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Paul-Olivier Dehaye  
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 More options Oct 16 2012, 2:17 am
From: Paul-Olivier Dehaye <paul-olivier.deh...@math.uzh.ch>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:17:33 +0200
Local: Tues, Oct 16 2012 2:17 am
Subject: Policy on spkgs updates
Is it always encouraged to upgrade spkgs to more current stable
upstream version?
Right now scipy is at 0.9, applied with patches to fix a bug that is
now corrected in version 0.11 (normally, I have not tested yet). The
patch does not seem to work under Mac OS X 10.8, so I was wondering if
instead of fixing the patch I should really upgrade the spkg to the
later version for everyone.
Paul

 
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Michael Welsh  
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 More options Oct 16 2012, 2:19 am
From: Michael Welsh <yom...@yomcat.geek.nz>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:19:01 +1300
Local: Tues, Oct 16 2012 2:19 am
Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Policy on spkgs updates
On 16/10/2012, at 7:17 PM, Paul-Olivier Dehaye <paul-olivier.deh...@math.uzh.ch> wrote:

> Is it always encouraged to upgrade spkgs to more current stable
> upstream version?
> Right now scipy is at 0.9, applied with patches to fix a bug that is
> now corrected in version 0.11 (normally, I have not tested yet). The
> patch does not seem to work under Mac OS X 10.8, so I was wondering if
> instead of fixing the patch I should really upgrade the spkg to the
> later version for everyone.
> Paul

You mean like in #13541?

 
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Jeroen Demeyer  
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 More options Oct 16 2012, 2:49 am
From: Jeroen Demeyer <jdeme...@cage.ugent.be>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 08:49:48 +0200
Local: Tues, Oct 16 2012 2:49 am
Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Policy on spkgs updates
On 2012-10-16 08:17, Paul-Olivier Dehaye wrote:
> Is it always encouraged to upgrade spkgs to more current stable
> upstream version?

No.  I'd say it's neither encouraged nor discouraged.

Usually patching a package is easier than updating to the latest
upstream version.  Sometimes upstream upgrades break stuff.  But if it's
easy to upgrade, then sure, why not do it?


 
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Paul-Olivier Dehaye  
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 More options Oct 16 2012, 5:58 am
From: Paul-Olivier Dehaye <pauloliv...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 02:58:50 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Oct 16 2012 5:58 am
Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Policy on spkgs updates

Yes, like #13541


 
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Volker Braun  
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 More options Oct 16 2012, 6:43 am
From: Volker Braun <vbraun.n...@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 03:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Oct 16 2012 6:43 am
Subject: Re: Policy on spkgs updates

Given the choice between update (drop a patch that is fixed upstream) and
fork (maintain a separate patch), I think we should always opt for the
former. Otherwise we'll just get bogged down in an ever-increasing
maintenance headache. Don't reinvent the wheel.

So I'd say we should always upgrade to new upstream stable releases.
Sometimes that uncovers bugs, which we then can report upstream.


 
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Julien Puydt  
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 More options Oct 16 2012, 7:22 am
From: Julien Puydt <julien.pu...@laposte.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:22:34 +0200
Local: Tues, Oct 16 2012 7:22 am
Subject: Re: [sage-devel] Re: Policy on spkgs updates
Le 16/10/2012 12:43, Volker Braun a crit :

> Given the choice between update (drop a patch that is fixed upstream)
> and fork (maintain a separate patch), I think we should always opt for
> the former. Otherwise we'll just get bogged down in an ever-increasing
> maintenance headache. Don't reinvent the wheel.

> So I'd say we should always upgrade to new upstream stable releases.
> Sometimes that uncovers bugs, which we then can report upstream.

It depends.

For example, in "debian stable", the adjective refers to the fact that
the bugs are stable, precisely because things aren't updated to latest
upstreams. The downside is that it is always using several years old
software, even when it gets out! And that makes sense...

On the other end, when you're looking for say an elliptic curve
algorithm or trying to make some things explicit in some very
specialized domain, then you are generally interested in the latest and
greatest.

Isn't sage geared toward research-level mathematics anymore?

Snark on #sagemath


 
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