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Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: 3d display: x3d?
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Em Seg, 2009-03-09 às 11:11 -0700, Robert Bradshaw escreveu:
> On Mar 9, 2009, at 10:52 AM, Ondrej Certik wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Robert Bradshaw
> > <rober...@math.washington.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mar 8, 2009, at 11:14 AM, Prabhu Ramachandran wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 03/08/09 19:19, William Stein wrote:
> >>>>> 3D interactivity.  Here are a few simple examples from Ondrej's  
> >>>>> site
> >>>>> that I made from some mlab examples:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>  http://nb.hpfem.org/home/pub/16
> >>>>
> >>>> Awesome!!
> >>>
> >>> Thanks, yes, the sage notebook is awesome!
> >>>
> >>>>> Another option would be to produce output suitable for use with
> >>>>> jmol.
> >>>>> Would this require a pmesh exporter?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I'd appreciate any ideas on this.  Thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Robert Bradshaw will likely have something useful to say tomorrow
> >>>> (=Monday) too.
> >>>
> >>> Cool, will wait for his response.
> >>
> >> Way back when I started working on the 3d stuff, this is what I
> >> imagined people would do. Unfortunately, x3d viewers aren't common
> >> (meaning not commonly installed, they are easy to get) and using an
> >> applet to install and/or view them was unwieldily (both in terms of
> >> the download size, and there were weird rendering issues). Jmol was
> >> the first solution that worked well, out of the box, just about
> >> anywhere.
> >
> > I think I am the minority here, but in fact jmol doesn't work out of
> > the box for me at all, unless I install some proprietary java on my
> > debian/ubuntu.
> 
> It isn't just "some" proprietary Java, it's the original and official  
> Java from Sun. But yes, it's not completely free and open yet...

Actually in my Ubuntu even the official proprietary Java doesn't work
with Jmol... The applet loads fine, including menus, but the model
doesn't appear, just the black background.
> 
> > If I install the opensource java, it just doesn't work
> > -- I discussed this on the jmol list and even reported a bug against
> > the java package in Debian, but I just don't have time to push this
> > forward and get it fixed.
> 
> Yes, this is clearly a bug in Debian's java--hopefully they fix it  
> someday. (I don't have the time to work on it either.) Fixing either  
> jmol and/or the open source Java to actually work together would be a  
> great GSoC project.
> 
> > x3d on the other hand does work out of the box, after I installed  
> > one package.
> 
> OK, I could lower the bar to "works out of the box over 50% of the  
> time on at least 50% of the systems" and still jmol is the only thing  
> we tried that actually passes this criteria. If the average user goes  
> to sagenb.org, the 3d plots are likely to work.

Even in sagenb.org it doesn't work for me :(
> 
> That being said, I'd really like for x3d to be fully supported, and  
> it would be nice to have a notebook option to choose between tachyon/ 
> jmol/x3d as being the default way to show 3d data.
> 
> - Robert
Ronan