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Father Seraphim - Thank you!=A0=A0I am so happy and excited that we are goi=
ng to start this project!=A0=A0I believe it will be very beneficial for=A0b=
oth:=A0Nicholas and myself. =A0 #3-6 - my complete support :)
=A0
Natalia

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From: Seraphim Holland <serap...@orthodox.net>
Subject: [sn] Thursday children's liturgy
To: saint-nicholas-orthodox-church@googlegroups.com
Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:47 AM


Dear Brothers and sisters:=20

This Thursday will be the 1st of, God willing, many Thursday liturgies for =
and with the children. It will be at 9AM, and Jelena will be the assigned r=
eader. I urge all of you with children to make these liturgies a huge prior=
ity in your lives. I have high hopes for them, and for our young ones, whom=
 we will be "training in the way they should go" by our example and teachin=
gs.=20

I wish to discuss these liturgies with you, and perhaps we can toss around =
some ideas.=20

1. Schedule for this Thursday.=20
+ 9 AM liturgy (short and snappy)=20
+about 10 AM - breakfast
+during breakfast, spiritual discussion with everyone. I think I will talk =
about the sign of the cross. I anticipate this being short, and interactive=
. I am better with older children (so I think) so I will take cues from you=
 the parents. I hope all of us can contribute to this discussion.=20
+after breakfast I want to read a part of a wonderful book about St Seraphi=
m (or paraphrase, or talk about) with the children.=20
I anticipate wrapping up by 11.=20

2. Topics=20
These depend on the ages of the children (we may have 2 or more distinct gr=
oups), my organizational skills and your input. I anticipate them being som=
ewhat tied to the church year. I want to have some physical stuff - how to =
make a prostration, what to do when entering the church, singing, etc. I wi=
ll need a lot of help with the younger children, since I think I run the ri=
sk of getting too "deep" for them.=20

3. Plays.=20
I think short plays that we make up would be very good. We could even do it=
 this Thursday. This is my namesday, and we could make a play about St Sera=
phim and the bear "Misha" (now just who might be the bear? :) ). We could p=
resent these little short plays at church on Sunday. The kids will get the =
attention they crave (like all of us, really), and get it doing something h=
oly. This is great for their development.=20

4. My namesday.=20
I think it is good for the children to identify closely with the priest as =
"their priest", and know him well. Making a cake and "surprising" me would =
be fun for them. In general, I think we should make a bigger deal about nam=
esdays, with a cake or something simple. We could do this on every Thursday=
 that has a namesday near. I think it would be awesome to sing the tropario=
n, and maybe something else. The more children are involved, the better.=20

5. Participation of the children.=20
I think even the little ones can participate. We need to organize this a li=
ttle. We could have the older ones sing the troparia, and direct the younge=
r ones to sing "Lord have mercy". The older ones could read the Epistle. Mu=
sical literacy is a great gift to have. We have talented musicians among us=
, who also happen to be moms and good with kids. we can do something Thursd=
ay, or just talk about it.=20

6. Homeschool.=20
Many of you homeschool. I want the church to be an important resource for t=
his, and hope that our Thursdays will grow into an organized cooperative wh=
ere we have religious and other teaching. I think choir is very important, =
and bible study. We have many talents, and could pool them. The kids would =
have a peer group to identify with, who do not think that celebrating Nativ=
ity in January or fasting is weird. Marina has taught Anatomy and Physiolog=
y. I can teach math. We could have Russian language instruction. I do not k=
now where this will go, but I very much want it to go somewhere.=20

7. Expectations.=20
I have no personal expectations for anyone, except the fervent hope that th=
ose who can will attend the liturgies. The amount of involvement is up to y=
ou and your personal inclinations, time and resources. I am thinking out lo=
ud here, and do not want anyone to be scared off because they think they ca=
nnot make a commitment they think I am asking them to make. We will see whe=
re this goes.=20

8. Homeschool resources.=20
For those who homeschool, I would like to see our resources, knowledge and =
experiences pooled in some way. Maybe we should have a mailing list, web pa=
ge of links, resources, curriculum, etc. I am not saying this needs to be a=
 huge big deal. Anybody have any ideas?=20

9. All Thursday liturgies are for the parish.=20
I commemorate all the parish members in the Great Ectenia at all Thursday l=
iturgies. This is very important. I have stated many times that it is the s=
ingle most important change in our parish life in the last year. The "child=
ren's liturgies" will not be "children only" liturgies!=20

Any comments? Is anybody excited?=A0=20
--=20
Priest Seraphim Holland 972 529-2754 CELL:972 658-5433
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<table cellspacing=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" border=3D"0" ><tr><td valign=3D"=
top" style=3D"font: inherit;"><DIV>Father Seraphim - Thank you!&nbsp;&nbsp;=
I am so happy and excited that we are going to start this project!&nbsp;&nb=
sp;I <SPAN>believe</SPAN> it will be very beneficial for&nbsp;both:&nbsp;Ni=
cholas and myself. &nbsp; #3-6 - my complete support :)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Natalia<BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 1/12/09, Seraphim Holland <I>&lt;seraphi=
m...@orthodox.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(=
16,16,255) 2px solid">From: <SPAN>Seraphim</SPAN> Holland &lt;seraphim@orth=
odox.net&gt;<BR>Subject: [sn] Thursday children's liturgy<BR>To: saint-nich=
olas-orthodox-church@googlegroups.com<BR>Date: Monday, January 12, 2009, 8:=
47 AM<BR><BR>
<DIV id=3Dyiv1170779587>Dear Brothers and sisters: <BR><BR>This Thursday wi=
ll be the 1st of, God willing, many Thursday liturgies for and with the chi=
ldren. It will be at 9AM, and Jelena will be the assigned reader. I urge al=
l of you with children to make these liturgies a huge priority in your live=
s. I have high hopes for them, and for our young ones, whom we will be "tra=
ining in the way they should go" by our example and teachings. <BR><BR>I wi=
sh to discuss these liturgies with you, and perhaps we can toss around some=
 ideas. <BR><BR>1. Schedule for this Thursday. <BR>+ 9 AM liturgy (short an=
d snappy) <BR>+about 10 AM - breakfast<BR>+during breakfast, spiritual disc=
ussion with everyone. I think I will talk about the sign of the cross. I an=
ticipate this being short, and interactive. I am better with older children=
 (so I think) so I will take cues from you the parents. I hope all of us ca=
n contribute to this discussion. <BR>+after breakfast I want to read a
 part of a wonderful book about St Seraphim (or paraphrase, or talk about) =
with the children. <BR>I anticipate wrapping up by 11. <BR><BR>2. Topics <B=
R>These depend on the ages of the children (we may have 2 or more distinct =
groups), my organizational skills and your input. I anticipate them being s=
omewhat tied to the church year. I want to have some physical stuff - how t=
o make a prostration, what to do when entering the church, singing, etc. I =
will need a lot of help with the younger children, since I think I run the =
risk of getting too "deep" for them. <BR><BR>3. Plays. <BR>I think short pl=
ays that we make up would be very good. We could even do it this Thursday. =
This is my namesday, and we could make a play about St Seraphim and the bea=
r "Misha" (now just who might be the bear? :) ). We could present these lit=
tle short plays at church on Sunday. The kids will get the attention they c=
rave (like all of us, really), and get it doing something holy. This
 is great for their development. <BR><BR>4. My namesday. <BR>I think it is =
good for the children to identify closely with the priest as "their priest"=
, and know him well. Making a cake and "surprising" me would be fun for the=
m. In general, I think we should make a bigger deal about namesdays, with a=
 cake or something simple. We could do this on every Thursday that has a na=
mesday near. I think it would be awesome to sing the troparion, and maybe s=
omething else. The more children are involved, the better. <BR><BR>5. Parti=
cipation of the children. <BR>I think even the little ones can participate.=
 We need to organize this a little. We could have the older ones sing the t=
roparia, and direct the younger ones to sing "Lord have mercy". The older o=
nes could read the Epistle. Musical literacy is a great gift to have. We ha=
ve talented musicians among us, who also happen to be moms and good with ki=
ds. we can do something Thursday, or just talk about it. <BR><BR>6.
 Homeschool. <BR>Many of you homeschool. I want the church to be an importa=
nt resource for this, and hope that our Thursdays will grow into an organiz=
ed cooperative where we have religious and other teaching. I think choir is=
 very important, and bible study. We have many talents, and could pool them=
. The kids would have a peer group to identify with, who do not think that =
celebrating Nativity in January or fasting is weird. Marina has taught Anat=
omy and Physiology. I can teach math. We could have Russian language instru=
ction. I do not know where this will go, but I very much want it to go some=
where. <BR><BR>7. Expectations. <BR>I have no personal expectations for any=
one, except the fervent hope that those who can will attend the liturgies. =
The amount of involvement is up to you and your personal inclinations, time=
 and resources. I am thinking out loud here, and do not want anyone to be s=
cared off because they think they cannot make a commitment they
 think I am asking them to make. We will see where this goes. <BR><BR>8. Ho=
meschool resources. <BR>For those who homeschool, I would like to see our r=
esources, knowledge and experiences pooled in some way. Maybe we should hav=
e a mailing list, web page of links, resources, curriculum, etc. I am not s=
aying this needs to be a huge big deal. Anybody have any ideas? <BR><BR cle=
ar=3Dall>9. All Thursday liturgies are for the parish. <BR>I commemorate al=
l the parish members in the Great Ectenia at all Thursday liturgies. This i=
s very important. I have stated many times that it is the single most impor=
tant change in our parish life in the last year. The "children's liturgies"=
 will not be "children only" liturgies! <BR><BR>Any comments? Is anybody ex=
cited?&nbsp; <BR>-- <BR>Priest Seraphim Holland 972 529-2754 CELL:972 658-5=
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