Documentation Updates

[Chris Missal]

As it has been pointed in other threads. People appear to be looking for RM documentation, but finding old information. It's hard to get Google to point to a new page first, but maybe we can convince Ayende to update those pages that are showing up high? :) Here are some old pages that come up in searches that could point users to more current info:

http://www.ayende.com/projects/rhino-mocks/documentation.aspx
http://www.ayende.com/wiki/Rhino+Mocks+Documentation.ashx
http://ayende.com/Blog/archive/2005/08/16/UpdatedRhinoMocksDocumentation.aspx
http://www.ayende.com/wiki/Rhino+Mocks.ashx (this one is ok, but could use a few updates of links)


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[Stephen Price]

Hi Chris,

If those are the old pages, where are the current documentation pages? I must say that finding good up to date examples of how to use Rhinomocks has been frustratingly hard. A solution containing working examples would also be a really nice touch. When you install Typemock it installs an example solution with dozens of working projects of all different kinds of scenarios. 

Given there are so many mocking frameworks, each with its own flavour of syntax, combined with Record and Play versus AAA styled approaches, its a minefield for someone trying to learn mocking frameworks. 

If anyone knows where the latest documents are, or of an existing example solution please point me the way. 

many thanks,

Stephen 

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[Tim Barcz]

I'd be happy to supply or start an open source example solution, in fact I'm surprised one doesn't already exists and am ashamed we (I) haven't thought of this before.

Tim

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[Stephen Price]

I was thinking of doing it myself as a learning experience, but it would carry more weight, and probably be more useful if it was from yourself? 

Be happy to help/beta test it, and contribute via requests for specific examples etc. It should compliment the actual documentation too I think. Might be a good place to start by taking the examples in the docs and putting it into a working solution? Would help weed out the documentation that needs updating too!

Thanks Tim, appreciate your willingness to improve Rhinomocks.

Out of curiosity, what part do you play with Rhinomocks? Is Rhinomocks wholey written by Ayende or are there other people on the team? I've only been on this list a week now so still learning who's involved. :)

cheers,

Stephen

[Alex McMahon]

to pre-empt Ayende's usual reply... A few of those pages and certainly all the real documentation is a wiki, so any of us can update it. The sample solution would indeed be a good idea.

2009/11/17 Chris Missal <chris....@gmail.com>

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[Ayende Rahien]

:-)
More to the point, I would like to move all the documentation to:
http://hibernatingrhinos.com/open-source/rhino-mocks

People find wikis hard to use, my hope is that by providing WLW support, we can get better docs.

[Alex McMahon]

If I recall you have to setup each contributor with an account to edit right? Are many people setup? I must admit I'd completely forgotten about this page, the example there is a much better one than in the current documentation pages, we'll need to point a lot more places to it, once there's more documentation there.

2009/11/18 Ayende Rahien <aye...@ayende.com>

[Stephen Price]

For me, its not a case of being hard to use but more a point of not thinking i'm qualified/expert enough to want to risk messing up the wiki. Unless it was my own wiki, I treat wiki's like Wikipedia. [citation needed] ;)

[Chris Missal]

This is good. I didn't know this site existed either. I don't think I can contribute *tons*, but I'm willing to help out here and there if there's room to add me. Currently, it would seem the problem in finding this site through searches is because:

1) the site is relatively new (~ year and a half old)
2) it doesn't carry much weight with search engines (google page rank of zero, compared to ayende.com's rank of 4.5)

That aside, the first step would be to start putting content on hibernatingrhinos.com and linking to it (can people start adding links to it from sites like github, ohloh, etc...?) to start building page rank. :-)

I think adding a sample solution is also a fantastic idea.

Chris Missal
http://chrismissal.lostechies.com/

[Tim Barcz]

"Out of curiosity, what part do you play with Rhinomocks? Is Rhinomocks wholey written by Ayende or are there other people on the team? I've only been on this list a week now so still learning who's involved. :)"

Ayende wrote most of it but has had additions to it over time by other in the form of patches (now pull requests on Git).  I got involved over a year ago in a simple act of trying to answer a question before Ayende could get to it.  One day I got to one before he did...and then I gained confidence and started answering more. I work mostly here to answer questions, typically someone who is smarter than I or has more time (or both) has worked on code. I speak often on Rhino mocks and testing strategies at code camps and local user groups.

Tim

[Tim Barcz]

Just following up that this is underway with a Rhino.Mocks.GettingStarted project.  I'll report back here in a bit to get some volunteers to create different areas/examples.

Tim

[Fabien Arcellier]

Hi,

I read the topic after to post the work. Yesterday, I have decided to
learn how to use RhinoMock and after I have done all exemple.
I have thought it'll be a great idea to share a visual studio
solution.

I have done a package with all documentation exemple and add every
time a minimum implementation to pass the unit test:
http://rhinomocks.googlegroups.com/web/Documentation-Samples-RhinoMocks.zip?gda=n8_NLFYAAABKwZiw4Ue6gVala5zXr8dIe1wkcfqatFc4xmYcHg8Y4gdTR5d6oLM7xgAwsDwVNKQNGZp3CufERclEfK7jULUISe28_bXnaCPXEW6slA6skxPhGuxsWDLdLep2NLleRSE

Feel free to reuse a part of works already done.

It'd be a good idea to use a simple project as base using to implement
official examples to show the potential of Mock objects with Rhino
Mocks.
Currently, lot of exemples are done, if don't do any mistakes, from
Nhibernate.

Regards,
Fabien Arcellier

> >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 9:44 AM, Tim Barcz <timba...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> I'd be happy to supply or start an open source example solution, in fact
> >>> I'm surprised one doesn't already exists and am ashamed we (I) haven't
> >>> thought of this before.
>
> >>> Tim
>
> >>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:42 PM, Stephen Price <lyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> Hi Chris,
>
> >>>> If those are the old pages, where are the current documentation pages? I
> >>>> must say that finding good up to date examples of how to use Rhinomocks has
> >>>> been frustratingly hard. A solution containing working examples would also
> >>>> be a really nice touch. When you install Typemock it installs an example
> >>>> solution with dozens of working projects of all different kinds of
> >>>> scenarios.
>
> >>>> Given there are so many mocking frameworks, each with its own flavour of
> >>>> syntax, combined with Record and Play versus AAA styled approaches, its a
> >>>> minefield for someone trying to learn mocking frameworks.
>
> >>>> If anyone knows where the latest documents are, or of an existing
> >>>> example solution please point me the way.
>
> >>>> many thanks,
> >>>> Stephen
>

> >>>> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:44 AM, Chris Missal <chris.mis...@gmail.com>wrote:
>
> >>>>> As it has been pointed in other threads. People appear to be looking
> >>>>> for RM documentation, but finding old information. It's hard to get Google
> >>>>> to point to a new page first, but maybe we can convince Ayende to update
> >>>>> those pages that are showing up high? :) Here are some old pages that come
> >>>>> up in searches that could point users to more current info:
>
> >>>>>http://www.ayende.com/projects/rhino-mocks/documentation.aspx
> >>>>>http://www.ayende.com/wiki/Rhino+Mocks+Documentation.ashx
>

> >>>>>http://ayende.com/Blog/archive/2005/08/16/UpdatedRhinoMocksDocumentat...
> >>>>>http://www.ayende.com/wiki/Rhino+Mocks.ashx(this one is ok, but could

[Ben M]

any update to this Oren? It sure would be nice to see some doc'n with
the newer syntax...

On Nov 18, 12:47 am, Ayende Rahien <aye...@ayende.com> wrote:
> :-)
> More to the point, I would like to move all the documentation to:http://hibernatingrhinos.com/open-source/rhino-mocks
>
> People find wikis hard to use, my hope is that by providing WLW support, we
> can get better docs.
>

> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Alex McMahon <fluxmu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > to pre-empt Ayende's usual reply... A few of those pages and certainly all
> > the real documentation is a wiki, so any of us can update it. The sample
> > solution would indeed be a good idea.
>

> > 2009/11/17 Chris Missal <chris.mis...@gmail.com>

>
> > As it has been pointed in other threads. People appear to be looking for RM
> >> documentation, but finding old information. It's hard to get Google to point
> >> to a new page first, but maybe we can convince Ayende to update those pages
> >> that are showing up high? :) Here are some old pages that come up in
> >> searches that could point users to more current info:
>
> >>http://www.ayende.com/projects/rhino-mocks/documentation.aspx
> >>http://www.ayende.com/wiki/Rhino+Mocks+Documentation.ashx
>

> >>http://ayende.com/Blog/archive/2005/08/16/UpdatedRhinoMocksDocumentat...
> >>http://www.ayende.com/wiki/Rhino+Mocks.ashx(this one is ok, but could

> >> use a few updates of links)
>
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[Ayende Rahien]

Sorry, I wasn't following up on this thread.
I am more than happy to provide people with access to the site so they can add the documentation.

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