http://sagemath.org/ack.html
William Stein
If you've contributed to Sage, please take a look at
http://sagemath.org/ack.html
If (a) you aren't listed, or (b) you don't like how you're listed, or
(c) just want
the listing changed somehow, please send me an email at wst...@gmail.com
so I can update the page. I haven't changed anything on that page for quite
a while, but there have been many new contributors to Sage, so I bet it is
out of date, and I don't want anybody's valuable contributions to go
unrecognized. Thanks!!
-- William
--
William Stein
Associate Professor of Mathematics
University of Washington
http://wstein.org
Ondrej Certik
>
> Hi,
>
> If you've contributed to Sage, please take a look at
> http://sagemath.org/ack.html
>
> If (a) you aren't listed, or (b) you don't like how you're listed, or
> (c) just want
> the listing changed somehow, please send me an email at wst...@gmail.com
> so I can update the page. I haven't changed anything on that page for quite
> a while, but there have been many new contributors to Sage, so I bet it is
> out of date, and I don't want anybody's valuable contributions to go
> unrecognized. Thanks!!
I was just going to ask about exactly the same thing. How do you
measure a contributor?
In sympy we list everyone who contributed at least a patch in the README
http://hg.sympy.org/sympy/file/3d032940e734/README
currently 18 people. But obviously, people can and do contribute by
other means too, like writing docs,
reporting bugs (very important contribution!), blogging, etc.
Also another problem is, for example let's say you would like to write
a paper about Sage. So who should
go among the authors of the paper? So we determine a set A of people
who will be on that paper, but then all the other people who
contribute later will not get any citation for their work, unless some
new paper will be published. Etc.
Another way of giving the credit is listing names of people in
docstrings and files. (I don't like this, but we discussed this before
already).
I like the http://sagemath.org/ack.html, also there could be links to
the Sage wiki page about each contributor? I mean -
there could be a wiki page where anyone can add himself, currently it's here:
in the section PEOPLE. Actually I think the ack.html can be a wiki
too, but maybe only the project leader could edit it. So ack.html will
say a little about each contributor, and then when clicking on his
name, his wiki page will popup, where anyone can read in more details,
what he works on in Sage, what he is interested in, etc.
We discussed this quite thouroghly in sympy too:
http://code.google.com/p/sympy/issues/detail?id=513
I think what works well is when the project leader uses his judgement
and handles this as best as he can, i.e. listing all people who
contributed a patch and listing all other people, who contributed
significantly by other means. But nevertheless, maybe it's good to
have some written set of rules, how to handle these things.
I don't have a firm opinion on these issues, so I am interested in your ideas.
Ondrej
William Stein
>
> On Jan 13, 2008 8:14 AM, William Stein <wst...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If you've contributed to Sage, please take a look at
> > http://sagemath.org/ack.html
> >
> > If (a) you aren't listed, or (b) you don't like how you're listed, or
> > (c) just want
> > the listing changed somehow, please send me an email at wst...@gmail.com
> > so I can update the page. I haven't changed anything on that page for quite
> > a while, but there have been many new contributors to Sage, so I bet it is
> > out of date, and I don't want anybody's valuable contributions to go
> > unrecognized. Thanks!!
>
>
> I was just going to ask about exactly the same thing. How do you
> measure a contributor?
If *they* feel their contribution is significant enough that they
take the time to respond to this email, then they are almost certainly
a contributor (though I will of course decide based on what I get).
> In sympy we list everyone who contributed at least a patch in the README
>
> http://hg.sympy.org/sympy/file/3d032940e734/README
>
> currently 18 people. But obviously, people can and do contribute by
> other means too, like writing docs,
> reporting bugs (very important contribution!), blogging, etc.
Indeed. If anybody has contributed significantly to Sage this way,
I hope they will email me and be asked to be added to ack.html.
> Also another problem is, for example let's say you would like to write
> a paper about Sage. So who should
> go among the authors of the paper? So we determine a set A of people
> who will be on that paper, but then all the other people who
> contribute later will not get any citation for their work, unless some
> new paper will be published. Etc.
I'm not sure what you're asking, but if it is the general question of who
gets to be a co-author on a paper, I've dealt with that questions many
many times since most of my papers are co-authored:
It is something that must always be dealt with on a case-by-case basis,
and the answer often depends very much on the people involved.
> Another way of giving the credit is listing names of people in
> docstrings and files. (I don't like this, but we discussed this before
> already).
True. I like this and we do this. But that's credit of a different form
than ack.html.
> I like the http://sagemath.org/ack.html, also there could be links to
> the Sage wiki page about each contributor? I mean -
> there could be a wiki page where anyone can add himself, currently it's here:
>
> http://wiki.sagemath.org/
>
> in the section PEOPLE. Actually I think the ack.html can be a wiki
> too, but maybe only the project leader could edit it.
A wiki page that only I can edit is not really much different than
a static html page. We actually discussed exactly this point before
for a while, and people like keeping ack.html as a static html page
(not on the wiki).
> So ack.html will
> say a little about each contributor, and then when clicking on his
> name, his wiki page will popup, where anyone can read in more details,
> what he works on in Sage, what he is interested in, etc.
I could still make entries on ack.html have links to a wiki page or
something else.
> We discussed this quite thouroghly in sympy too:
>
> http://code.google.com/p/sympy/issues/detail?id=513
>
> I think what works well is when the project leader uses his judgement
> and handles this as best as he can, i.e. listing all people who
> contributed a patch and listing all other people, who contributed
> significantly by other means. But nevertheless, maybe it's good to
> have some written set of rules, how to handle these things.
I agree that using judgement works best. But sometimes I forgot to
update the page, and then having some people email me helps.
> I don't have a firm opinion on these issues, so I am interested in your ideas.
>
> Ondrej
>
> >
>
Ondrej Certik
Thanks for the reply. I see, the best way is to use judgement. Right,
I agree with the way you do it.
We'll try to do the same in sympy.
Ondrej