Who owns ruby-forum.com and why is it connected
to the mailing list?

Is this policy open for discussion?

Hal

I think it being connected to the mailing list has a lot of benefits and
as far as I know there has been no spam caused by it yet.

It would be cool if it had support for receiving attachments, though.

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http://flgr.0x42.net/

Florian Gross schrieb:

I guess it is Andreas Schwarz, as the footer suggested!?

g,
--
Daniel Völkerts
Protected by Anti Pesto. -- Wallace & Gromit

On 6/6/06, Florian Gross <flor...@gmail.com> wrote:

No, not spam. If, however, you look at the quality of postings that
originate there, there's a lot of trollish and generally impolite
behaviour.

It'd be even cooler if it had more than a single line in the main list
of "forums" that the "Ruby Forum" is a gateway to the ruby-talk
mailing list. Or if the posting forum didn't allow you to post to
ruby-talk's gateway as a guest. Or if it even said "hey, moron! you're
not just posting to a web forum here! you're posting to a mailing
list!"

I really like the effort that Andreas has put into Ruby-Forum and it's
good software, but I think that there are impedance mismatch issues
with its use as a mailing list gateway. I don't know how much it
affects people who use "real" threading mail and newsreaders, but it
also mangles subject lines and messes up Google's grouping in gmail.

There's a definite etiquette problem, and unless something is changed,
I *do* think that the benefits are outweighed by the negatives.

-austin
--
Austin Ziegler * halosta...@gmail.com
               * Alternate: aus...@halostatue.ca

Just that would be an improvement, IMO.

In evolution, subject lines are okay but when I hit reply to a
ruby-forum message its headers are set up to go to the newsgroup rather
than the list. That's pretty annoying now they're separate (and
ruby-forum posts don't seem to hit the newsgroup anyway).

--
Ross Bamford - ro...@roscopeco.REMOVE.co.uk

That might be helpful.

I would hate to see the forum disconnected from the list.  In
combination with  firefox tabs and mouse gestures, its one of the
fastest ways to skim the list.

-- Jim Weirich

--
Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

It's nice to skim the list, but I find it's easy to misquote when you
have all the posts in front of you, it gives you the impression that
you're on a forum where it really doesn't matter. A "ruby-talk" label
in Gmail is just as easy, I've found.

On 6/6/06, Jim Weirich <j...@weirichhouse.org> wrote:

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- Simen

On Jun 6, 2006, at 13:27, Jim Weirich wrote:

It might be helpful, but I'm not really sure that it's the medium of  
posting that's the problem.  There wasn't any similar problem when  
the usenet gateway worked.

That said, I'm also of the view that the quality and tone of the  
questions from ruby-forum often leave something to be desired.

I have a hunch this is because google groups and mailing lists tend  
to be used by people who already know what they're looking for, and  
already know where the docs live.  I'd bet that a number of the  
people posting from the forum are probably not aware of all the  
resources available to them.

I think that it might be a better improvement to add links to  
standard Ruby documentation (ruby-lang.org, online Pickaxe, ruby-
doc.org, Poignant Guide, et alia) on the forum pages - currently they  
only link to other forums.  I'm pretty firm in my belief that this  
would benefit everyone involved.  And I mean, really, what good is a  
'ruby forum' that lacks even a link to the ruby homepage?

If such links actually improve things, then everyone benefits.  If it  
doesn't, well, we can always ask to move it read-only later on.

matthew smillie.

...

I read an article on someone's site that critiqued Ruby form the view of
a PHP developer, and I got the strong sense that this person thought
Ruby and Rails were one and the same, and that Ruby Forum was the only
public forum.

People come to Ruby by a variety of vectors, but not all of them
encourage the Big Picture.  So we end up with various subcultures and
communities, with assorted friction.

Agreed.  It might give people a fuller sense of the Ruby community and
available resources.

--
James Britt

"I often work by avoidance."
- Brian Eno

That's the best idea I've heard in a long time!

Charlie Bowman
http://www.recentrambles.com

I get the idea that Andreas Schwarz, the man behind ruby-forum, is
responsive but doesn't always keep up with all the postings. Probably it
would be a good idea to email any suggestions you have directly to him.
His email address is at the bottom of the web page.

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Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

On Jun 6, 2006, at 19:50, Tim Hunter wrote:

I've sent him a pointer and summary.

matthew smillie.

Does anyone read all 4000 posts per month?

Cheers,
Dave

On 6/6/06, Dave Burt <d...@burt.id.au> wrote:

I try. ;) GMail makes it easier.

-austin
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Austin Ziegler * halosta...@gmail.com
               * Alternate: aus...@halostatue.ca

I also try.  :) I'd venture to say that nearly
every byte of it flashes before my eyes at
some point.

Of course, most of it I just skim.

Hal

On Jun 6, 2006, at 4:52 PM, Dave Burt wrote:

I'm writing tools to read my mailing list traffic for me and tell me  
what's interesting.  I get between 500 and 1000 mailing list mails  
per day.

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Eric Hodel - drbr...@segment7.net - http://blog.segment7.net
This implementation is HODEL-HASH-9600 compliant

http://trackmap.robotcoop.com

From: Eric Hodel [mailto:drbr...@segment7.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 3:34 AM

Sound exciting. What is the principle, on which your tool selects
"interesting" postings? By keywords?

V.

On Jun 6, 2006, at 5:55 PM, Victor Shepelev wrote:

I've written parts one and two:

http://seattlerb.rubyforge.org/IMAPCleanse/

I'm planning on using per-mailbox Bayesian analysis for phase three.  
What's interesting to me on this mailing list is not the same as  
what's interesting on FreeBSD-current.

--
Eric Hodel - drbr...@segment7.net - http://blog.segment7.net
This implementation is HODEL-HASH-9600 compliant

http://trackmap.robotcoop.com

My crontab and I attest.  I love how the whole suite works together.  You set up
imap_cleanse and imap_flag just does its thing.  Yummy slash legendary.

_why

This reminds me of the "electric monk" of Douglas Adams. Just as
dishwashers wash dishes so we don't have to, and VCRs watch TV
for us, the electric monk believes things on our behalf...

Now if you can only write software that will not only find the
interesting emails and read them, but post relevant replies...  ;)

Hal

Bayesian filtering on a topic by topic basis!! Awesome!!!

Integrate that into the mailreader in a transparent way and even Gmail
will look clunky!!

(Sorry, I'll stop salivating now...)

--
Giles Bowkett
http://www.gilesgoatboy.org

Nice work.. I did something to deal with my own Maildir overflowage,
though it's simpler and infinitely more hacky.  But, it's been working
well for me for quite awhile now.

--Steve

[swaits@gateway] [4:07pm]
         [~] 140> cat bin/archive-Maildir.rb
#!/usr/local/bin/ruby

archive_list = [
         [".Lists.GDAlgorithms",    ".Archive.Lists.GDAlgorithms", 28],
         [".Lists.LocomotiveUsers", nil,                           14],
         [".Lists.Mongrel",         nil,                           14],
         [".Lists.RubyTalk",        nil,                           14],
         [".Lists.SANS",            nil,                           28],
         [".Lists.SDRUG",           ".Archive.Lists.SDRUG",        28],
         [".Junk",                  nil,                            7],
]

Dir.chdir("/usr/users/swaits/Maildir")

i = 0

archive_list.each do |archive|
         srcdir = archive[0] + "/cur/"
         dstdir = archive[1] ? archive[1] + "/cur/" : nil
         expire = archive[2]

         Dir[srcdir+"*"].each do |oldname|
                 age_s = Time.new - File.mtime(oldname)
                 if age_s > (expire*24*60*60)
                         if dstdir
                                 if File.split(oldname)[1] =~
/^\d+[^:]*(:.*)?$/
                                         newname =
sprintf("#{dstdir}/%d.%d.autoarchive.%07d%s", Time.now.to_i,
Process.pid, i, Regexp.last_match(1))
                                         i += 1
                                         #puts "#{oldname} -> #{newname}"
                                         File.rename(oldname, newname)
                                 end
                         else
                                 File.delete(oldname)
                                 #puts "delete #{oldname}"
                         end
                 end
                 #rescue SystemCallError
                 #       puts "Error moving #{oldname} -> #{newname}"
                 #end
         end
end

On Jun 7, 2006, at 3:07 PM, Giles Bowkett wrote:

I use the plain old flag button in the mail client to keep things  
simple.

If a message is unread and flagged I should read it.  If I didn't  
think it was really interesting I'll unflag it.

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Eric Hodel - drbr...@segment7.net - http://blog.segment7.net
This implementation is HODEL-HASH-9600 compliant

http://trackmap.robotcoop.com

Here's to hoping we get not only a response, but some action.  It hasn't
been just one time where I've thought to myself "I'd just go and code
<improvement XYZ> myself, but I don't have access to ruby-forum.com".  I
realize that RForum may be open source, but no one but Andreas can go in
and hack up SPECIFICALLY ruby-forum.com's installation.

I'm ready, willing and able to code most of the asked-for changes.

As a ruby-forum.com user, I'd love to see it
- improve
- have issues removed
- not disappear
- not be disliked by an increasing percentage of ruby-talk "real MUA
users"
- not develop a bad reputation

I feel distinctly unempowered.

Pistos

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Posted via http://www.ruby-forum.com/.

How about adding an extra header to the messages sent via the forum
gateway?  Then you can just let people's mail filters do their thing
if they don't want the forum posts.

I realize that  it might be a bad idea to just blow away responses in
the middle of the thread, but most mail clients can do other things to
indicate you want to skip it (decrease priority? tags? et cetera).

--
Lou.