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Eat Mor Rice
Jan 30, 2012, 12:28:14 PM1/30/12
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http://www.agriculture.com/news/crops/wst-is-yet-to-come-from-la-
nina_2-ar21287
The U.S. corn and wheat belt are likely to suffer drought next
year, as the worst is still to come from weather phenomenon La
Nina, William C. Patzert, climatologist at the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration, told Dow Jones Newswires
Thursday.
"Drought in the U.S. corn and wheat belt has the strong
possibility repeating itself," NASA's Patzert said. "After 22
December, the first day of winter, the main event kicks in.
Classic La Nina impacts are during winter through spring."
La Nina is a periodic climatic phenomenon that brings more rain
to the western Pacific, and to a lesser extent, to the eastern
Pacific. Climatologists and commodity analysts blamed La Nina
for drought that ravaged the U.S. wheat crop and dryness across
the U.S. corn belt earlier this year. Last summer was the
hottest since the 1950s in the heart of the corn belt, including
Iowa and Illinois.
nina_2-ar21287
The U.S. corn and wheat belt are likely to suffer drought next
year, as the worst is still to come from weather phenomenon La
Nina, William C. Patzert, climatologist at the National
Aeronautics and Space Administration, told Dow Jones Newswires
Thursday.
"Drought in the U.S. corn and wheat belt has the strong
possibility repeating itself," NASA's Patzert said. "After 22
December, the first day of winter, the main event kicks in.
Classic La Nina impacts are during winter through spring."
La Nina is a periodic climatic phenomenon that brings more rain
to the western Pacific, and to a lesser extent, to the eastern
Pacific. Climatologists and commodity analysts blamed La Nina
for drought that ravaged the U.S. wheat crop and dryness across
the U.S. corn belt earlier this year. Last summer was the
hottest since the 1950s in the heart of the corn belt, including
Iowa and Illinois.
Dawlish
Jan 30, 2012, 2:15:21 PM1/30/12
to
do with La Nina. Same with current droughts in South America. They
will end in the next couple of years, as the cycle will turn towards
El Nino conditions. Then we'll see other weather effects
elsewhere......but we'll also see global temperature records being set
deniers, won't we?
Shall not be infringed
Jan 30, 2012, 4:54:30 PM1/30/12
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n o w J o b @snowjob AGWFibs
Jan 30, 2012, 8:34:42 PM1/30/12
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"Eat Mor Rice" <wan...@china.cn> wrote in message
news:MJD4NX8X4093...@reece.net.au...
Yet one more dud AGW prediction!
"Scientists": Global Warming Will Make El Ninos Permanent
The warmists were saying this just before the worldwide flooding!
26 Dec 1997
El Nino events occur on average every five years, and last up to 18 months.
However research now suggests that they are now occurring every three years.
In the last decade alone there have been five.
Gore noted that El Nino events had become ''more and more commonplace'' and
that global temperatures had risen along with them. ''I hope they don't
become more commonplace, but that's what the pattern appears to indicate,''
he said.
Russ Schnell, a "scientist" doing atmospheric research at Mauna Loa
Observatory in Hawaii says: ''It appears that we have a very good case for
suggesting that the El Ninos are going to become more frequent, and they're
going to become more intense and in a few years, or a decade or so, we'll go
into a permanent El Nino.''
He suggests that instead of having cool water periods between El Ninos for a
year or two, ''we'll have El Nino upon El Nino, and that will become the
norm.
And you'll have an El Nino, that instead of lasting 18 months, lasts 18
years.''
http://www.ips.fi/koulut/199802/2.htm
Warmest Regards
B O N Z O
"It is a remarkable fact that despite the worldwide expenditure of perhaps
US$50 billion since 1990, and the efforts of tens of thousands of scientists
worldwide, no human climate signal has yet been detected that is distinct
from natural variation."
Bob Carter, Research Professor of Geology, James Cook University, Townsville
"A major problem has been the co-option of climate science by politics,
ambition, greed, and what seems to be a hereditary human need for a
righteous cause."
"What better cause than "saving" the planet, especially if one can get
ample, secure funding at the same time?"
William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, Princeton
University.
"The claim is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8ºK in
about 150 years, which, if true, means to me that the temperature has been
amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely
improved in this 'warming' period,".
Nobel Laureate Dr. Ivar Giaever:
"If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"
Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
Former IPCC Lead Author
"A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
global warming."
"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
"Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"
"The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
"Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
at condemning fossil fuels!"
http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exaggerated
Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher
"All it takes to find oneself called a 'denier' is to seek a sense of
proportion about environmental problems"
Mark Lynas, The God Species
Shall not be infringed
Jan 30, 2012, 11:09:58 PM1/30/12
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On Jan 30, 8:34 pm, "AGWFibs" <S n o w J o b @S n o
w J o b> wrote:
> "Eat Mor Rice" <wan...@china.cn> wrote in messagenews:MJD4NX8X4093...@reece.net.au...
> http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-great...
w J o b> wrote:
> "Eat Mor Rice" <wan...@china.cn> wrote in messagenews:MJD4NX8X4093...@reece.net.au...
>
> Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
> that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
> couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
> journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
>
> Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher
>
> "All it takes to find oneself called a 'denier' is to seek a sense of
> proportion about environmental problems"
>
> Mark Lynas, The God Species
Thank you.
> Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
> that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
> couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
> journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
>
> Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher
>
> "All it takes to find oneself called a 'denier' is to seek a sense of
> proportion about environmental problems"
>
> Mark Lynas, The God Species
AGWFacts
Feb 1, 2012, 9:35:49 PM2/1/12
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highest in USA history; droughts in the corn belt of the USA do
not always La Nina events, but they do most of the time---- La
Nina moves precipitation south-westward, over the Pacific ocean,
when it would have otherwise fallen on land.
By early summer La Nina will likely be over. By spring of year
2013 we are likely to see record high temperatures being set
again. Reality-deniers here will continue to insist that all of
the world's experts in the subject are wrong about the cause.
--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca
Dawlish
Feb 2, 2012, 3:08:07 AM2/2/12
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On Feb 2, 2:35 am, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:15:21 -0800 (PST), Dawlish
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> <pjg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 5:28 pm, "Eat Mor Rice" <wan...@china.cn> wrote:
> > >http://www.agriculture.com/news/crops/wst-is-yet-to-come-from-la-nina...
> On Mon, 30 Jan 2012 11:15:21 -0800 (PST), Dawlish
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> <pjg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jan 30, 5:28 pm, "Eat Mor Rice" <wan...@china.cn> wrote:
>
>
Will ENSO neutral conditions produce record global temperatures, even
higher than those experienced during the super El Nino of 1998? They
certainly shouldn't do, but if they do, it will be convincing proof,
for me, that CO2 is the driver of that warming and no other cause has
any kind of believable claim to be.
AGWFacts
Feb 3, 2012, 10:43:52 PM2/3/12
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On Wed, 01 Feb 2012 19:35:49 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org>
wrote:
... and the alarmist deniers will stidd refuse to bet me $100 on
the statement.
wrote:
the statement.
AGWFacts
Feb 3, 2012, 10:47:19 PM2/3/12
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On Thu, 2 Feb 2012 00:08:07 -0800 (PST), Dawlish
neutral conditions lasting as long as 18 months (rare) to 6 months
(also rare). I have $100 that says that even during neutral ENSO
conditions during the last half of year 2012 and most of year
2013, year 2013 will still set the record high global average
temperature.
> They certainly shouldn't do, but if they do, it will be convincing proof,
> for me, that CO2 is the driver of that warming and no other cause has
> any kind of believable claim to be.
At the moment only the increase in atmospheric CO2 explains the
increased global average temperature.
--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
to increase perhaps another 100ppm - 300ppm." -- cato...@sympatico.ca
> Will ENSO neutral conditions produce record global temperatures, even
> higher than those experienced during the super El Nino of 1998?
The odds, accordig to past history, show a nine-month lag, with
> higher than those experienced during the super El Nino of 1998?
neutral conditions lasting as long as 18 months (rare) to 6 months
(also rare). I have $100 that says that even during neutral ENSO
conditions during the last half of year 2012 and most of year
2013, year 2013 will still set the record high global average
temperature.
> They certainly shouldn't do, but if they do, it will be convincing proof,
> for me, that CO2 is the driver of that warming and no other cause has
> any kind of believable claim to be.
increased global average temperature.
--
"I'd like the globe to warm another degree or two or three... and CO2 levels
Gunner Asch
Feb 4, 2012, 1:33:01 AM2/4/12
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:43:52 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>>
>> By early summer La Nina will likely be over. By spring of year
>> 2013 we are likely to see record high temperatures being set
>> again. Reality-deniers here will continue to insist that all of
>> the world's experts in the subject are wrong about the cause.
>
>... and the alarmist deniers will stidd refuse to bet me $100 on
>the statement.
>
"alarmist deniers"?????
>>
>> By early summer La Nina will likely be over. By spring of year
>> 2013 we are likely to see record high temperatures being set
>> again. Reality-deniers here will continue to insist that all of
>> the world's experts in the subject are wrong about the cause.
>
>... and the alarmist deniers will stidd refuse to bet me $100 on
>the statement.
>
Isnt that an oxymoron? LIke...Intelligent Leftwingers and military
intelligence and Good Democrat?
Gunner
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch
Gunner Asch
Feb 4, 2012, 1:45:20 AM2/4/12
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On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:47:19 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>
>The odds, accordig to past history, show a nine-month lag, with
>neutral conditions lasting as long as 18 months (rare) to 6 months
>(also rare). I have $100 that says that even during neutral ENSO
>conditions during the last half of year 2012 and most of year
>2013, year 2013 will still set the record high global average
>temperature.
So we will be farming in Greenland again?
>
>The odds, accordig to past history, show a nine-month lag, with
>neutral conditions lasting as long as 18 months (rare) to 6 months
>(also rare). I have $100 that says that even during neutral ENSO
>conditions during the last half of year 2012 and most of year
>2013, year 2013 will still set the record high global average
>temperature.
The reason old boy nobody bets with you...is that no one hear wants to
be accused of taking money from a retarded child.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
And before you get your widdle hackles up...might want to read this with
an open mind...well..I know thats impossible for YOU..but the other
readers....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishment-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/the-medieval-warm-period-a-global-phenonmena-unprecedented-warming-or-unprecedented-data-manipulation/
Dawlish
Feb 4, 2012, 5:23:55 AM2/4/12
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>
>
Hi D, research says otherwise. 3-6 months. This shows the atmospheric
response lag to El Nino events and the lag response to La Nina events
is similar. Thus, if we begin to move towards the next El Nino in
Autumn, your bet may well be successful. If it doesn't happen until
next summer, I doubt whether you'll win. Only personal opinion, of
course and the underlying warming may be greater than we think and may
establish record conditions earlier than one might expect - but I do
expect record annual global temperatures to happen again during the
next El Nino and so does every climate denier/sceptic who posts to
this board.
For agenda ridden reasons, they just won't say so and would rather try
to lie about GW having stopped in 1998.
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/full/10.1175/1520-0442%281999%29012%3C0917%3ARSSTVD%3E2.0.CO%3B2
Shall not be infringed
Feb 4, 2012, 11:38:22 AM2/4/12
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Idiots will ask why the American METEOROLOGICAL Society publishes a
Journal of Climate.
I'm not one of those idiots.
Billy
Feb 24, 2012, 1:39:16 PM2/24/12
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In article <n6kpi790onrvd9emk...@4ax.com>,
Another fact free post by Gunner Arschloch.
By the above definition, you are a libtard yourself ;O)
So what does CO2 do, Arschloch? Does it capture heat, or acidify oceans?
The warming planet releases more methane from frozen tundra. Methane is
21 times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. Diminishing
snow cover reduces albedo, allowing the ground and water to warm more.
A warming planet evaporates more water, which is also a greenhouse gas.
More water vapor, and warmer oceans mean bigger storms that are driven
by the heat of condensation. More heat means smaller harvests of food.
Higher ocean levels from melting ice caps means flooding of rice growing
regions in the Mekong delta.
The trouble with stupid people (like Gunny) , regardless of their
political bents, is that they embrace the dogma, and ignore the facts.
--
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
The GOP is chasing us towards a cliff called "Obama."
Vote 3rd Party
By the above definition, you are a libtard yourself ;O)
So what does CO2 do, Arschloch? Does it capture heat, or acidify oceans?
The warming planet releases more methane from frozen tundra. Methane is
21 times more potent than CO2 as a greenhouse gas. Diminishing
snow cover reduces albedo, allowing the ground and water to warm more.
A warming planet evaporates more water, which is also a greenhouse gas.
More water vapor, and warmer oceans mean bigger storms that are driven
by the heat of condensation. More heat means smaller harvests of food.
Higher ocean levels from melting ice caps means flooding of rice growing
regions in the Mekong delta.
The trouble with stupid people (like Gunny) , regardless of their
political bents, is that they embrace the dogma, and ignore the facts.
--
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
The GOP is chasing us towards a cliff called "Obama."
Vote 3rd Party
Billy
Feb 24, 2012, 2:02:36 PM2/24/12
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In article <q9kpi71r3n7sgvkt6...@4ax.com>,
plowing it.
I am not surprised to see the ignorance displayed here, just
disappointed that all of it is from the United States, after our
Dumbing-down by Reagan. After him, it was okay to be ignorant, if you
had strongly-held biases. Religion was even better. Do these silly folk
think that all of the proof of climate change is in the records of one
person? We have centuries of information, tree rings, ice cores,
geological records, carbon dating, satellite data, all of which
interrelate and reinforce the climate change phenomenon. When the People
follow what they want to believe, they leave themselves open to
manipulation by those like Bush and Cheney, who played them like
gut-bucket fiddles.
- gkam, pleasant hill, ca, USA, 05/11/2010 05:18
DrSteve wrote: "The man-made global warming theories have no mechanism
to account for a cooling planet (period)." Yes, they do (irrespective of
your parenthetical punctuation). Many factors influence climate. For
example, Earth has an irregularly eliptical revolution around the sun.
Sometimes, the path brings us closer to the sun; other times, we are
further away. The change influences global temperatures, so climate
models account for those effects. That is, human activity can make Earth
warmer than it would have been otherwise, but we might still experience
cyclical cooling (or leveling). (My guess is that your doctorate is not
a Ph.D. in a scientific field. I hope it isn't.) Perhaps you are under
the impression that any valid predictor must act alone and account for
100% of the variance in a dependent variable. Unfortunately, climate is
more complex than that. The data that you suggest were manufactured are
publicly available. You don't need to rely on Dr. Jones.
- ncooty, Arlington, VA, USA, 18/2/2010 20:21
Lastly, take this hockey stick and shove it.
Scientific American Magazine >> March 2012
"Hockey Stick" Scientist Cross-Checks Critics: A Q&A with Michael E.
Mann [Preview]
Michael E. Mann set out looking for a big scientific problem and wound
up at the center of a political storm over climate change. Now he tells
his side of the story
You won't want to read it, Arschloch.
Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:47:19 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >The odds, accordig to past history, show a nine-month lag, with
> >neutral conditions lasting as long as 18 months (rare) to 6 months
> >(also rare). I have $100 that says that even during neutral ENSO
> >conditions during the last half of year 2012 and most of year
> >2013, year 2013 will still set the record high global average
> >temperature.
>
> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
> On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:47:19 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWF...@ipcc.org> wrote:
>
> >
> >The odds, accordig to past history, show a nine-month lag, with
> >neutral conditions lasting as long as 18 months (rare) to 6 months
> >(also rare). I have $100 that says that even during neutral ENSO
> >conditions during the last half of year 2012 and most of year
> >2013, year 2013 will still set the record high global average
> >temperature.
>
> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
plowing it.
>
> The reason old boy nobody bets with you...is that no one hear wants to
> be accused of taking money from a retarded child.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
>
> And before you get your widdle hackles up...
Shelly, is that you? :O)
> The reason old boy nobody bets with you...is that no one hear wants to
> be accused of taking money from a retarded child.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Warm_Period
>
> And before you get your widdle hackles up...
> might want to read this with
> an open mind...well..I know thats impossible for YOU..but the other
> readers....
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishmen
> t-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
>
> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/the-medieval-warm-period-a-global-phenon
> mena-unprecedented-warming-or-unprecedented-data-manipulation/
>
>
>
> Gunner
>
> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
> Gunner Arschloch
> an open mind...well..I know thats impossible for YOU..but the other
> readers....
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250872/Climategate-U-turn-Astonishmen
> t-scientist-centre-global-warming-email-row-admits-data-organised.html
>
> http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/29/the-medieval-warm-period-a-global-phenon
> mena-unprecedented-warming-or-unprecedented-data-manipulation/
>
>
>
> Gunner
>
> One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
I am not surprised to see the ignorance displayed here, just
disappointed that all of it is from the United States, after our
Dumbing-down by Reagan. After him, it was okay to be ignorant, if you
had strongly-held biases. Religion was even better. Do these silly folk
think that all of the proof of climate change is in the records of one
person? We have centuries of information, tree rings, ice cores,
geological records, carbon dating, satellite data, all of which
interrelate and reinforce the climate change phenomenon. When the People
follow what they want to believe, they leave themselves open to
manipulation by those like Bush and Cheney, who played them like
gut-bucket fiddles.
- gkam, pleasant hill, ca, USA, 05/11/2010 05:18
DrSteve wrote: "The man-made global warming theories have no mechanism
to account for a cooling planet (period)." Yes, they do (irrespective of
your parenthetical punctuation). Many factors influence climate. For
example, Earth has an irregularly eliptical revolution around the sun.
Sometimes, the path brings us closer to the sun; other times, we are
further away. The change influences global temperatures, so climate
models account for those effects. That is, human activity can make Earth
warmer than it would have been otherwise, but we might still experience
cyclical cooling (or leveling). (My guess is that your doctorate is not
a Ph.D. in a scientific field. I hope it isn't.) Perhaps you are under
the impression that any valid predictor must act alone and account for
100% of the variance in a dependent variable. Unfortunately, climate is
more complex than that. The data that you suggest were manufactured are
publicly available. You don't need to rely on Dr. Jones.
- ncooty, Arlington, VA, USA, 18/2/2010 20:21
Lastly, take this hockey stick and shove it.
Scientific American Magazine >> March 2012
"Hockey Stick" Scientist Cross-Checks Critics: A Q&A with Michael E.
Mann [Preview]
Michael E. Mann set out looking for a big scientific problem and wound
up at the center of a political storm over climate change. Now he tells
his side of the story
You won't want to read it, Arschloch.
Frank
Feb 24, 2012, 2:06:29 PM2/24/12
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Early spring will get you back to the garden.
Billy
Feb 24, 2012, 2:44:46 PM2/24/12
to
In article <4f27452d$1...@dnews.tpgi.com.au>,
And that's a reason not to address it?
In 1989 in the US, the petroleum and automotive industries and the
National Association of Manufacturers created the Global Climate
Coalition (GCC) to oppose mandatory actions to address global warming.
In 1997, when the US Senate overwhelmingly passed a resolution against
ratifying the Kyoto Protocol, the industry funded a $13 million industry
advertising blitz in the run-up to the vote.[1]
In 1998 the New York Times published an American Petroleum Institute
(API) memo outlining a strategy aiming to make "recognition of
uncertainty ... part of the 'conventional wisdom.'"[2] The memo has been
compared to a late 1960s memo by tobacco company Brown and Williamson,
which observed: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of
competing with the Œbody of fact' that exists in the mind of the general
public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy."[3] Those
involved in the memo included Jeffrey Salmon, then executive director of
the George C. Marshall Institute, Steven Milloy, a prominent skeptic
commentator, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute's Myron Ebell.[3]
In June 2005 a former API lawyer, Philip Cooney, resigned his White
House post after accusations of politically motivated tampering with
scientific reports.[4]
<http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm>.
existence of hominids.
over population means that aquifers can't recharge as quickly as they
are drawn down.
Global Warming, over population, dwindling water resources are all
coming to bite us. Too bad there aren't people to look out for us, and
make recommendations for the future, but sadly our politicians have
already been purchased by "for profit" corporations.
>
>
>
> "All it takes to find oneself called a 'denier' is to seek a sense of
> proportion about environmental problems"
>
> Mark Lynas, The God Species
Sorry to insert myself into an intelligent conversation, but when I saw
that fool Gunny Arschloch, I couldn't resist.
Billy, The Human Species.
"AGWFibs" <S n o w J o b @S n o w J o b>
wrote:
wrote:
>
>
>
> "A major problem has been the co-option of climate science by politics,
> ambition, greed, and what seems to be a hereditary human need for a
> righteous cause."
>
> "What better cause than "saving" the planet, especially if one can get
> ample, secure funding at the same time?"
>
> William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, Princeton
> University.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_action_on_climate_change>
>
>
> "A major problem has been the co-option of climate science by politics,
> ambition, greed, and what seems to be a hereditary human need for a
> righteous cause."
>
> "What better cause than "saving" the planet, especially if one can get
> ample, secure funding at the same time?"
>
> William Happer, Cyrus Fogg Brackett Professor of Physics, Princeton
> University.
In 1989 in the US, the petroleum and automotive industries and the
National Association of Manufacturers created the Global Climate
Coalition (GCC) to oppose mandatory actions to address global warming.
In 1997, when the US Senate overwhelmingly passed a resolution against
ratifying the Kyoto Protocol, the industry funded a $13 million industry
advertising blitz in the run-up to the vote.[1]
In 1998 the New York Times published an American Petroleum Institute
(API) memo outlining a strategy aiming to make "recognition of
uncertainty ... part of the 'conventional wisdom.'"[2] The memo has been
compared to a late 1960s memo by tobacco company Brown and Williamson,
which observed: "Doubt is our product since it is the best means of
competing with the Œbody of fact' that exists in the mind of the general
public. It is also the means of establishing a controversy."[3] Those
involved in the memo included Jeffrey Salmon, then executive director of
the George C. Marshall Institute, Steven Milloy, a prominent skeptic
commentator, and the Competitive Enterprise Institute's Myron Ebell.[3]
In June 2005 a former API lawyer, Philip Cooney, resigned his White
House post after accusations of politically motivated tampering with
scientific reports.[4]
>
>
>
> "The claim is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8ºK in
> about 150 years, which, if true, means to me that the temperature has been
> amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely
> improved in this 'warming' period,".
>
> Nobel Laureate Dr. Ivar Giaever:
And the American Physical Society says he's wrong in his conclusions
>
>
> "The claim is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8ºK in
> about 150 years, which, if true, means to me that the temperature has been
> amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely
> improved in this 'warming' period,".
>
> Nobel Laureate Dr. Ivar Giaever:
<http://www.aps.org/policy/statements/07_1.cfm>.
>
>
>
> "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
> now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"
>
> Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
> Former IPCC Lead Author
Oh, it has tipped, but the recovery time has taken longer than the
>
>
> "If climate has not "tipped" in over 4 billion years it's not going to tip
> now due to mankind. The planet has a natural thermostat"
>
> Richard S. Lindzen, Atmospheric Physicist, Professor of Meteorology MIT,
> Former IPCC Lead Author
existence of hominids.
>
>
>
> "A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
> method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
> global warming."
>
> "The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
>
>
>
> "Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
> show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
> result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
> and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"
>
> "The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
Uh huh, a newspaper columnist with the Daily Mail.
>
>
> "A core problem is that science has given way to ideology. The scientific
> method has been dispensed with, or abused, to serve the myth of man-made
> global warming."
>
> "The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
>
>
>
> "Computer models are built in an almost backwards fashion: The goal is to
> show evidence of AGW, and the "scientists" go to work to produce such a
> result. When even these models fail to show what advocates want, the data
> and interpretations are "fudged" to bring about the desired result"
>
> "The World Turned Upside Down", Melanie Phillips
>
>
>
> "Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
> environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
> at condemning fossil fuels!"
>
> http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exagge
> rated
Tell it to the coral reefs.
>
>
> "Ocean acidification looks suspiciously like a back-up plan by the
> environmental pressure groups in case the climate fails to warm: another try
> at condemning fossil fuels!"
>
> http://www.rationaloptimist.com/blog/threat-ocean-acidification-greatly-exagge
> rated
>
>
>
> Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
> that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
> couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
> journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
>
> Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher
Global warming reduces glaciers that people depend on for water, and
>
>
> Before attacking hypothetical problems, let us first solve the real problems
> that threaten humanity. One single water pump at an equivalent cost of a
> couple of solar panels can indeed spare hundreds of Sahel women the daily
> journey to the spring and spare many infections and lives.
>
> Martin De Vlieghere, philosopher
over population means that aquifers can't recharge as quickly as they
are drawn down.
Global Warming, over population, dwindling water resources are all
coming to bite us. Too bad there aren't people to look out for us, and
make recommendations for the future, but sadly our politicians have
already been purchased by "for profit" corporations.
>
>
>
> "All it takes to find oneself called a 'denier' is to seek a sense of
> proportion about environmental problems"
>
> Mark Lynas, The God Species
that fool Gunny Arschloch, I couldn't resist.
Billy, The Human Species.
Billy
Feb 24, 2012, 2:48:12 PM2/24/12
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In article
<bf584c0d-c1b0-4778...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
Well, they are corporate sponsored, aren't they?
<http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530_comment.php#48355>
Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC?
by systemfailure Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 1:43 AM
So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who
owns what you think.......
GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election
campaign)
Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet
the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news
service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time
Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.
Other Holdings:
* GE Consumer Electronics.
* GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclear reactors and power
plants.
* GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
* GE Transportation Systems: runs diesel and electric trains.
==================================================
WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business
Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)
Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan
Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports
networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power
industry.
* Westinghouse Government Environmental Services Company: disposes of
nuclear and hazardous wastes. Also operates 4 government-owned nuclear
power plants in the US.
* Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance.
================================================================
VIACOM INTERNATIONAL INC.
Television Holdings:
* Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The
Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance
Channel (joint owner), Flix.
* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous
Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.
=============================================
DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign)
Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning
America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E,
History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).
Other Holdings:
* Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
* All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
======================================================
TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warnerthe largest merger in
corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner
Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega
Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million
subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema,
Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA,
Sub Pop (distribution) = the worldšs largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style,
Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics
(50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship
Wrestling.
=======================================================
NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see
bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks
include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox,
Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India;
Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan
(80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post,
the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
OTHER HOLDINGS:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).
*(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*
And lest we forget
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw&feature=relmfu>
<bf584c0d-c1b0-4778...@h6g2000yqk.googlegroups.com>,
<http://la.indymedia.org/news/2003/04/47530_comment.php#48355>
Who owns CNN? or MSNBC? ABC?
by systemfailure Wednesday, Apr. 09, 2003 at 1:43 AM
So ya think we have a "free press" eh? Check out who owns who, and who
owns what you think.......
GENERAL ELECTRIC --(donated 1.1 million to GW Bush for his 2000 election
campaign)
Television Holdings:
* NBC: includes 13 stations, 28% of US households.
* NBC Network News: The Today Show, Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Meet
the Press, Dateline NBC, NBC News at Sunrise.
* CNBC business television; MSNBC 24-hour cable and Internet news
service (co-owned by NBC and Microsoft); Court TV (co-owned with Time
Warner), Bravo (50%), A&E (25%), History Channel (25%).
The "MS" in MSNBC
means microsoft
The same Microsoft that donated 2.4 million to get GW bush elected.
Other Holdings:
* GE Consumer Electronics.
* GE Power Systems: produces turbines for nuclear reactors and power
plants.
* GE Plastics: produces military hardware and nuclear power equipment.
* GE Transportation Systems: runs diesel and electric trains.
==================================================
WESTINGHOUSE / CBS INC.
Westinghouse Electric Company, part of the Nuclear Utilities Business
Group of British Nuclear Fuels (BNFL)
whos #1 on the Board of Directors? None other than:
Frank Carlucci (of the Carlyle Group)
Television Holdings:
* CBS: includes 14 stations and over 200 affiliates in the US.
* CBS Network News: 60 minutes, 48 hours, CBS Evening News with Dan
Rather, CBS Morning News, Up to the Minute.
* Country Music Television, The Nashville Network, 2 regional sports
networks.
* Group W Satellite Communications.
Other Holdings:
* Westinghouse Electric Company: provides services to the nuclear power
industry.
* Westinghouse Government Environmental Services Company: disposes of
nuclear and hazardous wastes. Also operates 4 government-owned nuclear
power plants in the US.
* Energy Systems: provides nuclear power plant design and maintenance.
================================================================
VIACOM INTERNATIONAL INC.
Television Holdings:
* Paramount Television, Spelling Television, MTV, VH-1, Showtime, The
Movie Channel, UPN (joint owner), Nickelodeon, Comedy Central, Sundance
Channel (joint owner), Flix.
* 20 major market US stations.
Media Holdings:
* Paramount Pictures, Paramount Home Video, Blockbuster Video, Famous
Players Theatres, Paramount Parks.
* Simon & Schuster Publishing.
=============================================
DISNEY / ABC / CAP (donated 640 thousand to GW's 2000 campaign)
Television Holdings:
* ABC: includes 10 stations, 24% of US households.
* ABC Network News: Prime Time Live, Nightline, 20/20, Good Morning
America.
* ESPN, Lifetime Television (50%), as well as minority holdings in A&E,
History Channel and E!
* Disney Channel/Disney Television, Touchtone Television.
Media Holdings:
* Miramax, Touchtone Pictures.
* Magazines: Jane, Los Angeles Magazine, W, Discover.
* 3 music labels, 11 major local newspapers.
* Hyperion book publishers.
* Infoseek Internet search engine (43%).
Other Holdings:
* Sid R. Bass (major shares) crude oil and gas.
* All Disney Theme Parks, Walt Disney Cruise Lines.
======================================================
TIME-WARNER TBS - AOL (donated 1.6 million to GW's 2000 campaign)
America Online (AOL) acquired Time Warnerthe largest merger in
corporate history.
Television Holdings:
* CNN, HBO, Cinemax, TBS Superstation, Turner Network Television, Turner
Classic Movies, Warner Brothers Television, Cartoon Network, Sega
Channel, TNT, Comedy Central (50%), E! (49%), Court TV (50%).
* Largest owner of cable systems in the US with an estimated 13 million
subscribers.
Media Holdings:
* HBO Independent Productions, Warner Home Video, New Line Cinema,
Castle Rock, Looney Tunes, Hanna-Barbera.
* Music: Atlantic, Elektra, Rhino, Sire, Warner Bros. Records, EMI, WEA,
Sub Pop (distribution) = the worldšs largest music company.
* 33 magazines including Time, Sports Illustrated, People, In Style,
Fortune, Book of the Month Club, Entertainment Weekly, Life, DC Comics
(50%), and MAD Magazine.
Other Holdings:
* Sports: The Atlanta Braves, The Atlanta Hawks, World Championship
Wrestling.
=======================================================
NEWS CORPORATION LTD. / FOX NETWORKS (Rupert Murdoch) (donations see
bottom note)
Television Holdings:
* Fox Television: includes 22 stations, 50% of US households.
* Fox International: extensive worldwide cable and satellite networks
include British Sky Broadcasting (40%); VOX, Germany (49.9%); Canal Fox,
Latin America; FOXTEL, Australia (50%); STAR TV, Asia; IskyB, India;
Bahasa Programming Ltd., Indonesia (50%); and News Broadcasting, Japan
(80%).
* The Golf Channel (33%).
MEDIA HOLDINGS:
* Twentieth Century Fox, Fox Searchlight.
* 132 newspapers (113 in Australia alone) including the New York Post,
the London Times and The Australian.
* 25 magazines including TV Guide and The Weekly Standard.
* HarperCollins books.
OTHER HOLDINGS:
* Sports: LA Dodgers, LA Kings, LA Lakers, National Rugby League.
* Ansett Australia airlines, Ansett New Zealand airlines.
* Rupert Murdoch: Board of Directors, Philip Morris (USA).
*(Phillip Morris donated 2.9 million to George W Bush in 2000)*
And lest we forget
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZkDikRLQrw&feature=relmfu>
Shall not be infringed
Feb 24, 2012, 7:12:56 PM2/24/12
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On Feb 24, 1:39 pm, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <n6kpi790onrvd9emkheg71ufff3um8g...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
Thank God for greenhouse gasses. Without them earth would be like
mars.
> In article <n6kpi790onrvd9emkheg71ufff3um8g...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
mars.
Gunner Asch
Feb 25, 2012, 3:42:35 PM2/25/12
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On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
>We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
>plowing it.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
>We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
>plowing it.
--
One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Gunner Asch
in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
Dawlish
Feb 25, 2012, 4:29:50 PM2/25/12
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On Feb 25, 8:42 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
>
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
>
don't see many high IQs, do you?
Billy
Mar 5, 2012, 1:54:11 PM3/5/12
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In article <ophik7t9lrrpvjang...@4ax.com>,
reading "Collapse" by Jared Diamond, page 211.
<http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Succeed-Revised/dp/01431
17009/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330972952&sr=1-1>
Yes, Gunny, Iceland wins, Canada wins, Russia wins, relatively speaking.
Their storms, like everybody's storms, will be bigger and stronger, but
their agricultural out-put will be larger, even as there are massive
declines in crop yields in the rest of the world as the human population
continues to rise. Your dream, Gunny, is a nightmare.
http://www.alternet.org/story/154082/conservatism_thrives_on_low_intellig
ence_and_poor_information/
Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
> <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
> >We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
> >plowing it.
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html
Oh goody, Gunny can read, but the operational word was "again". Try
> On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
> <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >>
> >> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
> >We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
> >plowing it.
>
> http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html
reading "Collapse" by Jared Diamond, page 211.
<http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Succeed-Revised/dp/01431
17009/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330972952&sr=1-1>
Yes, Gunny, Iceland wins, Canada wins, Russia wins, relatively speaking.
Their storms, like everybody's storms, will be bigger and stronger, but
their agricultural out-put will be larger, even as there are massive
declines in crop yields in the rest of the world as the human population
continues to rise. Your dream, Gunny, is a nightmare.
http://www.alternet.org/story/154082/conservatism_thrives_on_low_intellig
ence_and_poor_information/
Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
Frank
Mar 5, 2012, 2:29:39 PM3/5/12
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Billy
Mar 5, 2012, 2:43:07 PM3/5/12
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In article <ji8n3l$o7d$1...@dont-email.me>,
"Our England is a garden, and such gardens are not made
By singing 'Oh how wonderful' and sitting in the shade,
While better men than you go out, and start their working lives
By grubbing weeds from garden paths with broken dinner knives." -
Rudyard Kipling, author, 1865 1936
By singing 'Oh how wonderful' and sitting in the shade,
While better men than you go out, and start their working lives
By grubbing weeds from garden paths with broken dinner knives." -
Rudyard Kipling, author, 1865 1936
Billy
Mar 5, 2012, 4:21:33 PM3/5/12
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In article
<d49c6153-4db5-4c30...@gi10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Not the brightest bulb in the pack, are you?
Mars has greenhouse gases. Have a nice vacation ;O)
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
<d49c6153-4db5-4c30...@gi10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Mars has greenhouse gases. Have a nice vacation ;O)
--
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
Know where your money is tonight?
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
Gunner Asch
Mar 5, 2012, 7:31:02 PM3/5/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:54:11 -0800, Billy
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
>There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
>childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
>ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
>--
>
>Billy
Ayup it sure does. Which is why Democrats..the few smart ones, are
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
>Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
>There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
>childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
>ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
>--
>
>Billy
fleeing the Democratic Party enmass and becoming Independants, or
Republicans.
Damned shame you are too unintelligent to understand this.
Shrug..but then..leftwingers do tend to be retarded and mentally ill.
Gunner
--
"The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
fools that made him their prince".
Gunner Asch
Mar 5, 2012, 7:32:35 PM3/5/12
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And when the earth is cooling (the past 15 yrs)..so has Mars.
Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
freon,eh wot?
Shall not be infringed
Mar 5, 2012, 7:39:31 PM3/5/12
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On Mar 5, 7:32 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:21:33 -0800, Billy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:21:33 -0800, Billy
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >In article
> ><d49c6153-4db5-4c30-b163-b3da60210...@gi10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
Billy
Mar 6, 2012, 1:08:17 AM3/6/12
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In article <mimal7pdesp1obkkl...@4ax.com>,
the RNC he still does. Who is the Green Party candidate this time?
Whoever it is, they have my vote.
Gunner Arschloch <gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:54:11 -0800, Billy
> <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> >Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
> >There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
> >childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
> >ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
> >--
> >
> >Billy
>
> Ayup it sure does. Which is why Democrats..the few smart ones, are
> fleeing the Democratic Party enmass and becoming Independants, or
> Republicans.
>
> Damned shame you are too unintelligent to understand this.
>
> Shrug..but then..leftwingers do tend to be retarded and mentally ill.
I gave a citation that says the opposite. Wat 'chew got Arschloch?
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:54:11 -0800, Billy
> <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >
> >Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
> >There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
> >childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
> >ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
> >--
> >
> >Billy
>
> Ayup it sure does. Which is why Democrats..the few smart ones, are
> fleeing the Democratic Party enmass and becoming Independants, or
> Republicans.
>
> Damned shame you are too unintelligent to understand this.
>
> Shrug..but then..leftwingers do tend to be retarded and mentally ill.
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
Compared to the choices, he looked best to most people, and because of
> Gunner
>
> --
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
the RNC he still does. Who is the Green Party candidate this time?
Whoever it is, they have my vote.
--
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
Know where your money is tonight?
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
Billy
Mar 6, 2012, 1:11:31 AM3/6/12
to
In article <tmmal7p3n0vt890ih...@4ax.com>,
Citation please, or is this just out of your backside as usual?
>
> Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
> freon,eh wot?
>
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
Blah, blah, blah
Got a citation alligator mouth? This guy doesn't need an airbag.
>
> Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
> freon,eh wot?
>
>
> Gunner
>
> --
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
Got a citation alligator mouth? This guy doesn't need an airbag.
Billy
Mar 6, 2012, 1:15:12 AM3/6/12
to
In article
<271acb35-9b17-4be0...@y17g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
Reality is a bitch, isn't she? If I take a deep breath on Mars, I'll be
inhaling greenhouse gasses. Do you have anything else stoopid that you
want to say, Stoopid?
<271acb35-9b17-4be0...@y17g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
inhaling greenhouse gasses. Do you have anything else stoopid that you
want to say, Stoopid?
Gunner Asch
Mar 6, 2012, 3:34:47 AM3/6/12
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<VBG>
So hows that Hope and Change working out for you?
Gunner Asch
Mar 6, 2012, 3:41:48 AM3/6/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:11:31 -0800, Billy
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >Not the brightest bulb in the pack, are you?
>> >
>> >Mars has greenhouse gases. Have a nice vacation ;O)
>>
>> And when the earth was getting warmer..so was Mars.
>>
>> And when the earth is cooling (the past 15 yrs)..so has Mars.
>Citation please, or is this just out of your backside as usual?
>
>>
>> Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
>> f
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >Not the brightest bulb in the pack, are you?
>> >
>> >Mars has greenhouse gases. Have a nice vacation ;O)
>>
>> And when the earth was getting warmer..so was Mars.
>>
>> And when the earth is cooling (the past 15 yrs)..so has Mars.
>Citation please, or is this just out of your backside as usual?
>
>>
>> Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
>> f
http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2011/11/29/global-warming-on-mars-neptune-and-pluto/
http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2005/11/01/mars-warming-nasa-scientists-report
Need more, or would you care to crawl back under your rock while you
have some skin left?
Gunner Asch
Mar 6, 2012, 3:47:58 AM3/6/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:08:17 -0800, Billy
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >Billy
>>
>> Ayup it sure does. Which is why Democrats..the few smart ones, are
>> fleeing the Democratic Party enmass and becoming Independants, or
>> Republicans.
>>
>> Damned shame you are too unintelligent to understand this.
>>
>> Shrug..but then..leftwingers do tend to be retarded and mentally ill.
>I gave a citation that says the opposite. Wat 'chew got Arschloch?
Google "Democrats leaving".....33 million hits
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> >Billy
>>
>> Ayup it sure does. Which is why Democrats..the few smart ones, are
>> fleeing the Democratic Party enmass and becoming Independants, or
>> Republicans.
>>
>> Damned shame you are too unintelligent to understand this.
>>
>> Shrug..but then..leftwingers do tend to be retarded and mentally ill.
>I gave a citation that says the opposite. Wat 'chew got Arschloch?
Better than wat'chew got, Bittywilly
>>
>> Gunner
>>
>> --
>> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
>> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
>> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
>> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
>> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
>> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
>> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
>> fools that made him their prince".
>
>Compared to the choices, he looked best to most people, and because of
>the RNC he still does. Who is the Green Party candidate this time?
>Whoever it is, they have my vote.
>--
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh
laugh!!!
No wonder you are such a mental case..Green Party...laugh laugh laugh
laugh laugh laugh laugh laugh!!!!
>
>Billy
http://honeypot.net/2007/09/11/green-party-insane/
The Green Party is insane
September 11, 2007 at 08:50 AM | categories: politics, green party | 0
Comments
Rational people ignore the Green Party because the Green Party is
verifiably insane. For example, consider their $20 dollar per hour
minimum wage. Don't believe me? Read on.
To quote from the Green Party USA platform:
Universal Social Security: Taxable Basic Income Grants for all,
structured into the progressive income tax, that guarantee an adequate
income sufficient to maintain a modest standard of living. Start at
$500/week ($26,000/year) for a family of four, with $62.50/week
($3,250/year) adjustments for more or fewer household members in 2000
and index to the cost of living.
Jobs for All: A guaranteed right to job. Full employment through
community-based public works and community service jobs programs,
federally financed and community controlled.
Living Wages: A family-supporting minimum wage. Start at $12.50 per
hour in 2000 and index to the cost of living. 30-Hour Work Week: A
6-hour day with no cut in pay for the bottom 80% of the pay scale.
Social Dividends: A "second paycheck" for workers enabling them to
receive 40 hours pay for 30 hours work. Paid by the government out of
progressive taxes so that social productivity gains are shared
equitably.
So, a single highschool dropout demands and receives a job. They get
$(500.00 - 62.50 * 3) weekly from their "Universal Social Security"
check. Then, they get an hourly minimum wage of $(12.50 * 40), even
though they're only working 30 hours. That works out to $42,250.00 per
year. Minimum.
Do they sit around in a drum circle to write this stuff? "Ooh, $12.50 an
hour! Write that down!" "And you shouldn't have to work more than 30
hours a week! Get that in there too." "And, and, they should have to pay
you for 40 hours anyway! Yeah, add that in!"
I tend to disagree with the Democratic Party because I do not agree with
some of its basic tenets, but I understand how other intelligent people
can believe in them. However, I disagree with the Green Party because I
own a calculator.
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shall not be infringed
Mar 6, 2012, 8:37:51 AM3/6/12
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On Mar 6, 1:15 am, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <271acb35-9b17-4be0-a5a5-0597867bb...@y17g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> In article
Billy
Mar 7, 2012, 1:09:43 AM3/7/12
to
In article <4hjbl7lr1dl6vbr9s...@4ax.com>,
Still playing the same "fixed" game, eh? Rep or Dem, you lose again.
Billy
Mar 7, 2012, 1:44:53 AM3/7/12
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In article <g5jbl7h863m0s7t0o...@4ax.com>,
ng.html>
Global Warming Fast Facts
Is It Happening?
Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.
? Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree
Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades,
according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
? The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades
were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several
millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United
Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that
11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.
? The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in
Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the
global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact
Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.
? Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first
completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and
indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.
? Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting--for example, Montana's
Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In
the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and
freezes begin a week later.
? Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water
temperature, suffered the worst bleaching--or die-off in response to
stress--ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70
percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency
and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.
? An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires,
heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to
climate change by some experts.
Are Humans Causing It?
? "Very likely," the IPCC said in a February 2007 report.
>
> http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2011/11/29/global-warming-on-mars-neptune-and
> -pluto/
Story based on story by Jonathan DuHamel (who?), which was base on
reports from John Brignell, who devotes part of his time to his interest
in debunking what he asserts to be the use of poor science and false
statistics common in much of today's media. In this context, he has
expressed controversial opinions on many subjects. Uh-huh.
>
> http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2005/11/01/mars-warming-nasa-scien
> tists-report
Report written by James M. Taylor, a neo-liberal shill that doesn't want
any regulations on fossil fuel.
Why do you bother me with this crap Arschloch? STFU until you know
something.
>
> Need more, or would you care to crawl back under your rock while you
> have some skin left?
How did you get so delusional?
>
> Gunny
Gunny Arschloch <gunnyAr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:11:31 -0800, Billy
> <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >Not the brightest bulb in the pack, are you?
> >> >
> >> >Mars has greenhouse gases. Have a nice vacation ;O)
> >>
> >> And when the earth was getting warmer..so was Mars.
> >>
> >> And when the earth is cooling (the past 15 yrs)..so has Mars.
> >Citation please, or is this just out of your backside as usual?
> >
> >>
> >> Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
> >> f
>
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
<http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warmi
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 22:11:31 -0800, Billy
> <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> >> >Not the brightest bulb in the pack, are you?
> >> >
> >> >Mars has greenhouse gases. Have a nice vacation ;O)
> >>
> >> And when the earth was getting warmer..so was Mars.
> >>
> >> And when the earth is cooling (the past 15 yrs)..so has Mars.
> >Citation please, or is this just out of your backside as usual?
> >
> >>
> >> Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
> >> f
>
> http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html
ng.html>
Global Warming Fast Facts
Is It Happening?
Yes. Earth is already showing many signs of worldwide climate change.
? Average temperatures have climbed 1.4 degrees Fahrenheit (0.8 degree
Celsius) around the world since 1880, much of this in recent decades,
according to NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies.
? The rate of warming is increasing. The 20th century's last two decades
were the hottest in 400 years and possibly the warmest for several
millennia, according to a number of climate studies. And the United
Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports that
11 of the past 12 years are among the dozen warmest since 1850.
? The Arctic is feeling the effects the most. Average temperatures in
Alaska, western Canada, and eastern Russia have risen at twice the
global average, according to the multinational Arctic Climate Impact
Assessment report compiled between 2000 and 2004.
? Arctic ice is rapidly disappearing, and the region may have its first
completely ice-free summer by 2040 or earlier. Polar bears and
indigenous cultures are already suffering from the sea-ice loss.
? Glaciers and mountain snows are rapidly melting--for example, Montana's
Glacier National Park now has only 27 glaciers, versus 150 in 1910. In
the Northern Hemisphere, thaws also come a week earlier in spring and
freezes begin a week later.
? Coral reefs, which are highly sensitive to small changes in water
temperature, suffered the worst bleaching--or die-off in response to
stress--ever recorded in 1998, with some areas seeing bleach rates of 70
percent. Experts expect these sorts of events to increase in frequency
and intensity in the next 50 years as sea temperatures rise.
? An upsurge in the amount of extreme weather events, such as wildfires,
heat waves, and strong tropical storms, is also attributed in part to
climate change by some experts.
Are Humans Causing It?
? "Very likely," the IPCC said in a February 2007 report.
>
> http://tucsoncitizen.com/wryheat/2011/11/29/global-warming-on-mars-neptune-and
> -pluto/
Story based on story by Jonathan DuHamel (who?), which was base on
reports from John Brignell, who devotes part of his time to his interest
in debunking what he asserts to be the use of poor science and false
statistics common in much of today's media. In this context, he has
expressed controversial opinions on many subjects. Uh-huh.
>
> http://news.heartland.org/newspaper-article/2005/11/01/mars-warming-nasa-scien
> tists-report
Report written by James M. Taylor, a neo-liberal shill that doesn't want
any regulations on fossil fuel.
Why do you bother me with this crap Arschloch? STFU until you know
something.
>
> Need more, or would you care to crawl back under your rock while you
> have some skin left?
>
> Gunny
>
> --
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
> --
> "The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry
> capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency.
> It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an
> Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense
> and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have
> such a man for their? president.. Blaming the prince of the
> fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of
> fools that made him their prince".
Billy
Mar 7, 2012, 1:57:33 AM3/7/12
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In article
<8868f618-1520-405e...@t16g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>,
You be sniffing too many of those cans, Arschloch.
> >
> > > > Gunny
Chemical species mole fraction
Carbon dioxide 95.32%
Water vapor 0.03%
Nitric oxide 0.013%
Ozone 30 nmol/mol
Methane 10.5 nmol/mol
Oh, I see. You're saying that concentration matters. Funny, I was about
to mention the same thing. For god's sake, try and act less stupid will
you?
Ah, you're in luck. Here comes Arschloch. Next to him you don't look so
bad.
<8868f618-1520-405e...@t16g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>,
fring <hot-ham-a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 1:15 am, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <271acb35-9b17-4be0-a5a5-0597867bb...@y17g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> > fring <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mar 6, 1:15 am, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> > In article
> > <271acb35-9b17-4be0-a5a5-0597867bb...@y17g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 5, 7:32 pm, Gunny Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:21:33 -0800, Billy
> >
> > > > <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >In article
> > > > ><d49c6153-4db5-4c30-b163-b3da60210...@gi10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Mar 5, 7:32 pm, Gunny Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:21:33 -0800, Billy
> >
> > > > <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >In article
> > > > ><d49c6153-4db5-4c30-b163-b3da60210...@gi10g2000vbb.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > > fring <hot-ham-and-che...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >> On Feb 24, 1:39 pm, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >> > In article <n6kpi790onrvd9emkheg71ufff3um8g...@4ax.com>,
> > > > >> > Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >> > > On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:43:52 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org>
> > > > >> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > >> > > >> By early summer La Nina will likely be over. By spring of
> > > > >> > > >> year
> > > > >> > > >> 2013 we are likely to see record high temperatures being set
> > > > >> > > >> again. Reality-deniers here will continue to insist that all
> > > > >> > > >> of
> > > > >> > > >> the world's experts in the subject are wrong about the cause.
> >
> > > > >> > > >... and the alarmist deniers will stidd refuse to bet me $100
> > > > >> > > >on
> > > > >> > > >the statement.
> >
> > > > >> > > "alarmist deniers"?????
> >
> > > > >> > > Isnt that an oxymoron? LIke...Intelligent Leftwingers and
> > > > >> > > military
> > > > >> > > intelligence and Good Democrat?
> >
> > > > >> > > Gunny
> >
> > > > >> On Feb 24, 1:39 pm, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> > > > >> > In article <n6kpi790onrvd9emkheg71ufff3um8g...@4ax.com>,
> > > > >> > Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > >> > > On Fri, 03 Feb 2012 20:43:52 -0700, AGWFacts <AGWFa...@ipcc.org>
> > > > >> > > wrote:
> >
> > > > >> > > >> By early summer La Nina will likely be over. By spring of
> > > > >> > > >> year
> > > > >> > > >> 2013 we are likely to see record high temperatures being set
> > > > >> > > >> again. Reality-deniers here will continue to insist that all
> > > > >> > > >> of
> > > > >> > > >> the world's experts in the subject are wrong about the cause.
> >
> > > > >> > > >... and the alarmist deniers will stidd refuse to bet me $100
> > > > >> > > >on
> > > > >> > > >the statement.
> >
> > > > >> > > "alarmist deniers"?????
> >
> > > > >> > > Isnt that an oxymoron? LIke...Intelligent Leftwingers and
> > > > >> > > military
> > > > >> > > intelligence and Good Democrat?
> >
> >
> > > > >> > > One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> > > > >> > > in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> > > > >> > > and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> > > > >> > > not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
> > > > >> > > Gunny Arschloch
> > > > >> > > One could not be a successful Leftwinger without realizing that,
> > > > >> > > in contrast to the popular conception supported by newspapers
> > > > >> > > and mothers of Leftwingers, a goodly number of Leftwingers are
> > > > >> > > not only narrow-minded and dull, but also just stupid.
> >
> > > > Gunny
> >
> > > Billy should go live on Mars and take a deep breath.
> >
> > Reality is a bitch, isn't she? If I take a deep breath on Mars, I'll be
> > inhaling greenhouse gasses. Do you have anything else stoopid that you
> > want to say, Stoopid?
>
> Yes. If you take a deep breath on Mars you will die.
Mars Atmosphere's green house gases
> > > Billy should go live on Mars and take a deep breath.
> >
> > Reality is a bitch, isn't she? If I take a deep breath on Mars, I'll be
> > inhaling greenhouse gasses. Do you have anything else stoopid that you
> > want to say, Stoopid?
>
> Yes. If you take a deep breath on Mars you will die.
Chemical species mole fraction
Carbon dioxide 95.32%
Water vapor 0.03%
Nitric oxide 0.013%
Ozone 30 nmol/mol
Methane 10.5 nmol/mol
Oh, I see. You're saying that concentration matters. Funny, I was about
to mention the same thing. For god's sake, try and act less stupid will
you?
Ah, you're in luck. Here comes Arschloch. Next to him you don't look so
bad.
Gunner Asch
Mar 7, 2012, 1:47:19 PM3/7/12
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Im fascinated by you clowns. "It will work this time, as long as WE get
to run it"
Never happens, never works..and you "forerunners" all wind up against
the wall just before the executioner hollars "FIRE"
So I understand that Castro is looking for sugar harvesters. Gonna sign
up? It might be safer for you to be swinging a machete in Cuba, when the
Great Cull arrives.
Gunner Asch
Mar 7, 2012, 1:51:24 PM3/7/12
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On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:57:33 -0800, Billy
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > And when the earth was getting warmer..so was Mars.
>> >
>> > > > And when the earth is cooling (the past 15 yrs)..so has Mars.
>> >
>> > > > Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
>> > > > freon,eh wot?
>You be sniffing too many of those cans, Arschloch.
Seems like you have had your head up your Arschlock for a very long
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>> >
>> > > > And when the earth was getting warmer..so was Mars.
>> >
>> > > > And when the earth is cooling (the past 15 yrs)..so has Mars.
>> >
>> > > > Must be that nifty Gorbal Warming as the result of spray cans and
>> > > > freon,eh wot?
>You be sniffing too many of those cans, Arschloch.
time...snicker
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html
Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if
NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
By David Rose
Last updated at 5:38 AM on 29th January 2012
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The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to
rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the
Thames in the 17th Century.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was
issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of
East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in
world temperatures ended in 1997.
A painting, dated 1684, by Abraham Hondius depicts one of many frost
fairs on the River Thames during the mini ice age
Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday
that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th
Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output,
threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season
available for growing food.
Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots
seen at their peak.
We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’
– which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the
aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are
running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th
Century.
Analysis by experts at NASA and the University of Arizona – derived from
magnetic-field measurements 120,000 miles beneath the sun’s surface –
suggest that Cycle 25, whose peak is due in 2022, will be a great deal
weaker still.
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html#ixzz1oSU1t8D2
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=49179
Whoops! No Global Warming For the Last 15 Years
Science is all about questioning theories.
by John Hayward
01/30/2012
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Comments
Opponents of the global warming cult have often been confronted with a
little presto-chango logical fallacy. When the dearth of evidence that
human activity contributes to any sort of climate change became
painfully inconvenient, the cult began deliberately conflating
“man-made” or “anthropogenic” warming with temperature fluctuations that
might be entirely natural phenomena.
This allowed the fanatics to posture as reasonable people of science,
while dismissing those who advanced reasonable questions as fanatics.
If you agreed that the globe might be warming, you were automatically
signed on to the entirely different belief that human activity was
causing it. Various studies purporting to show increases in temperature
were cited, and magically transformed into “proof” that the
economy-destroying, power-centralizing agenda of the Church of Global
Warming must be adopted immediately. Greenhouse gases are killing the
Earth! The science is settled!
This was always about power and money, not science. Here’s a little
data crunching from one of the great cathedrals of global warming
alarmism, the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit – which
was also the source of the “Climagate” emails that revealed much of the
global warming movement was based on deliberate fraud. As reported by
the UK Daily Mail:
The supposed ‘consensus’ on man-made global warming is facing an
inconvenient challenge after the release of new temperature data showing
the planet has not warmed for the past 15 years.
The figures suggest that we could even be heading for a mini ice age to
rival the 70-year temperature drop that saw frost fairs held on the
Thames in the 17th Century.
Based on readings from more than 30,000 measuring stations, the data was
issued last week without fanfare by the Met Office and the University of
East Anglia Climatic Research Unit. It confirms that the rising trend in
world temperatures ended in 1997.
(Emphases mine.) “Released without fanfare,” eh? That’s funny, because
this has to be one of the most important stories in modern history. The
entire global warming movement just went up in smoke. All of the
shrieking hysteria about greenhouse gases, which still drives
multi-billion dollar command economics programs in the United States has
just been revealed as a pile of anti-scientific garbage.
Meanwhile, leading climate scientists yesterday told The Mail on Sunday
that, after emitting unusually high levels of energy throughout the 20th
Century, the sun is now heading towards a ‘grand minimum’ in its output,
threatening cold summers, bitter winters and a shortening of the season
available for growing food.
Solar output goes through 11-year cycles, with high numbers of sunspots
seen at their peak.
We are now at what should be the peak of what scientists call ‘Cycle 24’
– which is why last week’s solar storm resulted in sightings of the
aurora borealis further south than usual. But sunspot numbers are
running at less than half those seen during cycle peaks in the 20th
Century.
So the primary factor driving “climate change” is not people running
their air conditioners and driving around in cars, but rather… the Sun.
Were your kids told any of this when their public-school teachers were
busy indoctrinating them in Green dogma about man-made global warming?
Was it ever even suggested that maybe human activity had far less to do
with global temperature changes than solar activity?
The modern “climate change” movement began with warnings of global
cooling, and the threat of an impending Ice Age, back in the Seventies.
This was changed for purely political reasons, because it obviously
wasn’t something that could be blamed on human activity. But car
engines are hot, and hot gas comes out of their mufflers, so maybe that
gas is forming into toxic clouds in the upper atmosphere, and turning
the Earth into an oven! Factory smokestacks even look kind of like
ovens, don’t they? We can scare people into giving up their economic
liberty with that!
A Duke University climatologist quoted by the Daily Mail noted “if
temperatures continue to stay flat or start to cool again, the
divergence between the models and recorded data will eventually become
so great that the whole scientific community will question the current
theories.” Questioning theories? Now that sounds like science!
Unfortunately for the cultists, it’s not very helpful for getting
cap-and-trade legislation passed, or selling “carbon credits.”
Other stories hinting at this outcome have popped up over the past few
years, but this one is definitive… and utterly devastating to the
official religion of the U.S. government. Think of all the millions
charlatans like Al Gore have raked in from gullible suckers over the
years. “An inconvenient truth,” indeed. The birth of global warming
was heralded by big-budget Hollywood movies and hysterical political
campaigns. Its final demise occurred without fanfare.
Shall not be infringed
Mar 8, 2012, 6:56:16 PM3/8/12
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On Mar 7, 1:47 pm, Gunner Asch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:09:43 -0800, Billy
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> On Tue, 06 Mar 2012 22:09:43 -0800, Billy
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it's far cheaper to import sugar from non-union socialists. Heh.
Shall not be infringed
Mar 8, 2012, 6:58:18 PM3/8/12
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On Mar 7, 1:57 am, Billy <wildbi...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article
> <8868f618-1520-405e-9e0b-2f2339f9b...@t16g2000yqt.googlegroups.com>,
> In article
long as you can.
AGWFacts
Mar 12, 2012, 6:01:43 PM3/12/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:54:11 -0800, Billy
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
<wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> In article <ophik7t9lrrpvjang...@4ax.com>,
> Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
> > <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
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> > >>
> > >> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
> > >We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
> > >plowing it.
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> > http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html
> Oh goody, Gunny can read, but the operational word was "again". Try
> reading "Collapse" by Jared Diamond, page 211.
<dittohead>
> Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
> > <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > >>
> > >> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
> > >We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
> > >plowing it.
> >
> > http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html
> Oh goody, Gunny can read, but the operational word was "again". Try
> reading "Collapse" by Jared Diamond, page 211.
I agree completely that Diamond's book is a must-read for people
interested in how social structures, such as societies, form and
change due to changing climates. What we are doing to Earth's
climate with out CO2 is unprecidented not in quantity, but in
rate: human-caused climate change has been, and will continue to
be, several orders of magntitude faster than any tim e in the past
200 million years.
> <http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Succeed-Revised/dp/01431
> 17009/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330972952&sr=1-1>
> Yes, Gunny, Iceland wins, Canada wins, Russia wins, relatively speaking.
> Their storms, like everybody's storms, will be bigger and stronger, but
> their agricultural out-put will be larger, even as there are massive
> declines in crop yields in the rest of the world as the human population
> continues to rise. Your dream, Gunny, is a nightmare.
is a good thing.... at least for a few hundred years.
> http://www.alternet.org/story/154082/conservatism_thrives_on_low_intellig
> ence_and_poor_information/
>
> Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
> There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
> childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
> ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
--
up by the antichrist. In order for one creature to EVOLVE into another,
the DNA has to change. How do you explain that?" -- dusty...@aol.com
AGWFacts
Mar 16, 2012, 2:42:03 PM3/16/12
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On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 16:31:02 -0800, Gunner Asch
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:54:11 -0800, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
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<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 05 Mar 2012 10:54:11 -0800, Billy <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In article <ophik7t9lrrpvjang...@4ax.com>,
> > Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
> > > <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
> > > >We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
> > > >plowing it.
> > >
> > > http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html
> >
> > Oh goody, Gunny can read, but the operational word was "again". Try
> > reading "Collapse" by Jared Diamond, page 211.
> > <http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Succeed-Revised/dp/01431
> > 17009/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330972952&sr=1-1>
> > Yes, Gunny, Iceland wins, Canada wins, Russia wins, relatively speaking.
> > Their storms, like everybody's storms, will be bigger and stronger, but
> > their agricultural out-put will be larger, even as there are massive
> > declines in crop yields in the rest of the world as the human population
> > continues to rise. Your dream, Gunny, is a nightmare.
> >
> >
> > http://www.alternet.org/story/154082/conservatism_thrives_on_low_intellig
> > ence_and_poor_information/
> >
> > Gunner Arschloch <gunnera...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Fri, 24 Feb 2012 11:02:36 -0800, Billy
> > > <wild...@withoutta.net.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > >>
> > > >> So we will be farming in Greenland again?
> > > >We never did. Norwegians had dairies there, but destroyed the soil by
> > > >plowing it.
> > >
> > > http://www.spiegel.de/international/spiegel/0,1518,434356,00.html
> >
> > Oh goody, Gunny can read, but the operational word was "again". Try
> > reading "Collapse" by Jared Diamond, page 211.
> > <http://www.amazon.com/Collapse-Societies-Choose-Succeed-Revised/dp/01431
> > 17009/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1330972952&sr=1-1>
> > Yes, Gunny, Iceland wins, Canada wins, Russia wins, relatively speaking.
> > Their storms, like everybody's storms, will be bigger and stronger, but
> > their agricultural out-put will be larger, even as there are massive
> > declines in crop yields in the rest of the world as the human population
> > continues to rise. Your dream, Gunny, is a nightmare.
> >
> >
> > http://www.alternet.org/story/154082/conservatism_thrives_on_low_intellig
> > ence_and_poor_information/
> >
> > Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
I am conservative, and I am both hyper-intelligent and also hyper-
well-informed. It is by no means true that conservatives are all
full of loathing for education, science, and learning: most of us
are not.
NONE of this has anything to do with the newsgroups in the
distribution list.
> > There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
> > childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
> > ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
opinions, with first-born people being more conservative than
latter-born people. *YAWN!*
It is asinine, insulting, stupid, and wrong to claim all
conservatives embrace ignorance and superstition.
> Ayup it sure does. Which is why Democrats..the few smart ones, are
> fleeing the Democratic Party enmass and becoming Independants, or
> Republicans.
RNC in a mass exodus, joining other parties, most of whom joined
the Democrats. Since then the USA Democrats have been the largest
conservative political party, with the Republicans taking up the
fascist radical space to the right. Independants take up the
centrist and liberal end.
Billy
Mar 17, 2012, 2:10:09 AM3/17/12
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In article <5crvl7t97mchh1gnq...@4ax.com>,
Sounds about right ;O)
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> --
> "I said that I believe in GOOD SCIENCE, not scientific THEORIES made
> up by the antichrist. In order for one creature to EVOLVE into another,
> the DNA has to change. How do you explain that?" -- dusty...@aol.com
>
> --
> "I said that I believe in GOOD SCIENCE, not scientific THEORIES made
> up by the antichrist. In order for one creature to EVOLVE into another,
> the DNA has to change. How do you explain that?" -- dusty...@aol.com
--
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
Know where your money is tonight?
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
Billy
Mar 17, 2012, 2:14:50 AM3/17/12
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In article <4brsl7p8eucjjb6a7...@4ax.com>,
Maybe yes, maybe no, but it seems prudent to try and protect ourselves.
If we are wrong, we may lose some financial profit. If we are right,
billions may die through inaction.
>
> > http://www.alternet.org/story/154082/conservatism_thrives_on_low_intellig
> > ence_and_poor_information/
> >
> > Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
> > There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
> > childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
> > ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
>
>
> --
> "I said that I believe in GOOD SCIENCE, not scientific THEORIES made
> up by the antichrist. In order for one creature to EVOLVE into another,
> the DNA has to change. How do you explain that?" -- dusty...@aol.com
If we are wrong, we may lose some financial profit. If we are right,
billions may die through inaction.
>
> > http://www.alternet.org/story/154082/conservatism_thrives_on_low_intellig
> > ence_and_poor_information/
> >
> > Conservatism Thrives on Low Intelligence and Poor Information
> > There is plenty of research showing that low general intelligence in
> > childhood predicts greater prejudice towards people of different
> > ethnicity or sexuality in adulthood.
>
>
> --
> "I said that I believe in GOOD SCIENCE, not scientific THEORIES made
> up by the antichrist. In order for one creature to EVOLVE into another,
> the DNA has to change. How do you explain that?" -- dusty...@aol.com
--
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
Billy
E Pluribus Unum
Know where your money is tonight?
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
It's making the lives of Wall Street Bankers more comfortable.
Gunner Asch
Mar 17, 2012, 11:58:58 AM3/17/12
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On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:42:03 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@1800reaklity.com>
wrote:
>You are confused. In the late 1980s conservatives abandoned the
>RNC in a mass exodus, joining other parties, most of whom joined
>the Democrats. Since then the USA Democrats have been the largest
>conservative political party, with the Republicans taking up the
>fascist radical space to the right. Independants take up the
>centrist and liberal end.
>
Fascinating to watch someone having a mental break down in such a
radical factor. It wont be long before his head implodes. I hope
someone gets a video of it.
wrote:
>You are confused. In the late 1980s conservatives abandoned the
>RNC in a mass exodus, joining other parties, most of whom joined
>the Democrats. Since then the USA Democrats have been the largest
>conservative political party, with the Republicans taking up the
>fascist radical space to the right. Independants take up the
>centrist and liberal end.
>
radical factor. It wont be long before his head implodes. I hope
someone gets a video of it.
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Billy
Mar 17, 2012, 3:03:22 PM3/17/12
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In article <uuf9m7tls7dg4jnn4...@4ax.com>,
Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:58:58 -0700, Gunny Arschloch <gunnyra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> >On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:42:03 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@1800reaklity.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>You are confused. In the late 1980s conservatives abandoned the
> >>RNC in a mass exodus, joining other parties, most of whom joined
> >>the Democrats. Since then the USA Democrats have been the largest
> >>conservative political party, with the Republicans taking up the
> >>fascist radical space to the right. Independants take up the
> >>centrist and liberal end.
> >>
> >
> >Fascinating to watch someone having a mental break down in such a
> >radical factor. It wont be long before his head implodes. I hope
> >someone gets a video of it.
> >
> >Gunny
>
> It's not too fascinating. We have watched you implode several times
> over the past few years.
Bwahahahahahaha
Deucalion <som...@nowhere.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:58:58 -0700, Gunny Arschloch <gunnyra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:42:03 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@1800reaklity.com>
> >wrote:
> >
> >>You are confused. In the late 1980s conservatives abandoned the
> >>RNC in a mass exodus, joining other parties, most of whom joined
> >>the Democrats. Since then the USA Democrats have been the largest
> >>conservative political party, with the Republicans taking up the
> >>fascist radical space to the right. Independants take up the
> >>centrist and liberal end.
> >>
> >
> >Fascinating to watch someone having a mental break down in such a
> >radical factor. It wont be long before his head implodes. I hope
> >someone gets a video of it.
> >
>
> It's not too fascinating. We have watched you implode several times
> over the past few years.
Bwahahahahahaha
AGWFacts
Mar 29, 2012, 2:14:32 PM3/29/12
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On Sat, 17 Mar 2012 08:58:58 -0700, Gunner Asch
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:42:03 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@1800reaklity.com> wrote:
>
<gunne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Mar 2012 12:42:03 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@1800reaklity.com> wrote:
>
> > You are confused. In the late 1980s conservatives abandoned the
> > RNC in a mass exodus, joining other parties, most of whom joined
> > the Democrats. Since then the USA Democrats have been the largest
> > conservative political party, with the Republicans taking up the
> > fascist radical space to the right. Independants take up the
> > centrist and liberal end.
> Fascinating to watch someone having a mental break down in such a
> radical factor. It wont be long before his head implodes. I hope
> someone gets a video of it.
Are you threatening suicide?
> > RNC in a mass exodus, joining other parties, most of whom joined
> > the Democrats. Since then the USA Democrats have been the largest
> > conservative political party, with the Republicans taking up the
> > fascist radical space to the right. Independants take up the
> > centrist and liberal end.
> Fascinating to watch someone having a mental break down in such a
> radical factor. It wont be long before his head implodes. I hope
> someone gets a video of it.
--
"How is it that you are unable to see that animals fucking and thus
causing biological production is a delusion, not a scientific concept
or fact?" -- Ray Martinez
Gunner Asch
Mar 31, 2012, 5:11:16 AM3/31/12
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On Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:14:32 -0600, AGWFacts <AGWF...@1800reaklity.com>
wrote:
>
>> Fascinating to watch someone having a mental break down in such a
>> radical factor. It wont be long before his head implodes. I hope
>> someone gets a video of it.
>
>Are you threatening suicide?
No. Why would you think that?
Having hallucinations again?
wrote:
>
>> Fascinating to watch someone having a mental break down in such a
>> radical factor. It wont be long before his head implodes. I hope
>> someone gets a video of it.
>
>Are you threatening suicide?
Having hallucinations again?
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