New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
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Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a diverse bunch, with at least one other extinct human species living at the same time as H. erectus and H. habilis.
"Two species of the genus Homo, our own genus, lived alongside our direct ancestor, Homo erectus, nearly 2 million years ago," researcher Meave Leakey at the Turkana Basin Institute in Nairobi, Kenya, told LiveScience.
A skull known as KNM-ER 1470, found in 1972 in Kenya, was at the center of the debate over the number of species of early Homo living nearly 2 million years ago. It had a larger brain and a flatter face than H. habilis, leading some researchers to declare it a distinct species they dubbed Homo rudolfensis.
However, making comparisons between these fossils was difficult, because no single purported H. rudolfensis specimen contained both the face and the lower jaw, details needed to see if it was indeed separate from H. habilis. Any supposed differences between H. habilis and H. rudolfensis might, for instance, have been due to variations between the sexes of a single species.
The newly discovered face and lower-jaw fossils, uncovered within a radius of just more than 6 miles (10 kilometers) from where KNM-ER 1470 was unearthed, now suggest that KNM-ER 1470 and the novel finds are indeed members of a distinct species of early Homo that stands out from others with its uniquely built face.
"It had very flat facial features you could draw a straight line from its eye socket to where its incisor teeth would be," researcher Fred Spoor at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, told LiveScience.
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"The incisors are really rather small compared to what you'd find in other early Homo," Spoor said. "In the back of the mouth, the teeth are large, telling us a lot of food processing was going on there ... it may be possible it ate more tough, plantlike foods than meat."
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Meave G. Leakey, Fred Spoor, M. Christopher Dean, Craig S. Feibel, Susan C. Antón, Christopher Kiarie & Louise N. Leakey
Nature 488, 201204 (09 August 2012) doi:10.1038/nature11322
Since its discovery in 1972, the cranium KNM-ER 1470 has been at the centre of the debate over the number of species of early Homo present in the early Pleistocene epoch of eastern Africa. KNM-ER 1470 stands out among other specimens attributed to early Homo because of its larger size, and its flat and subnasally orthognathic face with anteriorly placed maxillary zygomatic roots. This singular morphology and the incomplete preservation of the fossil have led to different views as to whether KNM-ER 1470 can be accommodated within a single species of early Homo that is highly variable because of sexual, geographical and temporal factors, or whether it provides evidence of species diversity marked by differences in cranial size and facial or masticatory adaptation. Here we report on three newly discovered fossils, aged between 1.78 and 1.95 million years (Myr) old, that clarify the anatomy and taxonomic status of KNM-ER 1470. KNM-ER 62000, a well-preserved face of a late juvenile hominin, closely resembles KNM-ER 1470 but is notably smaller. It preserves previously unknown morphology, including moderately sized, mesiodistally long postcanine teeth. The nearly complete mandible KNM-ER 60000 and mandibular fragment KNM-ER 62003 have a dental arcade that is short anteroposteriorly and flat across the front, with small incisors; these features are consistent with the arcade morphology of KNM-ER 1470 and KNM-ER 62000. The new fossils confirm the presence of two contemporary species of early Homo, in addition to Homo erectus, in the early Pleistocene of eastern Africa.
> New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> ...
> Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> diverse bunch,
Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > ...
> > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > diverse bunch,
> Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution ...
There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
...
The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment. This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
...
The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat, but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms that reduce gene flow between the two populations
...
Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic isolation or changes in habitat. ...
> evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > ...
> > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > diverse bunch,
> > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > ...
> There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> ...
> The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> ...
> The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> ...
> Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> isolation or changes in habitat.
Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
your imagination.
> > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > ...
> > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > diverse bunch,
> > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > ...
> > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > ...
> > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > ...
> > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > ...
> > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > isolation or changes in habitat.
> Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> your imagination.
The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > ...
> > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > ...
> > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > ...
> > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > ...
> > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > your imagination.
> The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > ...
> > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > ...
> > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > ...
> > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > ...
> > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > your imagination.
> > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
of speciation have been around for some time.
Did you note the use of the word "isolation" in the wiki excerpt? Hmmm?
> > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > ...
> > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > ...
> > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > ...
> > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > your imagination.
> > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> of speciation have been around for some time.
And that's a different subject. you dingbat.
> Did you note the use of the word "isolation" in the wiki excerpt? Hmmm?
You seem to never have a point. It would seem your dispute with my
scenario has more to do with indigestion than it does evidence.
> On Sep 4, 8:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > > your imagination.
> > > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> > Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> > of speciation have been around for some time.
> And that's a different subject. you dingbat.
It's what is being discussed above.
> > Did you note the use of the word "isolation" in the wiki excerpt? Hmmm?
> You seem to never have a point. It would seem your dispute with my
> scenario has more to do with indigestion than it does evidence.
> > On Sep 4, 8:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > > > your imagination.
> > > > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> > > Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> > > of speciation have been around for some time.
> On Sep 9, 8:40 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > On Sep 4, 8:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > > > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > > > > your imagination.
> > > > > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > > > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > > > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> > > > Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> > > > of speciation have been around for some time.
> > > And that's a different subject. you dingbat.
> > It's what is being discussed above.
> You never have a point.
You can never keep up. Or educate yourself. Now, back to speciation...
You have come up with *nothing* new. The mechanisms of speciation are briefly outlined above, and they've been known for some time. So
your "Hominids originally split up into different breeds..." claptrap
is hardly earth shaking.
> > On Sep 9, 8:40 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > On Sep 4, 8:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > > > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > > > > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > > > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > > > > > your imagination.
> > > > > > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > > > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > > > > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > > > > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > > > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> > > > > Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> > > > > of speciation have been around for some time.
> > > > And that's a different subject. you dingbat.
> > > It's what is being discussed above.
> > You never have a point.
> You can never keep up. Or educate yourself. Now, back to speciation...
> You have come up with *nothing* new. The mechanisms of speciation are
> briefly outlined above, and they've been known for some time. So
> your "Hominids originally split up into different breeds..." claptrap
> is hardly earth shaking.
If you believe that then you should stop whining and make a detailed
argument to that effect.
> On Sep 15, 9:50 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > On Sep 9, 8:40 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 4, 8:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > > > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > > > > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > > > > > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > > > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > > > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > > > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > > > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > > > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > > > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > > > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > > > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > > > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > > > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > > > > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > > > > > > your imagination.
> > > > > > > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > > > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > > > > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > > > > > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > > > > > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > > > > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> > > > > > Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> > > > > > of speciation have been around for some time.
> > > > > And that's a different subject. you dingbat.
> > > > It's what is being discussed above.
> > > You never have a point.
> > You can never keep up. Or educate yourself. Now, back to speciation...
> > You have come up with *nothing* new. The mechanisms of speciation are
> > briefly outlined above, and they've been known for some time. So
> > your "Hominids originally split up into different breeds..." claptrap
> > is hardly earth shaking.
> If you believe that then you should stop whining and make a detailed
> argument to that effect.
It's what SCIENCE has found, based on research and evidence.
Two things you don't have.
Here's a review for you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution ...
There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
...
The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment. This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
...
The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat, but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms that reduce gene flow between the two populations
...
Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic isolation or changes in habitat. ...
> > On Sep 15, 9:50 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > On Sep 9, 8:40 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > On Sep 4, 8:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > > > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > > > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > > > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > > > > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > > > > > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > > > > > > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > > > > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > > > > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > > > > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > > > > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > > > > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > > > > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > > > > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > > > > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > > > > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > > > > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > > > > > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > > > > > > > your imagination.
> > > > > > > > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > > > > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > > > > > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > > > > > > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > > > > > > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > > > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > > > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > > > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > > > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > > > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > > > > > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> > > > > > > Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> > > > > > > of speciation have been around for some time.
> > > > > > And that's a different subject. you dingbat.
> > > > > It's what is being discussed above.
> > > > You never have a point.
> > > You can never keep up. Or educate yourself. Now, back to speciation...
> > > You have come up with *nothing* new. The mechanisms of speciation are
> > > briefly outlined above, and they've been known for some time. So
> > > your "Hominids originally split up into different breeds..." claptrap
> > > is hardly earth shaking.
> > If you believe that then you should stop whining and make a detailed
> > argument to that effect.
> It's what SCIENCE has found, based on research and evidence.
> Two things you don't have.
> Here's a review for you:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > ...
> There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> ...
> The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> ...
> The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> ...
> Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> isolation or changes in habitat.
> ...
Here, I'll paste it back in more slowy, since it seems too much for
you to digest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution ...
There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
...
The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment. This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
...
The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat, but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms that reduce gene flow between the two populations
...
Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic isolation or changes in habitat. ...
> > > On Sep 15, 9:50 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > On Sep 9, 8:40 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sep 4, 8:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 19, 8:48 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Aug 12, 4:14 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > > > > > > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > > > > > > > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > > > > > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > > > > > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > > > > > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > > > > > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > > > > > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > > > > > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > > > > > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > > > > > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > > > > > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > > > > > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > > > > > > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > > > > > > > > your imagination.
> > > > > > > > > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > > > > > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > > > > > > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > > > > > > > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > > > > > > > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > > > > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > > > > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > > > > > > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> > > > > > > > Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> > > > > > > > of speciation have been around for some time.
> > > > > > > And that's a different subject. you dingbat.
> > > > > > It's what is being discussed above.
> > > > > You never have a point.
> > > > You can never keep up. Or educate yourself. Now, back to speciation...
> > > > You have come up with *nothing* new. The mechanisms of speciation are
> > > > briefly outlined above, and they've been known for some time. So
> > > > your "Hominids originally split up into different breeds..." claptrap
> > > > is hardly earth shaking.
> > > If you believe that then you should stop whining and make a detailed
> > > argument to that effect.
> > It's what SCIENCE has found, based on research and evidence.
> > Two things you don't have.
> > Here's a review for you:
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > ...
> > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > ...
> > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > ...
> > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > ...
> > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > ...
> Here, I'll paste it back in more slowy, since it seems too much for
> you to digest:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > ...
> There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> ...
> The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> ...
> The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> ...
> Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> isolation or changes in habitat.
> ...
Why don't you admit that you really don't have a relevant point and
move on.
Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> reasoning is applicable to hominids.
I hate to admit it, but you do have a point here. In
fact, it's worse than you make it out to be...
One COMMON argument against Neanderthal/Modern
interbreeding was that they were two different species,
and different species can't interbreed...
It was a seriously dumb argument even before all the
evidence for interbreeding, but there's an even more
comical example: The Triceratops Dinosaur!
Presently, the popular belief is that what was at one
time thought of as three separate species are actually
all members of the same species -- only at different
life stages!
And I have used the dog argument myself, many times.
It is undeniably true that, had all our current breeds
of dogs lived 50 million years ago instead of today,
"Scientist" would be claiming that they were all different
species... and just think of what they would have made
of our mutts!
I'm sorry, mental case, but no matter how
much you want those I.P. Addresses to be
mine they are never going to be. Your
mental illness is steering you wrong, AGAIN!
Now, I repeat for you to not understand:
Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> reasoning is applicable to hominids.
I hate to admit it, but you do have a point here. In
fact, it's worse than you make it out to be...
One COMMON argument against Neanderthal/Modern
interbreeding was that they were two different species,
and different species can't interbreed...
It was a seriously dumb argument even before all the
evidence for interbreeding, but there's an even more
comical example: The Triceratops Dinosaur!
Presently, the popular belief is that what was at one
time thought of as three separate species are actually
all members of the same species -- only at different
life stages!
And I have used the dog argument myself, many times.
It is undeniably true that, had all our current breeds
of dogs lived 50 million years ago instead of today,
"Scientist" would be claiming that they were all different
species... and just think of what they would have made
of our mutts!
"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
Jack Teehan <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153
In His Glory: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153
On Oct 1, 10:21 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm sorry
JTEM 12 Dec 2007 04:18 GMT
"I've also posted many, many, many other "fake" articles in
other groups, which few people didn't recognize as parody.
Yes, even when posted under a different name people had
no problems seeing that they were parodies."
I'm sorry, mental case, but no matter how
much you want those I.P. Addresses to be
mine they are never going to be. Your
mental illness is steering you wrong, AGAIN!
Now, I repeat for you to not understand:
Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> reasoning is applicable to hominids.
I hate to admit it, but you do have a point here. In
fact, it's worse than you make it out to be...
One COMMON argument against Neanderthal/Modern
interbreeding was that they were two different species,
and different species can't interbreed...
It was a seriously dumb argument even before all the
evidence for interbreeding, but there's an even more
comical example: The Triceratops Dinosaur!
Presently, the popular belief is that what was at one
time thought of as three separate species are actually
all members of the same species -- only at different
life stages!
And I have used the dog argument myself, many times.
It is undeniably true that, had all our current breeds
of dogs lived 50 million years ago instead of today,
"Scientist" would be claiming that they were all different
species... and just think of what they would have made
of our mutts!
"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
Jack Teehan <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153
In His Glory: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153
On Oct 5, 10:15 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
>And I have used the dog argument myself, many times.
"JTEM is repeating a number of his lies, hoping some will
stick including
1. lies about my identity (Bill Taylor is someone
else.)
(and, depending on the post)
2. lies about what I posted.
3. lies about what a discussion is about.
The extent to which he is lying is strong evidence that
he is in fact a pathlogical liar. He has reduced himself
to figuratively getting into bed with Bill Taylor, one of
the most rabid homophobes plaguing this/these newsgroups
while pretending to be just the opposite.
And he's been complaining that I'm giving him a default
response when he posts the same lies over and over in spite
of the obvious fact that he is posting his garbage merely
as harassment (and possibly as an indication that he suffers
from Tourette syndrome given the language he often uses).
Until he has something substantial to contribute and can
express himself civilly, this idiot will get this canned
reply."
Claudius Denk wrote:
> On Sep 28, 7:59 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > RichTravsky wrote:
> > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > On Sep 15, 9:50 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > On Sep 9, 8:40 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sep 4, 8:49 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Aug 26, 8:36 pm, RichTravsky <traRvEskyM...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Claudius Denk wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.livescience.com/22198-new-human-species-discovered.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > New fossils from the dawn of the human lineage suggest our ancestors may
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have lived alongside a diversity of extinct human species, researchers say.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now fossils between 1.78 million and 1.95 million years old discovered in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2007 and 2009 in northern Kenya suggest that early Homo were quite a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > diverse bunch,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hominids originally split up into different breeds, like dogs and/or
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > any species that have been domesticated by hominids/humans. This is a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > direct result of the (genetic) isolation associated with the communal
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > territorialism that framed the lifestyle of early hominids. The
> > > > > > > > > > > > > No Dimmie, this is one of the well known mechanisms of speciation.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Mechanisms? Show us the mechanism, you dufus.
> > > > > > > > > > > Why, your wish is my command! Read below:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > > > > > > > > > > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > > > > > > > > > > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > > > > > > > > > > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > > > > > > > > > > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Relevance? Keep in mind the rest of us don't have direct access to
> > > > > > > > > > > > your imagination.
> > > > > > > > > > > The mechanisms of speciation? DUH?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is Science, Monsieur Clod.
> > > > > > > > > > > > IOW, you really don't have a point, as usual.
> > > > > > > > > > > IOW, you got exposed again. Did you note the use of the word "isolation"
> > > > > > > > > > > in the wiki article excerpts?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > evidence has been greatly misinterpreted by modern anthropology. At
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no time did hominids live contemporaneous to other species of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > hominids. The bushiness of the hominid cladistic tree indicates
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > different "breeds" (or "races") of hominids. Not different species.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > reasoning is applicable to hominids.
> > > > > > > > > > If you ever do have a point . . . well, nevermind.
> > > > > > > > > Gosh, Dimmie, don't be angry. You discovered nothing new. The mechanisms
> > > > > > > > > of speciation have been around for some time.
> > > > > > > > And that's a different subject. you dingbat.
> > > > > > > It's what is being discussed above.
> > > > > > You never have a point.
> > > > > You can never keep up. Or educate yourself. Now, back to speciation...
> > > > > You have come up with *nothing* new. The mechanisms of speciation are
> > > > > briefly outlined above, and they've been known for some time. So
> > > > > your "Hominids originally split up into different breeds..." claptrap
> > > > > is hardly earth shaking.
> > > > If you believe that then you should stop whining and make a detailed
> > > > argument to that effect.
> > > It's what SCIENCE has found, based on research and evidence.
> > > Two things you don't have.
> > > Here's a review for you:
> > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > > ...
> > > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > > ...
> > > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > > ...
> > > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > > ...
> > > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > > ...
> > Here, I'll paste it back in more slowy, since it seems too much for
> > you to digest:
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution > > ...
> > There are four mechanisms for speciation. The most common in animals is
> > allopatric speciation, which occurs in populations initially isolated
> > geographically, such as by habitat fragmentation or migration.
> > ...
> > The second mechanism of speciation is peripatric speciation, which occurs
> > when small populations of organisms become isolated in a new environment.
> > This differs from allopatric speciation in that the isolated populations
> > are numerically much smaller than the parental population.
> > ...
> > The third mechanism of speciation is parapatric speciation. This is similar
> > to peripatric speciation in that a small population enters a new habitat,
> > but differs in that there is no physical separation between these two
> > populations. Instead, speciation results from the evolution of mechanisms
> > that reduce gene flow between the two populations
> > ...
> > Finally, in sympatric speciation species diverge without geographic
> > isolation or changes in habitat.
> > ...
> Why don't you admit that you really don't have a relevant point and
> move on.
What is your objection to the above mechanisms?
Why don't you admit you blew it? That you have nothing new? That real
scientists have already studied it?
I'm sorry, mental case, but no matter how
much you want those I.P. Addresses to be
mine they are never going to be. Your
mental illness is steering you wrong, AGAIN!
Now, I repeat for you to not understand:
Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> reasoning is applicable to hominids.
I hate to admit it, but you do have a point here. In
fact, it's worse than you make it out to be...
One COMMON argument against Neanderthal/Modern
interbreeding was that they were two different species,
and different species can't interbreed...
It was a seriously dumb argument even before all the
evidence for interbreeding, but there's an even more
comical example: The Triceratops Dinosaur!
Presently, the popular belief is that what was at one
time thought of as three separate species are actually
all members of the same species -- only at different
life stages!
And I have used the dog argument myself, many times.
It is undeniably true that, had all our current breeds
of dogs lived 50 million years ago instead of today,
"Scientist" would be claiming that they were all different
species... and just think of what they would have made
of our mutts!
"JTEM" <j_deerfi...@hotmail.com>
Jack Teehan <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight <deerfieldproducti...@gmail.com>
Seth Dwight: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153
In His Glory: NNTP-Posting-Host: 71.232.83.153
On Oct 6, 10:31 pm, JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Now, I repeat
Repeating your stupidity isn't going to make it come true.
I'm sorry, mental case, but no matter how
much you want those I.P. Addresses to be
mine they are never going to be. Your
mental illness is steering you wrong, AGAIN!
Now, I repeat for you to not understand:
Claudius Denk <claudiusd...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> If we were looking back on canine evolution from millions of years
> into the future we would conclude that toy terriers and great danes
> were members of different species. But they aren't. The same
> reasoning is applicable to hominids.
I hate to admit it, but you do have a point here. In
fact, it's worse than you make it out to be...
One COMMON argument against Neanderthal/Modern
interbreeding was that they were two different species,
and different species can't interbreed...
It was a seriously dumb argument even before all the
evidence for interbreeding, but there's an even more
comical example: The Triceratops Dinosaur!
Presently, the popular belief is that what was at one
time thought of as three separate species are actually
all members of the same species -- only at different
life stages!
And I have used the dog argument myself, many times.
It is undeniably true that, had all our current breeds
of dogs lived 50 million years ago instead of today,
"Scientist" would be claiming that they were all different
species... and just think of what they would have made
of our mutts!
