Proposal: Something on Hobo?

[Tom Locke]

Hi Folks

Any interest in something on Hobo? From me, the chap wot made (most
of) it.

http://hobocentral.net

We did a half day hands-on tutorial at railsconf and folk seemed to
enjoy it : )

Tom

[James Adam]

Could definitely be interesting - but given you've only got 30 (or
even 8) minutes, rather than a half-day, what do you think would be
the most useful stuff you could present about it?

[Tom Locke]

> Could definitely be interesting - but given you've only got 30 (or  
> even 8) minutes, rather than a half-day, what do you think would be  
> the most useful stuff you could present about it?

Yeah I didn't mean to propose a half-day session as at railsconf.
Hmmm. I was hoping you would tell *me* what would be interesting : )

I could talk about DRYML for 8 or 30 minutes I suppose...

Tom

[James Adam]

I think there's load of potential, the trick is finding the aspects
that most people will find useful, even if they decide not to use
Hobo. That could be

- Using Hobo (this might be 30 minutes, and you'd probably want to
cover cases where Hobo isn't appropriate too)
- using DRYML without Hobo
- what it's like to build a plugin that delves so deeply into rails
(i.e. how you keep in sync with edge)
- Anything you've learned while working on Hobo... like maybe how
you manage bugs and patches and so on...

These are just off the top of my head. Is there anything in Hobo that
you're passionate about, and think other people should know about?

Anyone else have any thoughts?

James

[Murray Steele]

2008/9/25 James Adam <ja...@lazyatom.com>

On 25 Sep 2008, at 09:21, Tom Locke wrote:

>
>> Could definitely be interesting - but given you've only got 30 (or
>> even 8) minutes, rather than a half-day, what do you think would be
>> the most useful stuff you could present about it?
>
> Yeah I didn't mean to propose a half-day session as at railsconf.
> Hmmm. I was hoping you would tell *me* what would be interesting : )
>

  - Using Hobo (this might be 30 minutes, and you'd probably want to
cover cases where Hobo isn't appropriate too)

Every time I hear about Hobo, I think "Hmm, that does look interesting, I should look into that in more detail later". It would be good to hear something that would change the "later" into a "now" in that thought.  I think a quick intro of the form James suggested would be really useful.  I had a quick look and the first thing I thought was "Oh, so it' makes Rails more like Django", is that fair?  I'd love to hear more.

 - what it's like to build a plugin that delves so deeply into rails

(i.e. how you keep in sync with edge)
 - Anything you've learned while working on Hobo... like maybe how
you manage bugs and patches and so on...

I also think that either of these suggestions (or both combined) could make really good talks too.  I expect that it would be a fun walk through the internals of both Hobo and Rails, as well as giving off plenty of tips for developing your own plugin regardless of its scope.

Muz

[Tom Locke]

Sounds like we're up to about 300 minutes : ) I guess I could talk
really really fast.

Re. Django comparison -- I'm not really keeping fully up to date with
what those guys are doing, but I would say no, that's not quite right.
My goal was to create something much more flexible. For me Hobo is
simply "a better Rails", although I realise that's hopelessly vague!

Anyway - I'm happy to talk for however long on whatever you guys would
like to hear.

Tom

[petef]

I think a DRYML focused talk would be good. It's something which
people could easily pick up and see the benefit of: better separation
of concerns, more maintainable pages.

+1
--
petef

[StevieH]

Hobo is great - some time on using Hobo within an IDE (Specifically
Netbeans) would be useful I think as it would show how quickly you can
have not only something working but how easy it is to change what
you've created within for example Netbeans.

Steve.

>
> > Yeah I didn't mean to propose a half-day session as at railsconf.
> > Hmmm. I was hoping you would tell *me* what would be interesting : )
>
> > I could talk about DRYML for 8 or 30 minutes I suppose...
>
> I think there's load of potential, the trick is finding the aspects  
> that most people will find useful, even if they decide not to use  Hobo. That could be
>

>   - UsingHobo(this might be 30 minutes, and you'd probably want to  
> cover cases whereHoboisn't appropriate too)

>   - using DRYML withoutHobo
>   - what it's like to build a plugin that delves so deeply into rails  
> (i.e. how you keep in sync with edge)

>   - Anything you've learned while working onHobo... like maybe how