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Warren Penn

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Apr 30, 2012, 8:57:49 AM4/30/12
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On Apr 29, 12:44 pm, RH <anywhere...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Why liberals are terrified by Anders Breivik
>
> Robert Henderson
>
> The trial of the mass killer Anders Breivik  in Oslo is remarkable. It
> is not Breivik who is fearful but the Norwegian political mainstream
> trembling  their way towards what they hope will be a  politically
> correct ending to the story with Breivik declared mad, viz:
>
> “The prosecutors are still beginning the trial calling for Breivik to
> be transferred to compulsory mental health treatment, not prison,
> despite a new psychiatrists report last week ruling him sane enough to
> be criminally responsible.
>
> But they reserve the right to make a submission to have this changed
> to a call for a prison sentence, based on information that comes up in
> the trial.” (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/
> 9206193/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-trial-day-one-as-it-
> happened.html)
>
> Not, of course, that they would use the word mad because that would be
> politically incorrect.
>
> Liberals are desperately  struggling  to fit  the man into their
> fantasy world  where everyone is wondrously  multicultural and
> gleefully accepting of whatever change is forced upon them by mass
> immigration or the denial of human nature  and difference which is the
> essence of political correctness.  This entails  a blind refusal to
> engage with Breivik’s  declared motives and general criticism of
> modern  Norwegian society (and by extension the developed world
> generally) . In a nutshell, they  do not know how to rationally
> respond to a  man who challenges everything they believe in and can
> only deal with the existence of Breivik by turning him into a being
> who is either not worthy of consideration or a fabulous monster who
> can be viewed  in the same way that  the audience for  a nineteenth
> century freak show would look at the unfortunate beings on display.
>
> The refusal to engage with Breivik is epitomised by the mass public
> singing during the trial  of a  song which Breivik claims is part of
> indoctrination of Norwegians. The song  Children of the Rainbow
> contains lyrics such as these:
>
> “A sky full of stars, blue sea as far as you can see
>
> An earth where flowers grow, can you wish for more?
>
> Together shall we live, every sister, brother
>
> Young children of the rainbow, in a fertile land”
>
> (http://www.policymic.com/articles/7556/norway-fights-against-mass-
> killer-breivik-by-singing-children-of-the-rainbow/related.
>
> In propaganda terms, what is the difference between getting Norwegian
> children to sing that and the  Hitler Youth leading renditions of  the
> Horst Wessel song ?
>
> Three  tactics have been used to negate the danger   Breivik
> represents: say he is insane,  seek to censor  his testimony  on the
> ground that he  will use the trial to promote his political ideas or
> attempt to diminish him and his ideas by deriding him as a person.
> This mentality is echoed by liberals everywhere.  Consequently, even
> outside of Norway  there   is precious little attempt to present
> reasoned argument against what Breivik is claiming. Instead  liberals
> generally have  offered  feeble personal abuse of his person,  bald
> assertions that his arguments  are  wrong and delusional and claims
> that he must be mad.
>
> Why are liberals so desperate not to address the issues Breivik has
> raised? Because they  know in their heart of hearts that their
> declared  political ends are no more than aspirations; that despite
> decades of politically correct propaganda  and the punishment of those
> who dissent from the ideology with the criminal law or non-criminal
> sanction’s such as  loss of employment,  humans  still feel what they
> have always felt, a strong sense of tribal identity and
> territoriality.    Liberals know this in the most certain way  because
> they , like everyone else,  have the  feelings which lead human beings
> to naturally think in terms of membership of a group. This commonly
> makes them  arrange their lives so that they can avoid all the ethnic
> and racial diversity they extol as wonderfully enriching,  a trait
> most notably seen in “white flight” from areas of heavy immigrant
> settlement.
>
> It might be thought that the secret fears expressed in their hypocrisy
> in avoiding the joy of diversity would make the sustaining of their
> ideology impossible. Not a bit of it. Liberals can always tell
> themselves that they are still on a journey towards the promised
> politically correct land  and find excuses for why they live (in
> England)  a very white and very English world . (The favourite  white
> liberal excuse for  denying themselves the  experience of the joy of
> diversity  is that it is a matter of  class  which causes them to  end
> up well away from the diversity. This  is, the white liberal claims,
> is   because they are richer than most and ethnic minorities are
> poorer than most and the two groups are accordingly sorted into
> different neighbourhoods by wealth not race or ethnicity.  It is an
> argument which does not seem to  provide a very adequate garment to
> cover the hypocrisy of the  likes of the leftist folk singer Billy
> Bragg  who removed himself from his Essex origins as the place became
> invaded by  ethnic minorities and went to live in Dorset, arguably the
> whitest and most English of counties).
>
> When people support an ideology  which they know is false  or at the
> least not objectively demonstrable,  they invent excuses for reality
> not being in accord with the ideology. In the case of modern liberals
> they argue that human nature does not exist and behaviour is simply a
> consequence of social conditioning.  They then follow the logic  of
> that belief to say that all that is required to change (to liberals)
> harmful behaviour is to alter the conditioning. When their attempts
> to  re-condition humans in a politically correct way fail,  as they
> always do,  the liberal’s response is simple: the conditioning has not
> gone on long enough or has not be powerful enough to effect the
> required alterations in human behaviour.  This provides an excuse to
> continue with and enhance the re-conditioning by ever more draconian
> restrictions on how people may behave.  The liberal’s  chosen vehicle
> for the re-conditioning is the ideology we now know as political
> correctness or, to  the politically and academically inclined,
> cultural Marxism.
>
> But although they can find excuses for why things are not as they are
> supposed to be according to the politically correct canon,  liberals,
> even the most committed believers,  also have a terrible fear that if
> people point out that the liberal emperor has no clothes before the
> politically correct promised land is reached, it could cause a
> revolution which might at best overthrow what they fervently want or,
> more venally ,  could result in  dire consequences from  themselves as
> the rage of those who have suffered  from the enforcement of political
> correctness and mass immigration is let off the lease.  At the very
> least all the highly paid jobs which rely on the dominance of
> political correctness would vanish.  This would remove the livelihoods
> of a very large proportion of those who sincerely believe in political
> correctness and even more  from those  who pay lip-service to
> political correctness  simply to obtain one of the politically correct
> sinecures.  There is a very large vested interest in maintaining
> political correctness once it has become the ideology of those with
> power.
>
> If political correctness was simply a marginal political creed it
> would be harmless. Unfortunately, it has become  the elite ideology of
> most of  the Western world.  That makes it toxic and potentially
> dangerous enough to destroy the societies in which it has gained such
> a hold, most particularly through its permitting of mass immigration
> and promotion of multiculturalism.  It is  catastrophically pernicious
> because it is totalitarian in its nature  for  it reaches into every
> aspect of life and insists that the only acceptable opinion in any
> situation is the politically correct one.
>
> The ills of mass immigration and  the enforcement of multiculturalism
> require little comment beyond the obvious facts that mass immigration
> that the injection into a society of huge numbers of those  who either
> cannot  fully assimilate for reasons of racial difference or  will not
> assimilate from a determination to retain the imported ancestral
> culture must of itself be immediately divisive  and, eventually, if
> immigration it continues long enough, potentially result in the
> original population becoming a minority in their own land and their
> own culture, at the least,  badly mangled by that stark change in
> fortune.
>
> The state  promotion of immigrant cultures and the suppression of
> indigenous interests facilitates the process of the destruction of a
> homogeneous society, but   this may be an effect rather than a cause
> of the mass immigration.  Rather than being  the result of a conscious
> plot as the proponents of Cultural Marxism believe, it could be a
> response to the permitting of mass immigration through negligence or
> cowardice by political elites who then try to justify what has
> happened, control  native dissent and attempt to deal with the
> inevitable ills brought by mass immigration by developing a philosophy
> such as multiculturalism which pretends  that  there is no such thing
> as tribalism in the human DNA  and  everything is for the best in all
> possible multicultural worlds. It does not solve the problem but it
> provides the elite with  a narrative for what has happened  which
> diverts blame away from them at least temporarily.
>
> Read more athttp://livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/why-liberals-are-te...

Breivik will one day be recognized as a Folk hero. A few more years of
multiculturalism should suffice.

M Winther

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Apr 30, 2012, 9:26:40 AM4/30/12
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"Warren Penn" <haplog...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
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On Apr 29, 12:44 pm, RH <anywhere...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Why liberals are terrified by Anders Breivik
>>
>> Robert Henderson
>>
>> The trial of the mass killer Anders Breivik in Oslo is remarkable.
>> It
>> is not Breivik who is fearful but the Norwegian political
>> mainstream
>> trembling their way towards what they hope will be a politically
>> correct ending to the story with Breivik declared mad, viz:
>>
>> "The prosecutors are still beginning the trial calling for Breivik
>> to
>> be transferred to compulsory mental health treatment, not prison,
>> despite a new psychiatrists report last week ruling him sane enough
>> to
>> be criminally responsible.
>>
>> But they reserve the right to make a submission to have this
>> changed
>> to a call for a prison sentence, based on information that comes up
>> in
>> the trial."
>> (http:>www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/
>> (http:>www.policymic.com/articles/7556/norway-fights-against-mass-
>> athttp:>livinginamadhouse.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/why-liberals-are-te...

>Breivik will one day be recognized as a Folk hero. A few more years
>of multiculturalism should suffice.

This guy identifies with the Knights Templars, views al-Qaida as a
model, etc. Breivik says he played online Internet game "World of
Warcraft" for a whole year, during 2006, 16-17 hours a day. This
doesn't sound like a normal person. His worldview is deranged. His
critique of multiculturalism and Islam, etc, is shallow.

This does not mean that multiculturalism and "cultural Marxism" are
acceptable ideologies. You don't have to side with Breivik to
criticize today's cultural and moral relativism. Today's
mass-immigration creates discord in our Western societies. But let's
make a critique from a perspective that is mentally sound, and not
confused and superficial.

I contend that the Western world suffers from a collective neurosis,
and Breivik's deed represents a psychotic episode, as it were. The
problem is that in such archaic eruptions lies a kernel of truth, but
collective consciousness refuses to give heed to the unconscious. The
result is only that the unconscious complex becomes even more archaic
and aggressive, the more repressed it is. For instance, our instincts
tell us that we should promote our own genetic kind and our own
culture. All species have such instincts, without which no progress
could have occurred. But we program our heads with multicultural
dogmas and allow massive immigration of quite alien ethnicities and
cultures. If we repress our negative feelings and refuse to discuss
the problem, and refrain from grappling with it in civilized terms,
then the unconscious will erupt with its archaic "understanding" of
the problem. This is what we see in this case.

The collective neurosis depends on an identification with conscious
values (political correctness) to the detriment of natural feelings,
the dark aspects of our nature. The latter contents become repressed.
People who give expression to them are maligned and defamed. An
individual who remains identified with the collective (and hence is an
ideal citizen, as it were) is neurotic to an equal degree as the
societal collective.

Thoughtways that are affected by a revolting unconscious are archaic
and have archetypal dimensions. They are always contaminated with
unconscious vulgarity and instinctuality, such as aggression. The
theme of blood sacrifice is notorious. Accordingly, the perpetrator is
also a member of a freemason lodge and entertains notions of himself
as a crusader, a Knights Templar.

The above three paragraphs represent an intelligent and mentally sound
analysis of the current situation, unlike anything that Breivik has
produced.

M. Winther



Zinnic

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Apr 30, 2012, 11:06:31 AM4/30/12
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How many victims does it take to qualify a murderer as being insane?
Are sociopaths insane? In my view the questions are irrelevent. In our
complex societies people should be judged by their actions not their
motives.
Zinnic

Bret Cahill

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Apr 30, 2012, 1:01:46 PM4/30/12
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> > Why liberals are terrified by Anders Breivik
>
> > Robert Henderson
>
> > The trial of the mass killer Anders Breivik  in Oslo is remarkable. It
> > is not Breivik who is fearful but the Norwegian political mainstream
> > trembling  their way towards what they hope will be a  politically
> > correct ending to the story with Breivik declared mad, viz:
>
> > “The prosecutors are still beginning the trial calling for Breivik to
> > be transferred to compulsory mental health treatment, not prison,
> > despite a new psychiatrists report last week ruling him sane enough to
> > be criminally responsible.
>
> > But they reserve the right to make a submission to have this changed
> > to a call for a prison sentence, based on information that comes up in
> > the trial.” (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/
> > 9206193/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-trial-day-one-as-it-
> > happened.html)
>
> > Not, of course, that they would use the word mad because that would be
> > politically incorrect.
>
> > Liberals are desperately  struggling  to fit  the man into their
> > fantasy world  where everyone is wondrously  multicultural and
> > gleefully accepting of whatever change is forced upon them by mass
> > immigration or the denial of human nature  and difference which is the
> > essence of political correctness.

To the contrary liberals are painfully acutely aware that there are
plenty of violent anti-democratic ignorant bigots, not just in the U.
S. but all over Europe which holds the continental world record when
it comes to genocide on a pro rata basis.

How do you think the GOP gets white trash tire biters to vote for tax
cuts for the rich?


Bret Cahill

Oleg Smirnov

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M Winther, news:4f9e931c$0$3792$c83e...@weathergirl-read.tele2.net
> "Warren Penn" <haplog...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet

>> Breivik will one day be recognized as a Folk hero.

Unlikely.
Many of those who migrate to you do not reflect on these
subjects at all, with all due respect that is another world
where your 'intelligent analysis' costs nothing.

M Winther

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>M Winther, news:4f9e931c$0$3792$c83e...@weathergirl-read.tele2.net
>> "Warren Penn" <haplog...@gmail.com> skrev i meddelandet
>
>>> Breivik will one day be recognized as a Folk hero.
>
> Unlikely.

I didn't write that!!! Don't reply to this mentally deranged statement
as if it was I who wrote it.
Of course they don't. It is irrelevant to my analysis.

/Mats

Oleg Smirnov

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> "Oleg Smirnov" <ve...@gde.ru> screw I meddelandet
>> ME Winter,
>> news:4f9e931c$0$3792$c83e...@weathergirl-read.tele2.net
>>> "Warren Penn" <haplog...@gmail.com> screw I

>>>> Britvic will one day be recognized as a Folk hero.
>>
>> Unlikely.
>
> I didn't write that!!! Don't reply to this mentally
> deranged statement as if it was I who wrote it.

Come on, it's easy to distinguish '>>>' from '>>'.

>>> then the unconscious will erupt with its archaic
>>> "understanding" of the problem. This is what we see in
>>> this case.
>>
>> Many of those who migrate to you do not reflect on these
>> subjects at all, with all due respect that is another
>> world where your 'intelligent analysis' costs nothing.
>
> Of course they don't. It is irrelevant to my analysis.

I just think when touching such theme one
should be interested in how 'they' think and
feel as well.
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