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From: Runar Bjarnason <runaror...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:41:59 -0400
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Subject: Re: [scalaz] Pointed sucks
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I agree that Pointed is not really meaningful without Apply.

But, out of curiosity, why is this important?



On Mon, Jul 23, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Tony Morris <tonymor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am often asked what a good way to get started with Scalaz would be. It
> turns out, there is no good way and that the idea of a "good way to get
> started" doesn't really make sense in the context of the Scalaz library,
> so some people are disappointed when I do not give a clear answer.
>
> Although there is still not a good answer, I can at least articulate a
> task that can possibly help.
>
> The Pointed type-class is a mistake. It should not exist on its own. It
> belongs on Applicative. The point operation should look like this:
>
> trait Applicative[F[_]] extends Apply[F] {
>   def point[A](a: => A): F[A]
> }
>
> I spent about 30 minutes initiating this change, without the intention
> of completing it, but I just wanted to see what would be involved. I
> learned that a lot of thinking and learning would be involved.
> Nevertheless, I think fixing this bug is quite important. So if anyone
> is up to it, there would be free cookies involved.
>
> --
> Tony Morris
> http://tmorris.net/
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