I've been trying to find any discussion about the font changes in sage-4.3.1, but I haven't seen any. I am not talking about jsmath fonts, just what is used for text in various places in the notebook.
The following screenshots illustrate most of what I am interested in:
(These are from different notebooks but the differences are still clear, for example the controls on the top.)
I strongly dislike whatever the new font is that is being used. If there was some discussion about the change, I would appreciate a pointer to it. Since I can't easily find one, I am wondering if this was an accidental by-product of some other change.
> I strongly dislike whatever the new font is that is being used. If > there was some discussion about the change, I would appreciate a > pointer to it. Since I can't easily find one, I am wondering if this > was an accidental by-product of some other change.
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 at 11:05PM -0800, Pat LeSmithe wrote: > On 01/31/2010 08:02 PM, Marshall Hampton wrote: > > I strongly dislike whatever the new font is that is being used. If > > there was some discussion about the change, I would appreciate a > > pointer to it. Since I can't easily find one, I am wondering if this > > was an accidental by-product of some other change.
I'm glad someone brought this up. I'm no fan of the font used for "New Worksheet / Upload" and "Active Worksheets" in Marshall's 4.3.1 screenshot. The same things look fine in Firefox on Ubuntu. In Firefox and Chrome on Windows, they look a bit pixely and poorly scaled; in IE8 they look okay.
Wasn't there a site that would take a URL and give you back images of how the URL rendered in different browser / OS combinations?
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dan Drake <dr...@kaist.edu> wrote: > On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 at 11:05PM -0800, Pat LeSmithe wrote: > > On 01/31/2010 08:02 PM, Marshall Hampton wrote: > > > I strongly dislike whatever the new font is that is being used. If > > > there was some discussion about the change, I would appreciate a > > > pointer to it. Since I can't easily find one, I am wondering if this > > > was an accidental by-product of some other change.
> I'm glad someone brought this up. I'm no fan of the font used for "New > Worksheet / Upload" and "Active Worksheets" in Marshall's 4.3.1 > screenshot. The same things look fine in Firefox on Ubuntu. In Firefox > and Chrome on Windows, they look a bit pixely and poorly scaled; in IE8 > they look okay.
> Wasn't there a site that would take a URL and give you back images of > how the URL rendered in different browser / OS combinations?
Woops. Yep, it's from one of my patches (#7786, I believe). I copy-pasted the font stacks from my old project, and I forgot to update them to SageNB's old stack. Sorry!
OK, great, thanks. I had trouble applying #8141 to sage-4.3.1, so maybe I am missing something in between, but by editing .sage/ notebook.css I can alleviate the problem.
So it appears that the fonts will be reverted in sage-4.3.2 if I understand things correctly. Thanks for your responses!
-Marshall
On Feb 1, 4:11 am, Tim Joseph Dumol <t...@timdumol.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Dan Drake <dr...@kaist.edu> wrote: > > On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 at 11:05PM -0800, Pat LeSmithe wrote: > > > On 01/31/2010 08:02 PM, Marshall Hampton wrote: > > > > I strongly dislike whatever the new font is that is being used. If > > > > there was some discussion about the change, I would appreciate a > > > > pointer to it. Since I can't easily find one, I am wondering if this > > > > was an accidental by-product of some other change.
> > I'm glad someone brought this up. I'm no fan of the font used for "New > > Worksheet / Upload" and "Active Worksheets" in Marshall's 4.3.1 > > screenshot. The same things look fine in Firefox on Ubuntu. In Firefox > > and Chrome on Windows, they look a bit pixely and poorly scaled; in IE8 > > they look okay.
> > Wasn't there a site that would take a URL and give you back images of > > how the URL rendered in different browser / OS combinations?
> Woops. Yep, it's from one of my patches (#7786, I believe). I copy-pasted > the font stacks from my old project, and I forgot to update them to SageNB's > old stack. Sorry!
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 14:00, Marshall Hampton <hampto...@gmail.com> wrote: > So it appears that the fonts will be reverted in sage-4.3.2 if I > understand things correctly.
But please a sans-serif (I simply prefer "sans-serif" ;) ) font, not a serif one as it was in <= 4.3!
2010/2/1 Harald Schilly <harald.schi...@gmail.com>:
> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 14:00, Marshall Hampton <hampto...@gmail.com> wrote: >> So it appears that the fonts will be reverted in sage-4.3.2 if I >> understand things correctly.
> But please a sans-serif (I simply prefer "sans-serif" ;) ) font, not a > serif one as it was in <= 4.3!
I think we should revert back to exactly what we had in 4.3. Then make new ticket(s) for any changes. E.g., I personally like the serif font by default for tinymce headers, etc., and have been annoyed they vanished.
> 2010/2/1 Harald Schilly<harald.schi...@gmail.com>:
>> On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 14:00, Marshall Hampton<hampto...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> So it appears that the fonts will be reverted in sage-4.3.2 if I >>> understand things correctly.
>> But please a sans-serif (I simply prefer "sans-serif" ;) ) font, not a >> serif one as it was in<= 4.3!
> I think we should revert back to exactly what we had in 4.3. Then > make new ticket(s) for any changes. E.g., I personally like the > serif font by default for tinymce headers, etc., and have been annoyed > they vanished.
I strongly prefer the serif fonts too. Serif fonts are supposed to be easier to read anyways (the serifs give subtle clues that make it much easier to read the characters at a glance), especially at smaller font sizes. At least, that's what I've read when I've studied up a bit on typography, and also matches my personal preference and experience.
I think any large style change like the style of fonts ought to be either brought up for a vote, or just made an option (with the status quo being the default).
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 06:51, Jason Grout <jason-s...@creativetrax.com> wrote: > I strongly prefer the serif fonts too. Serif fonts are supposed to be > easier to read anyways ...
Depends, typography says that serifs only help if you have a longer text with several lines to read it more fluently. The reason is that the serifs form two horizontal lines if you blur it. That helps the brain to know where the line of text is and avoids unintentional jumping between the lines. The menu at the top and code entries are totally different. There you need visual clues (like "|") and the ability to quickly read short strings. The visual recognition needs longer to adapt to the words if they are with serifs, especially when the font size is smaller. Thats also the reason why all websites prefer them (look at any of the top 10) and modern typographic prints and magazines always use sans-serif for headers and short texts in boxes.
> OK, great, thanks. I had trouble applying #8141 to sage-4.3.1, so > maybe I am missing something in between, but by editing .sage/ > notebook.css I can alleviate the problem.
To test #8141, I suggest getting the latest SageNB spkg at #8051
> > OK, great, thanks. I had trouble applying #8141 to sage-4.3.1, so > > maybe I am missing something in between, but by editing .sage/ > > notebook.css I can alleviate the problem.
> To test #8141, I suggest getting the latest SageNB spkg at #8051
