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National Geographic's "Becoming Human" and the Endurance Running fantasy

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JTEM

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Sep 29, 2012, 1:47:21 AM9/29/12
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So I inflicted episode-2 of the series on
myself, despite knowing what to expect,
and sure enough there were a couple of
real boners. The most obvious was the
whole "Persistence Hunting" -- i.e.
"Endurance Running."

Now I'll explain this in terms so simple that
even you will be able to grasp it, but your
astounding array of mental illnesses will
of course send you into a rage, causing you
to auto-post something you know to be
untrue but you "Feel" just as strongly about
it as you would if it were true, so that makes
it okay... or something like that.

Anyhow, the myth is that "Persistence Hunting"
-- chasing after prey until it drops/gives up
from exhaustion -- is what lead us to evolve into
"Endurance Runners." We are, after all,
evolved as runners... or so the myth goes.

But we'd have to be endurance runners FIRST.

Get it? We'd have to be endurance runners
FIRST in order for endurance running to have
shaped our evolution.

Understand?

We had to already be runners -- we had to have
already evolved this "Endurance Running" ability --
to be engaging in persistence hunting in the first
place.

THEY HAVE THE TAIL WAGGING THE DOG!

They have the same dog-wagging going on with
fire. They posit that fire allowed our ancestors to
live on the Savanna because the fire scared away
the predators. And it also formed us into cohesive
units -- families/tribes -- because we all gathered
around it to cook our meat (which we gathered
through persistence hunting) and for protection.

....but we'd have to already be on the meat diet
(hunting i.e. "Endurance Running") in order to start
cooking our meals. And we had to already be living
in such groups to be gathered there in the first
place. So we had to already be doing
what allowed us to do it!

Lee Olsen

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Sep 29, 2012, 9:42:46 AM9/29/12
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On Sep 28, 10:47 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I inflicted episode-2 of the series on
> myself, despite knowing what to expect,
> and sure enough there were a couple of
> real boners.  The most obvious was the
> whole "Persistence Hunting" -- i.e.
> "Endurance Running."
>
> Now I'll explain this in terms so simple

Thank you professor Chocolate for your thirdhand, quote free, data
free, trolling brain fart.
Apparently the only thing that is at your level of science is a TV
program.





JTEM

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Sep 30, 2012, 3:31:18 AM9/30/12
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I'll post this again, giving you a second
chance to take your meds and attempt
an adult response...


So I inflicted episode-2 of the series on
myself, despite knowing what to expect,
and sure enough there were a couple of
real boners. The most obvious was the
whole "Persistence Hunting" -- i.e.
"Endurance Running."

Lee Olsen

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Sep 30, 2012, 11:02:57 AM9/30/12
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On Sep 30, 12:31 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll post this again

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v432/n7015/full/nature03052.html
Dennis M. Bramble & Daniel E. Lieberman
Abstract
"Striding bipedalism is a key derived behaviour of hominids that
possibly originated soon after
the divergence of the chimpanzee and human lineages. Although bipedal
gaits include walking
and running, running is generally considered to have played no major
role in human evolution
because humans, like apes, are poor sprinters compared to most
quadrupeds. Here we assess
how well humans perform at sustained long-distance running, and
review the physiological and
anatomical bases of endurance running capabilities in humans and
other mammals. Judged by
several criteria, humans perform remarkably well at endurance running,
thanks to a diverse array
of features, many of which leave traces in the skeleton. The fossil
evidence of these features
suggests that endurance running is a derived capability of the genus
Homo, originating about
2 million years ago, and may have been instrumental in the evolution
of the human body form."

JTEM

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Oct 1, 2012, 2:14:13 AM10/1/12
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I'll post this again, giving you a third

Lee Olsen

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Oct 1, 2012, 9:02:22 AM10/1/12
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On Sep 30, 12:31 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll post this again

http://tinyurl.com/2bclbfy
JTEM: "As many of you may already be aware, I am an
accomplished medium who has often channeled
none other than Nostradamus himself."

>Now I'll explain this in terms so simple that
>even you will be able to grasp it

JTEM

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Oct 2, 2012, 1:04:46 AM10/2/12
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I'll post this again, giving you a 5th
chance to take your meds and attempt
an adult response...

So I inflicted episode-2 of the series on
myself, despite knowing what to expect,
and sure enough there were a couple of
real boners. The most obvious was the
whole "Persistence Hunting" -- i.e.
"Endurance Running."

Now I'll explain this in terms so simple that

Lee Olsen

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Oct 2, 2012, 8:53:42 AM10/2/12
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On Oct 1, 10:04 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll post this again

Thanks.
We all know the facts are worth repeating.

A ARON G. FILLER
Emergence and optimization of upright
posture among hominiform hominoids
and the evolutionary pathophysiology of
back pain
Neurosurg. Focus / Volume 23 / July, 2007
The effects of these three major types of transformation
is an increase in the degree of dynamic, muscularly driven
compressive forces on lumbar disks and a greater risk for
strains and tears in the muscles of the lumbar region be-
cause of their increased leverage. These features are evo-
lutionary innovations that suit the human body plan as
well as the evolutionary path and lifestyle of the human
lineage. They have supported an upright bipedal species
capable of carrying heavy objects and the young across
great distances, whether walking or running. In this fash-
ion they have helped our species to more or less conquer
the world. Nonetheless, these changes seem to be the prin-
cipal suspects for any relative increase in the susceptibili-
ty to back pain that humans may exhibit relative to the
other mammalian species.

Key word: running

JTEM

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Oct 3, 2012, 1:49:00 AM10/3/12
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I'll post this again, giving you a 6th

Lee Olsen

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Oct 3, 2012, 7:47:35 AM10/3/12
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On Oct 2, 10:49 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll post this again

"However, in Acheulean sites, evidence suggests that transport
occurs more often – and over much greater distances. At Olorgesailie,
Isaac (1977) notes occurrences of quartz brought over 40 km. At
Kilombe, similarly, two obsidian bifaces appear among many hundreds
made from local lavas, and the implication is again that long-distance
transport occurred (Gowlett, 1982). At Gadeb, in eastern Ethiopia,
dated
at about 1.5 Ma, several obsidian bifaces apparently document a
transport
distance of over 100 km (Clark,1980). Thus, the archaeological record
suggests that transport both became more common and occurred over much
greater distances, during the period in which Homo acquired its modern
human-like postcranial skeleton (Wang and Crompton, 2004)."

W.-J. Wang and R. H. Crompton 2004
The role of load-carrying in the evolution of modern body
proportions
J. Anat. 204 pp417–430

"The Turkana boy tells us that early H. erectus, besides being a tall
biped,
had arms and legs proportioned like a modern human's. For his height,
his
arms were not as long as those of Lucy, Lucy's Child or so far as we
know,
any other prior hominid. He lacked the apish details that, in earlier
bipeds,
suggest occasional tree climbing. The legs and hip bones of Homo
erectus
were buttressed by tremendous thickness and bulges, which denotes a
body geared toward endurance walking and running. An exclusive pact
had
been made with the terrestrial realm, and the boy's legs were
equipped to
cover ground in strides protracted in both length and hours."
Richard Potts from Humanity's Descent

JTEM

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Oct 4, 2012, 3:53:24 AM10/4/12
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Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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Nope, not me. What's more, even if they were
me they couldn't change the fact that you post
under numerous personalities, that you suffer
from a personality disorder....

> "However, in Acheulean sites, evidence suggests that transport
> occurs more often – and over much greater distances. At Olorgesailie,
> Isaac (1977) notes occurrences of quartz brought over 40 km. At
> Kilombe, similarly, two obsidian bifaces appear among many hundreds
> made from local lavas, and the implication is again that long-distance
> transport occurred (Gowlett, 1982). At Gadeb, in eastern Ethiopia,
> dated
> at about 1.5 Ma, several obsidian bifaces apparently document a
> transport
> distance of over 100 km (Clark,1980). Thus, the archaeological record
> suggests that transport both became more common and occurred over much
> greater distances, during the period in which Homo acquired its modern
> human-like postcranial skeleton (Wang and Crompton, 2004)."

And you think this is evidence for "Endurance
Running"... why?

It's evidence for trading. It's evidence for migration. Or, it
could even be 1 thousand year old artifacts, or 50 year old
artifacts. We humans have put people on the moon, we
can certainly move a stone. It's not like the secret was lost
or anything...

In any case, it has absolutely ZERO relevance to the
topic of the endurance running myth.


Lee Olsen

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Oct 4, 2012, 11:00:18 AM10/4/12
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On Oct 4, 12:53 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nope, not me.

Sorry, but your admission will count in court:
http://tinyurl.com/2bclbfy
JTEM 12 Dec 2007 04:18 GMT
"I've also posted many, many, many other "fake" articles in
other groups, which few people didn't recognize as parody.
Yes, even when posted under a different name people had
no problems seeing that they were parodies."

Here are some running facts that you missed:
"However, in Acheulean sites, evidence suggests that transport
occurs more often – and over much greater distances. At Olorgesailie,
Isaac (1977) notes occurrences of quartz brought over 40 km. At
Kilombe, similarly, two obsidian bifaces appear among many hundreds
made from local lavas, and the implication is again that long-distance
transport occurred (Gowlett, 1982). At Gadeb, in eastern Ethiopia,
dated
at about 1.5 Ma, several obsidian bifaces apparently document a
transport
distance of over 100 km (Clark,1980). Thus, the archaeological record
suggests that transport both became more common and occurred over much
greater distances, during the period in which Homo acquired its modern
human-like postcranial skeleton (Wang and Crompton, 2004)."

JTEM

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Oct 6, 2012, 1:24:07 AM10/6/12
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Sick fuck, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> "However, in Acheulean sites, evidence suggests that transport
> occurs more often – and over much greater distances.

Explain in your own words what you think this establishes,
and how.

HINT: It says nothing about endurance ANYTHING. Nothing
at all.

...but you're too goddamn stupid to see the obvious.



Lee Olsen

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Oct 6, 2012, 9:33:52 AM10/6/12
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On Oct 5, 10:24 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sick fuck
"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
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> ...but you're too goddamn stupid to see the obvious.

http://tinyurl.com/cb9st9
"The study details various adaptations found in early humans,
including
fossils
of Homo erectus and Homo habilis, which are required only for
running.
These adaptations include long, spring like tendons, such as the
Achilles tendon,
which store energy and reduce the metabolic costs of running by half.
Fossil records suggest the Achilles tendon was absent in
Australopithecus."

http://www.cybertracker.org/background/our-story

JTEM

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Oct 8, 2012, 10:38:14 AM10/8/12
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Sick fuck, Lee Olsen <paleoc...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "However, in Acheulean sites, evidence suggests that transport
> occurs more often – and over much greater distances.

Explain in your own words what you think this establishes,
and how.

HINT: It says nothing about endurance ANYTHING. Nothing
at all.

Lee Olsen

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On Oct 8, 7:38 am, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sick fuck
"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
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> HINT:
http://tinyurl.com/2bclbfy

JTEM

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Lee Olsen

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On Oct 13, 10:03 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sick fuck
(That's sock puppet talk for he can't think of a rational reply)

Here are the facts:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/1117_041117_running_humans_2.html
"The study details various adaptations found in early humans—including
fossils of Homo erectus and Homo habilis,—which are required only for
running.

These adaptations include long, springlike tendons, such as the
Achilles tendon, which store energy and reduce the metabolic costs of
running by half. Fossil records suggest the Achilles tendon was absent
in Australopithecus.

Likewise, the longitudinal arch of the foot—another well-developed
set of springs important to running—appears to have evolved with Homo
habilis."





JTEM

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Oct 22, 2012, 1:30:29 AM10/22/12
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Lee Olsen

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Oct 22, 2012, 1:34:17 AM10/22/12
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On Oct 21, 10:30 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So I inflicted
JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
http://tinyurl.com/4v2ed4s
>Like I said, go on: Jump!

http://tinyurl.com/7vflru7
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 20:36:39 -0800 (PST)
JTEM wrote:
>You must cut open your tongue with a razor.

JTEM

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Oct 22, 2012, 1:35:35 AM10/22/12
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Lee Olsen

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Oct 22, 2012, 2:01:33 AM10/22/12
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On Oct 21, 10:35 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So
http://tinyurl.com/2n8y2n
Carl Zimmer Science 2004
"It may come as a surprise to hear that humans excel in running.
Obviously, a leopard can leave
us in the dust in a short sprint. But over longer distances leopards
and most other mammals flag.
"Most mammals can't sustain a gallop over 10 to 15 minutes," says
Lieberman. Humans, on the
otherhand, can continue running for hours while using relatively
little energy. "Humans are
phenomanenal endurance runners, in terms of speed, cost, and
distance," says Lieberman.
You can actually outrun a pony easily." And yet, he points out, "no
other primates out there
endurance run."
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