Re: Lucy FACTOID 101

[Devils Advocaat]

On Jan 22, 9:06 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <Xns9FE14F1FC3551nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> >news:Jason-21011...@67-150-168-119.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
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> > > In article <jfdd47$lg...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@section31.org>
> > > wrote:
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> > >> On 1/20/2012 7:13 AM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > >> > In article
> > >> > <Jason-2001120043050...@67-150-171-47.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >> >   Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
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> > >> >> In article<jfa004$6u...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan
> > >> >> <danielsan1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
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> > >> >>> On 1/19/2012 12:57 PM, Jason wrote:
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> > >> >>> <brevity snip>
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> > >> >>>> Regardless, I believed what he had to say about the CoLB.
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> > >> >>> Because you're a racist.
>
> > >> >> Alan Keyes is a black man. Are you saying that I am a racist for
> > >> >> believing a black man. Beam me up Scotty.
>
> > >> > Alan Keyes is an idiot, who was bitter because Obama completely
> > >> > destroyed when they were opponents in the 2004 Illinois Senate
> > >> > race. You are not a racist for believing him. However, you are a
> > >> > racist for believing the lies he told (because you wanted to
> > >> > believe them), just as you are a racist for believing Obama wasn't
> > >> > a natural born citizen, for believing he is a socialist (when you
> > >> > don't have any idea of what a socialist actually is) or a secret
> > >> > Muslim, when there is no evidence that he is. The fact that, to
> > >> > you, Obama is the "other", and is somehow unAmerican. That is why
> > >> > you are a racist.
>
> > >> Me thinks someone needs to explain to Fritzy what racism is.  He is
> > >> rather clumsily playing the race card, or suffers from white guilt to
> > >> be constantly invoking the race card.
>
> > > Lots of liberals do it. McCain was so afraid of being labelled a
> > > racist that he rarely ever said anything negative about Obama. That is
> > > one of the reasons he lost the election.
>
> >     Candidates almost never say negative things about
> > their opponents, they let their surrogates do that for
> > them. Bush didn't have to attack Kerry over his military
> > record, he had the Swiftboaters to do that for him. McCain
> > didn't have to question Obama's nativity, he had the
> > Birthers to do that for him, Perry didn't have to make an
> > issue of Cain's adultery, he had his handlers do that for
> > him.
>
> >     Indeed, candidates can safely PRAISE their oppenents
> > as long as others are doing the dirty work.
>
> > "I think his service is heroic. I think him going
> > to Vietnam was more heroic than my flying fighter
> > jets. He was in harm's way and I wasn't."
> > - President Bush on John Kerry's service in Vietnam
>
> And Mrs. Clinton's staff member started the rumors that Obama was born in Kenya.

Why would members of a political party start such a rumour about their
own presidential candidate?

[Jason]

In article
<9d95d3b5-1fd2-459d...@l1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Jan 22, 9:06=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <Xns9FE14F1FC3551nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell
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> > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > >news:Jason-21011...@67-150-168-119.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >
> > > > In article <jfdd47$lg...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@section31.org>
> > > > wrote:
> >
> > > >> On 1/20/2012 7:13 AM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > >> > In article
> > > >> > <Jason-2001120043050...@67-150-171-47.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > >> > =A0 Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > >> >> In article<jfa004$6u...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan

> > > >> >> <danielsan1...@gmail.com> =A0wrote:

> >
> > > >> >>> On 1/19/2012 12:57 PM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > >> >>> <brevity snip>
> >
> > > >> >>>> Regardless, I believed what he had to say about the CoLB.
> >
> > > >> >>> Because you're a racist.
> >
> > > >> >> Alan Keyes is a black man. Are you saying that I am a racist for
> > > >> >> believing a black man. Beam me up Scotty.
> >
> > > >> > Alan Keyes is an idiot, who was bitter because Obama completely
> > > >> > destroyed when they were opponents in the 2004 Illinois Senate
> > > >> > race. You are not a racist for believing him. However, you are a
> > > >> > racist for believing the lies he told (because you wanted to
> > > >> > believe them), just as you are a racist for believing Obama wasn't
> > > >> > a natural born citizen, for believing he is a socialist (when you
> > > >> > don't have any idea of what a socialist actually is) or a secret
> > > >> > Muslim, when there is no evidence that he is. The fact that, to
> > > >> > you, Obama is the "other", and is somehow unAmerican. That is why
> > > >> > you are a racist.
> >

> > > >> Me thinks someone needs to explain to Fritzy what racism is. =A0He i=
> s
> > > >> rather clumsily playing the race card, or suffers from white guilt t=

> o
> > > >> be constantly invoking the race card.
> >
> > > > Lots of liberals do it. McCain was so afraid of being labelled a

> > > > racist that he rarely ever said anything negative about Obama. That i=

> s
> > > > one of the reasons he lost the election.
> >

> > > =A0 =A0 Candidates almost never say negative things about

> > > their opponents, they let their surrogates do that for
> > > them. Bush didn't have to attack Kerry over his military
> > > record, he had the Swiftboaters to do that for him. McCain
> > > didn't have to question Obama's nativity, he had the
> > > Birthers to do that for him, Perry didn't have to make an
> > > issue of Cain's adultery, he had his handlers do that for
> > > him.
> >

> > > =A0 =A0 Indeed, candidates can safely PRAISE their oppenents

> > > as long as others are doing the dirty work.
> >
> > > "I think his service is heroic. I think him going
> > > to Vietnam was more heroic than my flying fighter
> > > jets. He was in harm's way and I wasn't."
> > > - President Bush on John Kerry's service in Vietnam
> >

> > And Mrs. Clinton's staff member started the rumors that Obama was born in=

> Kenya.
>
> Why would members of a political party start such a rumour about their
> own presidential candidate?

Hillary Clinton ran against Obama in the primary elections. Obama won that
election and Obama hired her to be on his staff.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 1, 7:22 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <9d95d3b5-1fd2-459d-9589-eafaee79c...@l1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, Devils

That doesn't prove your assertion as true.

[Jason]

In article
<bb6fd1aa-3250-4bf7...@j14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 7:22=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article

> > <9d95d3b5-1fd2-459d-9589-eafaee79c...@l1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, Devil=
> s
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> > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Jan 22, 9:06=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <Xns9FE14F1FC3551nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mitche=

> ll
> >
> > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > > > >news:Jason-21011...@67-150-168-119.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com:
> >

> > > > > > In article <jfdd47$lg...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@section31.=

> org>
> > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> On 1/20/2012 7:13 AM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > >> > In article
> > > > > >> > <Jason-2001120043050...@67-150-171-47.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > >> > =3DA0 Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >> In article<jfa004$6u...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan

> > > > > >> >> <danielsan1...@gmail.com> =3DA0wrote:

> >
> > > > > >> >>> On 1/19/2012 12:57 PM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > >> >>> <brevity snip>
> >
> > > > > >> >>>> Regardless, I believed what he had to say about the CoLB.
> >
> > > > > >> >>> Because you're a racist.
> >

> > > > > >> >> Alan Keyes is a black man. Are you saying that I am a racist =

> for
> > > > > >> >> believing a black man. Beam me up Scotty.
> >

> > > > > >> > Alan Keyes is an idiot, who was bitter because Obama completel=

> y
> > > > > >> > destroyed when they were opponents in the 2004 Illinois Senate

> > > > > >> > race. You are not a racist for believing him. However, you are=

> a
> > > > > >> > racist for believing the lies he told (because you wanted to

> > > > > >> > believe them), just as you are a racist for believing Obama wa=
> sn't
> > > > > >> > a natural born citizen, for believing he is a socialist (when =
> you
> > > > > >> > don't have any idea of what a socialist actually is) or a secr=
> et
> > > > > >> > Muslim, when there is no evidence that he is. The fact that, t=
> o
> > > > > >> > you, Obama is the "other", and is somehow unAmerican. That is =

> why
> > > > > >> > you are a racist.
> >

> > > > > >> Me thinks someone needs to explain to Fritzy what racism is. =3D=
> A0He i=3D
> > > s
> > > > > >> rather clumsily playing the race card, or suffers from white gui=
> lt t=3D

> > > o
> > > > > >> be constantly invoking the race card.
> >
> > > > > > Lots of liberals do it. McCain was so afraid of being labelled a

> > > > > > racist that he rarely ever said anything negative about Obama. Th=
> at i=3D

> > > s
> > > > > > one of the reasons he lost the election.
> >

> > > > > =3DA0 =3DA0 Candidates almost never say negative things about

> > > > > their opponents, they let their surrogates do that for
> > > > > them. Bush didn't have to attack Kerry over his military
> > > > > record, he had the Swiftboaters to do that for him. McCain
> > > > > didn't have to question Obama's nativity, he had the
> > > > > Birthers to do that for him, Perry didn't have to make an
> > > > > issue of Cain's adultery, he had his handlers do that for
> > > > > him.
> >

> > > > > =3DA0 =3DA0 Indeed, candidates can safely PRAISE their oppenents

> > > > > as long as others are doing the dirty work.
> >
> > > > > "I think his service is heroic. I think him going
> > > > > to Vietnam was more heroic than my flying fighter
> > > > > jets. He was in harm's way and I wasn't."
> > > > > - President Bush on John Kerry's service in Vietnam
> >

> > > > And Mrs. Clinton's staff member started the rumors that Obama was bor=
> n in=3D
> > > =A0Kenya.

> >
> > > Why would members of a political party start such a rumour about their
> > > own presidential candidate?
> >

> > Hillary Clinton ran against Obama in the primary elections. Obama won tha=

> t
> > election and Obama hired her to be on his staff.
>
> That doesn't prove your assertion as true.

It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 1, 9:01 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <bb6fd1aa-3250-4bf7-a3de-e535d847b...@j14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,

Where is your evidence for this so-called known fact Jason?

> Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.

Which if your previous statement is true, shows how dumb they are.

[Jason]

In article
<f466d5ff-cb48-4d16...@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 9:01=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <bb6fd1aa-3250-4bf7-a3de-e535d847b...@j14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> >
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> > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Feb 1, 7:22=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article

> > > > <9d95d3b5-1fd2-459d-9589-eafaee79c...@l1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, D=
> evil=3D
> > > s
> >
> > > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 22, 9:06=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <Xns9FE14F1FC3551nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=
> tche=3D

> > > ll
> >
> > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > > > > > >news:Jason-21011...@67-150-168-119.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> :
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <jfdd47$lg...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@sectio=
> n31.=3D

> > > org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> On 1/20/2012 7:13 AM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > In article

> > > > > > > >> > <Jason-2001120043050...@67-150-171-47.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> m>,

> > > > > > > >> > =3D3DA0 Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> >> In article<jfa004$6u...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan

> > > > > > > >> >> <danielsan1...@gmail.com> =3D3DA0wrote:

> >
> > > > > > > >> >>> On 1/19/2012 12:57 PM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> >>> <brevity snip>
> >

> > > > > > > >> >>>> Regardless, I believed what he had to say about the CoL=

> B.
> >
> > > > > > > >> >>> Because you're a racist.
> >

> > > > > > > >> >> Alan Keyes is a black man. Are you saying that I am a rac=
> ist =3D

> > > for
> > > > > > > >> >> believing a black man. Beam me up Scotty.
> >

> > > > > > > >> > Alan Keyes is an idiot, who was bitter because Obama compl=
> etel=3D
> > > y
> > > > > > > >> > destroyed when they were opponents in the 2004 Illinois Se=
> nate
> > > > > > > >> > race. You are not a racist for believing him. However, you=
> are=3D
> > > =A0a
> > > > > > > >> > racist for believing the lies he told (because you wanted =
> to
> > > > > > > >> > believe them), just as you are a racist for believing Obam=
> a wa=3D
> > > sn't
> > > > > > > >> > a natural born citizen, for believing he is a socialist (w=
> hen =3D
> > > you
> > > > > > > >> > don't have any idea of what a socialist actually is) or a =
> secr=3D
> > > et
> > > > > > > >> > Muslim, when there is no evidence that he is. The fact tha=
> t, t=3D
> > > o
> > > > > > > >> > you, Obama is the "other", and is somehow unAmerican. That=
> is =3D

> > > why
> > > > > > > >> > you are a racist.
> >
> > > > > > > >> Me thinks someone needs to explain to Fritzy what racism is.=

> =3D3D=3D
> > > A0He i=3D3D
> > > > > s
> > > > > > > >> rather clumsily playing the race card, or suffers from white=
> gui=3D
> > > lt t=3D3D

> > > > > o
> > > > > > > >> be constantly invoking the race card.
> >

> > > > > > > > Lots of liberals do it. McCain was so afraid of being labelle=
> d a
> > > > > > > > racist that he rarely ever said anything negative about Obama=
> . Th=3D
> > > at i=3D3D

> > > > > s
> > > > > > > > one of the reasons he lost the election.
> >

> > > > > > > =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0 Candidates almost never say negative things abo=

> ut
> > > > > > > their opponents, they let their surrogates do that for
> > > > > > > them. Bush didn't have to attack Kerry over his military
> > > > > > > record, he had the Swiftboaters to do that for him. McCain
> > > > > > > didn't have to question Obama's nativity, he had the
> > > > > > > Birthers to do that for him, Perry didn't have to make an
> > > > > > > issue of Cain's adultery, he had his handlers do that for
> > > > > > > him.
> >

> > > > > > > =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0 Indeed, candidates can safely PRAISE their oppe=

> nents
> > > > > > > as long as others are doing the dirty work.
> >
> > > > > > > "I think his service is heroic. I think him going
> > > > > > > to Vietnam was more heroic than my flying fighter
> > > > > > > jets. He was in harm's way and I wasn't."
> > > > > > > - President Bush on John Kerry's service in Vietnam
> >

> > > > > > And Mrs. Clinton's staff member started the rumors that Obama was=
> bor=3D
> > > n in=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0Kenya.
> >
> > > > > Why would members of a political party start such a rumour about th=
> eir
> > > > > own presidential candidate?
> >
> > > > Hillary Clinton ran against Obama in the primary elections. Obama won=
> tha=3D

> > > t
> > > > election and Obama hired her to be on his staff.
> >
> > > That doesn't prove your assertion as true.
> >
> > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
>
> Where is your evidence for this so-called known fact Jason?
>
> > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
>
> Which if your previous statement is true, shows how dumb they are.

Yes, we were dumb for believing a rumor started by a staff member of
Hillary Clinton. We should have guessed that the rumor was not true. I
tried hard to find evidence that Hillary Clinton ordered the staff member
to spread the rumor but was NOT able to find that information on any
website. The staff member was very loyal to Mrs. Clinton and took the
heat.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 1, 9:31 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <f466d5ff-cb48-4d16-a25e-0b2f9d779...@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

But still you present no evidence for your claim.

[Jason]

In article
<f466d5ff-cb48-4d16...@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 9:01=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <bb6fd1aa-3250-4bf7-a3de-e535d847b...@j14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Feb 1, 7:22=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article

> > > > <9d95d3b5-1fd2-459d-9589-eafaee79c...@l1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, D=
> evil=3D
> > > s
> >
> > > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > On Jan 22, 9:06=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article <Xns9FE14F1FC3551nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>, Mi=
> tche=3D

> > > ll
> >
> > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > > > > > >news:Jason-21011...@67-150-168-119.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com=
> :
> >
> > > > > > > > In article <jfdd47$lg...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@sectio=
> n31.=3D

> > > org>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> On 1/20/2012 7:13 AM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > > > >> > In article

> > > > > > > >> > <Jason-2001120043050...@67-150-171-47.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.co=
> m>,

> > > > > > > >> > =3D3DA0 Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> >> In article<jfa004$6u...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan

> > > > > > > >> >> <danielsan1...@gmail.com> =3D3DA0wrote:

> >
> > > > > > > >> >>> On 1/19/2012 12:57 PM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > >> >>> <brevity snip>
> >

> > > > > > > >> >>>> Regardless, I believed what he had to say about the CoL=

> B.
> >
> > > > > > > >> >>> Because you're a racist.
> >

> > > > > > > >> >> Alan Keyes is a black man. Are you saying that I am a rac=
> ist =3D

> > > for
> > > > > > > >> >> believing a black man. Beam me up Scotty.
> >

> > > > > > > >> > Alan Keyes is an idiot, who was bitter because Obama compl=
> etel=3D
> > > y
> > > > > > > >> > destroyed when they were opponents in the 2004 Illinois Se=
> nate
> > > > > > > >> > race. You are not a racist for believing him. However, you=
> are=3D
> > > =A0a
> > > > > > > >> > racist for believing the lies he told (because you wanted =
> to
> > > > > > > >> > believe them), just as you are a racist for believing Obam=
> a wa=3D
> > > sn't
> > > > > > > >> > a natural born citizen, for believing he is a socialist (w=
> hen =3D
> > > you
> > > > > > > >> > don't have any idea of what a socialist actually is) or a =
> secr=3D
> > > et
> > > > > > > >> > Muslim, when there is no evidence that he is. The fact tha=
> t, t=3D
> > > o
> > > > > > > >> > you, Obama is the "other", and is somehow unAmerican. That=
> is =3D

> > > why
> > > > > > > >> > you are a racist.
> >
> > > > > > > >> Me thinks someone needs to explain to Fritzy what racism is.=

> =3D3D=3D
> > > A0He i=3D3D
> > > > > s
> > > > > > > >> rather clumsily playing the race card, or suffers from white=
> gui=3D
> > > lt t=3D3D

> > > > > o
> > > > > > > >> be constantly invoking the race card.
> >

> > > > > > > > Lots of liberals do it. McCain was so afraid of being labelle=
> d a

> > > > > > > > racist that he rarely ever said anything negative about Obama=
> . Th=3D
> > > at i=3D3D

> > > > > s
> > > > > > > > one of the reasons he lost the election.
> >

> > > > > > > =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0 Candidates almost never say negative things abo=

> ut
> > > > > > > their opponents, they let their surrogates do that for
> > > > > > > them. Bush didn't have to attack Kerry over his military
> > > > > > > record, he had the Swiftboaters to do that for him. McCain
> > > > > > > didn't have to question Obama's nativity, he had the
> > > > > > > Birthers to do that for him, Perry didn't have to make an
> > > > > > > issue of Cain's adultery, he had his handlers do that for
> > > > > > > him.
> >

> > > > > > > =3D3DA0 =3D3DA0 Indeed, candidates can safely PRAISE their oppe=

> nents
> > > > > > > as long as others are doing the dirty work.
> >
> > > > > > > "I think his service is heroic. I think him going
> > > > > > > to Vietnam was more heroic than my flying fighter
> > > > > > > jets. He was in harm's way and I wasn't."
> > > > > > > - President Bush on John Kerry's service in Vietnam
> >

> > > > > > And Mrs. Clinton's staff member started the rumors that Obama was=
> bor=3D
> > > n in=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0Kenya.
> >

> > > > > Why would members of a political party start such a rumour about th=
> eir
> > > > > own presidential candidate?
> >
> > > > Hillary Clinton ran against Obama in the primary elections. Obama won=
> tha=3D

> > > t
> > > > election and Obama hired her to be on his staff.
> >
> > > That doesn't prove your assertion as true.
> >
> > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
>
> Where is your evidence for this so-called known fact Jason?
>
> > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
>
> Which if your previous statement is true, shows how dumb they are.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lawyersues.htm

www.slate.com/.../birtherism_is_dead_long_live_birtherism.single.html

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas.../obamas_birth_certifcate_forgery/

[Jason]

In article
<f7510686-bcec-4540...@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 9:31=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <f466d5ff-cb48-4d16-a25e-0b2f9d779...@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > On Feb 1, 9:01=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article
> > > > <bb6fd1aa-3250-4bf7-a3de-e535d847b...@j14g2000vba.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > > > Devils Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > > > On Feb 1, 7:22=3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > In article

> > > > > > <9d95d3b5-1fd2-459d-9589-eafaee79c...@l1g2000vbc.googlegroups.com=
> >, D=3D
> > > evil=3D3D
> > > > > s
> >
> > > > > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Jan 22, 9:06=3D3D3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > > > > > In article <Xns9FE14F1FC3551nomailcomcast...@216.196.121.131>=
> , Mi=3D
> > > tche=3D3D

> > > > > ll
> >
> > > > > > > > Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

> > > > > > > > >news:Jason-21011...@67-150-168-119.lsan.mdsg-pacwest=
> .com=3D
> > > :
> >
> > > > > > > > > > In article <jfdd47$lg...@dont-email.me>, Flint <age...@se=
> ctio=3D
> > > n31.=3D3D

> > > > > org>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> On 1/20/2012 7:13 AM, David Fritzinger wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> > In article

> > > > > > > > > >> > <Jason-2001120043050...@67-150-171-47.lsan.mdsg-pacwes=
> t.co=3D
> > > m>,

> > > > > > > > > >> > =3D3D3DA0 Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >> In article<jfa004$6u...@dont-email.me>, DanielSan

> > > > > > > > > >> >> <danielsan1...@gmail.com> =3D3D3DA0wrote:

> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >>> On 1/19/2012 12:57 PM, Jason wrote:
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >>> <brevity snip>
> >

> > > > > > > > > >> >>>> Regardless, I believed what he had to say about the=
> CoL=3D

> > > B.
> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >>> Because you're a racist.
> >

> > > > > > > > > >> >> Alan Keyes is a black man. Are you saying that I am a=
> rac=3D
> > > ist =3D3D

> > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > >> >> believing a black man. Beam me up Scotty.
> >

> > > > > > > > > >> > Alan Keyes is an idiot, who was bitter because Obama c=
> ompl=3D
> > > etel=3D3D
> > > > > y
> > > > > > > > > >> > destroyed when they were opponents in the 2004 Illinoi=
> s Se=3D
> > > nate
> > > > > > > > > >> > race. You are not a racist for believing him. However,=
> you=3D
> > > =A0are=3D3D
> > > > > =3DA0a
> > > > > > > > > >> > racist for believing the lies he told (because you wan=
> ted =3D
> > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> > believe them), just as you are a racist for believing =
> Obam=3D
> > > a wa=3D3D
> > > > > sn't
> > > > > > > > > >> > a natural born citizen, for believing he is a socialis=
> t (w=3D
> > > hen =3D3D
> > > > > you
> > > > > > > > > >> > don't have any idea of what a socialist actually is) o=
> r a =3D
> > > secr=3D3D
> > > > > et
> > > > > > > > > >> > Muslim, when there is no evidence that he is. The fact=
> tha=3D
> > > t, t=3D3D
> > > > > o
> > > > > > > > > >> > you, Obama is the "other", and is somehow unAmerican. =
> That=3D
> > > =A0is =3D3D

> > > > > why
> > > > > > > > > >> > you are a racist.
> >

> > > > > > > > > >> Me thinks someone needs to explain to Fritzy what racism=
> is.=3D
> > > =A0=3D3D3D=3D3D
> > > > > A0He i=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > >> rather clumsily playing the race card, or suffers from w=
> hite=3D
> > > =A0gui=3D3D
> > > > > lt t=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > o
> > > > > > > > > >> be constantly invoking the race card.
> >

> > > > > > > > > > Lots of liberals do it. McCain was so afraid of being lab=
> elle=3D
> > > d a
> > > > > > > > > > racist that he rarely ever said anything negative about O=
> bama=3D
> > > . Th=3D3D
> > > > > at i=3D3D3D

> > > > > > > s
> > > > > > > > > > one of the reasons he lost the election.
> >

> > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0 Candidates almost never say negative th=
> ings abo=3D

> > > ut
> > > > > > > > > their opponents, they let their surrogates do that for
> > > > > > > > > them. Bush didn't have to attack Kerry over his military
> > > > > > > > > record, he had the Swiftboaters to do that for him. McCain
> > > > > > > > > didn't have to question Obama's nativity, he had the
> > > > > > > > > Birthers to do that for him, Perry didn't have to make an
> > > > > > > > > issue of Cain's adultery, he had his handlers do that for
> > > > > > > > > him.
> >

> > > > > > > > > =3D3D3DA0 =3D3D3DA0 Indeed, candidates can safely PRAISE th=
> eir oppe=3D

> > > nents
> > > > > > > > > as long as others are doing the dirty work.
> >
> > > > > > > > > "I think his service is heroic. I think him going
> > > > > > > > > to Vietnam was more heroic than my flying fighter
> > > > > > > > > jets. He was in harm's way and I wasn't."
> > > > > > > > > - President Bush on John Kerry's service in Vietnam
> >

> > > > > > > > And Mrs. Clinton's staff member started the rumors that Obama=
> was=3D
> > > =A0bor=3D3D
> > > > > n in=3D3D3D
> > > > > > > =3D3DA0Kenya.
> >
> > > > > > > Why would members of a political party start such a rumour abou=
> t th=3D
> > > eir
> > > > > > > own presidential candidate?
> >
> > > > > > Hillary Clinton ran against Obama in the primary elections. Obama=
> won=3D
> > > =A0tha=3D3D

> > > > > t
> > > > > > election and Obama hired her to be on his staff.
> >
> > > > > That doesn't prove your assertion as true.
> >
> > > > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> > > > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
> >
> > > Where is your evidence for this so-called known fact Jason?
> >
> > > > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
> >
> > > Which if your previous statement is true, shows how dumb they are.
> >
> > Yes, we were dumb for believing a rumor started by a staff member of
> > Hillary Clinton. We should have guessed that the rumor was not true. I
> > tried hard to find evidence that Hillary Clinton ordered the staff member
> > to spread the rumor but was NOT able to find that information on any
> > website. The staff member was very loyal to Mrs. Clinton and took the
> > heat.
>
> But still you present no evidence for your claim.

en.wikipedia.org/.../Barack_Obama_citizenship_conspiracy_theories

www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/l/lawyersues.htm

www.slate.com/.../birtherism_is_dead_long_live_birtherism.single.html

atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas.../obamas_birth_certifcate_forgery/

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-01021...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snip]

> It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
> Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.

If it is a "known fact", then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a
cite for it. Not from a birther site, please.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-01021...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 1, 10:21 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <f7510686-bcec-4540-8a39-41d4785e0...@m2g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, Devils

Rumours don't constitute evidence.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 1, 10:19 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <f466d5ff-cb48-4d16-a25e-0b2f9d779...@k10g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 1, 11:52 am, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>
wrote:
> In article
> <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

He won't be able to find any evidence for this rumour starting with
Hilary Clinton's staff.

All he will find is rumours that it did start with them.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-3B7CA7...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I done it and got 198,000 hits and I did use quote marks.

[Jason]

In article
<09859c63-1943-4a9e...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Devils
Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 1, 11:52=A0am, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>

That's probably correct. As far as I know, no person was charged with a
crime for starting those false rumors. I doubt that it is against the law
to start false rumors. Google: "Lies told by Keith Olbermann". He is a
host of a program on MSNBC. I will not repeat the rumor he started about
Hillary Clinton.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-4B30FF...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google search.

[Wombat]

On Feb 2, 3:13 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-3B7CA7.06525101022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > [snip]
> > > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> > > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
> > > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
>
> > If it is a "known fact", then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a
> > cite for it. Not from a birther site, please.
>
> I done it and got 198,000 hits and I did use quote marks.

So which one of those hits gives the facts. Remember Noah and the
Black Sea debacle?
Meanwhile - SCREAM.

[Jason]

In article
<444e0fd3-bbe8-4f5d...@e27g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 3:13=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-3B7CA7.06525101022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > [snip]
> > > > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> > > > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
> > > > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
> >
> > > If it is a "known fact", then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a
> > > cite for it. Not from a birther site, please.
> >
> > I done it and got 198,000 hits and I did use quote marks.
>
> So which one of those hits gives the facts. Remember Noah and the
> Black Sea debacle?
> Meanwhile - SCREAM.

It turned out that I was wrong about that person being a staff member of
Hillary Clinton. Several websites indicated it was a male supporter of
Hillary Clinton that started the rumor. I found out his name from one of
the websites but will not repeat it since I don't know if the information
at that website is or is not correct.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-01021...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-4B30FF...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>

[snip]

> > Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.
>
> I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google search.

Google puts in the ellipses so the url will fit on one line. They do not
work in any browser I am aware of. If you want an accurate url, you have
to actually go to the page. What's the matter? Is that too much work for
you?

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-01021...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

Thank you for admitting you were incorrect. However, I bet you still
believe that the birthers honestly believed their lies.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-01021...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

Provide some of those hits. Go and read them first, however, to see if
they are something more than rumors. Remember, the number of hits has
nothing to do with how truthful a statement is.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 2, 9:20 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <444e0fd3-bbe8-4f5d-b9ee-05077408f...@e27g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,

Yet you were happy enough to make the claim against Hilary Clinton's
staff without knowing if what you were posting was true or not.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-0F81EE...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-01021...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-4B30FF...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > > Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.
> >
> > I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google search.
>
> Google puts in the ellipses so the url will fit on one line. They do not
> work in any browser I am aware of. If you want an accurate url, you have
> to actually go to the page. What's the matter? Is that too much work for
> you?

It takes lots of time to do it that way with a dial-up connection.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-5F8EE5...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I can't speak for all of them. However, I did believe that Obama was born
in Kenya. I do believe that at least some of them also believed it.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-3C25B9...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-01021...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-3B7CA7...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-01021...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > > > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> > > > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
> > > > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
> > >
> > > If it is a "known fact", then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a
> > > cite for it. Not from a birther site, please.
> >
> > I done it and got 198,000 hits and I did use quote marks.
>
> Provide some of those hits. Go and read them first, however, to see if
> they are something more than rumors. Remember, the number of hits has
> nothing to do with how truthful a statement is.

I have already done that. I found out that I was wrong. The person that
started the rumor was a supporter of Hillary Clinton. I found his name at
one website but will not repeat that name since I am not certain the
information I found at that website was correct. His goal was to help
Hillary Clinton win the primaries. His plan did not work. Yes, it was a
rumor. The conservative republicans believed the rumor was a FACT.

[Jason]

In article
<211b7213-f3b4-4c8e...@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 9:20=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article
> > <444e0fd3-bbe8-4f5d-b9ee-05077408f...@e27g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> > > On Feb 2, 3:13=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > In article <dfritzin-3B7CA7.06525101022...@news.eternal-september.org=

> >,
> >
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > > [snip]
> > > > > > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during t=

> he
> > > > > > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
> > > > > > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
> >

> > > > > If it is a "known fact", then you shouldn't have any trouble findin=

> g a
> > > > > cite for it. Not from a birther site, please.
> >
> > > > I done it and got 198,000 hits and I did use quote marks.
> >

> > > So which one of those hits gives the facts. =A0Remember Noah and the

> > > Black Sea debacle?
> > > Meanwhile - SCREAM.
> >
> > It turned out that I was wrong about that person being a staff member of
> > Hillary Clinton. Several websites indicated it was a male supporter of
> > Hillary Clinton that started the rumor. I found out his name from one of
> > the websites but will not repeat it since I don't know if the information
> > at that website is or is not correct.
>
> Yet you were happy enough to make the claim against Hilary Clinton's
> staff without knowing if what you were posting was true or not.

I did not mention any names.

[tirebiter]

On Feb 2, 4:41 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-5F8EE5.07083302022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article <Jason-0102121817490...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article

> > > <09859c63-1943-4a9e-a8ba-6ae461006...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Devils

> > > Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Feb 1, 11:52=A0am, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > In article
> > > > > <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > > > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > [snip]
>
> > > > > > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> > > > > > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
> > > > > > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
>
> > > > > If it is a "known fact", then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a
> > > > > cite for it. Not from a birther site, please.
>
> > > > He won't be able to find any evidence for this rumour starting with
> > > > Hilary Clinton's staff.
>
> > > > All he will find is rumours that it did start with them.
>
> > > That's probably correct. As far as I know, no person was charged with a
> > > crime for starting those false rumors. I doubt that it is against the law
> > > to start false rumors. Google: "Lies told by Keith Olbermann". He is a
> > > host of a program on MSNBC. I will not repeat the rumor he started about
> > > Hillary Clinton.
>
> > Thank you for admitting you were incorrect. However, I bet you still
> > believe that the birthers honestly believed their lies.
>
> I can't speak for all of them. However, I did believe that Obama was born
> in Kenya. I do believe that at least some of them also believed it.

Did you ever wonder how a poor teenaged mother got a newborn baby
3/4ths the way around the world to Hawaii without encountering any
immigration or customs agents? How long did it take? How did she get
a doctor to certify his birth? If he was a week old, they could tell.

Did you ever wonder why a US citizen would have to risk going to
federal prison for the rest of her life to fake a birth that was
already legally eligible for naturalized citizenship?

There is no way you could have believed the birther lies. You went
along out of racism and bigotry.

You are a liar, a bigot, a racist and an idiot.

---
a.a. #2273

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-02021...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Do you know the reason why the birthers, such as yourself, believed
that. They *wanted* to believe it, because they were racists, who
couldn't stand the fact that a black man was president.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-02021...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Your racism is showing again...

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-02021...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-0F81EE...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-01021...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <dfritzin-4B30FF...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> > > > Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.
> > >
> > > I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google
> > > search.
> >
> > Google puts in the ellipses so the url will fit on one line. They do not
> > work in any browser I am aware of. If you want an accurate url, you have
> > to actually go to the page. What's the matter? Is that too much work for
> > you?
>
> It takes lots of time to do it that way with a dial-up connection.

If you are going to post web sites, you have to post them so that the
reader can follow the link. The ellipses do not allow that. The point
is, I don't really care if it takes a lot of time. You are making the
claims, so it is up to you to support it. A broken link doesn't do that.

[Free Lunch]

On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:17:49 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

No, he is not.

>I will not repeat the rumor he started about Hillary Clinton.

You repeat so many lies that it is absurd for you imply that you are
taking the high road here.

[Free Lunch]

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:41:18 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

You believed that even though the only evidence that existed showed that
he was born in Hawaii. It is truly remarkable how ignorant you have
chosen to be.

[Free Lunch]

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 13:46:36 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

>In article
><211b7213-f3b4-4c8e...@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,
>Devils Advocaat <manky...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Feb 2, 9:20=A0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > In article
>> > <444e0fd3-bbe8-4f5d-b9ee-05077408f...@e27g2000vbu.googlegroups.com>,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Wombat <tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:
>> > > On Feb 2, 3:13=3DA0am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> > > > In article <dfritzin-3B7CA7.06525101022...@news.eternal-september.org=
>> >,
>> >
>> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > In article
>> > > > > <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>> > > > > =3DA0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>> >
>> > > > > [snip]
>> > > > > > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during t=
>> he
>> > > > > > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
>> > > > > > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
>> >
>> > > > > If it is a "known fact", then you shouldn't have any trouble findin=
>> g a
>> > > > > cite for it. Not from a birther site, please.
>> >
>> > > > I done it and got 198,000 hits and I did use quote marks.

Please learn to use the verb "do" properly. I realize that you are proud
of how little you know, but you could start learning with this one.

>> >
>> > > So which one of those hits gives the facts. =A0Remember Noah and the
>> > > Black Sea debacle?
>> > > Meanwhile - SCREAM.
>> >
>> > It turned out that I was wrong about that person being a staff member of
>> > Hillary Clinton. Several websites indicated it was a male supporter of
>> > Hillary Clinton that started the rumor. I found out his name from one of
>> > the websites but will not repeat it since I don't know if the information
>> > at that website is or is not correct.
>>
>> Yet you were happy enough to make the claim against Hilary Clinton's
>> staff without knowing if what you were posting was true or not.
>
>I did not mention any names.
>

Yes, you did.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 2, 9:46 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article

> <211b7213-f3b4-4c8e-ab9b-a807eb8bd...@v14g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>,

Did I say you mentioned names? No I did not.

But you did post that claim without knowing if t was true or not.

And that was the point I was making.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-DC037E...@news.eternal-september.org>,

NO--We cared about that issue mainly because we care about the
constitution. We did not want a president in office that was not a natural
born citizen. We defined "natural born" as being born within America or on
a military base.

[Jason]

In article <0mami7d29g6v4tu0j...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

If I done that, I did not mean to do it. The name must of been on the
google search page that I posted.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-E98874...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <Jason-02021...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-0F81EE...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <Jason-01021...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-4B30FF...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > [snip]
> > > > > Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.
> > > >
> > > > I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google
> > > > search.
> > >
> > > Google puts in the ellipses so the url will fit on one line. They do not
> > > work in any browser I am aware of. If you want an accurate url, you have
> > > to actually go to the page. What's the matter? Is that too much work for
> > > you?
> >
> > It takes lots of time to do it that way with a dial-up connection.
>
> If you are going to post web sites, you have to post them so that the
> reader can follow the link. The ellipses do not allow that. The point
> is, I don't really care if it takes a lot of time. You are making the
> claims, so it is up to you to support it. A broken link doesn't do that.

I don't know why google would something so stupid.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-44738C...@news.eternal-september.org>,

It's all about politics--not race. I also opposed Kerry and Clinton. Does
that mean I am prejudice against white people. Beam me up Scotty.

[Jason]

In article <vhami7lferbcdkpg4...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

In this case, I have to take the high road.

[Wombat]

On Feb 3, 8:40 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-E98874.19010302022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-0202121338430...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-0F81EE.07070402022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <Jason-0102121818430...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-4B30FF.06535901022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > > Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.
>
> > > > > I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google
> > > > > search.
>
> > > > Google puts in the ellipses so the url will fit on one line. They do not
> > > > work in any browser I am aware of. If you want an accurate url, you have
> > > > to actually go to the page. What's the matter? Is that too much work for
> > > > you?
>
> > > It takes lots of time to do it that way with a dial-up connection.
>
> > If you are going to post web sites, you have to post them so that the
> > reader can follow the link. The ellipses do not allow that. The point
> > is, I don't really care if it takes a lot of time.  You are making the
> > claims, so it is up to you to support it. A broken link doesn't do that.
>
> I don't know why google would something so stupid.

Ah diddums. They don't know, or care, that you have inadequate
equipment.

[Wombat]

On Feb 2, 10:38 pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-0F81EE.07070402022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> > In article <Jason-0102121818430...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-4B30FF.06535901022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > [snip]
> > > > Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.
>
> > > I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google search.
>
> > Google puts in the ellipses so the url will fit on one line. They do not
> > work in any browser I am aware of. If you want an accurate url, you have
> > to actually go to the page. What's the matter? Is that too much work for
> > you?
>
> It takes lots of time to do it that way with a dial-up connection.

Tough. Giving incorrect URLs is worse. Stop being such a lazy idiot,
hiding behind the inadequacies of your "computer".
BTW, If you didn't want to crash your wife's computer, why are you
using your friend's? Shouldn't you be afraid you will crash that?

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-02021...@67-150-168-58.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You didn't oppose Clinton or Kerry for the same reasons. You did not
question whether they could legally be president, and you didn't always
paint them to be "the other", someone who is somehow unAmerican, and
"not like the rest of us". The Republican candidates do the same thing,
only using code words (Food stamp president, anti-colonial Kenyan
mentality). That is racism, even though you deny it.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-02021...@67-150-168-58.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Because they want to keep the url on one line, and the only way they can
do so is to use the ellipses. However, if you want the url to work, you
cannot do so. So, the onus is on you. Post your urls properly, so we can
follow them.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-02021...@67-150-168-58.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Yet, even though ample evidence was presented, evidence that was
verified by the Republican Governor of Hawaii, you continued to believe
that. That is what shows your racism.

[tirebiter]

On Feb 3, 2:32 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-DC037E.18590402022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-0202121344540...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-3C25B9.07095502022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <Jason-0102121813560...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-3B7CA7.06525101022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > In article

> > > > > > <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You started from a position that the wasn't natural born without a
shred of evidence to that point. How did you ignore all the valid
proofs that refuted this lie? The answer is bigotry and racism.

BTW, McCain wasn't born on a military base. The hospital that he
supposedly was born in wasn't built until he was 2 years old. In 2008
the Senate secretly passed a resolution to never challenge his
citizenship.

What a terrible person you are.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On Feb 3, 2:47 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-44738C.18592802022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-0202121341180...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-5F8EE5.07083302022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <Jason-0102121817490...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article

> > > > > <09859c63-1943-4a9e-a8ba-6ae461006...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>,
> Devils

It means you are a proven bigot for hating Kerry based on provable
lies. You idiot.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On Feb 3, 2:48 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <vhami7lferbcdkpg41k53gatgpdgeqs...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 18:17:49 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>
> > >In article

> > ><09859c63-1943-4a9e-a8ba-6ae461006...@1g2000yqv.googlegroups.com>, Devils

> > >Advocaat <mankygo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> On Feb 1, 11:52=A0am, David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > In article
> > >> > <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
>
> > >> > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > [snip]
>
> > >> > > It's a known fact that a staff member of Hillary Clinton during the
> > >> > > primary elections spread the rumor that Obama was born in Kenya.
> > >> > > Conservative republicans made the mistake of believing the rumor.
>
> > >> > If it is a "known fact", then you shouldn't have any trouble finding a
> > >> > cite for it. Not from a birther site, please.
>
> > >> He won't be able to find any evidence for this rumour starting with
> > >> Hilary Clinton's staff.
>
> > >> All he will find is rumours that it did start with them.
>
> > >That's probably correct. As far as I know, no person was charged with a
> > >crime for starting those false rumors. I doubt that it is against the law
> > >to start false rumors. Google: "Lies told by Keith Olbermann". He is a
> > >host of a program on MSNBC.
>
> > No, he is not.
>
> > >I will not repeat the rumor he started about Hillary Clinton.
>
> > You repeat so many lies that it is absurd for you imply that you are
> > taking the high road here.
>
> In this case, I have to take the high road.

You don't know what that statement means. And you aren't using it
correctly here.

What an idiot you are.

---
a.a. #2273

[tirebiter]

On Feb 3, 2:40 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <dfritzin-E98874.19010302022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > In article

> > <Jason-0202121338430...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > In article <dfritzin-0F81EE.07070402022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > In article <Jason-0102121818430...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > > > > In article <dfritzin-4B30FF.06535901022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > > Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.
>
> > > > > I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google
> > > > > search.
>
> > > > Google puts in the ellipses so the url will fit on one line. They do not
> > > > work in any browser I am aware of. If you want an accurate url, you have
> > > > to actually go to the page. What's the matter? Is that too much work for
> > > > you?
>
> > > It takes lots of time to do it that way with a dial-up connection.
>
> > If you are going to post web sites, you have to post them so that the
> > reader can follow the link. The ellipses do not allow that. The point
> > is, I don't really care if it takes a lot of time.  You are making the
> > claims, so it is up to you to support it. A broken link doesn't do that.
>
> I don't know why google would something so stupid.

What is stupid is your continual ignorance of how to use search
engines. How many HUNDREDS of times have you been told this? Why are
you so stupid about it? Why are you such an idiot?

---
a.a. #2273

[Free Lunch]

On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:32:07 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

No, you did not. You've told us these lies before and you were corrected
on them before. Repeating them shows us that you really are proud of
your bigotry.

>We did not want a president in office that was not a natural
>born citizen.

Bull.

>We defined "natural born" as being born within America or on
>a military base.

That definition leaves John McCain out, he was born in Panama, not on a
base, not in the Zone, but in Panama. That never matters to the
anti-Obama racists, does it? Anyway, your definition is wrong because
you have chosen to be an ignoramus and bought the lies of the right-wing
racists and ignored the rules that our country has. I guess you only
like the law and constitution when it fits your Plessy v. Ferguson mind.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-5C5DF2...@news.eternal-september.org>,

In all cases, it was related to politics. We used other reasons to go
after Kerry and Clinton. The democrats will do the same thing in the next
election. They will found reasons to go after the winner of the primaries.
I have already seen some liberal news reporters mention that Romney is a
Mormon. That leads me to believe the democrats will use Romney's religious
beliefs against him. I don't believe you understand politics. One liberal
reporter mentioned that Romney is one of the richest men that has ever run
for president. Obama will probably use Romney's wealth against him. That's
politics.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-2F32AB...@news.eternal-september.org>,

We did not believe him.

[Jason]

In article <3fooi7lhb25i7lvln...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

If McCain had won the election, it's my guess the liberal democrats would
have tried to get him removed from office.

[Devils Advocaat]

On Feb 4, 7:37 am, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> In article <3fooi7lhb25i7lvlnufk4cskof4rk90...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <lu...@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
> > On Thu, 02 Feb 2012 23:32:07 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
> > alt.talk.creationism:
>

> > >In article <dfritzin-DC037E.18590402022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

> > >David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> In article

> > >> <Jason-0202121344540...@67-150-173-38.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > >>  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > In article <dfritzin-3C25B9.07095502022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > >> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > In article <Jason-0102121813560...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

> > >> > >  Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > >> > > > In article
>

> <dfritzin-3B7CA7.06525101022...@news.eternal-september.org>,

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > >> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >> > > > > In article

> > >> > > > > <Jason-0102120101400...@67-150-171-32.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Your guesses seem as pointless as your beliefs.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-03021...@67-150-172-150.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
[snip]

> If McCain had won the election, it's my guess the liberal democrats would
> have tried to get him removed from office.

You are wrong, as usual, as evidenced by the fact that right-wing idiots
such as yourself were spreading the lies about Obama before the
election, but no one was saying the same about McCain.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-03021...@67-150-172-150.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-2F32AB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>

[snip]

> > Yet, even though ample evidence was presented, evidence that was
> > verified by the Republican Governor of Hawaii, you continued to believe
> > that. That is what shows your racism.
>
> We did not believe him.

Her, Jason, her! Her name is Linda LIngle. How many times do I have to
tell you that? You chose not to believe her because you are a racist,
who would use any excuse against Obama, just as you still do, calling
him a socialist, against all evidence, and saying he is a secret Muslim.
It is racism, and nothing else.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-03021...@67-150-172-150.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-5C5DF2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>

[snip]

> > You didn't oppose Clinton or Kerry for the same reasons. You did not
> > question whether they could legally be president, and you didn't always
> > paint them to be "the other", someone who is somehow unAmerican, and
> > "not like the rest of us". The Republican candidates do the same thing,
> > only using code words (Food stamp president, anti-colonial Kenyan
> > mentality). That is racism, even though you deny it.
>
> In all cases, it was related to politics. We used other reasons to go
> after Kerry and Clinton. The democrats will do the same thing in the next
> election. They will found reasons to go after the winner of the primaries.
> I have already seen some liberal news reporters mention that Romney is a
> Mormon. That leads me to believe the democrats will use Romney's religious
> beliefs against him. I don't believe you understand politics. One liberal
> reporter mentioned that Romney is one of the richest men that has ever run
> for president. Obama will probably use Romney's wealth against him. That's
> politics.

It is racism. THat is why you claimed Obama wasn't American, and why you
still lie and claim he is a socialist and a secret Muslim. That way you
justify your hate of a successful black man by saying he is the "other",
and he is not a "real" (meaning white) American.

BTW, your paragraph above shows you think it is OK to tell any lie as
long as it gets the result you want. That shows you do not follow Jesus.

It isn't that they will use his wealth against Romney. It is how he
obtained his wealth, getting rich while firing people. Of course, it
doesn't help Romney that he is so ham handed about explaining his
wealth, making such idiotic statements as he doesn't care about the
poor. He also lies like a rug, as I have demonstrated in the past.

[Free Lunch]

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:36:57 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

That is because you are a bigoted fool. You have chosen to believe every
lie told by racists about Obama. You have chosen to show us that you are
racist. Don't tell us now that you are not racist, you have presented
enough evidence to us that it is clear that you are.

Racists and Republicans reject what Jesus taught.

[Free Lunch]

On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 23:37:59 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

No, they would not have. Oh, there might be some crazy left equivalent
to Orly Taitz, but no one would have taken those claims seriously, not
in the way racists like you have.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-3416E3...@news.eternal-september.org>,

I don't remember.

[Jason]

In article <i2hqi79l6a98o9kp9...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

It's not about race--it's about politics. Keep in mind that we also went
after Kerry and Clinton. Does that means we hate white people?

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-954E2A...@news.eternal-september.org>,

My point is that during a presidental election--democrats find reasons to
go after the republican winner of the primaries and the republicans will
go after Obama. They will find issues to use against them. In Obama's
case, it will probably be economic issues and ObamaCare.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-8A91AB...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article
> <Jason-03021...@67-150-172-150.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-2F32AB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> [snip]
> > > Yet, even though ample evidence was presented, evidence that was
> > > verified by the Republican Governor of Hawaii, you continued to believe
> > > that. That is what shows your racism.
> >
> > We did not believe him.
>
> Her, Jason, her! Her name is Linda LIngle. How many times do I have to
> tell you that? You chose not to believe her because you are a racist,
> who would use any excuse against Obama, just as you still do, calling
> him a socialist, against all evidence, and saying he is a secret Muslim.
> It is racism, and nothing else.

We believed she was lying.

This is the person that may have started the rumors that Obama was a
Muslim and that he was born in Kenya.

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[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-05021...@66.53.221.196>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-8A91AB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <Jason-03021...@67-150-172-150.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <dfritzin-2F32AB...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > [snip]
> > > > Yet, even though ample evidence was presented, evidence that was
> > > > verified by the Republican Governor of Hawaii, you continued to believe
> > > > that. That is what shows your racism.
> > >
> > > We did not believe him.
> >
> > Her, Jason, her! Her name is Linda LIngle. How many times do I have to
> > tell you that? You chose not to believe her because you are a racist,
> > who would use any excuse against Obama, just as you still do, calling
> > him a socialist, against all evidence, and saying he is a secret Muslim.
> > It is racism, and nothing else.
>
> We believed she was lying.

Why would she lie? She campaigned for McCain, a lot. Indeed, so much so
that she was accused of abandoning the state when it was going through
very hard times. Don't give me the garbage that she was afraid she would
lose federal funding. As I told you before (and you ignored), 1) a great
deal of the federal funding for Hawaii is for military bases in Hawaii,
which is not going to be cut off. 2) If Obama were as vindictive as you
make him out to be, he could have used the excuse that LIngle campaigned
for McCain. 3) One of the most powerful members of the senate, Daniel
Inouye, is from Hawaii and he always makes sure that Hawaii gets its
share of pork. So your argument that she was a liar goes where all your
arguments go-into the trash bin.

>
> This is the person that may have started the rumors that Obama was a
> Muslim and that he was born in Kenya.
>
> Results 1 - 10 of about 16,700,000 for "Andy Martin spread rumor"
>

[snip]

I'm not going to do your work for you. *YOU* go to a couple of those
supposed sources and describe what they say, as well as any evidence
they have to support their confusion (err, I mean conclusion).

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-05021...@66.53.221.196>,

The difference is that Democrats (and mainstream Republicans, for that
matter) have tried to say that the candidate of the other party wasn't
born in the US. Neither party has tried to say that their opponent is a
secret Muslim (at a time when there is much angst against Muslims) or a
socialist. Those are the actions of racists, who are trying to sway
votes by making the other candidate seem different and unAmerican. IOW,
the actions of racists.

>
> It's all about politics--not race.

So you keep saying, but your words belie your true feelings.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-05021...@66.53.221.196>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

Your convenient memory strikes again. Why am I not surprised.

[Mitchell Holman]

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
news:Jason-05021...@66.53.221.196:

Sure you do. Even as the Birther movement was attacking
Obama his campaign took the high road and did not question
McCains' VERY dicey citizenship based on him being born in
Panama.

Obama didn't stoop to Republican smear tactics.

[Free Lunch]

On Sun, 05 Feb 2012 00:58:45 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

It's still about race. It has been about race ever since the GOP pursued
the Southern Strategy and welcomed the disaffected racists who had been
in the Democratic party with open arms.

The GOP has done a very good job of driving blacks out of their party.
For a party that was once the party that got all of the votes of the
former slaves and their progeny, they have done an amazing job of
getting down to a pathetically small share. Of course they did it by
being the party of the very rich fighting against Roosevelt's help for
the poor and then betraying their entire history to become the party of
the Confederacy.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-EFFBD4...@news.eternal-september.org>,

OK--we believed a lie that was started by a liberal democrat that wanted
Hillary Clinton to win the primaries. That led us to believe that LInda
Lingle was lying when she said that Obama was born in Hawaii. Yes, it is a
major mistake to believe anything that a liberal democrat tells you to
believe.

Jason

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-9E645A...@news.eternal-september.org>,

David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:

> In article <Jason-05021...@66.53.221.196>,
> Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
>
> > In article <dfritzin-3416E3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article
> > > <Jason-03021...@67-150-172-150.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > [snip]
> > > > If McCain had won the election, it's my guess the liberal
democrats would
> > > > have tried to get him removed from office.
> > >
> > > You are wrong, as usual, as evidenced by the fact that right-wing idiots
> > > such as yourself were spreading the lies about Obama before the
> > > election, but no one was saying the same about McCain.
> >
> > I don't remember.
>
> Your convenient memory strikes again. Why am I not surprised.

We spread those lies since we believed the rumors spread by the liberal

[Jason]

In article <g86ti79tov6ef00k1...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

Some conservative black people vote for republicans. I have heard them
when they have had conversations with Rush Limbaugh on his radio talk
show.

[Jason]

In article <Xns9FF04FA275560...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

During the 2012 election, it's my guess that Romney will use our economic
problems against Obama.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-0FA7D7...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Romney has not done that. When he goes after Obama--he mentions Obama is
to blame for our economic problems.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-06021...@67-150-168-8.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Which is an outright lie. Bush is to blame for our economic
difficulties, as well as most of the debt acquired during the last 3
years. Indeed, it is ridiculous, in that Republicans are trying to have
it both ways. They want to blame Obama for the poor performance, but
don't want to give him credit for the recovery. That is hypocrisy.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-06021...@67-150-168-8.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

Meaning he will lie about the economic issues, as he has done already.
He is trying to blame Obama for the loss of jobs that occurred right
after Obama came into office, yet won't give Obama credit for the
private sector jobs jobs created during the last 29 months.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-06021...@67-150-168-8.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-9E645A...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-05021...@66.53.221.196>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > In article <dfritzin-3416E3...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article
> > > > <Jason-03021...@67-150-172-150.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > > > [snip]
> > > > > If McCain had won the election, it's my guess the liberal
> democrats would
> > > > > have tried to get him removed from office.
> > > >
> > > > You are wrong, as usual, as evidenced by the fact that right-wing
> > > > idiots
> > > > such as yourself were spreading the lies about Obama before the
> > > > election, but no one was saying the same about McCain.
> > >
> > > I don't remember.
> >
> > Your convenient memory strikes again. Why am I not surprised.
>
> We spread those lies since we believed the rumors spread by the liberal
> democrat that wanted Hillary Clinton to win the primaries.

Note: You spread those *lies*. Even a slight bit of investigation would
have shown you they were lies, but your racism didn't allow that. You
just had to "get" Obama.

[David Fritzinger]

In article <Jason-06021...@67-150-168-8.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You have yet to show that it was a liberal Democrat who started the
rumor. All you have is rumors.

> That led us to believe that LInda
> Lingle was lying when she said that Obama was born in Hawaii. Yes, it is a
> major mistake to believe anything that a liberal democrat tells you to
> believe.

No, it is a major mistake to believe the current crop of conservative
Republicans, since they have demonstrated the ability to lie like a rug.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-CE9EF3...@news.eternal-september.org>,

Andy Martin (a liberal democrat) started those rumors to help his hero
Hillary Clinton win the primaries. His plan failed. Prove that I am wrong.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-5DC231...@news.eternal-september.org>,

If you understood politics, you would understand why Romney needs to
convince the American people that Obama is to blame for our economic
problems. He also needs to convince them that he could do a far better job
solving our economic problems than Obama is doing. That is how basic
politics works. When Obama ran for election, he done the same thing in
regard to Bush2.

It's my guess that you will say that it was OK when Obama done it but it's
NOT OK when Romney does the same thing that Obama once done. Beam me up
Scotty.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-99472E...@news.eternal-september.org>,

At the time, we did NOT realize the rumors were lies. Get it yet? We
believed the rumors were facts.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-359C6E...@news.eternal-september.org>,

NO--He will not need to do that--many statistics show that we have a weak
economy. Fareed Zakaria wrote an article for Time Magazine. I have it in
front of me. It was printed in the March 14, 2011 issue of Time Magazine.
The title of the story was "Are America's Best Days Behind Us". He pointed
out statistics that proved that America's best days are behind us. It
shows an American flag that has been torn into a hundred pieces of cloth.
The point was that we have a broken nation--in much the same way that the
flag was a broken flag. Romney could use the statistics in that article
and similar articles to blame Obama for our economic problems.

[Tom McDonald]

So you are using a year-old article to support the idea that today's
economy is in the toilet.

But what about nearly a quarter-million new *private sector* jobs last
month alone?

What about 23 straight months of *private sector* job growth?

What about a steadily declining unemployment rate?

What about record levels on the stock exchanges?

What about that suggests Obama, in Romney's words, 'made the economy worse'?

If that's the best Romney has got, then he should concede the election
right now.

[Jason]

In article <sNWXq.20083$Sh7....@newsfe15.iad>, Tom McDonald

Watch and see--there are other statistics that indicate that we have a
weak economy. The debates between Romney and Obama should be very
interesting.

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:18:46 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

Since when was it Christian to spread and believe rumors?

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-06021...@67-150-173-252.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Romney already (dishonestly) tries to blame Obama. And it is a lie. Not
only is he trying to blame Obama for the job losses that occurred right
after he became president, which were clearly the result of policies of
Bush administration, his campaign is now trying to claim that Obama
shouldn't get the credit for the improvements that have occurred over
the last 2 years (29 months of hiring by private industry).

For a look at the lies of Mitt Romney, see:
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/01/why-yes-mitt-romney-does-lie-a-great
-deal.html
"Really? It seems to me that Romney makes factual, specific claims that
are false all the time. Some of them are minor, daily stories, such as
his denials, when convenient, that he knows anything about the ads he is
running against Newt Gingrich. Others are obvious attempts to mislead
the public about his own history:
When first asked as a 1994 US Senate candidate about records showing him
voting in the 1992 Democratic primary, Romney said he couldnąt recall
for whom he voted.
Then Romney told the Globe he voted for Tsongas because he preferred his
ideas to his then-opponent for the nomination, Bill Clinton. Later, he
added that it was proof he was not a partisan politician.
Yet in 2007, while making his first run for president, Romney offered a
new explanation: He said he voted for Tsongas as a tactical maneuver,
aiming to present the łweakest opponent˛ possible for Bush.
Or important components of the claims that undergird his policy
arguments:
At last nightąs debate, for instance, Romney claimed that Obama łwent
before the United Nations˛ and łsaid nothing about thousands of rockets
being rained in on Israel from the Gaza Strip.˛
This is flat out false. Obama talked about the rockets hitting Israel in
two speeches before the U.N.: One in 2009, and the other in 2011."

There are many more examples of Romney's lies.

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 00:16:08 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in

Some gays vote for Republicans even though the Republicans, in general,
are anti-gay. Some women vote for Republicans even though the
Republicans, in general, are anti-women. Some people who make less than
$250,000/year vote for Republicans even though Republicans, in general,
don't give a damn about anyone who isn't rich. Some Christians vote for
Republicans, even though the Republicans have made it clear that they
prefer mammon to Jesus.

Some voters are ignorant and foolish.

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 01:36:55 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

That does not make it true. Romney lies about many things.

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 12:17:37 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

Romney needs to lie because he doesn't care about anyone who isn't a
millionaire.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-06021...@67-150-173-252.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

If you had bothered to look at the evidence, you would have realized
they were lies. However, racists such as yourself couldn't stand the
possibility that a black man would become president, so they spread
those lies.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-06021...@67-150-173-252.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

> In article <dfritzin-5DC231...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> David Fritzinger <dfri...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <Jason-06021...@67-150-168-8.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:

[snip]

> > > Romney has not done that. When he goes after Obama--he mentions Obama is
> > > to blame for our economic problems.
> >
> > Which is an outright lie. Bush is to blame for our economic
> > difficulties, as well as most of the debt acquired during the last 3
> > years. Indeed, it is ridiculous, in that Republicans are trying to have
> > it both ways. They want to blame Obama for the poor performance, but
> > don't want to give him credit for the recovery. That is hypocrisy.
>
> If you understood politics, you would understand why Romney needs to
> convince the American people that Obama is to blame for our economic
> problems. He also needs to convince them that he could do a far better job
> solving our economic problems than Obama is doing. That is how basic
> politics works. When Obama ran for election, he done the same thing in
> regard to Bush2.

I understand how politics work, Jason. I also understand flat-out lies
when I see them. What Romney is saying are flat-out lies. And the
pitiful thing is that you, an avowed Christian, seem to think this is
OK. That it is OK to lie to get your guy elected. You really are a
pitiful person, Jason, and show no Christian values whatsoever.

>
> It's my guess that you will say that it was OK when Obama done it but it's
> NOT OK when Romney does the same thing that Obama once done. Beam me up
> Scotty.

If it is the truth, it is OK to say it. And the facts say that the Great
Recession of 2008 belonged to Bush and the Republicans. It is not a fact
that Obama is to blame for either the slow job growth (that seems to be
speeding up) or the deficit that occurred since he became president,
since >80% of the debt is a result of Bush policies (tax cuts, wars,
etc). Now that the job market appears to be starting to improve, Romney
will have to lie even more to try to blame Obama for the problems.

[David Fritzinger]

In article
<Jason-06021...@67-150-173-252.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,

You have admitted that all your sources said that was just a rumor. Do
rumors become facts to you when it is convenient? Now, give some
evidence that isn't a rumor, or shut up.

Andy Martin:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us/politics/13martin.html?pagewanted=al
l
There is no mention of Hillary Clinton in this article whatsoever. Looks
as if Jason and the other racists have been caught lying yet again.

[Free Lunch]

On Mon, 06 Feb 2012 15:58:59 -0800, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote in
alt.talk.creationism:

All of the evidence tells us that Romney will make the economy weaker if
he is elected.

[Tom McDonald]

On 2/6/2012 5:58 PM, Jason wrote:
> In article<sNWXq.20083$Sh7....@newsfe15.iad>, Tom McDonald

Yes, the recovery is fragile. As Obama has said from the beginning.

It would be far more robust if the Republicans would actually work with
the Democrats to create jobs. But they don't; and they won't, as helping
Americans get more jobs for more money would ensure Obama's re-election.
And the Republicans care a whole lot more about beating Obama than
strengthening our nation.

> The debates between Romney and Obama should be very
> interesting.
>
>

Maybe. It'll be interesting trying to get Mitt to make a statement and
stick to it.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-C0D000...@news.eternal-september.org>,

It was all about politics--not race. I also believed the Swiftboaters due
to politics.

[Jason]

In article <tpq0j7lopro7kva75...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

I agree with that last point. For example, lots of Jews voted for Obama
even if he is trying to force Israel to give huge amounts of land in
Israel to Muslims. Those Jews that voted for Obama are ignorant and
foolish.

[Jason]

In article <1uq0j793d6c0m7qip...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

The debates between Obama and Romney should be interesting.

[Jason]

In article <puq0j7pudmepq86un...@4ax.com>, Free Lunch

He probably has a dozen staff members finding economic statistics that he
can use against Obama. All they need to do is read the last 20 editions of
the Wall Street Journal and photocopy any stories about how weak the
economy is.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-298EB8...@news.eternal-september.org>,

If the economy is doing great in November--Obama will win the election. If
the economic conditions are bad in November--Romney will win the election.
Do you agree.


Warning: Do you remember when I told you that Israel will attack the
nuclear facilities in Iran? If so, guess what. There was a newspaper story
on the front page last week that stated that Israel may attack the nuclear
facilities in Iran in the near future. I learned about it months before
that story was printed by reading a story about that subject in a
conservative magazine.

[Jason]

In article <dfritzin-53E6BD...@news.eternal-september.org>,

By the time the first debate takes place, Romney's staff members will have
every negative news story about the American economy. They will use those
articles to develop talking points and to write dozens of speeches. They
will make sure the statistics they use in those talking points and
speeches are accurate.

[Jason]

In article
<6beb3b82-18d5-4571...@w4g2000vbc.googlegroups.com>, Wombat
<tri...@multiweb.nl> wrote:

> On Feb 2, 10:38=A0pm, Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> > In article <dfritzin-0F81EE.07070402022...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > In article <Jason-0102121818430...@66-53-217-56.lsan.mdsg-pacwest.com>,
> > > =A0Ja...@nospam.com (Jason) wrote:
> >
> > > > In article <dfritzin-4B30FF.06535901022...@news.eternal-september.org=
> >,
> > > > David Fritzinger <dfrit...@nospamtome.hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > [snip]
> > > > > Kindly give the entire URL. URLs with ellipses do not work.
> >
> > > > I copied and pasted the exact URLs from the first page of my google s=
> earch.
> >
> > > Google puts in the ellipses so the url will fit on one line. They do no=
> t
> > > work in any browser I am aware of. If you want an accurate url, you hav=
> e
> > > to actually go to the page. What's the matter? Is that too much work fo=
> r
> > > you?
> >
> > It takes lots of time to do it that way with a dial-up connection.
>
> Tough. Giving incorrect URLs is worse. Stop being such a lazy idiot,
> hiding behind the inadequacies of your "computer".
> BTW, If you didn't want to crash your wife's computer, why are you
> using your friend's? Shouldn't you be afraid you will crash that?

I don't care and my neighbor does not care. My neighbor has her own new
lap top and gave me a $50.00 iMac that she purchased at a yard sale. She
was able to hook it up to her cable modem. It works great but needs more
RAM.