freenet as a trust network

[matabele]

The problem of trust was discussed on a previous thread, and there
were apparently no readily available solutions.

The small world algorithm used for routing freenet makes use of
'closeness' in a P2P information trust network (see this video.)

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2894489251637986433#

It occurs to me that if you trust someone with information, you might
also trust them with money? Could Ripple, therefore, not use freenet
to establish trust relationships?

[Ryan Fugger]

On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 8:07 PM, matabele <matabe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The problem of trust was discussed on a previous thread, and there
> were apparently no readily available solutions.
>
> The small world algorithm used for routing freenet makes use of
> 'closeness' in a P2P information trust network (see this video.)
>

Yes, I've had many productive discussions with Matthew Toseland, the
primary freenet developer, about Ripple, since the two projects have a
lot of similar aspects.

> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2894489251637986433#
>
> It occurs to me that if you trust someone with information, you might
> also trust them with money? Could Ripple, therefore, not use freenet
> to establish trust relationships?
>

I don't think that data-sharing trust is quite the same as financial
trust. "Hey, I downloaded stuff from you on freenet -- lend me $100?"
Doesn't quite work for me...

Ryan

[Jaro Larnos]

> I don't think that data-sharing trust is quite the same as financial
> trust.  "Hey, I downloaded stuff from you on freenet -- lend me $100?"
>  Doesn't quite work for me...

What I think he meant was, if you trust someone enough to have in your
intimate freenet-circle, peering as your neighboring connections, you
might as well trust them financially. Not just any anonymous guy off
the net.

[Mark Beihoffer]

I concur, although I'm just a lurker, what you're saying about trust makes cents to me. ;-)

(from a micro-credit standpoint, at least.)

- Mark

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[Ryan Fugger]

I'd agree that if Ripple was implemented on top of freenet, it would
make sense to make it an option to trust your freenet connections
financially, just as in Facebook it would make sense to make it an
option to trust your "friends" financially.

Ryan

[matabele]

There is not much risk attached to a Facebook friend (that is why many
accounts have multitudes of friends) - I consider that much more
caution is necessary when making freenet connections. Why use freenet
unless security is an issue?

It was for this reason that I thought users of freenet would choose
their connections carefully. For example, use by a spy network -
surely you will trust someone with your money, that you trust with
your life. If security is not an issue - then join Facebook.

It struck me that Ripple could be adapted to work completely P2P with
freenet - both routing and trust could piggy-back the network. Perhaps
Ripple will become the super-app that drives freenet :) Then you may
choose to trust people with your life that you trust with your money.

On Dec 7, 2:43 am, Ryan Fugger <rfug...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd agree that if Ripple was implemented on top of freenet, it would
> make sense to make it an option to trust your freenet connections
> financially, just as in Facebook it would make sense to make it an
> option to trust your "friends" financially.
>
> Ryan
>

> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Mark Beihoffer <mbeihof...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I concur, although I'm just a lurker, what you're saying about trust makes
> > cents to me. ;-)
>
> > (from a micro-credit standpoint, at least.)
>
> > - Mark
>

> > On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 2:50 AM, Jaro Larnos <dignifiedact...@googlemail.com>