Cucumber

[James Adam]

(moving this into its own thread, for clarity)

On 2 Nov 2009, at 14:52, Joseph Wilk wrote:

> If there is demand I would be happy to give a talk about some of the
> new things in Cucumber. I'm one of the Cuke dev team and one of the
> London subset along with Matt.
> Even better if Matt can make it we could combine our minds and see
> what comes out.
>
> WDYT Matt, everyone?

I am reasonably interested in Cucumber, but I think more than learning
about new features, I'm really interested in figuring out why, as a
developer, I would want to use it over, for example, shoulda and a
nice set of helper methods (login_as, create_blog_post, or whatever's
appropriate in the domain).

I'm pretty much sold on driving implementation from an integration-y
angle, but what I'm not sure about is adding the extra layer of
regexps and strings of pseudo-human-language.

I don't think we should actually address my question here in this
thread - that should be saved for the talk, of course - but I wonder
if anyone else might be thinking similarly, and if this might form
some (hopefully interesting and useful) part of a prospective
presentation?

- James

[George Palmer]

I'd be very keen to hear an answer to that question.
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2009/11/2 James Adam <ja...@lazyatom.com>:

[David A. Black]

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, George Palmer wrote:

> I'd be very keen to hear an answer to that question.

I've got one but the Guv'nor doesn't want me to write it here :-)


David

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[James Adam]

On 2 Nov 2009, at 15:21, David A. Black wrote:

>
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, George Palmer wrote:
>
>> I'd be very keen to hear an answer to that question.
>
> I've got one but the Guv'nor doesn't want me to write it here :-)

:P

I'm only keen that my feedback doesn't take over discussion about
other aspects of a potential proposal so early in it's life... there
are plenty of fully-fledged Cuke-converts (Cukeverts?) who may find
more value covering other aspects :)

- James

[Tom Lea]

Ditto, still remain unconvinced of the benefits of Cucumber. I still
don't think BAs can write tests, no matter how many layers of
abstraction you apply, and the advantages of cucumber as a an
alternative syntax to ruby also goes over my head.

Convince me some time in person, perhaps at some kind of conference?

[Joseph Wilk]

Definitely an interesting question and its the one that most
discussions about Cuke boil down to. With the introduction of a number
of libraries born out of the frustrations with Cucumber it would be
interesting to look at what problems they try to solve and what use-
cases they target. So not just Cuke, but alternatives to Cuke as
well.

--
Joseph Wilk

[Kalv]

So I'm a Cuke-convert (Cukevert), been using cucumber for some web
projects now, so a bit different from a meaningful debate on why I
would love to hear about what tips/tricks in writing features people
should do (well maybe me at this stage).

- Perhaps better ways of page routing
- Ways of speeding up features
- Efficient layouts of files to features
- What certain steps people should not miss out in scenarios for web
apps. (might be too specific for usage)

[edavey]

Really interested in conventions or patterns people are using to
organise their Cucumber tests and steps. I'm finding that Cucumber
gives beautifully readable tests, but the steps behind them can end up
time-consuming to unpick...

Ed