Re: Lucy FACTOID 101

[Jason]

In article
<ffbf152b-0786-48c9...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On Apr 30, 11:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=
> om>,
> > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) w=
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D
> > > > > > > tche=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=3D
> > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D
> > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=3D
> > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented as
> > > > history or l=3D
> > > > > > > egen=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0And those legends m=
> ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people believe
> > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it are
> > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global flood on=
> ce
> > > > happened =3D
> > > > > > > on t=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is true just=
> because
> > > > it is p=3D
> > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world was onc=
> e flat,
> > > > just bec=3D
> > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that were taken=
> from
> > > > outer =3D
> > > > > > > spac=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not fla=
> t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evidenc=
> e
> > > > jsut as fi=3D
> > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3DA0Evidence yo=
> u can
> > > > look up =3D
> > > > > > > and se=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist BS si=
> tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like 234=
> 9 to
> > > > 2348 BC=3D
> > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3DA0canop=
> y
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's Flo=
> od
> > > > water cam=3D
> > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains of =
> the
> > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >
> > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =A0Such as the exp=
> lanation
> > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on eart=
> h
> > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time during =
> a major
> > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick clouds bu=
> t it's
> > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die, but it =
> won't
> > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is that=
> if
> > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with enough =
> water
> > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a fact=
> .
> >
> > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing.
> >
> > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be dated to
> > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's flood
> > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >
> > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oceans
> > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world was co=
> vered
> > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not have h=
> ad to
> > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> the "issue" is still wide open.

God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
be placed on another planet.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.

[tirebiter]

On May 1, 5:45 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

>
>
>
>
> > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
>
> > > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> be placed on another planet.

Then why spend a year just to flood this one tiny planet? Why not
take a week and rebuild the whole universe?

---
a.a. #2273

[linuxgal]

tirebiter wrote:

>
> Then why spend a year just to flood this one tiny planet? Why not
> take a week and rebuild the whole universe?

And what made God think World 2.0 would be an improvement over the first
revision?

[harry k]

On May 1, 2:45 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

Since he would have "poofed" the water into existance, why would he
bother to move it to another planet? Ever hear of "logic"?

Harry K

[Wombat]

On May 1, 11:45 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

snip

>
> > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to
> > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
>
> > > We have discussed that issue before.
>
> > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> be placed on another planet.

So why did he create evidence that there was no floode. Sounds like
the sort of thing Loki is known for.

[Jim Burns]

Obviously, when God poofed the water away, he poofed all the
gruesomely destroyed children and parents and animals and plants
back to life and deleted their memories of Ye Flood.

All of them, both good and evil, otherwise, it would have gone
into the records over in Egypt this year's flood level, Joe-Ra
the Pedophile suddenly disappeared as well a bunch of other
folks we definitely don't miss, this years wheat harvest...

Why, you may ask would God tell us all about this humongous
punishment and neglect to mention that He un-punished everybody
afterward? That's a good question...

It's because...

God works in mysterious ways! Yes. Ha HAH.
See? It's all very simple.

[harry k]

On May 1, 2:45 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

And why not save all the trouble of creating a flood, hiding all the
eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.

Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
population minus 7 people were "evil".

Harry K

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
about that subject.

[Jason]

In article
<5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 1, 2:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D

> > > >,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D

> > > om>,
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) w=
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=

> om>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Ja=
> son) w=3D
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=

> =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=

> =3D3D

> > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented=
> as
> > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0And those=
> legends m=3D
> > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people beli=
> eve
> > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it a=

> re
> > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global floo=
> d on=3D
> > > ce
> > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is t=
> rue just=3D
> > > =A0because
> > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world=
> was onc=3D
> > > e flat,
> > > > > > just bec=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that were t=
> aken=3D
> > > =A0from
> > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not=
> fla=3D
> > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evi=
> denc=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3D3DA0Evide=
> nce yo=3D
> > > u can
> > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist B=
> S si=3D
> > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like=
> 234=3D
> > > 9 to
> > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3D3DA=
> 0canop=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's=
> Flo=3D
> > > od
> > > > > > water cam=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains=
> of =3D

> > > the
> > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >

> > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3DA0Such as t=
> he exp=3D
> > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on =
> eart=3D

> > > h
> > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >

> > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time dur=
> ing =3D
> > > a major
> > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick cloud=
> s bu=3D

> > > t it's
> > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >

> > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die, but=
> it =3D
> > > won't
> > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is =
> that=3D
> > > =A0if
> > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with eno=
> ugh =3D
> > > water
> > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a =
> fact=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing=

> .
> >
> > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological

> > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be date=
> d to
> > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's fl=

> ood
> > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >

> > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oc=
> eans
> > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world wa=
> s co=3D
> > > vered
> > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not ha=
> ve h=3D

> > > ad to
> > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the

> > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is=
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=

> s
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes

> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding wat=
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=

> to
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water

> > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water t=

> o
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> And why not save all the trouble of creating a flood, hiding all the
> eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.
>
> Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
> just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
> alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
> population minus 7 people were "evil".
>
> Harry K

God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God used
Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
he was cleansing the world of evil people. The next time--God will use
FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read the
last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.

[Jason]

In article
<c020a1a2-2c06-490c...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 1, 11:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> snip
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the

> > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is=
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=

> s
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes

> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding wat=
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=

> to
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water

> > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water t=

> o
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> So why did he create evidence that there was no floode. Sounds like
> the sort of thing Loki is known for.

The evidence is on this earth--such as the Grand Canyon and the ocean fish
fossils that I have been found on Mount Everest.

[Jason]

In article
<c14de0b6-f9fe-4c6b...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 1, 2:45=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D

> > > >,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D

> > > om>,
> > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) w=
> rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=

> om>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Ja=
> son) w=3D

> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >

> > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=

> =3D3D

> > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented=
> as
> > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0And those=
> legends m=3D

> > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people beli=
> eve
> > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it a=

> re
> > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global floo=
> d on=3D
> > > ce
> > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is t=
> rue just=3D
> > > =A0because
> > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world=
> was onc=3D
> > > e flat,
> > > > > > just bec=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that were t=
> aken=3D
> > > =A0from
> > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is not=
> fla=3D
> > > t.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other evi=
> denc=3D
> > > e
> > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > rm

> > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3D3DA0Evide=
> nce yo=3D
> > > u can
> > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationist B=
> S si=3D
> > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked like=
> 234=3D
> > > 9 to
> > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =3D3DA=
> 0canop=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >

> > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the Noah's=
> Flo=3D
> > > od
> > > > > > water cam=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fountains=
> of =3D

> > > the
> > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >

> > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3DA0Such as t=
> he exp=3D

> > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light on =
> eart=3D

> > > h
> > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >

> > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time dur=
> ing =3D
> > > a major
> > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick cloud=
> s bu=3D

> > > t it's
> > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >

> > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die, but=
> it =3D
> > > won't
> > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact is =
> that=3D
> > > =A0if
> > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with eno=
> ugh =3D
> > > water
> > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is a =
> fact=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing=

> .
> >
> > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological

> > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be date=
> d to
> > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's fl=

> ood
> > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >

> > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the oc=
> eans
> > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world wa=
> s co=3D
> > > vered
> > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not ha=
> ve h=3D

> > > ad to
> > > > > > be very thick.
> >
> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the

> > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is=
> no
> > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlig=
> ht
> > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the eart=
> h
> > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there i=

> s
> > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes

> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding wat=
> er
> > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water=

> to
> > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >
> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water

> > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water t=

> o
> > be placed on another planet.
>
> Since he would have "poofed" the water into existance, why would he
> bother to move it to another planet? Ever hear of "logic"?
>
> Harry K

I was guessing--perhaps God did make the water disappear.

[harry k]

On May 2, 9:48 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <c020a1a2-2c06-490c-be3f-f54d9f8a7...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,

G.C. was not formed from a flood and there is tons, literally in the
rocks, to prove it.
The fossils on Everest are too old by millions of years to have had
anything to do with the flood;.

Try again and while you are at it, we are still waiting to find out
where all that water went and how there was no light on earth unntil
after your asinine flood.

Harry K

[harry k]

On May 2, 9:46 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry

OMG! ROFLMAO!!!. So he kills everybody and then explains to them
why? JAAYYYZUSSS!!!

The next time--God will use
> FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
> that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read the
> last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.

So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. After all
he is
"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
his second.

What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?

Harry K

[Devils Advocaat]

On May 3, 5:41 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article

> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
the biblical flood account?

[harry k]

On May 2, 9:41 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article

> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

One only has to read genesis and then check the geological record to
know that he lied.
There is zero evidence a flood ever happened and lots of evidence one
didn't, e.g., those civilisations that flourished during that
period,
maintained continuous records, etc. and never mentioned that everybody
drowned.

Harry K.

[Jason]

In article
<5892a762-1dfe-41be...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article

> > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >

> > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september=

> .org>,
> >
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article
> >

> > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=3D> > > >,

> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=

> >,
> > > > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >

> > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=3D

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrot=
> e:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.c=

> om>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jaso=

> n) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com
> > (Jason) w=3D
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >

> > > > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest=
> .com=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote=
> :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> co=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are docume=
> nted as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0And t=
> hose
> > legends m=3D
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people =
> believe
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe =

> it are
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global

> > flood on=3D

> > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > happened =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0So a popular belief =
> is
> > true just=3D

> > > > > =A0because
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean the w=
> orld

> > was onc=3D
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that

> > were taken=3D

> > > > > =A0from
> > > > > > > > outer =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is

> > not fla=3D

> > > > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other

> > evidenc=3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
> >

> > =3D3D3DA0Evidence yo=3D

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of

> > creationist BS si=3D

> > > > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked

> > like 234=3D
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee

> > =3D3DA0canop=3D

> > > > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the

> > Noah's Flo=3D
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or

> > 'fountains of =3D

> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3DA0Such =
> as
> > the exp=3D

> > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light

> > on eart=3D

> > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time

> > during =3D

> > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick

> > clouds bu=3D

> > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >
> > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die,

> > but it =3D

> > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact

> > is that=3D
> > > > > =A0if

> > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with

> > enough =3D
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That i=
> s
> > a fact=3D
> > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH gues=
> sing.
> >
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physic=

> ally
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of

> > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biologic=

> al
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be
> > dated to

> > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah'=

> s flood
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >

> > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than th=
> e
> > oceans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the worl=
> d
> > was co=3D
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would no=
> t
> > have h=3D

> > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >

> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlight
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> earth
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re is
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> water
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=

> ater to
> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >

> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers s=

> o
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >

> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood w=
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=

> er to
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > about that subject.
>
> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> the biblical flood account?

I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
to those other cultures that were mentioned.

[Jason]

In article
<6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 2, 9:46=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > On May 1, 2:45=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september=

> .org=3D
> > > >,
> >
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D
> > > .org=3D3D

> > > > > >,
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> >,
> > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.google=
> grou=3D
> > > ps.c=3D3D

> > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wr=
> ote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.c=

> om>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Ja=

> son) w=3D
> > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >

> > > > > > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegrou=

> ps.c=3D
> > > om>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.c=
> om (Ja=3D
> > > son) w=3D3D
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >

> > > > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest=
> .com=3D
> > > =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote=
> :
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.=
> co=3D
> > > =3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are docume=
> nted=3D
> > > =A0as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA=
> 0And those=3D
> > > =A0legends m=3D3D
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people =
> beli=3D
> > > eve
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe =
> it a=3D

> > > re
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global =
> floo=3D
> > > d on=3D3D
> > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > happened =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0So a popular bel=
> ief is t=3D
> > > rue just=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0because
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0Does that mean t=
> he world=3D
> > > =A0was onc=3D3D
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that we=
> re t=3D
> > > aken=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0from
> > > > > > > > outer =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is=
> not=3D
> > > =A0fla=3D3D
> > > > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other=
> evi=3D
> > > denc=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen. =3D3D3D3DA=
> 0Evide=3D
> > > nce yo=3D3D
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of creationi=
> st B=3D
> > > S si=3D3D
> > > > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked =
> like=3D
> > > =A0234=3D3D
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee =

> =3D3D3DA=3D
> > > 0canop=3D3D
> > > > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the No=
> ah's=3D
> > > =A0Flo=3D3D
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or 'fount=
> ains=3D
> > > =A0of =3D3D

> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3D3DA0Suc=
> h as t=3D
> > > he exp=3D3D
> > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light=
> on =3D
> > > eart=3D3D

> > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >

> > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time=
> dur=3D
> > > ing =3D3D
> > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick c=
> loud=3D
> > > s bu=3D3D

> > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >

> > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die,=
> but=3D
> > > =A0it =3D3D
> > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact=
> is =3D
> > > that=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0if
> > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with=
> eno=3D
> > > ugh =3D3D
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That i=
> s a =3D
> > > fact=3D3D
> > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH gues=
> sing=3D
> > > .
> >
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physic=

> ally
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of

> > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biologic=
> al
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be =
> date=3D
> > > d to
> > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah'=
> s fl=3D

> > > ood
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >

> > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than th=
> e oc=3D
> > > eans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the worl=
> d wa=3D
> > > s co=3D3D
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would no=
> t ha=3D
> > > ve h=3D3D

> > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >

> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to

> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >

> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers s=

> o
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >

> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood w=
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D

> > > o
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > And why not save all the trouble of creating a flood, hiding all the
> > > eveidence there of, then creating evidence proving there was no flood.
> >
> > > Even an incompetent god would have realized it would be far simpler to
> > > just "poof" away the eveil doers and leave the righteous people
> > > alone...even in the totally unlikely case that the entire worlkd
> > > population minus 7 people were "evil".
> >
> > > Harry K
> >

> > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God use=

> d
> > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
> > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
>
> OMG! ROFLMAO!!!. So he kills everybody and then explains to them
> why? JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
>
> The next time--God will use
> > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After

> > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read th=

> e
> > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
>
> So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. After all
> he is
> "all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
> his second.
>
> What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> Harry K

No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
the details. The third time is the charm.

[Devils Advocaat]

On May 3, 6:54 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils

Really?

> I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
> to those other cultures that were mentioned.

I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.

You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.

Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.

Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.

Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
those people.

Now try and think.

Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.

What does that say to you about the biblical account?

It's a simple question, with a simple answer.

[Jason]

In article
<e0958d5d-8319-475f...@q24g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 3, 6:54=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.co=

> m>,
> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article

> > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.co=

> m>,
> > > > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >

> > > > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D

> > > .org>,
> >
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=

> m>,
> > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> >

> > > > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=3D3D> > > =

> >,
> > > > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest=
> .com=3D

> > > >,
> > > > > > > > > > > =3D3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >

> > > > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=3D3=

> D
> >
> > > > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason=
> ) wrot=3D
> > > e:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegrou=
> ps.c=3D

> > > om>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com=
> (Jaso=3D

> > > n) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> >
> > > > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nosp=
> am.com
> > > > (Jason) w=3D3D
> > > > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D=
> 3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >

> > > > > > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pac=
> west=3D
> > > .com=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> w=
> rote=3D
> > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacw=
> est.=3D
> > > co=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > m:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the Worl=
> d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are do=
> cume=3D
> > > nted as
> > > > > > > > > > history or l=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3=
> D3DA0And t=3D
> > > hose
> > > > legends m=3D3D
> > > > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of peo=
> ple =3D
> > > believe
> > > > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that beli=
> eve =3D

> > > it are
> > > > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a glo=
> bal
> > > > flood on=3D3D

> > > > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > > > happened =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0So a popular=
> belief =3D
> > > is
> > > > true just=3D3D

> > > > > > > =3DA0because
> > > > > > > > > > it is p=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > opular.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3D3D3DA0Does that me=
> an the w=3D
> > > orld

> > > > was onc=3D3D
> > > > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > > > just bec=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth tha=
> t
> > > > were taken=3D3D

> > > > > > > =3DA0from
> > > > > > > > > > outer =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the worl=
> d is
> > > > not fla=3D3D
> > > > > > > t.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" o=
> ther
> > > > evidenc=3D3D
> > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
> >

> > > > =3D3D3D3DA0Evidence yo=3D3D

> >
> > > > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > > > look up =3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of

> > > > creationist BS si=3D3D
> > > > > > > tes.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth loo=
> ked
> > > > like 234=3D3D
> > > > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yee=
> e
> > > > =3D3D3DA0canop=3D3D
> > > > > > > y
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where th=
> e
> > > > Noah's Flo=3D3D
> > > > > > > od
> > > > > > > > > > water cam=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > e from.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or

> > > > 'fountains of =3D3D

> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =3D3DA=
> 0Such =3D
> > > as
> > > > the exp=3D3D
> > > > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any l=
> ight
> > > > on eart=3D3D

> > > > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day =
> time
> > > > during =3D3D
> > > > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thi=
> ck
> > > > clouds bu=3D3D

> > > > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you =
> die,
> > > > but it =3D3D
> > > > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The =
> fact
> > > > is that=3D3D
> > > > > > > =3DA0if
> > > > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth =
> with
> > > > enough =3D3D
> > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. Th=
> at i=3D
> > > s
> > > > a fact=3D3D
> > > > > > > .
> >
> > > > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH =
> gues=3D
> > > sing.
> >
> > > > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is ph=
> ysic=3D
> > > ally
> > > > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kind=
> s of
> > > > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biol=
> ogic=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could=
> be
> > > > dated to
> > > > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that N=
> oah'=3D

> > > s flood
> > > > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water tha=
> n th=3D
> > > e
> > > > oceans
> > > > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the =
> worl=3D
> > > d
> > > > was co=3D3D
> > > > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy woul=
> d no=3D
> > > t
> > > > have h=3D3D

> > > > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > > > be very thick.
> >

> > > > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill a=
> ll t=3D
> > > he
> > > > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. =
> Ther=3D
> > > e is no
> > > > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still hav=
> e su=3D
> > > nlight
> > > > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of =
> the =3D
> > > earth
> > > > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise,=
> the=3D
> > > re is
> > > > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been ful=
> l. L=3D
> > > akes
> > > > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of hol=
> ding=3D
> > > =A0water
> > > > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enou=
> gh w=3D

> > > ater to
> > > > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >

> > > > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answe=
> rs s=3D

> > > o
> > > > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >

> > > > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flo=
> od w=3D
> > > ater
> > > > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive=
> wat=3D

> > > er to
> > > > > > be placed on another planet.
> >

> > > > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into a=
> nd
> > > > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any k=
> ind
> > > > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived thr=

It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
miracles to make it happen.

[Wombat]

On May 3, 6:48 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <c020a1a2-2c06-490c-be3f-f54d9f8a7...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,

The fossils that date back to the Mesozoic era, 200 million years ago?
Those fossils?
You "found" no recent fossils on Everest. That is a blatant lie,
unless you can back it up.
Since the top of the GC has a marine layer dating from 250 million
years ago, marine fossils might be expected to be found there. Do you
have a switch in your brain that switches it of when confronted with
contrary facts? Where are these Noahic fossils? To my knowledge you
have NEVER produced them.

[Wombat]

On May 3, 7:54 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils

A legend is not necessarily an actual event. The FACT that the Old
Kingdom maintained its records through the date you have chosen should
suggest to you that you are wrong. You are trusting in a date given
by a 17th century prelate and a charlatan, neither of whom know
Egyptology better than you, who know nothing.

[Wombat]

Loki.

[Devils Advocaat]

On May 3, 7:27 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snipped for brevity]

> > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > > > the biblical flood account?
>
> > > I don't know.
>
> > Really?
>
> > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches related
> > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
>
> > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
>
> > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
>
> > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
>
> > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
>
> > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
> > those people.
>
> > Now try and think.
>
> > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
>
> > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
>
> > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
>
> It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> miracles to make it happen.

That doesn't address my question and you know it.

Now don't ask me to repeat the question.

Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
question.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > >

[snip]

> > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> > >
> > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water
> > > to
> > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> about that subject.

In your scenario, God left no evidence that a flood occurred, and
copious amounts of evidence that it never did. Therefore, if there was a
flood, God lied about it. That means that the god you worship is a liar.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:

Since when has that stopped you?

The Bible doesn't provide any details about
this "canopy" but you believe IT well enough.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:

So his creation consistently flops.

Is this something beyond his pay grade?

[tirebiter]

On May 3, 12:46 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry

And how did the "cleansing the world of evil people" work out for this
alleged god? Not to mention there must have been "good people" who
were massacred by this evil yet fictional god's flood. It can't seem
to do anything right.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On May 3, 10:16 am, tirebiter <dontspamme...@bigfoot.com> wrote:
> On May 3, 12:46 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harry
>
>

[Tom McDonald]

On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> In article
> <5892a762-1dfe-41be...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
> Advocaat<manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

<snip>

>>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
>>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
>>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
>>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>>>
>>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
>>> about that subject.
>>
>> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
>> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
>> the biblical flood account?
>
> I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global
> flood legends related to Egypt.

And I did the same search, and found that all the sites that said Egypt
had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age sites,
and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving
references to any work by any historian or anthropologist or ethnologist
who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.

IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, and
reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
non-global-flood side.

But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next time
this comes up, will it, Jason?

> I did not do any google searches related
> to those other cultures that were mentioned.

I not only did google searches on the other civilizations that were in
existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them in
both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology courses
at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological facts
support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.

Repeat, there is *no, none, nada, kein, zip, bupkus, zero* historical or
archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-third
millennium BC.

And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the
Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever in
the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?

I guess you do expect us to believe that.

[harry k]

On May 2, 9:49 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <c14de0b6-f9fe-4c6b-8bb4-be82127ef...@qg3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry

Perhaps god gave you a working brain butyour posts show no evidence of
it.

Harry K

[harry k]

On May 2, 10:58 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harry

>
> k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 2, 9:46=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> > y

<major snip of JS> JS - Jason shit

> > > > Harry K
>
> > > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God use=
> > d
> > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know that
> > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
>
> > OMG!   ROFLMAO!!!.  So he kills everybody and then explains to them
> >  why?  JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
>
> > The next time--God will use
> > > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. After
> > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--read th=
> > e
> > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that new
> > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
>
> > So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time.  After all
> > he is
> >  "all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and
> > his second.
>
> > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> > Harry K
>
> No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
> earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
> the details. The third time is the charm.

So you admit he needed two tries, read practice, and still didn't get
it right.

Harry K

[Jason]

In article
<710c9025-203c-4655...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 3, 7:27=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> [snipped for brevity]
>
> > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood

> > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you abou=

> t
> > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > Really?
> >
> > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood

> > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global f=
> lood
> > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any glob=
> al
> > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches rela=

> ted
> > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >
> > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six of
> > > those people.
> >
> > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > miracles to make it happen.
>
> That doesn't address my question and you know it.
>
> Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
>
> Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> question.

You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God made it
happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
Eve.

There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
his sisters.

I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if every man
has several wives.

After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
more posts in this tread. The reasons are:

1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
things and that living things only produce more living things like
themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.

2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
that I am correct. Abortion=Murder

3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
that it did not happen.

4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
Mary.

5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
day.

6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
her wrists.

[Jason]

In article <dIxor.32862$kb7....@newsfe20.iad>, Tom McDonald

Yes, I believe it but do believe the river at the bottom of the Grand
Canyon has also played a role over the years in making the canyon even
deeper.

Read this:

[Jason]

In article <XnsA04847871661D...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

No--God did find out that man can't properly run the world. The third time
will be the charm--God will rule the world--read the last two chapters of

the Bible for the details.

[Jason]

In article
<6ae03c89-953d-426e...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 2, 10:58=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > On May 2, 9:46=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article

> > > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>, =
> harr=3D

> > > y
>
> <major snip of JS> JS - Jason shit
>
> > > > > Harry K
> >

> > > > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed God=
> use=3D
> > > d
> > > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone know t=

> hat
> > > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
> >

> > > OMG! =A0 ROFLMAO!!!. =A0So he kills everybody and then explains to them
> > > =A0why? =A0JAAYYYZUSSS!!!

> >
> > > The next time--God will use

> > > > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that time. A=
> fter
> > > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth--rea=
> d th=3D
> > > e
> > > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what that n=

> ew
> > > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
> >

> > > So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. =A0After all
> > > he is
> > > =A0"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail..;and

> > > his second.
> >
> > > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over the
> > earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible for
> > the details. The third time is the charm.
>
> So you admit he needed two tries, read practice, and still didn't get
> it right.
>
> Harry K

He learned that mankind can't rule the world. The next time--after the
world is destroyed with Fire--God will make the earth into a paradise and
will take control over the earth--read the last two chapters to find out
what that world will be like. Read this:

[Jason]

In article <XnsA048470AE7324...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

Only because it explains the source of the Noah's Flood water.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-2BA399...@news.eternal-september.org>,

The Bible is not a science book. The story about the flood was passed down
from generation to generation (oral tradition) until Moses wrote down the
story. That is probably the reason lots of details got left out. It's too
bad we don't have a witness to what the world was like prior to the
flood--such as--was there a canopy?

[Jason]

In article
<439c6e3c-077e-40c4...@6g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 3, 6:49=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> >
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to

> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >

> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers s=

> o
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >

> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood w=
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D

> > > o
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >
> > > Since he would have "poofed" the water into existance, why would he

> > > bother to move it to another planet? =A0Ever hear of "logic"?

> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > I was guessing--perhaps God did make the water disappear.
>
> Loki.

God the father--read this:

[Jason]

In article
<65a6878f-e4df-466b...@m15g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 3, 6:48=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <c020a1a2-2c06-490c-be3f-f54d9f8a7...@e15g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> > > On May 1, 11:45=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > snip
> >

> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all t=
> he
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. Ther=
> e is=3D
> > > =A0no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have su=
> nlig=3D
> > > ht
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the =
> eart=3D
> > > h
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, the=
> re i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. L=
> akes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding=
> wat=3D
> > > er
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough w=
> ater=3D
> > > =A0to

> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
> >
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> >

> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers s=

> o
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >

> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood w=
> ater
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive wat=
> er t=3D

> > > o
> > > > be placed on another planet.
> >

> > > So why did he create evidence that there was no floode. =A0Sounds like

> > > the sort of thing Loki is known for.
> >

> > The evidence is on this earth--such as the Grand Canyon and the ocean fis=

> h
> > fossils that I have been found on Mount Everest.
>
> The fossils that date back to the Mesozoic era, 200 million years ago?
> Those fossils?
> You "found" no recent fossils on Everest. That is a blatant lie,
> unless you can back it up.
> Since the top of the GC has a marine layer dating from 250 million
> years ago, marine fossils might be expected to be found there. Do you
> have a switch in your brain that switches it of when confronted with
> contrary facts? Where are these Noahic fossils? To my knowledge you
> have NEVER produced them.

Google search results:

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[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Do you want to run that one by us again? There were 8 people. Noah and
his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. How on earth could each of them
have several wives?

>
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.

It is even more difficult to convince people when they know far more
about the subject than you do. That you are intentionally ignorant makes
that task even harder.

>
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder

That is something having to do with personal belief. You have that
belief. Our point is, and always has been that we aren't forcing our
point of view on you, so don't try to force your point of view on us.

>
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.

Your problem is that you have been presented evidence that the flood
never happened,, and you just go on as if it was never presented. You
are asked questions about the supposed flood and come up with
nonsensical answers.

>
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.

That is the first good reason you presented. Of course, things would be
far better for you if you actually did some research before responding
to posts. In many cases, your answers are nonsensical, In other cases
they are lies. You are provided with solid evidence about many subjects,
such as the lies of the ICR, Limbaugh, etc., and you go on as if the
evidence was never presented to you. Finally, when you try to respond to
requests for information, all you do is give the first 10 results of a
Google search, without even bothering to look at them. Usually, your own
search results prove you wrong.

>
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.

By all means, do the exercise.

>
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.

Again, answer fewer posts, but try to be more thorough in your answers.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You are changing the subject again, which you always seem to do when
caught in a lie. The fact is there is no evidence for a worldwide flood,
physical or biological. There are a number of civilizations that seemed
not to have noticed that they had all drowned, which is not good
evidence for the flood. Finally, much of the flood is physically
impossible, since you still haven't been able to come up with an
explanation of where the water came from and where it went. Therefore,
if there was a flood, it is clear that God lie, since he seemingly hid
all evidence of its ocurrence.

[Caranx latus]

Polyamory. I'm really surprised that Jason suggested this.

<snip>

[tirebiter]

On May 3, 4:23 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA04847871661Dnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article

> > > <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,

> > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
>
> > >> Harry K
>
> > > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > > right and we failed both times.
>
> >     So his creation consistently flops.
>
> >     Is this something beyond his pay grade?
>
> No--God did find out that man can't properly run the world. The third time
> will be the charm--God will rule the world--read the last two chapters of
> the Bible for the details.
>

Read about what omniscience and omnipotence mean. Then you'll know
how wrong your blasphemous lies are.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On May 3, 4:39 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <439c6e3c-077e-40c4-824f-f5d45b5a6...@6g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>, Wombat

7. You lie in every post you've ever submitted.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On May 3, 4:19 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils

7. And you ALWAYS lie in EVERY ONE of your posts.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On May 3, 4:26 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA048470AE7324nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article

> > > <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>, David
> > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>

> > >> In article
> > >> <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > In article

> > >> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

No it doesn't because it is impossible to have happened. When an
explanation is proved wrong, it stops being an explanation.

You obviously lied about going to college because that is one of the
things they teach. Even in the intro 101 level classes.

---
a.a. #2273

[harry k]

On May 3, 1:25 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <6ae03c89-953d-426e-a56a-ce9cc0094...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry

Boooo Hoooo.

Your carpal tuneol syndrome (which I don't believe for a moment) would
disppear instantly if you would just cut out the lies in your posts.

Harry K

[Wombat]

On May 3, 10:19 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils

So Noah's sons indulged in wife swapping.

>
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.

Especially when, as you have been told so many times, you are wrong.

>
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder
>
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.

If you came up with physically possible answers things might have been
different. Coming up with ad hoc assertions that contradicted what
you wrote before did not help. Having no evidence for you assertions
and refusing to look for it was not clever.

>
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.
>
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.
>
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.

Sorry about your health problems. I would suggest you spend some time
learning new things.

[Wombat]

On May 3, 11:17 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <65a6878f-e4df-466b-9069-99c88a843...@m15g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,

> Remarkably, the same chalk beds with the same fossils and the ...www.zimbio.com/.../Strong+Evidence+Global+Noahic+Flood+Shown- 52k -

> Cached - Similar pages
>
> If the Noahic Flood explains rock strata, why do animal fossils ...
> Jan 11, 2011 ... .....orderly depth-sequence? That is, modern species are
> at the top and what
> scientists consider the oldest and long extinct species are at the ...
> answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - 65k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> The Noahic Flood is Real History? - Yahoo! UK & Ireland Answers
> Dec 20, 2011 ... As I keep saying, fossils are proof of a Noahic flood
> because only a global flood
> could create fossils in abundance as way the case here.
> uk.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid... - 62k - Cached - Similar pages
>
> Scientists of faith: forty-eight biographies of historic ...
> 26 William Buckland (1784-1856) Geologist of the Noahic Flood The waters ... He
> seems to have been interested in ammonite fossils found in rocks near his ...
> books.google.com/books?isbn=082542724X
>
> Was the Noahic flood global?
> Was the Noahic flood global? ... Sea fossils are found throughout the world at
> every elevation‹consistent with rising waters covering the earth. Layers

> of rock ...www.compellingtruth.org/global-flood.html- 12k - Cached - Similar pages

>
> Can the Redwoods Date the Flood?
> We know from the fossils that they existed long before that ... during the
> ... The
> cones could have survived flooding up to 21 years‹the Noahic flood lasted

> only ...www.icr.org/article/can-redwoods-date-flood/- 38k - Cached - Similar pages

>
> If the Noahic Flood of Genesis was global - Religion & Spirituality - A5
> If the Noahic Flood of Genesis was global, why are there no geologic evidences
> of a global deluge? And why are animal fossils found in such well-defined

> strata ...www.answer5.com/arts_humanities/religion_spirituality/?id... - 22k -

> Cached - Similar pages
>
> Sedimentation Experiments: Is Extrapolation Appropriate?
> extrapolations beyond the experimental conditions to apply the mechanism of
> non-horizontal layers to the formation of all fossil-bearing rocks during
> the Noahic ...
> creation.com/images/pdfs/tj/j11_1/j11_1_61-64.pdf - - Cached - Similar pages
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> Unique Opportunity To Hold And Pick The Best Ones Of Many Before U Buywww.worldsbestnaturestore.com/
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> Be A Paleontologist While You Dig For Fossils At Our Fossil Center.www.sterlinghillminingmuseum.org/
>
> 1

What was the query? Most of those sits do not open - did you check
them? ICR! you really think after they have been caught quote mining
3 times recently anyone should trust them? Answers.yahoo is scarcely
scientific.
If you cannot google search give it up.

[Wombat]

On May 3, 10:25 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <6ae03c89-953d-426e-a56a-ce9cc0094...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry

Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-896141...@news.eternal-september.org>,

God is a miracle working God and use miracles to make it all happen.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-028ED4...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I tried to respond to as many as are possible each day--it was very time
consuming. Mary is getting upset with me for spending to much time
responding to posts. It's interfering with my life. One poster claimed
that we broke some records in regard to posts. I don't know.

[Jason]

In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus

I was referring to future generations. If they all had 20 or more
children--future generations would have lots of people. If each man had
several wives and 20 children per woman--the population would have grown
very quickly in about a dozen generations.

[Devils Advocaat]

On May 3, 9:19 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils

How could they have had several wives?

>
> After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other living
> things and that living things only produce more living things like
> themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis will
> NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.

You got that right, especially as all the evidence shows you are
wrong.

>
> 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal to
> murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> that I am correct. Abortion=Murder

And you've been told while you might find it morally repugnant and
unacceptable, it is not murder. And you've been told why that is the
case.

>
> 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood.
> I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> that it did not happen.

We know it didn't happen, because there is no observable evidence for
it.

>
> 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend with
> Mary.

So you go to Mary's house to help her, and you spend most of your time
on the computer while there.

No wonder she's annoyed with you.

>
> 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> day.

The best thing for a bad back, which was demonstrated years ago here
in the UK, is regular, gentle exercise. Why? Because sitting, or
laying down for too long each day makes the back muscles weaker.

>
> 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunnel
> snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day.
> She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device on
> her wrists.

No one's fault but your own.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-04051...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Too bad the Egyptians, etc. never noticed the flood that killed them,
and kept on merrily living through the deluge.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-03051...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

That he left no evidence of his supposed flood shows that he is a liar,
assuming the flood actually occurred. Of course, anyone who is at all
scientific literate knows that it never did occur.

[Devils Advocaat]

On May 4, 11:35 am, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>
wrote:
> In article <Jason-0405120030440...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus

> > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > In article

> > > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > >   Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > >> In article

> > > >> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> > > >> Devils
> > > >> Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Isn't that because they looked after their mummys properly? :P

[Yap]

On May 3, 12:44 pm, harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On May 2, 9:41 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > In article

> > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Apr 30, 11:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-7ADB87.13482130042...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > <Jason-3004121041220...@67-150-122-116.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > In article
>
> > <dfritzin-60650C.07170830042...@news.eternal-september.org=> > > >,

> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > > <Jason-3004120002090...@67-150-125-43.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > In article
>
> > <89d2b4b6-c9f9-414a-a802-87cfdc1c0...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.c=

>
> > > > > om>,
> > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>

> > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:19=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > In article
>

> > > > > > <e34369ec-0084-4369-b605-411b89a7d...@is10g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 12:24=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
>

> > <0f1313e7-d4be-4ba8-a914-b7e50ddef...@wp13g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > harry k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:25=3D3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com
> > (Jason) w=
> > > > > rote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA0424B2C6478Bnomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > tche=3D3D

> > > > > > > > > > > > > ll
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>

> > > > > > > > >news:Jason-26041...@67-150-125-152.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > :
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > <XnsA041B6A1B5A06nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=3D

> > > > > > > > > > > ,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
>

> > > > > > > > >>news:Jason-26041...@66-53-208-61.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > m:
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Flood Legends from Around the World
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > Native global flood stories are documented as
> > > > > > > > history or l=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > egen=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > d in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > almost every region on earth.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0And those
> > legends m=
> > > > > ean what,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> again?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> "I know that is what millions of people believe
> > > > > > but that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> does not mean those people that believe it are
> > > > > > correct."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> Jason, Jan 9 2012
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I believe the legends mean that a global
> > flood on=
> > > > > ce
> > > > > > > > happened =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > on t=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > earth.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0So a popular belief is
> > true just=
> > > > >  because
> > > > > > > > it is p=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > opular.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0Does that mean the world
> > was onc=
> > > > > e flat,
> > > > > > > > just bec=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > ause
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THAT was a popular legend?
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No. I have seen pictures of the earth that
> > were taken=
> > > > >  from
> > > > > > > > outer =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > spac=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e an=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > d
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > those pictures clearly show that the world is
> > not fla=
> > > > > t.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you "believe" that but won't "believe" other
> > evidenc=
> > > > > e
> > > > > > > > jsut as fi=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > rm
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that your floooodddd did not happen.
>
> > =3D3DA0Evidence yo=
>
> > > > > u can
> > > > > > > > look up =3D
> > > > > > > > > > > and se=3D3D
> > > > > > > > > > > > > e
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for yourself if you would stay out of
> > creationist BS si=
> > > > > tes.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > You don't have pictures of what the earth looked
> > like 234=
> > > > > 9 to
> > > > > > > > 2348 BC=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Youdon't have pictures of Ye Floooodeeee or Yeee
> > =3DA0canop=
> > > > > y
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > > > That's correct. However, it does explain where the
> > Noah's Flo=
> > > > > od
> > > > > > > > water cam=3D
> > > > > > > > > > > e from.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Unsupported assertion that there was a canopy or
> > 'fountains of =
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > deep" are not explanastions.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > An explanation tells HOW somethign happened. =A0Such as
> > the exp=
> > > > > lanation
> > > > > > > > > > > you refuse to supply telling us how there was any light
> > on eart=
> > > > > h
> > > > > > > > > > > during the 'canopy' or where the water went.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > Harry K
>
> > > > > > > > > > Life in those days was like being outside in the day time
> > during =
> > > > > a major
> > > > > > > > > > rain storm or snow storm. The sky is covered with thick
> > clouds bu=
> > > > > t it's
> > > > > > > > > > not DARK outside.
>
> > > > > > > > > You can make this assertion from now until the day you die,
> > but it =
> > > > > won't
> > > > > > > > > make it any more true or even physically possible. The fact
> > is that=
> > > > >  if
> > > > > > > > > there was enough water in ye canopy to flood the earth with
> > enough =
> > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > to cover Mt. Everest, no light could get through it. That is
> > a fact=
> > > > > .
>
> > > > > > > > Since you and I were not alive at that time--we are BOTH guessing.
>
> > > > > > > No, I'm not guessing. I *know* there was no flood. It is physically
> > > > > > > impossible. Besides, such a huge flood would leave all kinds of
> > > > > > > evidence. There is no geological evidence. There is no biological
> > > > > > > evidence (i.e genetic bottlenecks in all species that could be
> > dated to
> > > > > > > the same time). Anyone who is rational would realize that Noah's flood
> > > > > > > is a morality tale, and nothing more.
>
> > > > > > > > We also don't know if the oceans contained MORE water than the
> > oceans
> > > > > > > > presently contain. Let's say that about 80 to 90% of the world
> > was co=
> > > > > vered
> > > > > > > > with water prior to the flood. That means the canopy would not
> > have h=
> > > > > ad to
> > > > > > > > be very thick.
>
> > > > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all the
> > > > > > > oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of that. There is no
> > > > > > > way your canopy could contain that much water and still have sunlight
> > > > > > > come through. Not to mention that the heat and pressure of the earth
> > > > > > > under such a canopy would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is
> > > > > > > nowhere for the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > > > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of holding water
> > > > > > > would have been full. And still, there would have been enough water to

> > > > > > > cover the earth to a depth of 5.5 miles. Where did it go?
>
> > > > > > We have discussed that issue before.
>

> > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers so
> > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
>
> > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood water
> > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the excessive water to
> > > > be placed on another planet.
>
> > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > about that subject.
>

> One only has to read genesis and then check the geological record to
> know that he lied.
> There is zero evidence a flood ever happened and lots of evidence one
>  didn't, e.g., those civilisations that flourished during that
> period,
> maintained continuous records, etc. and never mentioned that everybody
> drowned.
>
> Harry K.

Yes, the continuous record and civilizations of Indian, Chinese and
even Egyptian as well as Greek !

[Yap]

On May 3, 11:43 pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
> On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Devils
> > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com>  wrote:

>
> >> On May 3, 5:41=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>  wrote:
>

> <snip>

>
>
>
>
>
> >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any kind
> >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived through
> >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>
> >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> >>> about that subject.
>

> >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood

> >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> >> the biblical flood account?
>
> > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flood
> > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any global

> > flood legends related to Egypt.
>

> And I did the same search, and found that all the sites that said Egypt
> had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age sites,
> and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving
> references to any work by any historian or anthropologist or ethnologist
> who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.
>
> IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, and
> reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
> non-global-flood side.
>
> But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next time
> this comes up, will it, Jason?
>
> > I did not do any google searches related

> > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
>

> I not only did google searches on the other civilizations that were in
> existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them in
> both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology courses
> at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological facts
> support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.
>
> Repeat, there is *no, none, nada, kein, zip, bupkus, zero* historical or
> archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-third
> millennium BC.
>
> And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the
> Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever in
> the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?
>
> I guess you do expect us to believe that.

How would great Canyon be cut by flooding in one year to such a depth?
It would take a million years for that kind of canyon to be formed.

[Wombat]

On May 4, 9:28 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-028ED4.18392003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article

> > > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devils

463 in 3 days - go figure.

[Wombat]

The YECs seem to think that the layers of sediment were laid down by
Ye Floode and therefore were stil soft when the waters sluiced off the
land. Unfortunately, they neglect to explain how mile high cliffs of
mud stay up!

[Caranx latus]

And where does the figure of 20 children per wife come from?

[Free Lunch]

On Fri, 4 May 2012 05:29:43 -0700 (PDT), Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl>
wrote in alt.talk.creationism:

If Jason didn't lie all the time, he wouldn't get nearly as many
responses or have to continue to repeat his lies.

Maybe Mary is getting upset with his dishonesty.

[tirebiter]

Assuming Mary isn't another one of Jason's lies.

---
a.a. #2273

[harry k]

On May 3, 11:58 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-896141.19065303052...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-0305121338150...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-2BA399.07142003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article

> > > > <Jason-0205122141440...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

For that explanation to work you also have to explain why he would:
1. Hide all the evidence there was a flood.
2. Trick you by manufacturing evidence showing no such flood occured.
3. Somehow forget to send the flood over Egypt, China and several
other civilisations tht lived right through it.

Harry K

[Jason]

In article
<38cb01b7-228b-4b92...@ee2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 3, 10:19=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On May 3, 7:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > [snipped for brevity]
> >

> > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged floo=
> d
> > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you =
> abou=3D

> > > t
> > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood

> > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a glob=
> al f=3D
> > > lood
> > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any =
> glob=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches =
> rela=3D

> > > ted
> > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >

> > > > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six =

> of
> > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > question.
> >

> > You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God made i=

> t
> > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
> > Eve.
> >
> > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
> > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
> > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
> > his sisters.
> >

> > I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if every ma=

> n
> > has several wives.
>
> So Noah's sons indulged in wife swapping.
>
> >
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of

> > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other livin=

> g
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like

> > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis wil=

> l
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>
> Especially when, as you have been told so many times, you are wrong.
>
> >

> > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal t=

> o
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people

> > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=

> .
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
>
> If you came up with physically possible answers things might have been
> different. Coming up with ad hoc assertions that contradicted what
> you wrote before did not help. Having no evidence for you assertions
> and refusing to look for it was not clever.
>
> >
> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending

> > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend wit=

> h
> > Mary.
> >
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
> >

> > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunne=

> l
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the

> > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day=
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=

> n
> > her wrists.
>
> Sorry about your health problems. I would suggest you spend some time
> learning new things.

I plan to do that--thanks. My last post in this thread will be Sunday.

[Jason]

In article
<204f1324-db80-46e9...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 3, 9:19=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On May 3, 7:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > [snipped for brevity]
> >

> > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged floo=
> d
> > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you =
> abou=3D

> > > t
> > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood

> > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a glob=
> al f=3D
> > > lood
> > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any =
> glob=3D
> > > al
> > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches =
> rela=3D

> > > ted
> > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >
> > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >
> > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >

> > > > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six =

> of
> > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >
> > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > question.
> >

> > You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God made i=

> t
> > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
> > Eve.
> >
> > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
> > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
> > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
> > his sisters.
> >

> > I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if every ma=

> n
> > has several wives.
>
> How could they have had several wives?

The children and grandchildren and great grandchildren--Let's say there
were 20 to 30 men and 30 to 50 women. In those cases--some of the men
could have more than one wife and each of the wives would have about 15 to
20 children. The people lived longer in those days according to the
information in the book of Genesis.

> >
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of

> > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other livin=

> g
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like

> > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis wil=

> l
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>
> You got that right, especially as all the evidence shows you are
> wrong.
> >

> > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal t=

> o
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people

> > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder

>
> And you've been told while you might find it morally repugnant and
> unacceptable, it is not murder. And you've been told why that is the
> case.

Yes, that is what lots of people believe. Back in the 1970's--the staff
members of Planned Parenthood would tell people that a fetus was nothing
but a glob of tissue. They can't get away with that lie anymore. Due to
the new types of color ultrasound machines--it's easy to determine that a
third term fetus is an unborn baby and looks just like a baby. It is even
possible to determine the sex of the unborn baby. It's not a glob of
tissue--it's an unborn baby. The advocates of abortion in some states go
to court to put an end to any state laws that require pregnant women to
see ultrasounds of their babies before they can get an abortion. Think
about--why do you believe that is true? Hint--they don't want pregnant
women to realize that there is an unborn baby (not a glob of tissue) that
is inside of them.


> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=

> .
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
>
> We know it didn't happen, because there is no observable evidence for
> it.
> >
> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending

> > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend wit=

> h
> > Mary.
>
> So you go to Mary's house to help her, and you spend most of your time
> on the computer while there.

Actually, I go to my neighbor's (named Sarah) house to help her take care
of her 81 year old disabled father. Mary lives with me in my home.

>
> No wonder she's annoyed with you.
> >
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
>
> The best thing for a bad back, which was demonstrated years ago here
> in the UK, is regular, gentle exercise. Why? Because sitting, or
> laying down for too long each day makes the back muscles weaker.
> >

> > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunne=

> l
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the

> > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day=
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=

> n
> > her wrists.
>
> No one's fault but your own.

You are correct--that is why my last post in this thread will be Sunday.

[Jason]

In article
<cef8974a-e535-4358...@p21g2000vby.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 4, 9:28=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-028ED4.18392003052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article

> > > > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, D=

> evils
> > > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On May 3, 7:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > [snipped for brevity]
> >

> > > > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged =

> flood
> > > > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to

> > you abou=3D

> > > > > t
> > > > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > > > > I don't know.
> >
> > > > > > > Really?
> >
> > > > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a

> > global f=3D

> > > > > lood
> > > > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT

> > any glob=3D

> > > > > al
> > > > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google

> > searches rela=3D

> > > > > ted
> > > > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >

> > > > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the =

> time
> > > > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >

> > > > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have fr=

> om
> > > > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >

> > > > > > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just =

> six of
> > > > > > > those people.
> >
> > > > > > > Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >

> > > > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have use=

> d
> > > > > > miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >
> > > > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > > > question.
> >

> > > > You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God ma=
> de it
> > > > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam =

> and
> > > > Eve.
> >
> > > > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation

> > > > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able =
> to
> > > > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-ov=
> ers"
> > > > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one=
> of
> > > > his sisters.
> >
> > > > I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if ever=

> y man
> > > > has several wives.
> >
> > > Do you want to run that one by us again? There were 8 people. Noah and
> > > his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. How on earth could each of them
> > > have several wives?
> >

> > > > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very m=

> any
> > > > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >

> > > > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing =
> the
> > > > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I on=
> ce
> > > > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesi=
> s
> > > > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law o=
> f
> > > > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other l=

> iving
> > > > things and that living things only produce more living things like

> > > > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis=
> will
> > > > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid th=

> eory
> > > > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > > > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
> >
> > > It is even more difficult to convince people when they know far more

> > > about the subject than you do. That you are intentionally ignorant make=

> s
> > > that task even harder.
> >

> > > > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equ=
> al to
> > > > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remo=
> ve
> > > > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. M=
> any
> > > > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unbo=
> rn
> > > > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince peo=

> ple
> > > > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
> >

> > > That is something having to do with personal belief. You have that
> > > belief. Our point is, and always has been that we aren't forcing our
> > > point of view on you, so don't try to force your point of view on us.
> >

> > > > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's F=
> lood.
> > > > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of differen=
> t
> > > > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters belie=

> ve
> > > > that it did not happen.
> >
> > > Your problem is that you have been presented evidence that the flood
> > > never happened,, and you just go on as if it was never presented. You
> > > are asked questions about the supposed flood and come up with
> > > nonsensical answers.
> >

> > > > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I =

> am
> > > > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is

> > > > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correc=
> t.
> > > > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spend=
> ing
> > > > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend=

> with
> > > > Mary.
> >
> > > That is the first good reason you presented. Of course, things would be
> > > far better for you if you actually did some research before responding
> > > to posts. In many cases, your answers are nonsensical, In other cases

> > > they are lies. You are provided with solid evidence about many subjects=

> ,
> > > such as the lies of the ICR, Limbaugh, etc., and you go on as if the

> > > evidence was never presented to you. Finally, when you try to respond t=

> o
> > > requests for information, all you do is give the first 10 results of a

> > > Google search, without even bothering to look at them. Usually, your ow=

> n
> > > search results prove you wrong.
> >

> > > > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disea=
> se.
> > > > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per=
> day
> > > > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to=
> do
> > > > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises e=

> ach
> > > > day.
> >
> > > By all means, do the exercise.
> >

> > > > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal t=
> unnel
> > > > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot=
> of
> > > > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that proble=

> m go
> > > > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the

> > > > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per=
> day.
> > > > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a devi=

> ce on
> > > > her wrists.
> >
> > > Again, answer fewer posts, but try to be more thorough in your answers.
> >
> > I tried to respond to as many as are possible each day--it was very time
> > consuming. Mary is getting upset with me for spending to much time
> > responding to posts. It's interfering with my life. One poster claimed
> > that we broke some records in regard to posts. I don't know.
>
> 463 in 3 days - go figure.

That is why Mary is very upset with me.

[Jason]

In article <m5q7q7lpullcfs9ms...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

No--she does not read my posts.

She is mainly upset because I spend more time on the computer instead of
getting the various chores done. Responding to posts is more fun than
boring chores and back exercises that are painful to do. However, those
exercises need to be done to get rid of the back problems. I also need to
start walking a mile a day instead of spending hours a day responding to
posts. My last post in this thread will be Sunday.

[Jason]

In article <eMQor.21950$%K4....@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus

According to Genesis chapter 7:6--Noah was 600 years old when Noah's Flood
began. The ages of various offspring of Moses are listed in chaper 11.
Many of the children and grandchildren of Noah lived to be over 100
hundred years old.
Shem (vs 10) was 100 years old when he begat a son named Arphax.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-E67DB8...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Some websites did mention a global flood in Egypt--they were all Christian
sites according to one poster. My last post in this thread will be on
Sunday.

[tirebiter]

On May 4, 12:43 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <m5q7q7lpullcfs9msnn5f1rasjgock8...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

So, you not only broadcast your selfish nature online, but you exhibit
it in your real life too.

You take pride to announce that your vile nature is consistent.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On May 4, 12:51 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-E67DB8.06352404052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0405120030440...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus

> > > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > In article

> > > > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > >   Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > >> In article

> > > > >> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > >> Devils
> > > > >> Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com>  wrote:

There are dozens of cataclysmic flood myths among many cultures. None
of them are provable and none of them coincide. That is the very
first thing that has to be confirmed before you start touting that
they support your idiotic flood myth. You failed again.

Announcing the day you will run away like the lying coward you are, is
another sign of your narcissistic nature.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On May 4, 12:49 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <eMQor.21950$%K4.9...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 5/4/2012 3:30 AM, Jason wrote:
> > > In article<DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus

> > > <aug.r...@gmail.com>  wrote:

>
> > >> On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > >>> In article

> > >>> <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >>>    Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >>>> In article

> > >>>> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> Devils

And if you go to the 7 and a half floor of a certain Manhattan office
building, you'll enter John Malkovich's mind.

It's all fiction Jason. Else you could provide even a smidgen of
evidence to support these preposterous stories.

---
a.a. #2273

[Jason]

In article
<e8faad5c-d455-469a...@t2g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>, Yap
<hhya...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On May 3, 11:43=A0pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
> > On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > In article

> > > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, Dev=
> ils
> > > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > >> On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>=
> ,
> > >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into an=
> d
> > >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any ki=
> nd
> > >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived thro=

> ugh
> > >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >
> > >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > >>> about that subject.
> >
> > >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > >> the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood

> > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global flo=

The river at the bottom of the canyon has also played a role. My last post
in this thread will be Sunday.

[Jason]

In article
<b9d883e0-7578-4a30...@cl4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 4, 2:29=A0pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On May 3, 11:43=A0pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > In article

> > > > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com>, D=
> evils
> > > > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > > >> On May 3, 5:41=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.or=
> g>,
> > > >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> =A0wrote:
> >
> > > <snip>
> >
> > > >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into =
> and
> > > >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any =
> kind
> > > >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived th=

> rough
> > > >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >

> > > >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide detai=

> ls
> > > >>> about that subject.
> >
> > > >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood
> > > >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you about
> > > >> the biblical flood account?
> >

> > > > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global Flo=
> od
> > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a global f=
> lood
> > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any glob=

> al
> > > > flood legends related to Egypt.
> >
> > > And I did the same search, and found that all the sites that said Egypt
> > > had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age sites,
> > > and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving

> > > references to any work by any historian or anthropologist or ethnologis=

> t
> > > who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.
> >
> > > IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, and
> > > reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
> > > non-global-flood side.
> >
> > > But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next time
> > > this comes up, will it, Jason?
> >
> > > > I did not do any google searches related
> > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > I not only did google searches on the other civilizations that were in
> > > existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them in
> > > both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology courses
> > > at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological facts
> > > support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.
> >

> > > Repeat, there is *no, none, nada, kein, zip, bupkus, zero* historical o=

> r
> > > archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-third
> > > millennium BC.
> >
> > > And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the
> > > Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever in
> > > the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?
> >
> > > I guess you do expect us to believe that.
> >
> > How would great Canyon be cut by flooding in one year to such a depth?
> > It would take a million years for that kind of canyon to be formed.
>
> The YECs seem to think that the layers of sediment were laid down by
> Ye Floode and therefore were stil soft when the waters sluiced off the
> land. Unfortunately, they neglect to explain how mile high cliffs of
> mud stay up!

The river also played a role.

[Jason]

In article
<a2b5efb4-93a4-4c96...@e15g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 3, 10:25=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <6ae03c89-953d-426e-a56a-ce9cc0094...@l4g2000pbv.googlegroups.com>, harry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > On May 2, 10:58=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article

> > > > <6d8b31cb-72eb-47f3-bfe1-81f134a22...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com>, =
> harr=3D
> > > y
> >
> > > > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > On May 2, 9:46=3D3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article

> > > > > > <5d6cf5e8-9c5f-41a6-9fcc-b1a638166...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.co=
> m>, =3D
> > > harr=3D3D
> > > > > y
> >
> > > <major snip of JS> =A0JS - Jason shit
> >
> > > > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > > > God could have done it several different ways. One pastor claimed=
> God=3D
> > > =A0use=3D3D
> > > > > d
> > > > > > Noah's Flood to do it since it was God way of letting everyone kn=
> ow t=3D
> > > hat
> > > > > > he was cleansing the world of evil people.
> >
> > > > > OMG! =3DA0 ROFLMAO!!!. =3DA0So he kills everybody and then explains=
> to them
> > > > > =3DA0why? =3DA0JAAYYYZUSSS!!!
> >
> > > > > The next time--God will use
> > > > > > FIRE to destroy the evil people that are in the world at that tim=
> e. A=3D
> > > fter
> > > > > > that fire is over, God will create a perfect world on this earth-=
> -rea=3D
> > > d th=3D3D
> > > > > e
> > > > > > last two chapters of the Bible to find out the details of what th=
> at n=3D
> > > ew
> > > > > > world will be like. Also, see John 3:16.
> >
> > > > > So why didn't he create that perfect world the first time. =3DA0Aft=
> er all
> > > > > he is
> > > > > =3DA0"all knowing' and therefore knew his first attempt would fail.=
> .;and
> > > > > his second.
> >
> > > > > What, He is so incompetent he needs practice to get it right?
> >
> > > > > Harry K
> >
> > > > No--it's more complicated. God has given people two chances to get it
> > > > right and we failed both times. The third time--God will take over th=
> e
> > > > earth and will get it right. Read the last two chapters of the Bible =
> for
> > > > the details. The third time is the charm.
> >
> > > So you admit he needed two tries, read practice, and still didn't get
> > > it right.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > He learned that mankind can't rule the world. The next time--after the
> > world is destroyed with Fire--God will make the earth into a paradise and
> > will take control over the earth--read the last two chapters to find out
> > what that world will be like. Read this:

> >
> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
> >
> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of

> > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other livin=

> g
> > things and that living things only produce more living things like

> > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis wil=

> l
> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
> >

> > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal t=

> o
> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people

> > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
> >
> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=

> .
> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > that it did not happen.
> >

> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending

> > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend wit=
> h
> > Mary.

> >
> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > day.
> >

> > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunne=

> l
> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the

> > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day=
> .
> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
> n
> > her wrists.
>
> Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?

yes

[tirebiter]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-04051...@66-53-218-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

>>
>> Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
>
> yes
>
>
>

No it wasn't. It wasn't necessary once. You are announcing that you are
running away like a coward. It was expected.

---
a.a. #2273

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <XnsA048470AE7324...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
>
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-6DF3B8...@news.eternal-september.org>, David

> > > Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article

> > >> <Jason-01051...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > In article

> > >> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,
> > >> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > >

> > >> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all
> > >> > > > > the oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of
> > >> > > > > that. There is no way your canopy could contain that much
> > >> > > > > water and still have sunlight come through. Not to mention
> > >> > > > > that the heat and pressure of the earth under such a canopy
> > >> > > > > would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is nowhere for
> > >> > > > > the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > >> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of
> > >> > > > > holding water would have been full. And still, there would
> > >> > > > > have been enough water to cover the earth to a depth of 5.5
> > >> > > > > miles. Where did it go?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
> > >> > >

> > >> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers
> > >> > > so the "issue" is still wide open.
> > >> >
> > >> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood
> > >> > water and after the flood was over--God could have caused the
> > >> > excessive water to be placed on another planet.
> > >>

> > >> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and

> > >> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any

> > >> kind of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived

> > >> through ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.

> > >
> > > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > > about that subject.
> >
> >

> > Since when has that stopped you?
> >
> > The Bible doesn't provide any details about
> > this "canopy" but you believe IT well enough.
>
> Only because it explains the source of the Noah's Flood water.

Since it is a physical impossibility, it does no such thing.

[Caranx latus]

On May 4, 1:44 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

<snip>

> > > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:

<snip>

> > Was it really necessary to repeat this cri de coeur FIVE times?
>
> yes

Umm... no. There is no need for you to announce the reason or the date
for your departure. You're not that important. No one is.

I don't even know why you're waiting for Sunday. If there are problems
that you need to deal with, deal with them. Planned procrastination is
nothing more than hoping that the problems go away on their own.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-04051...@66-53-218-248.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

How many times are you going to tell us that.

BTW, you did nothing to support your idea of when the flood occurred,
since the Egyptians, and several other civilizations never noticed their
drowning and just kept merrily living along. I wonder how that happened.

[Jason]

In article
<96bd2af3-bc86-4ff0...@ot8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry
k <turnk...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 3, 11:58=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-896141.19065303052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-0305121338150...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-2BA399.07142003052...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-0205122141440...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september=

> .org>,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >

> > > > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwes=

> t.com>,
> > > > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article

> > > > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroup=

> s.com>,
> > > > > > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > > > [snip]

> > > > > > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible a=

> nswers
> > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >
> > > > > > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's
> > > > Flood water

> > > > > > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the exces=

> sive
> > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > be placed on another planet.
> >

> > > > > > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water in=

> to and
> > > > > > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of
> > any kind
> > > > > > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived
> > through
> > > > > > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >

> > > > > > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide det=

> ails
> > > > > > about that subject.
> >
> > > > > In your scenario, God left no evidence that a flood occurred, and

> > > > > copious amounts of evidence that it never did. Therefore, if there =
> was a
> > > > > flood, God lied about it. That means that the god you worship is a =
> liar.
> >
> > > > The Bible is not a science book. The story about the flood was passed=
> down
> > > > from generation to generation (oral tradition) until Moses wrote down=
> the
> > > > story. That is probably the reason lots of details got left out. It's=

> too
> > > > bad we don't have a witness to what the world was like prior to the
> > > > flood--such as--was there a canopy?
> >
> > > You are changing the subject again, which you always seem to do when

> > > caught in a lie. The fact is there is no evidence for a worldwide flood=

> ,
> > > physical or biological. There are a number of civilizations that seemed
> > > not to have noticed that they had all drowned, which is not good
> > > evidence for the flood. Finally, much of the flood is physically
> > > impossible, since you still haven't been able to come up with an
> > > explanation of where the water came from and where it went. Therefore,
> > > if there was a flood, it is clear that God lie, since he seemingly hid
> > > all evidence of its ocurrence.
> >
> > God is a miracle working God and use miracles to make it all happen.
>
> For that explanation to work you also have to explain why he would:
> 1. Hide all the evidence there was a flood.
> 2. Trick you by manufacturing evidence showing no such flood occured.
> 3. Somehow forget to send the flood over Egypt, China and several
> other civilisations tht lived right through it.
>
> Harry K

The evidence is present such as the Grand Canyon. Ocean Fish Fossils have
been found at the top of the Grand Canyon.

I googled "Global Flood legends Egypt" and got some hits about a global
flood that happened in Egypt. Yes, they were Christian sites.

[Wombat]

On May 4, 6:51 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-E67DB8.06352404052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0405120030440...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus

> > > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > In article

> > > > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > >   Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > >> In article

> > > > >> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > >> Devils
> > > > >> Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Was this flud the same date you plagiarised from Jimmy Ussher et al.?
Remember the Old Kingdom?
As for the other, perhaps hurrah, though I may have to find more
productive ways to spend my time.

[Wombat]

On May 4, 7:43 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <b9d883e0-7578-4a30-97de-8d74ffd95...@cl4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,

Since a flud does not produce meanders even you have to admit that.
However, you never did explain how mile high mud cliffs did not slump.

[Wombat]

On May 4, 7:44 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <a2b5efb4-93a4-4c96-b220-51a8d2ea4...@e15g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

This is your problem. If you had a reasonable answer, my post would
not be necessary. Multiply that by all the other times you give a
"unhelpful" answer and the reason for your carpal tunnel syndrome is
obvious, as well as your record breaking post numbers.

[Wombat]

On May 4, 8:34 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <96bd2af3-bc86-4ff0-86e7-293bd0216...@ot8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harry

ENOUGH. Before you bugger off, at least have the honesty to supply
details of these fish that you keep asserting, but never produce.

>
> I googled "Global Flood legends Egypt" and got some hits about a global
> flood that happened in Egypt. Yes, they were Christian sites.

When was this "Global" flud?

[Jason]

In article
<48137920-d190-41be...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 4, 8:34=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <96bd2af3-bc86-4ff0-86e7-293bd0216...@ot8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>, harr=
> y
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > k <turnkey4...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > On May 3, 11:58=3DA0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-896141.19065303052...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-0305121338150...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article <dfritzin-2BA399.07142003052...@news.eternal-september=
> .org=3D

> > > >,
> > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > <Jason-0205122141440...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-septe=
> mber=3D

> > > .org>,
> > > > > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >

> > > > > > > > > In article <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pa=
> cwes=3D
> > > t.com>,
> > > > > > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article
> > > > > > > > > > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googleg=
> roup=3D

> > > s.com>,
> > > > > > > > > > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > [snip]

> > > > > > > > > > > Since you have never come up with any physically possib=
> le a=3D

> > > nswers
> > > > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > > > the "issue" is still wide open.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > God is a miracle working God so could have created the No=
> ah's
> > > > > > Flood water
> > > > > > > > > > and after the flood was over--God could have caused the e=
> xces=3D

> > > sive
> > > > > > > > > > water
> > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > be placed on another planet.
> >

> > > > > > > > > IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the wate=
> r in=3D
> > > to and
> > > > > > > > > out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence =
> of
> > > > any kind
> > > > > > > > > of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations l=

> ived
> > > > through
> > > > > > > > > ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >

> > > > > > > > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide=
> det=3D
> > > ails
> > > > > > > > about that subject.
> >
> > > > > > > In your scenario, God left no evidence that a flood occurred, a=
> nd
> > > > > > > copious amounts of evidence that it never did. Therefore, if th=
> ere =3D
> > > was a
> > > > > > > flood, God lied about it. That means that the god you worship i=
> s a =3D
> > > liar.
> >
> > > > > > The Bible is not a science book. The story about the flood was pa=
> ssed=3D
> > > =A0down
> > > > > > from generation to generation (oral tradition) until Moses wrote =
> down=3D
> > > =A0the
> > > > > > story. That is probably the reason lots of details got left out. =
> It's=3D
> > > =A0too
> > > > > > bad we don't have a witness to what the world was like prior to t=

> he
> > > > > > flood--such as--was there a canopy?
> >

> > > > > You are changing the subject again, which you always seem to do whe=
> n
> > > > > caught in a lie. The fact is there is no evidence for a worldwide f=
> lood=3D
> > > ,
> > > > > physical or biological. There are a number of civilizations that se=

> emed
> > > > > not to have noticed that they had all drowned, which is not good
> > > > > evidence for the flood. Finally, much of the flood is physically
> > > > > impossible, since you still haven't been able to come up with an

> > > > > explanation of where the water came from and where it went. Therefo=
> re,
> > > > > if there was a flood, it is clear that God lie, since he seemingly =

> hid
> > > > > all evidence of its ocurrence.
> >
> > > > God is a miracle working God and use miracles to make it all happen.
> >
> > > For that explanation to work you also have to explain why he would:

> > > 1. =A0Hide all the evidence there was a flood.
> > > 2. =A0Trick you by manufacturing evidence showing no such flood occured=
> .
> > > 3. =A0Somehow forget to send the flood over Egypt, China and several

> > > other civilisations tht lived right through it.
> >
> > > Harry K
> >
> > The evidence is present such as the Grand Canyon. Ocean Fish Fossils have
> > been found at the top of the Grand Canyon.
>
> ENOUGH. Before you bugger off, at least have the honesty to supply
> details of these fish that you keep asserting, but never produce.
>
> >
> > I googled "Global Flood legends Egypt" and got some hits about a global
> > flood that happened in Egypt. Yes, they were Christian sites.
>
> When was this "Global" flud?

My latest guess---2349-2348 B.C.

[Jason]

In article
<37ed5436-fa22-49e8...@u11g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 4, 7:43=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <b9d883e0-7578-4a30-97de-8d74ffd95...@cl4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> > > On May 4, 2:29=3DA0pm, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On May 3, 11:43=3DA0pm, Tom McDonald <tmcdonald2...@charter.net> wrot=

> e:
> >
> > > > > On 5/3/2012 12:54 AM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > In article

> > > > > > <5892a762-1dfe-41be-9c4e-a478c43ac...@p6g2000yqi.googlegroups.com=
> >, D=3D
> > > evils
> > > > > > Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> =3DA0wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> On May 3, 5:41=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > >>> In article<dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-septembe=
> r.or=3D
> > > g>,
> > > > > >>> David Fritzinger<dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> =3DA0wrote:
> >
> > > > > <snip>
> >
> > > > > >>>> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water i=
> nto =3D
> > > and
> > > > > >>>> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of =
> any =3D
> > > kind
> > > > > >>>> of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations live=
> d th=3D

> > > rough
> > > > > >>>> ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
> >

> > > > > >>> I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide d=
> etai=3D

> > > ls
> > > > > >>> about that subject.
> >
> > > > > >> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged flood

> > > > > >> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you a=

> bout
> > > > > >> the biblical flood account?
> >

> > > > > > I don't know. I only done a quick google search related to Global=
> Flo=3D
> > > od
> > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a glob=
> al f=3D
> > > lood
> > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any =
> glob=3D

> > > al
> > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt.
> >

> > > > > And I did the same search, and found that all the sites that said E=
> gypt
> > > > > had legends of a global flood were either Christian or New Age site=

> s,
> > > > > and that they all cribbed from each other without *ever* giving

> > > > > references to any work by any historian or anthropologist or ethnol=
> ogis=3D

> > > t
> > > > > who had actually studied ancient Egyptian culture.
> >

> > > > > IOW, you found bullshit fantasies and outright lies on your side, a=

> nd
> > > > > reasonably decent to excellent scholarship on the other, truthful,
> > > > > non-global-flood side.
> >

> > > > > But that won't stop you from repeating this lie of yours the next t=

> ime
> > > > > this comes up, will it, Jason?
> >
> > > > > > I did not do any google searches related
> > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >

> > > > > I not only did google searches on the other civilizations that were=
> in
> > > > > existence in the mid-third millennium BC, but I have studied them i=
> n
> > > > > both history courses at the bachelor's level and in archaeology cou=
> rses
> > > > > at the graduate level. None of the historical or archaeological fac=

> ts
> > > > > support a global flood at that time. Or, really, at any time.
> >

> > > > > Repeat, there is *no, none, nada, kein, zip, bupkus, zero* historic=
> al o=3D
> > > r
> > > > > archaeological evidence for a world-engulfing flood in the mid-thir=

> d
> > > > > millennium BC.
> >
> > > > > And you expect us to believe that a global flood that could cut the

> > > > > Grand Canyon in weeks or months would leave no evidence whatsoever =

> in
> > > > > the household goods of cultures we know extremely, extremely well?
> >
> > > > > I guess you do expect us to believe that.
> >

> > > > How would great Canyon be cut by flooding in one year to such a depth=

> ?
> > > > It would take a million years for that kind of canyon to be formed.
> >
> > > The YECs seem to think that the layers of sediment were laid down by
> > > Ye Floode and therefore were stil soft when the waters sluiced off the

> > > land. =A0Unfortunately, they neglect to explain how mile high cliffs of

> > > mud stay up!
> >
> > The river also played a role.
>
> Since a flud does not produce meanders even you have to admit that.
> However, you never did explain how mile high mud cliffs did not slump.

I don't know the answer.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-015890...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I don't know if that is true or false. I have already mentioned that I
googled something like "Global flood legends Egypt".

Some sites said there are not global flood legends in Egypt but some
Christian sites claimed there are global flood legends in relation to
Egypt.

[Tom McDonald]

What would happen with the maybe 75% of men who wouldn't have wives? I
assume you know that, on average, there are just about the same number
of women as there are of men.

Why would multiple wives solve anything? The same effect could be
achieved with monogamy, and having many children that survived to reproduce.

[Jason]

In article
<d194841c-b430-4285...@m15g2000vbh.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On May 4, 6:51=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-E67DB8.06352404052...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-0405120030440...@66-53-213-6.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
> > > > <aug.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > > On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > > In article
> > > > > > <Jason-0305121319380...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > > =A0 Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> In article

> > > > > >> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.co=
> m>,
> > > > > >> Devils
> > > > > >> Advocaat<mankygo...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:

> >
> > > > > >>> On May 3, 7:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > >>> [snipped for brevity]
> >

> > > > > >>>>>>> Since several civilisations continued through this alleged =
> flood
> > > > > >>>>>>> without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to =
> you
> > > > > >>>>>>> abou=3D

> > > > > >>> t
> > > > > >>>>>>> the biblical flood account?
> >
> > > > > >>>>>> I don't know.
> >
> > > > > >>>>> Really?
> >
> > > > > >>>>>> I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood
> > > > > >>>>>> Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a
> > global

> > > > > >>>>>> f=3D
> > > > > >>> lood
> > > > > >>>>>> did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT=
> any
> > > > > >>>>>> glob=3D
> > > > > >>> al
> > > > > >>>>>> flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google sear=
> ches
> > > > > >>>>>> rela=3D

> > > > > >>> ted
> > > > > >>>>>> to those other cultures that were mentioned.
> >
> > > > > >>>>> I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
> >

> > > > > >>>>> You've been told that several civilisations passed through th=

> e time
> > > > > >>>>> your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
> >

> > > > > >>>>> Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have =

> from
> > > > > >>>>> them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
> >
> > > > > >>>>> Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
> >

> > > > > >>>>> Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by jus=

> t
> > six of
> > > > > >>>>> those people.
> >
> > > > > >>>>> Now try and think.
> >
> > > > > >>>>> Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
> >
> > > > > >>>>> What does that say to you about the biblical account?
> >
> > > > > >>>>> It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
> >

> > > > > >>>> It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have =

> used
> > > > > >>>> miracles to make it happen.
> >
> > > > > >>> That doesn't address my question and you know it.
> >
> > > > > >>> Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
> >

> > > > > >>> Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to t=

> he
> > > > > >>> question.
> >
> > > > > >> You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and
> > God made
> > > > > >> it
> > > > > >> happen. We believe the population started with just two
> > people--Adam and
> > > > > >> Eve.
> >

> > > > > >> There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the cre=
> ation
> > > > > >> thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was =

> able to
> > > > > >> find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were
> > > > > >> "left-overs"

> > > > > >> from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he marrie=

> d
> > one of
> > > > > >> his sisters.
> >

> > > > > >> I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if=

> every
> > > > > >> man
> > > > > >> has several wives.
> >

> > > > > > Do you want to run that one by us again? There were 8 people. Noa=
> h and
> > > > > > his wife, their 3 sons and their wives. How on earth could each o=

> f them
> > > > > > have several wives?
> >
> > > > > Polyamory. I'm really surprised that Jason suggested this.
> >
> > > > > <snip>
> >
> > > > I was referring to future generations. If they all had 20 or more

> > > > children--future generations would have lots of people. If each man h=
> ad
> > > > several wives and 20 children per woman--the population would have gr=

> own
> > > > very quickly in about a dozen generations.
> >
> > > Too bad the Egyptians, etc. never noticed the flood that killed them,
> > > and kept on merrily living through the deluge.
> >

> > Some websites did mention a global flood in Egypt--they were all Christia=

> n
> > sites according to one poster. My last post in this thread will be on
> > Sunday.
>
> Was this flud the same date you plagiarised from Jimmy Ussher et al.?
> Remember the Old Kingdom?
> As for the other, perhaps hurrah, though I may have to find more
> productive ways to spend my time.

Good for you.

[Jason]

In article <UuWor.78860$YM2...@newsfe05.iad>, Tom McDonald

Because in those days--it was common for everyone to be married--and that
is the reason men married more than one wife. It was considered to be
"dishonor" if a woman was unmarried and did not have children.

[tirebiter]

On May 4, 3:44 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <48137920-d190-41be-bce9-3883a4d2c...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Wombat

Why didn't it destroy any of the thriving civilizations all around the
world?

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-04051...@67-150-126-5.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article <UuWor.78860$YM2...@newsfe05.iad>, Tom McDonald
> <tmcdon...@charter.net> wrote:
>
>> On 5/4/2012 2:30 AM, Jason wrote:
>> > In article<DAFor.93$fs3...@news.usenetserver.com>, Caranx latus
>> > <aug....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 5/3/2012 6:39 PM, David Fritzinger wrote:
>> >>> In article
>> >>> <Jason-03051...@66-53-215-169.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> >>> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> In article

>> >>>> <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-
be03de...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com

So you are now in favor of polygamy?

---
a.a. #2273

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-04051...@67-150-126-5.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You don't know if it is true? Surely you jest. We have records from just
before the supposed time of the supposed flood, and we have records just
after that time. None said anything about everyone drowning. How could
they have missed it?

>
> Some sites said there are not global flood legends in Egypt but some
> Christian sites claimed there are global flood legends in relation to
> Egypt.

Which is pretty stupid, when you think about it, since their written
history runs right through the supposed time of the supposed flood,

[Devils Advocaat]

On May 4, 5:36 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <204f1324-db80-46e9-8766-38bfd4af4...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Devils
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > On May 3, 9:19=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > In article

> > > <710c9025-203c-4655-8b45-be03de77f...@o6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> > s
>
> > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > On May 3, 7:27=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > [snipped for brevity]
>

> > > > > > > > Since several civilisations continued through this alleged floo=
> > d
> > > > > > > > without even getting their toes wet, what does that say to you =
> > abou=3D

> > > > t
> > > > > > > > the biblical flood account?
>
> > > > > > > I don't know.
>
> > > > > > Really?
>
> > > > > > > I only done a quick google search related to Global Flood

> > > > > > > Legends in Egypt and the results were some sites that said a glob=
> > al f=3D
> > > > lood
> > > > > > > did happen in Egypt and other sites said that there were NOT any =
> > glob=3D
> > > > al
> > > > > > > flood legends related to Egypt. I did not do any google searches =
> > rela=3D

> > > > ted
> > > > > > > to those other cultures that were mentioned.
>
> > > > > > I didn't ask you to google flood legends of other cultures.
>
> > > > > > You've been told that several civilisations passed through the time
> > > > > > your alleged flood was supposed to have happened.
>
> > > > > > Those civilisations make no mention, in what records we have from
> > > > > > them, that there was any such catastrophic global flood.
>
> > > > > > Yet your bible account says only eight people survived.
>

> > > > > > Your bible account also says the world was repopulated by just six =

> > of
> > > > > > those people.
>
> > > > > > Now try and think.
>
> > > > > > Given the actual evidence and what your bible says.
>
> > > > > > What does that say to you about the biblical account?
>
> > > > > > It's a simple question, with a simple answer.
>
> > > > > It's very simple--God is a miracle working God and could have used
> > > > > miracles to make it happen.
>
> > > > That doesn't address my question and you know it.
>
> > > > Now don't ask me to repeat the question.
>
> > > > Go back and read it and the points that I raised that lead to the
> > > > question.
>

> > > You already know my point of view--Noah's Flood did happen and God made i=

> > t
> > > happen. We believe the population started with just two people--Adam and
> > > Eve.
>
> > > There is one belief among some Christians that God tried the creation
> > > thing once before Adam and Eve and that was the reason Cain was able to
> > > find a wife in a nearby town. Those people in that town were "left-overs"
> > > from the first creation. I don't believe it. I believe he married one of
> > > his sisters.
>

> > > I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started--esp. if every ma=
> > n
> > > has several wives.
>
> > How could they have had several wives?
>
> The children and grandchildren and great grandchildren--Let's say there
> were 20 to 30 men and 30 to 50 women. In those cases--some of the men
> could have more than one wife and each of the wives would have about 15 to
> 20 children. The people lived longer in those days according to the
> information in the book of Genesis.
>
You posted "I believe it is possible for 8 people to get it started --

esp. if every man has several wives".

Ergo, you were referring to the eight on the ark, not those that were
born from them.

People's lives were actually shorter then.

Why do you think that young girls were betrothed to men old enough to
be their fathers?

>
> > > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
> > > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>
> > > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
> > > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
> > > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
> > > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
> > > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other livin=
> > g
> > > things and that living things only produce more living things like
> > > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis wil=
> > l
> > > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
> > > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
> > > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>

> > You got that right, especially as all the evidence shows you are
> > wrong.

Funny how you didn't address this point.

>
> > > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal t=
> > o
> > > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
> > > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
> > > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
> > > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
> > > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
>

> > And you've been told while you might find it morally repugnant and
> > unacceptable, it is not murder. And you've been told why that is the
> > case.
>
> Yes, that is what lots of people believe.

It's not a case of people believing it.

It's a fact of legislation.

Get over it.

> Back in the 1970's--the staff
> members of Planned Parenthood would tell people that a fetus was nothing
> but a glob of tissue. They can't get away with that lie anymore. Due to
> the new types of color ultrasound machines--it's easy to determine that a
> third term fetus is an unborn baby and looks just like a baby. It is even
> possible to determine the sex of the unborn baby. It's not a glob of
> tissue--it's an unborn baby. The advocates of abortion in some states go
> to court to put an end to any state laws that require pregnant women to
> see ultrasounds of their babies before they can get an abortion. Think
> about--why do you believe that is true? Hint--they don't want pregnant
> women to realize that there is an unborn baby (not a glob of tissue) that
> is inside of them.
>
Have you ever examined the progress of development of an embryo?

This is an embryo at about 41 days after fertilization:

http://embryo.soad.umich.edu/carnStages/stage17/Animations/11422heartRotate.html

If I didn't tell you that this was a human embryo and you just saw it
without any other information.

Would you know it was human?

>
> > > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=
> > .
> > > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
> > > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
> > > that it did not happen.
>

> > We know it didn't happen, because there is no observable evidence for
> > it.

Gee, why didn't you address this point?

>
> > > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
> > > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
> > > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
> > > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
> > > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend wit=
> > h
> > > Mary.
>

> > So you go to Mary's house to help her, and you spend most of your time
> > on the computer while there.
>
> Actually, I go to my neighbor's (named Sarah) house to help her take care
> of her 81 year old disabled father. Mary lives with me in my home.
>
So it's at Sarah's house that your faster computer lives?
>
> > No wonder she's annoyed with you.

Admit it, she's annoyed with you, isn't she?

>
> > > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
> > > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
> > > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
> > > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
> > > day.
>

> > The best thing for a bad back, which was demonstrated years ago here
> > in the UK, is regular, gentle exercise. Why? Because sitting, or
> > laying down for too long each day makes the back muscles weaker.

Gee, no response to this, why's that Jason?

>
> > > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunne=
> > l
> > > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
> > > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
> > > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
> > > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day=
> > .
> > > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
> > n
> > > her wrists.
>

> > No one's fault but your own.
>
> You are correct--that is why my last post in this thread will be Sunday.

[Devils Advocaat]

On May 3, 9:26 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <XnsA048470AE7324nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> >news:Jason-02051...@66-53-223-166.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com:
>
> > > In article
> > > <dfritzin-6DF3B8.18550501052...@news.eternal-september.org>, David

> > > Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> In article

> > >> <Jason-0105121445420...@66-53-220-7.stkn.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > In article

> > >> > <ffbf152b-0786-48c9-a23f-2574263d3...@m31g2000vbn.googlegroups.com>,

> > >> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > Jason, you are talking about needing enough water to fill all
> > >> > > > > the oceans, with water to a depth of 5.5 miles on top of
> > >> > > > > that. There is no way your canopy could contain that much
> > >> > > > > water and still have sunlight come through. Not to mention
> > >> > > > > that the heat and pressure of the earth under such a canopy
> > >> > > > > would not let life ever form. LIkewise, there is nowhere for
> > >> > > > > the water to go. The oceans would have been full. Lakes
> > >> > > > > would have been full. Any underground cavern capable of
> > >> > > > > holding water would have been full. And still, there would
> > >> > > > > have been enough water to cover the earth to a depth of 5.5
> > >> > > > > miles. Where did it go?
>
> > >> > > > We have discussed that issue before.
>

> > >> > > Since you have never come up with any physically possible answers

> > >> > > so the "issue" is still wide open.
>

> > >> > God is a miracle working God so could have created the Noah's Flood

> > >> > water and after the flood was over--God could have caused the

> > >> > excessive water to be placed on another planet.
>
> > >> IOW, you are saying God lied to us, when he poofed the water into and
> > >> out of existence, and caused a flood that left no evidence of any
> > >> kind of its presence. Not only that, but several civilizations lived

> > >> through ye Floode without noticing they had all drowned.
>

> > > I did not say that God lied to us. The Bible does not provide details
> > > about that subject.
>
> >    Since when has that stopped you?
>
> >    The Bible doesn't provide any details about
> > this "canopy" but you believe IT well enough.
>
> Only because it explains the source of the Noah's Flood water.

You have no evidence this alleged canopy existed.

You have no evidence the alleged flood happened.

So you are propping up one lie with another.

Your house of cards is under threat from the facts.

There was no canopy.

There was no flood.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-04051...@67-150-126-5.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:

> In article
> <48137920-d190-41be...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>,
> Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>
>> On May 4, 8:34=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <96bd2af3-bc86-4ff0-86e7-293bd0216...@ot8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>,
>> > harr=
>> y
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >

>> > > > God is a miracle working God and use miracles to make it all
>> > > > happen.
>> >
>> > > For that explanation to work you also have to explain why he
>> > > would: 1. =A0Hide all the evidence there was a flood.
>> > > 2. =A0Trick you by manufacturing evidence showing no such flood
>> > > occured=
>> .
>> > > 3. =A0Somehow forget to send the flood over Egypt, China and
>> > > several other civilisations tht lived right through it.
>> >
>> > > Harry K
>> >
>> > The evidence is present such as the Grand Canyon. Ocean Fish
>> > Fossils have been found at the top of the Grand Canyon.
>>
>> ENOUGH. Before you bugger off, at least have the honesty to supply
>> details of these fish that you keep asserting, but never produce.

<crickets> from Jason.

>>
>> >
>> > I googled "Global Flood legends Egypt" and got some hits about a
>> > global flood that happened in Egypt. Yes, they were Christian
>> > sites.
>>
>> When was this "Global" flud?
>
> My latest guess---2349-2348 B.C.

c. 2345 BC: Sixth dynasty of Egypt starts

c. 2340 BC – 2180 BC: Akkadian Empire.

c. 2334 BC – 2279 BC: Semitic chieftain Sargon of
Akkad's conquest of Sumer and Mesopotamia.
City of Lothal founded under the Indus valley civilization.

c. 2332 BC—Sargon of Akkad starts to rule

c. 2334 BC – 2279 BC: (short chronology) Sargon of Akkad's
conquest of Mesopotamia.

c. 2333 BC: Beginning of the Gojoseon, the first dynasty
and government system in Korea.

c. 2300 BC: Canal Bahr Yusuf (current name) is created
when the waterway from the Nile to the natural lake
(now Lake Moeris) is widened and deepened to create a canal.



Seems your flood wasn't so "global".

Heck, it doesn't seem to been even local......

[Landis Ragon]

On Fri, 04 May 2012 09:36:40 -0700, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

>In article

><204f1324-db80-46e9...@v2g2000vbx.googlegroups.com>, Devils
>Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> On May 3, 9:19=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > In article

How is that any better than 30 to 50 men and 30 to 50 women? one man
with multiple wives *WON'T* reproduce faster than each woman having
her own individual husband. In fact, polygamy might even be worse.
What if *one* of those 20 to 30 men were infertile?
And with fewer men in the gene pool, genetic diversity would be
reduced which could have drastic long-term consequences.

>> >
>> > After about two or three more days, I don't plan to respond to very many
>> > more posts in this tread. The reasons are:
>> >
>> > 1. Albert Einstein once stated: "The definition of insanity is doing the
>> > same thing over and over again and expecting different results." I once
>> > believed that is was possible to convince the advocates of abiogenesis
>> > that life could NOT evolve from non-living matter. In fact, the Law of
>> > Biogenesis clearly states that living things always come from other livin=
>> g
>> > things and that living things only produce more living things like
>> > themselves. However, I now realize that many advocates of abiogenesis wil=
>> l
>> > NEVER be convinced by anyone that the Law of Biogenesis is a valid theory
>> > in much the same way that the law of gravity is a valid theory. It's
>> > insanity to continue to try to convince people that I am correct.
>>
>> You got that right, especially as all the evidence shows you are
>> wrong.
>> >

>> > 2. I once believed that I could convince people that abortion was equal t=
>> o
>> > murder. The exceptions were to save the life of the mother or to remove
>> > dead fetuses from a woman's body. I failed to accomplish that goal. Many
>> > people appeared to me to honestly believe that the killing of an unborn
>> > baby was NOT murder. It's insanity to continue to try to convince people
>> > that I am correct. Abortion=3DMurder
>>
>> And you've been told while you might find it morally repugnant and
>> unacceptable, it is not murder. And you've been told why that is the
>> case.
>

>Yes, that is what lots of people believe. Back in the 1970's--the staff

>members of Planned Parenthood would tell people that a fetus was nothing
>but a glob of tissue. They can't get away with that lie anymore. Due to
>the new types of color ultrasound machines--it's easy to determine that a
>third term fetus is an unborn baby and looks just like a baby. It is even
>possible to determine the sex of the unborn baby. It's not a glob of
>tissue--it's an unborn baby. The advocates of abortion in some states go
>to court to put an end to any state laws that require pregnant women to
>see ultrasounds of their babies before they can get an abortion. Think
>about--why do you believe that is true? Hint--they don't want pregnant
>women to realize that there is an unborn baby (not a glob of tissue) that
>is inside of them.
>
>
>> >

>> > 3. We came to an impasse on several different issues such as Noah's Flood=
>> .
>> > I ended up having to respond to the same questions dozens of different
>> > times. I believe that Noah's Flood happened but lots of posters believe
>> > that it did not happen.
>>
>> We know it didn't happen, because there is no observable evidence for
>> it.
>> >

>> > 4. On some days, I responded to over a 100 posts. Mary claims that I am
>> > addicted to the internet. She told me that responding to posts is
>> > preventing me from getting various jobs or chores done. She is correct.
>> > Responding to posts is also limiting the quality time that I am spending
>> > with Mary. The end result will be that I will have more time to spend wit=
>> h
>> > Mary.
>>
>> So you go to Mary's house to help her, and you spend most of your time
>> on the computer while there.
>
>Actually, I go to my neighbor's (named Sarah) house to help her take care
>of her 81 year old disabled father. Mary lives with me in my home.
>>

>> No wonder she's annoyed with you.
>> >

>> > 5. I hurt my back last year so stopped exercising. I have heart disease.
>> > My cardiologist said that I need to start walking at least a mile per day
>> > since it will help to treat my heart disease problems. I also need to do
>> > back exercises each day--even if it is painful to do back exercises each
>> > day.
>>
>> The best thing for a bad back, which was demonstrated years ago here
>> in the UK, is regular, gentle exercise. Why? Because sitting, or
>> laying down for too long each day makes the back muscles weaker.
>> >

>> > 6. And the last and final reason--I am developing some minor carpal tunne=
>> l
>> > snydrome problems. Responding to over 50 posts per day requires a lot of
>> > typing and cutting back on newsgroup posts will help make that problem go
>> > away--at least I hope so. I feel sorry for a lady that works at the
>> > grocery store--her job requires her to use the register 8 hours a per day=
>> .
>> > She has a major case of carpal tunnel syndrome and has to wear a device o=
>> n
>> > her wrists.
>>
>> No one's fault but your own.
>
>You are correct--that is why my last post in this thread will be Sunday.
>

At least with *THIS* screen name/account.