Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 05:23:11 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Zabrocki <mike.zabro...@gmail.com> To: sage-combinat-devel@googlegroups.com Cc: Mike Zabrocki <mike.zabro...@gmail.com>, sage-devel@googlegroups.com, bobo2...@lirmm.fr, =?UTF-8?Q?Jean_Thi=C3=A9ry_=28Papa=29?= <Jean.Thi...@ModLibre.info>, "Nicolas M. Thiery" <Nicolas.Thi...@u-psud.fr> Message-Id: <aa982af9-2b20-46a3-b641-1160c0050cf7@googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <20121112095222.GK2375@mistral> References: <20121111090020.GM2375@mistral> <df3ee734-db07-471f-90a4-ec6dbc248518@googlegroups.com> <20121112095222.GK2375@mistral> Subject: Re: Sage Days in Bobo-Dioulasso debriefing; Sage in developping countries MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_193_27754322.1352812991973" ------=_Part_193_27754322.1352812991973 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_194_26742394.1352812991973" ------=_Part_194_26742394.1352812991973 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >I could hope for 4-5 that will use Sage in the long run, and 20 that=20 > definitely see the point but will get stuck by lack of infrastructure=20 > and expertise.=20 These sound like great numbers. >> I think to break the barrier and make a true sage days really=20 >> productive, I think that you would need to partner with some=20 >> organization like OLPC (one laptop per child) or arrange to=20 >> minimize the problems with your hardware.=20 > Well, I have a good contact for that: dad :-) We actually already used=20 > Sage on our home OLPC, although only through a remote Sage server. I=20 I just mentioned OLPC because that was an organization I had heard of. I didn't know your dad was associated, but what an awesome contact to=20 have. I don't yet see how to overcome infrastructure problems. I would summarize my experience as: 1. don't use the internet (you can't count on it anyway) 2. most computers have some old version of Windows 3. a few students will have their own laptops 4. Most students will have little or no computer experience 5. Most want to learn computers and see the point, a few choose to be=20 luddites and can afford to because the infrastructure is so unreliable =20 > Of course, the real thing would be to integrate a resource-optimized=20 > version of Sage within the Sugar activities. This probably won't be a=20 > priority for OLPC, since their main target population is children of=20 > age 6-12, but as you say we could explore other organizations as well.=20 At the events I have been involved with, our highest priority was to minimize the infrastructure difficulties. AIMS in South Africa sounds like it might be a good place to organize an event since you could potentially rely on computer access. -Mike On Monday, 12 November 2012 04:52:27 UTC-5, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 08:07:06PM -0800, Mike Zabrocki wrote:=20 > > Wow! Nicolas fantastic report. That was a challenge to do.=20 > > Thanks :-)=20 > > > I hope you managed a convert or two in Africa. My experience with=20 > > computer classes as part of a summer school (in Ghana, Kenya,=20 > > Tanzania and Madagascar) is similar except I never had a wifi=20 > > network and most of my students didn't have regular computer access.=20 > > Most of my students were complete novices to the computer, but=20 > > willing to learn. Installing sage was several steps beyond what we=20 > > tried. I would say that most of the infrastructure that we had=20 > > access to would not support sage (most computers were dated=20 > > pre-python, though I did not have the expertise to make this work).=20 > > I could hope for 4-5 that will use Sage in the long run, and 20 that=20 > definitely see the point but will get stuck by lack of infrastructure=20 > and expertise.=20 > > But as you said: =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDif our problem was only network, we we= re in pretty=20 > good shape to start with=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD. We had a selection of student= s that were=20 > definitely computer-literate (somehow, the main difficulty was to=20 > prevent them from running to facebook&all and eat up all the bandwidth=20 > whenever the network was working :-) ), even though most did not have=20 > programming experience.=20 > > > I think to break the barrier and make a true sage days really=20 > > productive, I think that you would need to partner with some=20 > > organization like OLPC (one laptop per child) or arrange to=20 > > minimize the problems with your hardware.=20 > > Well, I have a good contact for that: dad :-) We actually already used=20 > Sage on our home OLPC, although only through a remote Sage server. I=20 > doubt the old models can support running Sage locally, but for the=20 > upcoming models we certainly will have a shot (at least running in a=20 > terminal).=20 > > Of course, the real thing would be to integrate a resource-optimized=20 > version of Sage within the Sugar activities. This probably won't be a=20 > priority for OLPC, since their main target population is children of=20 > age 6-12, but as you say we could explore other organizations as well.=20 > > Cheers,=20 > Nicolas=20 > --=20 > Nicolas M. Thi=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDry "Isil" <nth...@users.sf.net <javascrip= t:>>=20 > http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/=20 > ------=_Part_194_26742394.1352812991973 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div>>I could hope for 4-5 that will use Sage in the long run, and 20 th= at </div><div>> definitely see the point but will get stuck by lack= of infrastructure </div><div>> and expertise. </div><div>Thes= e sound like great numbers.</div><div><br></div><div>>> = I think to break the barrier and make a true sage days really </div><d= iv>>> productive, I think that you would need to partner= with some </div><div>>> organization like OLPC (on= e laptop per child) or arrange to </div><div>>> min= imize the problems with your hardware. </div><div><br></div><div>> = Well, I have a good contact for that: dad :-) We actually already used = ;</div><div>> Sage on our home OLPC, although only through a remote Sage= server. I </div><div><br></div><div>I just mentioned OLPC because tha= t was an organization I had heard of.</div><div>I didn't know your dad was = associated, but what an awesome contact to </div><div>have.</div><div>= <br></div><div>I don't yet see how to overcome infrastructure problems.</di= v><div>I would summarize my experience as:</div><div>1. don't use the inter= net (you can't count on it anyway)</div><div>2. most computers have some ol= d version of Windows</div><div>3. a few students will have their own laptop= s</div><div>4. Most students will have little or no computer experience</di= v><div>5. Most want to learn computers and see the point, a few choose to b= e </div><div>luddites and can afford to because the infrastructure is = so unreliable</div><div> </div><div>> Of course, the real thing wou= ld be to integrate a resource-optimized </div><div>> version of Sag= e within the Sugar activities. This probably won't be a </div><div>>= ; priority for OLPC, since their main target population is children of = ;</div><div>> age 6-12, but as you say we could explore other organizati= ons as well. </div><div><br></div><div>At the events I have been invol= ved with, our highest priority was to</div><div>minimize the infrastructure= difficulties. AIMS in South Africa sounds</div><div>like it might be= a good place to organize an event since you could</div><div>potentially re= ly on computer access.</div><div><br></div><div>-Mike</div><br>On Monday, 1= 2 November 2012 04:52:27 UTC-5, Nicolas M. Thiery wrote:<blockquote class= =3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #cc= c solid;padding-left: 1ex;">On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 08:07:06PM -0800, Mike = Zabrocki wrote: <br>> Wow! Nicolas fantastic report. That was a chall= enge to do. <br> <br>Thanks :-) <br> <br>> I hope you managed a convert or two in Africa. My experience with <br>> computer classes as part of a summer school (in Ghana, Kenya, <br>> Tanzania and Madagascar) is similar except I never had a wifi <br>> network and most of my students didn't have regular computer acces= s. <br>> Most of my students were complete novices to the computer, but <br>> willing to learn. Installing sage was several steps beyond w= hat we <br>> tried. I would say that most of the infrastructure that we h= ad <br>> access to would not support sage (most computers were dated <br>> pre-python, though I did not have the expertise to make this work)= . <br> <br>I could hope for 4-5 that will use Sage in the long run, and 20 that <br>definitely see the point but will get stuck by lack of infrastructure <br>and expertise. <br> <br>But as you said: =C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDif our problem was only network, we = were in pretty <br>good shape to start with=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BD. We had a selection of stude= nts that were <br>definitely computer-literate (somehow, the main difficulty was to <br>prevent them from running to facebook&all and eat up all the bandwi= dth <br>whenever the network was working :-) ), even though most did not have <br>programming experience. <br> <br>> I think to break the barrier and make a true sage day= s really <br>> productive, I think that you would need to partner wi= th some <br>> organization like OLPC (one laptop per child) or arra= nge to <br>> minimize the problems with your hardware. <br> <br>Well, I have a good contact for that: dad :-) We actually already used <br>Sage on our home OLPC, although only through a remote Sage server. I <br>doubt the old models can support running Sage locally, but for the <br>upcoming models we certainly will have a shot (at least running in a <br>terminal). <br> <br>Of course, the real thing would be to integrate a resource-optimized <br>version of Sage within the Sugar activities. This probably won't be a <br>priority for OLPC, since their main target population is children of <br>age 6-12, but as you say we could explore other organizations as well. <br> <br>Cheers, <br>  = ; &n= bsp; <wbr> Nicolas <br>-- <br>Nicolas M. Thi=C3=AF=C2=BF=C2=BDry "Isil" <<a href=3D"javascript:" t= arget=3D"_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto=3D"7xG4V7AoCNMJ">nth...@users.sf.net= </a>> <br><a href=3D"http://Nicolas.Thiery.name/" target=3D"_blank">http://Nicola= s.Thiery.name/</a> <br></blockquote> ------=_Part_194_26742394.1352812991973-- ------=_Part_193_27754322.1352812991973--
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