Claudius Denk wrote:
> On Feb 8, 6:53 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 6, 7:23 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > On Feb 5, 3:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvE...@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 30, 9:16 am, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > On Jan 30, 6:49 am, Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > > > > > > predatory sieges

> > > > > > McGinn (alias C. Denk): "Seasonal migration would
> > > > > > have been absolutely impossible for the earliest
> > > > > > hominids--A'pith."

> > > > > You failed to address any of the arguments I made that underlie this
> > > > > assertion: bipedalism not being good for migration, necessity of
> > > > > proximity to trees to evade predators, predator infested treeless
> > > > > habitat surrounding the treed, garden-like, communal site, etc.

> > > > > > Since A'piths ranged from Hadar to South Africa
> > > > > > and our tree-dependent cousins, chimps/gorillas,
> > > > > > did not it is impossible to falsify the
> > > > > > possibility A'piths migrated to South Africa on
> > > > > > the grasslands.

> > > > > That's a pretty dumb argument.  Some species of trees are wide
> > > > > ranging.  Certainly you wouldn't suggest that they are seasonally
> > > > > migrational.

> > > > That's a moronic argument. Bipedal australopiths (and later, homo)
> > > > ranged all over Africa. Do you think they FLEW?

> > > > > > The evidence at Laetoli shows the tracks were made
> > > > > > on a migration trail

> > > > > Reference?

> > > > LOL, JimJim wants a cite? HAHAHAHAH

> > > > Hey, it's up to you to be aware of the evidence. We don't do your homework
> > > > for you. Google is your friend.

> > > > > >  Since the evidence at Laetoli clearly shows hominids were not
> > > > > > present during the dry season,

> > > > > Reference?

> > > > Hey, it's up to you to be aware of the evidence. We don't do your homework
> > > > for you. Google is your friend.

> > > > > > there were no communities of
> > > > > > hominids left to shift to territorialism at that location.

> > > > > > Without a permanent source of water

> > > > > Evidence?  Reference?

> > > > Hey, it's up to you to be aware of the evidence. We don't do your homework
> > > > for you. Google is your friend.

> > > > > > (and a dry season lasting
> > > > > > most of the year) it would be impossible for year-round
> > > > > > garden-like occupation for hominids at Laetoli, territorial,
> > > > > > communal,
> > > > > > or otherwise.

> > > > > > "Thus, the balance of evidence suggests that the Laetoli
> > > > > > paleoenvironment was predominantly open woodland, with
> > > > > > significant portions of open bushland, shrubland,
> > > > > > and grassland (Su and Harrison 2008:7)."

> > > > > > "Reconstructed depositional environments and the absence of
> > > > > > aquatic elements in the fauna and flora at Laetoli indicate that there
> > > > > > were no permanent rivers or lakes. Water sources were apparently
> > > > > > restricted to springs and small seasonal rivers, streams, and ponds
> > > > > > (Hay, 1981, 1987; Harris, 1987; Bonnevlle and Riollet, 1987:8)."

> > > > > Is this not consistent with garden habitat?

> > > > No. Why would it?

> > > The best you could argue is that there is no evidence that positively
> > > confirms that there was garden habitat in the vicinity.  But seasonal
> > > dryness is not only not a problem for my hypothesis, it's essential.

> > Without an irrigation system during the lengthy dry season, garden-
> > like habitat  becomes just another  just-so story.

> Conclusions based on lack of evidence don't convince me much.

> > Of course they could have evolved a tongue like a rasp like the year-
> > round residents (rhinos, giraffes).
> > Tell me something Jim, what do acacia thorns taste like?