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Gavin Kistner  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 3:33 pm
From: "Gavin Kistner" <gavin.kist...@anark.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 04:33:07 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 3:33 pm
Subject: Crashing RubyConf
I was not properly paying attention, and now find that the RubyConf site
says that registration is over and the conference is full. Woe to me,
who lives 30 minutes away.

What aspect of the conference is sold out? Is it rooms at the hotel, or
is there a fire-code capacity to the room(s) the conference is being
held in?

Specifically, I'm asking if it might be OK for those of us who live
nearby to drive in, attend sessions, and drive out? Possibly slipping
some cash in the amount of normal registration costs to someone in
charge.

I assume the answer is no, but I had to ask.


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James Britt  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 4:09 pm
From: James Britt <james.br...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:09:59 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 4:09 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf

Gavin Kistner wrote:
> I was not properly paying attention, and now find that the RubyConf site
> says that registration is over and the conference is full. Woe to me,
> who lives 30 minutes away.

> What aspect of the conference is sold out? Is it rooms at the hotel, or
> is there a fire-code capacity to the room(s) the conference is being
> held in?

> Specifically, I'm asking if it might be OK for those of us who live
> nearby to drive in, attend sessions, and drive out? Possibly slipping
> some cash in the amount of normal registration costs to someone in
> charge.

> I assume the answer is no, but I had to ask.

I'd be surprised if cash-in-hand works as a ticket to the conference,
but I don't want to discourage anyone from tossing larges sums of cash a
David and Chad and Rich.

I think the lobby is a public space until you misbehave enough to get
tossed out.  Same for the bar. So you can catch the hallway track.

--
James Britt

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Joe Van Dyk  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 4:24 pm
From: "Joe Van Dyk" <joevan...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:24:29 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 4:24 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
On 9/7/06, James Britt <james.br...@gmail.com> wrote:

Hm, what's considered misbehaving?  Nudity?  Drunkeness?  Throwing bacon?

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ara.t.how...@noaa.gov  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 4:33 pm
From: ara.t.how...@noaa.gov
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:33:13 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 4:33 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf

naw.  those are all ok.  you just can throw bacon __while__ you're naked.
unless you happend to be drunk too, then it's ok.

-a
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science merely does not find is a completely different matter... it is quite
clear that there are many, many mysterious things.
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Gavin Kistner  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 4:43 pm
From: "Gavin Kistner" <gavin.kist...@anark.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:43:19 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
From: ara.t.how...@noaa.gov [mailto:ara.t.how...@noaa.gov]

>On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Joe Van Dyk wrote:
>> On 9/7/06, James Britt <james.br...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I think the lobby is a public space until you misbehave enough to
>>> get tossed out.  Same for the bar. So you can catch the hallway
>>> gettrack.

>> Hm, what's considered misbehaving?  Nudity?  Drunkeness?  
>> Throwing bacon?

> naw.  those are all ok.  you just can throw bacon __while__
> you're naked.
> unless you happend to be drunk too, then it's ok.

So...it's an xor thing? As long as you are doing an odd number of odd
things, all's well?

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Gavin Kistner  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 4:54 pm
From: "Gavin Kistner" <gavin.kist...@anark.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 05:54:48 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 4:54 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
From: James Britt [mailto:james.br...@gmail.com]

> I think the lobby is a public space until you misbehave enough to get
> tossed out.  Same for the bar. So you can catch the hallway track.

Is there really a 'hallway track', or are you just poking fun at my sore
spots?

If there is, is there a schedule/list of tracks somewhere that we the
public have access to? I'd be interested to see what intriguing bits I
might be able to learn about if I freeloaded in the public spaces.

All I've been able to find is: http://www.rubyconf.com/talks.html (which
has no information on locations or times).

Or are there just going to be pretty science-fair posters up in the
hallway and hobnobbing to be had?


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Aaron Patterson  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 5:21 pm
From: Aaron Patterson <aaron_patter...@speakeasy.net>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:21:39 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 5:21 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 05:24:29AM +0900, Joe Van Dyk wrote:

[snip]

> Hm, what's considered misbehaving?  Nudity?  Drunkeness?  Throwing bacon?

Throwing bacon is fine.  As long as it isn't in cake form.  Bacon cake
(known as "cakeon" on the east coast) should be eaten and not thrown.

--Aaron


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James Britt  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 5:26 pm
From: James Britt <james.br...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:26:39 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 5:26 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf

Joe Van Dyk wrote:

> Hm, what's considered misbehaving?  Nudity?  Drunkeness?  Throwing bacon?

I would start with all of that, and somehow work in multiple incendiary
devices and a series of sudden loud noises.

--
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James Britt  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 5:31 pm
From: James Britt <james.br...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:31:18 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 5:31 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf

Gavin Kistner wrote:
> From: James Britt [mailto:james.br...@gmail.com]

>>I think the lobby is a public space until you misbehave enough to get
>>tossed out.  Same for the bar. So you can catch the hallway track.

> Is there really a 'hallway track', or are you just poking fun at my sore
> spots?

It's slang for the discussions that occur outside the actual
presentation area, such as the lobby, bar, restaurant, pool-side, or
wherever geeks gather.

My idea of a good conf is when the talks are short and disperse just
enough info and ideas to trigger such extended discussions.  A good
hallway track is a sign of a good conference, and it's one of the things
that makes me keep coming to RubyConf.

--
James Britt

"A principle or axiom is of no value without the rules for applying it."
   - Len Bullard


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Austin Ziegler  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 5:33 pm
From: "Austin Ziegler" <halosta...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 06:33:45 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 5:33 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
On 9/7/06, Gavin Kistner <gavin.kist...@anark.com> wrote:

> From: James Britt [mailto:james.br...@gmail.com]
>> I think the lobby is a public space until you misbehave enough to get
>> tossed out.  Same for the bar. So you can catch the hallway track.
> Is there really a 'hallway track', or are you just poking fun at my
> sore spots?

RubyConf is and always has been a single-track event. I have discussed
this with David Black sufficiently to suggest that the likelihood of
RubyConf ever becoming multi-track is very low. (I think a snowball has
a better chance, if you catch my drift.)

However, the planning for RubyConf is sufficiently flexible that there
*is* a hallway track in that there's often a lot of hallway discussions
(without the science-fair posters) and some random hacking that gets
done.

I didn't attend it, but I hear that one of the more interesting
discussions happened around behaviour driven development by the pool in
San Diego last year (I think that I was a bit jet-lagged and therefore
didn't attend that). It was in no way an officially planned event.

-austin
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dbl...@wobblini.net  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 6:24 pm
From: dbl...@wobblini.net
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 07:24:43 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:24 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
Hi --

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Gavin Kistner wrote:
> I was not properly paying attention, and now find that the RubyConf site
> says that registration is over and the conference is full. Woe to me,
> who lives 30 minutes away.

> What aspect of the conference is sold out? Is it rooms at the hotel, or
> is there a fire-code capacity to the room(s) the conference is being
> held in?

> Specifically, I'm asking if it might be OK for those of us who live
> nearby to drive in, attend sessions, and drive out? Possibly slipping
> some cash in the amount of normal registration costs to someone in
> charge.

> I assume the answer is no, but I had to ask.

I'm afraid the answer is indeed no.  There's no registration at the
door; it's really and truly sold out.  Sold out means we're at
capacity, based on the facilities and our judgment as to what would
make for a successful and reasonably comfortable event.

I know the above is adequate for you, Gavin, and that you'll respect
it; but since the topic has come up, let me append a plea to everyone:
If you're not registered, PLEASE do not show up at RubyConf and try to
get in, with or without offering us money.  For better or worse, we
have made decisions about capacity and how we want to organize the
event.  That's how these events work: someone has to decide stuff, and
the event has to proceed according to a plan.  It can't be negotiated
and second-guessed forever.

Public areas of the hotel are, of course, hangable out in.  I'm sure
there will be lots of dining out opportunities, too; not everyone has
signed up for the conference meals.

David

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Author of "Ruby for Rails"   [1] | Ruby/Rails training & consultancy [3]
DABlog (DAB's Weblog)        [2] | Co-director, Ruby Central, Inc.   [4]
[1] http://www.manning.com/black | [3] http://www.rubypowerandlight.com
[2] http://dablog.rubypal.com    | [4] http://www.rubycentral.org


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dbl...@wobblini.net  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 6:26 pm
From: dbl...@wobblini.net
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 07:26:01 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 6:26 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
Hi --

On Fri, 8 Sep 2006, Austin Ziegler wrote:
> I didn't attend it, but I hear that one of the more interesting
> discussions happened around behaviour driven development by the pool in
> San Diego last year (I think that I was a bit jet-lagged and therefore
> didn't attend that). It was in no way an officially planned event.

It was a remarkable sight: a spontaneous pool-side discussion that
actually had more people at it than attended the first RubyConf in
2001!

David

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Author of "Ruby for Rails"   [1] | Ruby/Rails training & consultancy [3]
DABlog (DAB's Weblog)        [2] | Co-director, Ruby Central, Inc.   [4]
[1] http://www.manning.com/black | [3] http://www.rubypowerandlight.com
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Jim Weirich  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 7:20 pm
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From: Jim Weirich <j...@weirichhouse.org>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 08:20:00 +0900
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf

David wrote:
> Public areas of the hotel are, of course, hangable out in.  I'm sure
> there will be lots of dining out opportunities, too; not everyone has
> signed up for the conference meals.

Indeed, the Thursday night before the conference always has a bunch of
early birds showing up and going out to eat together.  If someone local
to Denver wants to make a suggestion for a destination, I'm sure it
would be great to meet up with some local, non-conference Rubyists.

-- Jim Weirich

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James Edward Gray II  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 8:37 pm
From: James Edward Gray II <ja...@grayproductions.net>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 09:37:00 +0900
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
On Sep 7, 2006, at 6:20 PM, Jim Weirich wrote:

> David wrote:
>> Public areas of the hotel are, of course, hangable out in.  I'm sure
>> there will be lots of dining out opportunities, too; not everyone has
>> signed up for the conference meals.

> Indeed, the Thursday night before the conference always has a bunch of
> early birds showing up and going out to eat together.  If someone  
> local
> to Denver wants to make a suggestion for a destination, I'm sure it
> would be great to meet up with some local, non-conference Rubyists.

There's a good Indian restaurant pretty close to there, though the  
name escapes me at the moment.  There's also a great mexican joint  
that makes the guacamole at your table to taste.  Darn it, that name  
has left me too.  (Don't be too hard on my fuzzy memory; it's been  
ten years since I lived there.)  OK locals, help me with the names...

James Edward Gray II


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Paul Lutus  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 9:07 pm
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Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 10:07:10 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 9:07 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Crashing RubyConf

dbl...@wobblini.net wrote:

/ ...

> Public areas of the hotel are, of course, hangable out in.

Oh, please, stop, stop. This is a wonderful sentence. I guess this sort of
prose can become natural over time, depending of course on the people ...
around with whom you hang.

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John W. Long  
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From: "John W. Long" <n...@johnwlong.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:19:20 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 10:19 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Crashing RubyConf

Paul Lutus wrote:
> dbl...@wobblini.net wrote:

> / ...

>> Public areas of the hotel are, of course, hangable out in.

> Oh, please, stop, stop. This is a wonderful sentence. I guess this sort of
> prose can become natural over time, depending of course on the people ...
> around with whom you hang.

class Hallway
   include Hangoutable
end

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Gregory Brown  
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 More options Sep 7 2006, 10:29 pm
From: "Gregory Brown" <gregory.t.br...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 11:29:49 +0900
Local: Thurs, Sep 7 2006 10:29 pm
Subject: Re: [OT] Crashing RubyConf
On 9/7/06, Paul Lutus <nos...@nosite.zzz> wrote:

> dbl...@wobblini.net wrote:

> / ...

> > Public areas of the hotel are, of course, hangable out in.

> Oh, please, stop, stop. This is a wonderful sentence. I guess this sort of
> prose can become natural over time, depending of course on the people ...
> around with whom you hang.

I must be learning from dblack.  Yesterday I uttered the phrase:

> Also, has anyone thought on what days for games?

to our university's frisbee club.

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Bil Kleb  
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 More options Sep 8 2006, 6:45 am
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From: Bil Kleb <Bil.K...@NASA.gov>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 19:45:39 +0900
Local: Fri, Sep 8 2006 6:45 am
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf

Gavin Kistner wrote:

> Is there really a 'hallway track', or are you just poking fun at my sore
> spots?

Maybe we need to institute something equivalent to the 1860s'
Salon des Refusés?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_des_Refus%C3%A9s

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John Wilger  
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 More options Sep 8 2006, 9:39 am
From: "John Wilger" <johnwil...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 2006 22:39:33 +0900
Local: Fri, Sep 8 2006 9:39 am
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf
On 9/7/06, Jim Weirich <j...@weirichhouse.org> wrote:

> Indeed, the Thursday night before the conference always has a bunch of
> early birds showing up and going out to eat together.  If someone local
> to Denver wants to make a suggestion for a destination, I'm sure it
> would be great to meet up with some local, non-conference Rubyists.

Oh great. Now you've got me _actually_considering_ flying out to
Denver just to do The Great Ruby Dinner Party on Thrusday night. :-P

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"Where do you want to go?" responded the Cheshire cat.
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Hal Fulton  
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From: Hal Fulton <hal9...@hypermetrics.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 08:50:27 +0900
Local: Fri, Sep 8 2006 7:50 pm
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf

Bil Kleb wrote:
> Gavin Kistner wrote:

>> Is there really a 'hallway track', or are you just poking fun at my sore
>> spots?

> Maybe we need to institute something equivalent to the 1860s'
> Salon des Refusés?

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_des_Refus%C3%A9s

Hmm, would that cast David as Napoleon?

Hal


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Christian Neukirchen  
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From: Christian Neukirchen <chneukirc...@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 21:33:07 +0900
Local: Sat, Sep 9 2006 8:33 am
Subject: Re: Crashing RubyConf

Hal Fulton <hal9...@hypermetrics.com> writes:
> Bil Kleb wrote:
>> Gavin Kistner wrote:

>>> Is there really a 'hallway track', or are you just poking fun at my sore
>>> spots?
>> Maybe we need to institute something equivalent to the 1860s'
>> Salon des Refusés?
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salon_des_Refus%C3%A9s

> Hmm, would that cast David as Napoleon?

Now, guess the Waterloo.

> Hal

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