1) What are you currently working
on?
Getting more work. For me, my
freelance experience has been just going from
project to project. That probably sounds dull
and tradesman-like, but I always try to work
with artists whose music I at least like, and
then I try to make it sound as famous as
possible. I have been lucky with the people
I've gotten to work with... and I have been
able to do a variety of styles... more than I am
probably associated with.
Since the first
of the year, I've done a live folk rock &
roll album for Scott Miller & the
Commonwealth (Reconstruction/Sugar Hill
Records) and a 3 month immersion with Mando
Saenz, a songwriter signed to Frank Lidell's
independent publishing company, Carnival
Music. For a Big Time Operator, Frank has a
genuine interest in writers that aren't so
obvious in a Nashville that expects some
pretty dreary, square and dopey songs. But
he, Frank, has had considerable success with
great, understated and timeless writers (like
Bruce Robison). He also has the Music
Row-oriented writers as well. We had a great
budget for an indie in these days...plenty of
time, the exact studios, players and
fetish-gear we wanted (within reason). Lots
of freedom. It was a great situation.
I am
pretty much left alone these days to work
with the artist to get whatever they can get
me to agree it is that they want to do. Sometimes
that independence comes from the authorities
trusting you; sometimes from there being no
authorities, but more often than not these
days, in my experience it has been label
ennui. I've done about 7 records for Sugar
Hill and never even had a conversation with
anybody there... except one time when they
wanted me to take some electronica off of an
Allison Moorer track on a Dolly tribute. I
just serpentined and prevaricated until it
was too late to do anything about it. I'm
willing to stand (or fall) with my
artists... once we agree what it is we are
trying to do. Sometimes I'll try to save 'em
from themselves. You always want to do what's
best for the dream. On the aforementioned
projects, one live and the other camping out
in the studio, I tried to go for the same
sonic qualities. Whatever the budget, I
always try to go for what I think will give
us the best sound and enough time. Sometimes
you find yourself in a basement, but boys,
it'll be a hell of a basement.
2) What inspired you to become a musician
and how did you segue into
production?
For me, the Beatles. I grew up in
Hattiesburg, Mississippi. When I was 13 and
home for Christmas from military school, I
started learning to play my new Super Classic
Ludwig drums to "Rubber Soul" and "Whipped Cream
and Other Delights" by Herb Alpert & the
Tijuana Brass. I'm not saying RS is the
greatest album of all time, or necessarily
even the best Beatles album, but it hooked me
on wanting to have something to do with
recording. Then came "Revolver." All the Who
singles, The brown 'the Band' album, "Sticky
Fingers" by the Stones... "Good Old Boys" by
Randy Newman...the sum of the writing,
playing and sounds, the different places they
either went, or stayed, it all just got to
me.
I played drums from junior high
through
college. I was always interested in guitar
and eventually taught myself. When I wrote a
song, even early on, I always wanted to write
whatever the signature guitar-lick was. For
the kind of informal music that I for the
most part like, you can't have a great record
without a great guitar lick (Satchmo, Louis
Jordan & Mose excepted).
My first
band right
out of military school (1966) was the
Phlowurz (the sound that makes scents). We
were a teen center rave up band that
worshipped the Kinks, Yardbirds and Who. Not
enough good harmony singers to do Beatles
terrifically. The mid to late 60's (and I
know everybody, except for the truly
objective enthusiast, prefers their own
zeitgeist) has to have been the
greatest of all times for the average teen
rock & roll musician. It was before yowling
Viking Rock, Kill Your Parents Rock, and
Brooding Egg Head Rock. The best bands I ever
played in, besides the Phlowurz, were the
Howlers (Best New Band - Austin Sun/1976) and
Webb Wilder & the Beatnecks. The former
became Omar & the Howlers and continues to
record. I did get to co-write with Omar when
he was on Columbia.
Webb has done
quite a few
albums for majors and indies. I produced all
of them to date and wrote the majority of the
original songs. I got started producing with
Webb. I quit playing drums right around the
time of our first release, "It Came From
Nashville." Then I never really played them
again, much less in the studio, until 18
years later on Allison Moorer's "The Duel."
When we did "It Came..." we put it out ourselves
on vinyl only. It was my first 'production'.
I think I just out-argued everybody. The
first record I ever produced for a major
(Island) was Webb's 2nd album... "Hybrid Vigor."
Then I did John Mayall & the Bluesbreaker's
"Sense of Place" for Island. I had never been
to Hollywood. I am from Mississippi and I was
30 before I even got to Nashville. I had
gotten a publishing deal.
Anyway...
While we were
doing Mayall, I learned, or at least started
learning, about different gear and the color
wheel of sound that different mics and
consoles can give you. I have been an API
loyalist since those early days, but also
love good ol' vintage Neves and Helios
consoles. I had an epiphany about what gear
could help you do and how it was possible,
with enough experience and working with
really great engineers, to not absolutely
ruin what it is you are recording and producing.
3) There's wide variation between
producers and their area of expertise
(ie, some are players, engineers, singers,
songwriters, etc). How
would you characterize your production style
and what do you tend to
focus on?
I remember some interview
somewhere and they asked Nick Lowe about his
'production style'. He said something like "I
mostly tell jokes and wave my hands in the
air". He is one of my producer heroes and I
didn't take him literally, but what I think
he meant was he tries to establish a mood and
working environment so that crafted magic as
well as outrageous mistakes and experiments
are all given an equal chance to survive.
Like Nick, or at least so I think, I was a
musician and a songwriter first, but I
learned how to build records. With every
disappointment or frustrating sonic result I
would start paying more attention to what the
engineer had to do or was doing. What
'choice' of mic and signal path got what
result.
I am pretty hands on with my
engineers although that statement might
surprise some of the ones I have worked with
most recently. The people I primarily work
with now pretty much get what I am after with
just a little bit of tech talk fused with the
hubris-drenched romanticism of what I might
be after on that particular album... or I
guess that particular track would be more
accurate. I am at the stage now where I at
least have enough historical data on which
converters sound like what. I get all
involved with gear choices at the front end
and just stay on the case, pretty much
through mastering. I still prefer the sound
of 2" tape and use it when possible. Often I
will do the analog hybrid with RADAR or, due
to the ubiquitous nature of its penetration
or proliferation... Pro Tools. But HD is the
only Digidesign product that I can enjoy the
sound of. PTHD with Apogee converters is my
preference. I think Samplitude sounds the
closest to analog and it is the only platform
that I have mixed on 'in the box' that
sounded great, to me at least. I think RME
converters sound great and they are
affordable for the DIY'er. To date, I haven't
done much 'in the box'. I usually always mix
through a console, usually an API. I hate the
sound of SSLs. That doesn't mean they aren't
great and all that, they would just hollow
things out for me the few times I used one.
But the whole gear thing just becomes
peripheral if the song sucks, the band can't
play or the singer can't sing...or at least
communicate believably.
4) On Allison Moorer's record "The
Duel," how did Butch Primm (who wrote the
majority of the songs) approach you to
produce the record, and how did you first
hear those songs? Did he play them for you on
acoustic guitar - or did he and Allison give
you demos etc?
By that time I had
already worked with Butch and Allison on two
previous records - Miss Fortune, which was
fairly epic with a lot of variety style-wise,
and Show - a live DVD and record. Allison
asked me to do it. They were a team. They
wanted to do something the opposite of Miss
Fortune - less production and overdubs, fewer
musicians, less expensive. Allison played
guitar for the first time on record. We'd sit
on Allison and Butch's porch and they would
take turns playing me the songs and we would
work on arrangements - loosely, and talk
about how to approach the record. They told
me what kind of drums they wanted and I
decided I'd just do it myself. Hadn't played
in 18 years. Tried to play like my
heroes...Ringo, Levon and Kenny Buttrey. But
good luck on trying to cop that last titan.
Any of 'em really. But it was fun and it was
cool to get to play.
5) Butch's songs
are intense and personal, especially the
title track, and
the record sounds so rich and alive. What
were your first thoughts about
those songs and how best to capture that on
tape?
I knew what artists and
records they were into together. I was pretty
into those things as well. We had two young
guys - John Davis, formerly the leader of
Superdrag playing guitar, bass and some piano
and steel. Adam Landry was Allison's guitar
player at the time. Besides the 3 of us,
Allison played some and we brought in a
sprinkling of Outsiders. We recorded it at
House of David in Nashville - an affordable
API room. The recordist and mixer was Richard
McLaurin, a great top knob with ears like
Dumbo. It was 2" from beginning to end,
although we mixed dig through Apogees. We
used Dolby SR...which will probably never be
surpassed for sound as far as recording music
with dynamics - or quiet sections. If it is
not technically as 'quiet' as digital, it is
quiet enough that a night watchman couldn't
hear the difference. You don't need it for
loud stuff, you don't get the same kind of
tape saturation. The Duel probably sounds
alive because we were making it up (the
arrangements) as we went along, it was all
analog - tape, Class A console, enough UA
audio outboard to have no excuses, old Gibson
acoustics, old Ludwigs w/towels over 'em at
times, it was rootsy music with a screw it
manifesto. But every record I do sounds
different - I hope anyway.
6) You're a self-described studio-gear
fanatic. What are some of your
favorite tools of the trade and why?
I touched on some of that in one of the last
questions. Sorry if I get off topic. I think,
artistic content aside, starting with the
musical instruments...what types of acoustic
guitars do you have available? Which
electrics? Have they been set up to tune?
What brand drums? What year? All snares sound
different and the one that sounded
magnificent in the drum store might come off
all anemic in the room you are cutting in.
Real piano vs. digital plank. Can you hear
what you are doing in the control room? I
know you can 'fix it in the mix' and replace
and enhance drums and blah blah blah. You can
do anything and there are no rules. But I
wont just automatically tune a vocal if it
rings true to me without it. If tuning might
help the artist make a house (or castle)
payment down the road, or if tuning will make
the lead or the backing vocals buzz better,
than I'll do it. I think most contemporary
music sounds too rubberized... whatever that
means. Film sound can be pretty bad ass these
days though.
Back to gear, I am coming to
grips with the new DIYer era. I use to have
an API sidecar and an Otari MX-80 2" in road
cases and some other cool outboard, like
original Trident A Range modules, an
assortment of the vintage Neve pres and
compressors, etc. Now I have nothing ha ha. I
do have my own Samplitude rig, some
Beatle-quality Sennheiser head phones, an RME
Fireface, and the full blown UA plug in card
or whatever the hell it is. If you are
somewhere you can hear well, just this rig
alone sounds great if the stuff was recorded
well. I still prefer going to a studio, even
if it is in somebody's house. I enjoy the
community of experts a budget lets you bring
together. I like hearing everybody playing at
once. I would really like a lunch box, or a
buffet table, of the new Helios re-issue
modules, a pair of the powered ATC speakers,
and a Phoenix stereo compressor. I like Crane
Song products for humanizing digital, but
Samplitude comes with great plug ins and
analog modeling utilities. You don't have to
immediately buy more plug ins like you do
with Nuendo or my first Pro Tools.
For
mastering, I always work with Jim DeMain at
Yes Master. You can shoot-out a versatile
analog chain against a versatile digital
chain. Or some combination thereof. I am
pretty sure we listen through Benchmark D/As.
I am not sure what clocks what. For options,
he has Crane Song, Weiss digital limiters and
EQs, "L- whatevers" and so on. I guess at
this stage of the game, I prefer a hybridized
boutique shop of digital and analog for all
stages of building a record.
7) I've noticed the nick name "Ionizer"
associated with you (I'm assuming
a reference to magnetizing tape)... is tape
an absolute for you or do
you occasionally indulge in the convenience
of digital?
Actually, the Ionizer was my nickname back
when I was playing with Webb Wilder and just
starting to produce him. An Ionizer was one
of those Sharper Image catalog gadgets that
people were starting to put in their offices
and in control rooms. I think they were
supposed to suppress tension or generate some
kind of calming reverse miasma by changing
positive ions to negative ones...or vice
versa. Something like the sublime emotional
vibe you get right after a rainstorm or what
have you. Anyway, I was pretty argumentative
and opinionated back then, so I guess
somebody picked up on the 'positivity coming
out of negativity' equation as it related to
my assertiveness. I am not like that anymore.
Now I delight in symbiosis. Since the early
Webb days, I don't think any of the
subsequent artists I have produced (Sonny
Landreth, Allison Moorer, Todd Snyder,
Shaver, Scott Miller, Los Straightjackets,
John Mayall, etc.) have called me that. They
usually call me RS, Bobby, or "oh yes My
Sultan".
As to tape vs. digital, I
think that
digital has arrived sonically and it is only
getting better. If you have the experience to
cherry pick your components, just like in
digital photography, you can access the path
to high quality with excellent results as far
as tone, warmth, and depth are concerned. The
versatility and dynamics of digital are
undeniable. 'Excellent' is affordable now for
the DIYer if they know what to get. Digital
has too many affordable bells & whistles
though, and not enough God-given limitations
as you have with analog. If I had my
druthers, I'd just go analog all the way if
the budget and the music permitted.
Definitely prefer tracking basics and vocals
to tape though.
8) What are your thoughts on the general
state of the music industry?
(ie, studio closures, major-label malaise,
DAWs, MP3s, etc.) Have
things really changed in terms of how you work?
I haven't done that much major label work
lately, so I've already crossed that burning
bridge with my flip flops smokin'. I think
for artists who have managed to establish and
keep an audience of any size at all, the
'crumbling business model' can be a good
thing. With digital downloads, royalty
chasing software, fulfillment companies like
Amplifier in Austin, 'viral' marketing,
e-commerce, Pay Pal, web sites and phenomena
like You Tube and Myspace (if you're
young)... all that would have to be pretty
exciting for somebody starting out, or
somebody with some rabid fans looking for new
product, tour dates and merch. Everybody
should own their own virtual gift shop. I
can't say that I have mastered or even
explored all of this new media much. But I am
genuinely interested in it. It did take me
three weeks to figure out my Myspace page.
The digital revolution, the
computer and
affordable internet access have made it
possible to have, not just a studio in a box,
but an empire in a box as well. But I guess
in the brick & mortar world, or any studio,
label, record shop or organization with big
expenses, I think what revenue stream
reliability there was has shrunken to such a
degree that record companies of every size
are understandably worried. It is making it
harder for a corporation to make a living
much less a killing. But outside of things
like Myspace, TV commercials and so on,
record labels still have the muscle to get an
artist and their product out in front of
people. It is all about getting through the
clutter.
I gave up on commercial radio
hitting my monkey nerve around 1973. For my
taste, I think it has sucked pretty much
since Rod Stewart moved to America, around
1974. The Faces might be the last rock & roll
band that I loved. There's NO roll in rock
anymore. The new media and resulting
opportunities have created an exciting
environment with more freedom for
experimentation and innovation. But labels
are much more cautious and reluctant to waste
their money marketing things that don't serve
their research. There is a ying for every
yang though. Pop music may just become a way
to sell t-shirts, even more than it has been
to date. But now the labels want a piece of
the T-shirt sales and such. I hate the whole
American Idolization of pop culture. It's not
the supposed democratization of it all that
bothers me, it is the lack of f@!*&^%g
originality. The Rock & Roll Trio played the
Ted Mack Amateur Hour and Buddy Holly played
the Apollo... not to mention innumerable
African American musical titans of
yesteryear. Now they have all these squares
and chowder heads not only judging them, but
they have stylists making 'em look like
everybody else and puds picking there it
might as well be beauty pageant songs. I
hate it all. Television, except for TCM and
CSPAN, has become rat wind. Yuck.
9) What are you listening to lately?
A CD of Elmer Bernstein scores. I love the To
Kill a Mockingbird soundtrack. The Rushmore
soundtrack. Waylon's "Honky Tonk" heroes. A cd
of early Kink's singles. About the only new
recording I have listened to for pleasure is
Beck's "Sea Change". I just think it's great.
Best of Slim Harpo... Best of Lee
Dorsey... stuff like that. I listen to wind
chimes a lot. That's my Phillip Glass. I
would like to get into sound design. That
would be fun for me at this stage of my
career. I have heard an awful lot of G
chords. I am writing my own stuff again as
well, so I listen to that. Everybody, deep
down in their secret heart, wants to hear
their own music anyway. I really do enjoy
helping people get their thing on though.