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Subject: Re: sage on windows
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On Dec 23, 7:19=A0pm, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Danny Ross Lunsford <
>
> antimatte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Greetings Prof. Stein,
>
> > OK I don't even need to look to know that Sage on Cygwin is never going=
 to
> > work
>
> I'm not sure what you mean by "never going to work", given that I've used
> sage on Cygwin before several times and it did work. =A0It was also fully
> supported for Sage until 2007 when Martin Albrecht introduced libsingular=
,
> which he didn't get to work on cygwin (which is when we dropped support).
> =A0 That said, I'm no big fan of Cygwin. =A0 But saying that it will neve=
r work
> is just incorrect.
>
> > (I hate Cygwin, that hermaphroditic monster!) - but tell me now, is Sag=
e
> > on MinGW an impossibility as well?
>
> Sage has never worked with MinGW. =A0Not even in the early days. =A0From =
the
> point of view of building and using Sage, MinGW is just a subset of Cygwi=
n;
> it's like Cygwin with far, far less functionality. =A0 Even building Pyth=
on
> (which is trivial to build on any UNIX or Cygwin) is essentially impossib=
le
> on MinGW, and Python is one of the easier components of Sage to build.
>
> > Are the problems intrinsic or Python-related? Thanks in advance!
>
> By far the best way to use Sage under Windows is to run Linux in some way
> under Windows, and install Sage into that Linux instance. =A0There are ma=
ny
> options for doing this, including:
>
> =A0 =A0. Microsoft's own Virtual machine stuff,
> =A0 =A0. VirtualBox + any linux distro
> =A0 =A0. Vmware + any linux distro
> =A0 =A0. Premade virtual machines with Sage installed already:http://sage=
math.org/download-windows.html
> =A0 =A0. co-Linux (*not* a Virtual machine!):http://sourceforge.net/proje=
cts/colinux/files/
>
> Moreover, with a virtual machine you can easily get full 64-bit support,
> with likely better performance than any native port of Sage to windows
> would ever give (because Linux is often faster than Windows at the sort o=
f
> things that Sage uses).
>
> For Windows users with little technical sophistication, usinghttp://sagen=
b.orgis probably their best bet.
>
> =A0-- William
>
> > -drl
>
> > ----------------------------------------------
> > "I write a little. I erase a lot." - Chopin
>
> --
> William Stein
> Professor of Mathematics
> University of Washingtonhttp://wstein.org

What do you think - is it an option to offer such > users with little
technical sophistication < a tool like the combined
Virtual Box / Sage installer?
Download: http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/Win-Inst/Sage-Win-Inst=
aller.exe
with some screenshots http://boxen.math.washington.edu/home/emil/doc/html/e=
n/Windows_Installer.html

I must say I am a bit puzzled - I thought that would be really a smart
way to present sage to the windows folks but I am mistaken,
interest seems to converge to zero ...