the
 posters at 'alt.religion.scientology' etc., do act and do react like
 "dogs" (either as "healthy dogs" or as "mad dogs," but nevertheless,
 as "dogs"),
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 I then happened to read, a day or so ago (in Jan 2006), what these
 creatures wrote "about me" when they were not restrained by any truth
 or reason coming from others at them
      but when they were - without that they ever noticed it -
      deliberately given and encouraged to accept the most vicious
      lies about me,
      given to them to "comment on" - to comment from their own mind
      on these planted lies which, admittedly, they very much desired
      to be fed,
            being giving the much wanted opportunity "to be able to
            look down on me," and by that, to "elevate themselves"
                 (in the eyes of God-knows-whom, but certainly in
                  their own mind or feelings).
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And what they then wrote "about me," is like their writing straight
 from their having a life-time commitment to and also being in an
 insane asylum
      - which they are not in of course (except for some, who are so,
        on and off, they are 'irregular posters') - but
they undeniably are writing straight from their mind...
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      Of course their mind IS like the inside of a 'bedlam,' a place
      for the very insane,
            and you might say, 'mitigating-ly' or simply with some
            understanding of their plight and their motivations, that
            their mind has been mutilated in their past lives,
                  supposing you are not that destructively insane,
                  that you deny the history and memory of your own
                  self and that of others,
                  then you would find out, that their mind (their
                  soul, that is) has been 'murdered,' 'absorbed,'
                  'vampired on,' altered, mutilated
by 'you know who' - into having such thoughts and feelings
                  and even, at times *(4) into feeling themselves as
                  pigs might be considered to feel, metaphorically
                  speaking by and large,
            mutilated into feeling compelled to behave and to think
            that insanely and that ugly as 'you know who' ACTUALLY is,
            and mutilated into thinking, that
                 "others are feeling that insanely and that ugly too,"
                  as they themselves do - which is however not the
                  case at all.
                  Though - as a remark to the side, to those familiar
                  with the anti- ex- and pro-'Scientologists' -
                  one would certainly be inclined to see them as being
                  hypnotized
                       (indeed hypnotized by 'you know who' - because
                        they, these anti-'s, ex-'s and pro-'s, DO
                        invariably say or feel and thus act according
                        to how 'you know who' wants them to think and
                        feel ABOUT ME, and about themselves,
                        entirely as hypnotized persons would fit the
                        hypnotic compulsions,
                              the Energies projected by 'you know
                              who;' and as all hypnotized persons do,
                              they adapt the compulsions,
                        building onto their OWN ideas about life and
                        about people,
                        and thus you can understand "their thoughts
                        and feelings" about me,
                              which get a flavor of their own "logic,"
                              what lies about me they would be willing
                              or desirous to accept, and to propagate
                              as "true,"
                        and they do obey the compulsions - the Energy
                        projected at them:
                        They refuse to face the source of their
                        compulsion which is 'you know who' commanding
                        them NOT to look at people, but to lie, and he
                        is compelling them
to think and feel all kind of strange things,
                        and NOT to feel who is who and what is what,
                        but having hypnotized them)
                  into acting like chickens inside a chicken coop,
                  because that is all too obvious about them.
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The mention of animals, is metaphoric, you will understand, and stands
 for much more horrible things,
      that they think about themselves and that they think about
      others, about anyone, about you too, even when they do say
      the opposite,
            others whom they would like to consider to "be like them
            too" (most of them like to think, that others are ALSO
            hateful and malicious and a danger to the society, as they
            themselves are indeed)
            and 'being potential murderers' certainly applies to quite
            many of them, in that respect,
                        already obvious from the way they like to
                        represent, to talk about, the most decent and
                        the most caring and loving,
                  and thus they are also trying to accuse other people
                  ('Scientologists' in this case) of that, of being
                  "murderers"
                        - of being like they themselves have been in
                          their "non-existent" lives past, without
                          doubt:
                              They like to see and treat everybody as
                              if others are being just like they
                              themselves are.
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                  They do not change much, in that respect, from life
                  time to life time,
                        once their soul has been destroyed, mutilated
                        permanently, by 'you know who,'
by whom they claim also to be "non-existent,"
                              they want him seen as "not-active" now,
                              as "dead,"
                        though he radiates and carries out more malice
                        and more destruction, day and night, than you
                        care to even imagine...
                              But as they, the Criminals, are doing
                              that THEMSELVES ALSO, they want it seen
                              "scientifically" or "'Randi'-fically" as
                              "non-existent."
                                    "Bullets do not exist" so "nobody
                                     can have been shooting someone,
                                     the person just dropped dead by
                                     himself."
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                              Such is the nature of truly evil
                              individuals, as you can feel for
                              yourself, and as you basically know,
                              should you have the strength and
                              courage and love to remember.
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                  Then some are that destructive of awareness of what
                  exists, that they are proudly showing their
                  "normality" by claiming that the Earth is flat,
                        excuse me, I mean, it is twentieth century and
                        a bit, now, so now they claim,
                  that Earth is the only place amongst millions of
                  galaxies, that contains life.
                        Yet they demand of others to see them as
                        "normal," as "rational," as "scientific."
                              How insane have they been made?
                              Very... very highly insane.
                              How insane do they WANT to be made?
                              Very... very highly insane.
                              How insane do they DESIRE TO REMAIN?
                              Very... very highly insane.
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Not surprisingly, I happened to see - at the same time as I did read
 the intelligently malicious "oinks and barks" of the majority - I did
 not fail to see, what the remainder of those posting individuals did.
 So, at the same time as I did read the intelligently malicious "oinks"
 and "barks" and "growls" from them - I did not fail to see,
      it did not escape my mind's eye, of course, what the "kind
      posters," however "kind" they are, nevertheless DID fail and do
      fail and continue to FAIL to write,
meaning, what they did NOT and CONTINUE not to write about me,
      but what any normal person would have written and would write
      and will write about me.
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Extrapolating then (applying the data understood, to different times
 and places) I confirmed, what I - and you also - already knew, and
 that is, that (like the "normal" sociopaths that they are)
 they are generally bent on destroying understanding and love and
 beauty,
      they are bent on destroying anyone's ability to love and to be
      alive
            and on destroying the ability to perceptive - to be
            able correctly to tell - the bad or good nature of others,
                  an ability to tell good from evil, which is most
                  vital... to being able to enjoy life and to be and
                  to remain happy, of course.
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What applies also to both sides, to the 'critics' of 'Scientology' AND
 to the (open or under-cover) advocates of 'you know who,' of
 l. ron hubbard, and of his spiritual Marxism called 'Scientology:'
      NONE of the anti-'s, ex-'s and pro-Scientology people do face
      l. ron hubbard at all,
            who is of a level of malice that they care not to know
            about at all, because they are much, much, much too
            cowardly for that.
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So you have two types of murderers or potential murderers:
                  1. Those, whose soul has been mutilated, mutilated
                     into ENJOYING to murder people, mutilated in a
                     very gruesome but distant past, mutilated by 'you
                     know who' and his hordes.
                        And the 'Secret' story is only a bunch of
                        made-up fantasies THAT DO HOWEVER - like most
                        all Science Fiction - CONNECT TO ACTUAL
                        EMOTIONS AND FEELINGS AND VAGUE MEMORIES OF
                        HORRORS,
                              that 'you know who and his hordes' DID
                              perform on you or on others, over a long
                              period of time, which he wants you never,
                              never, never to correctly find out about.
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                  2. Those who would murder anyone, if it means they
                     then do not have to face the ACTUAL Energies of
                     'you know who' - who he really is and was and
                     what he did and does and will do to you or to
                     others, and how he did and does it and will do it
                     (with 'Black-er Magic' than any of the posters
                     here can even think of).
                     They will murder or otherwise destroy anyone
                     in order to avoid having to experience truthfully,
                     anything of the actual, extremely repulsive
                     condition, of 'you know who.'
I have given you many examples of such people.
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To put it in a wider and very true perspective:
 A majority of the posters at 'alt.religion.scientology' etc., would
 happily have Christ killed, murdered - they fit either category 1.
 or category 2. above,
 and if not murdered, then (the modern equivalent of murder) have him
 permanently drugged or even electro-shocked to incapacity, to prevent
 him from Loving people,
      to stop him from caring, and from performing "those nasty, ugly
      miracles to restore people's connection to life and to The
      Creation."
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And the remainder of the posters and readers, of the discussion group
 called 'alt.religion.scientology,' would stand by and do nothing, and
 look dazed, much like 'dogs' or 'pigs' would
      - as if "it, the lying, the killing, the murdering, does not
        change anything for them, that they could feel or could
        actually reason about."
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Less than half a year ago (that is, in January 2006) I suggested to
 the "kind persons"
      to those who have been made to consider themselves, as judged
      from their behavior, to be "kind and ethical dogs"
            - and they are indeed friends with whoever feeds them
              whatever it is they desire to "eat" -
      that they may consider, that it IS possible, yes, that they
      might even come to find it desirable,
 to connect to feeling who they once were, things long lost of
 themselves again, human, decent, normal,
      as described *(4) in the Human Rights Issue 'Becoming A Friend
      Forever' - and becoming so also to me,
            rather than, as the hypnotist demands it, "to be aware of
            and evaluate and feel only the present, and not who a
            person, let alone they themselves, actually are, nor to
            feel the possible or likely future."
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None have done so, none have in any way whatsoever been willing to
 face the actual force and deception and activities of 'you know who.'
NONE of the "kind and ethical dogs" have been willing to create even
 the desire to look at the actual nature of 'you know who.'
      Yet they - whether skeptic or ex- or pro-Scientology - do
      talk to each other, as
"how THEY are THE ONLY ONES, who DO face 'you know who'."
And they ADMIRE each other even "for doing so..."
How insane has he made them and is he keeping them?
Very, very, very...
To them I say:
           "I have no illusions about you whatsoever, due to your
            behavior that I have observed over some ten years
            consistently:
                  You are a violently insane, mad and dangerous
                  lot, entirely fitting the subject you are
                  attached to: 'Scientology,' and 'you know who'."
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I climbed out of it, out of the boiling cauldron, and am sitting on
 the edge, now, you might say
 - but they, the anti-'s and ex-'s and pro-'s, they are made to feel,
   that they are not even in it
- such is the true nature of hypnotism.
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I recently published something about it, actually:
     'Protecting your Energy - How to defend yourself against
      l. ron hubbard (during your sleep) raping your body and
      soul of your Energy' - on 27 June 2006 - *(5)
a copy was even posted to their newsgroup.
      Inside the 'cauldron' is not a good place to fight from,
      you know...
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Having expressed my truest and deepest respect for them, I remain -
 most emphatically NOT theirs - but truly,
Koos Nolst Trenite "Cause Trinity"
human rights philosopher and poet
                                            'It is of no use walking
                                                  anywhere to preach
                                                  unless our walking
                                                    is our preaching.'
Saint Francis of Assisi
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References:
     'Fine Particle Physics To Understand Psychosis'
      {HRI 20030227-V2.2}
       (27 Feb 2003 - Version 2.2 on 23 Jan 2005)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/sci.med/msg/a3940363702cebcf?fwc=1
     'Two More Tools To Detect Criminal Minds' {HRI 20030716}
       (16 July 2003)
http://www.googlegroups.com/group/soc.culture.europe/msg/7585a3f78ab01b75?fwc=1
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Footnotes:
(1)  'Issue Note V3.0 on 'The Hippocrates Syndrome - Current State of
      Mental Health Care And Understanding - Consequences For
      Decision Makers, Caretakers And Caregivers' '
       (27 September 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/7e28b77daa515f63?fwc=1
(2)  'Can The Blind See The Blind And Deaf' {HRI 20051116-V1.1}
       (16 November 2005 - Version 1.1 on 19 Nov 2005)
http://groups.google.com/group/human-rights-issues/msg/264c9340f63f3434?fwc=1
(3)  'Definition Of Schizophrenic' {HR 20021125} (25 November 2002)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.psychology.misc/msg/f34d97fee2a0b84d?fwc=1
(4)  'Becoming A Friend Forever' {HRI 20060112-V1.2}
       (12 January 2006 - Version 1.2 on 19 Jan 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/human-rights-issues/msg/7d107ec4afb39f3d?fwc=1
(5)  'Protecting your Energy - How to defend yourself against
      l. ron hubbard (during your sleep) raping your body and
      soul of your Energy - (short note - version 2)'
        (27 June 2006 - version 2 on 28 June 2006)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.physics/msg/e910d1135fec1943?fwc=1
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Talking about "murderers" - how's your daughter?
I think our Phil might be right you know, Jesus!
> 
Me, Jesus? You could be right. I've got the nose and have always kept
my hand in my pocket, if you know what I mean.
Leonardo Been is a NSA PSYCHOPATH.
Anybody know where this NSA PSYCHOPATH Leonardo Been LIVES, his phone number 
?
Anybody here thinks that chinese, russians, french, arabs and iranians will
TRACK all the EMAILS of this NSA PSYCHOPATH and put him under 24X7
SURVEILLANCE ?
Give exactly the SAME WEAPON to any FBI, CIA and NSA PSYCHOPATH and a
NON-AMERICAN to FIGHT and these US GOVT IMPOTENT PSYCHOPATHS will DROP their
WEAPONS and RUN like HELL crying Mommy, Mommy, Mommy HELP ME.
The WORST PART is 300 mil AMERICAN PROGRAMMED SLAVES "WORSHIP" these
IMPOTENT FBI, CIA and NSA PUSSIES as BRAVE WARRIORS.
Roflmao...........
"Leonardo Been" <leonar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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"Leonardo Been" <leonar...@yahoo.com> wrote in message 
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> The Christ killers (the potential murderers) at
> 'alt.religion.scientology' and 'alt.clearing.technology'
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> A majority of the posters at 'alt.religion.scientology' 
> would happily
> kill Christ,
oh plee e z z z zzze.