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tiredofspam
Jun 8, 2012, 6:22:57 AM6/8/12
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Leon,
I bought aluminum bar clamps years ago mail order from HF.
Like $6.99 or something. Probably 12-15 years ago.
I bought the Jet brand 3 or 4 years ago.
My Jets bend like crazy..
I measured the walls of the aluminum and the HF were 20% thicker walled.
So the name brand was not upto the quality of the HF..
You pick your battles with HF.. Some things are definetly on par with
name. And some better..
Again Bessey C quick release Clamps are in fact no different fact.
Aluminum bar clamps.. HF wins over jet.
I bought aluminum bar clamps years ago mail order from HF.
Like $6.99 or something. Probably 12-15 years ago.
I bought the Jet brand 3 or 4 years ago.
My Jets bend like crazy..
I measured the walls of the aluminum and the HF were 20% thicker walled.
So the name brand was not upto the quality of the HF..
You pick your battles with HF.. Some things are definetly on par with
name. And some better..
Again Bessey C quick release Clamps are in fact no different fact.
Aluminum bar clamps.. HF wins over jet.
Dr. Deb
Jun 8, 2012, 8:13:24 AM6/8/12
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wrote:
But that is true across the board, and especially with HF. I have seen
things in HF (either catalog or store) and then have gotten a flier from a
company that charges much more and seen the same product in their catalog.
Shopping at HF is like anything else, use common sense, try, then buy in
quantity. For example, their new 12" bar clamp is much superior to their
older version. But I would not have know unless I had tried a couple. I
will now begin the replacement process for my lightweight bar clamps. But I
looked the item over, tried it and made the decision.
Kinda like life, really.
Deb
things in HF (either catalog or store) and then have gotten a flier from a
company that charges much more and seen the same product in their catalog.
Shopping at HF is like anything else, use common sense, try, then buy in
quantity. For example, their new 12" bar clamp is much superior to their
older version. But I would not have know unless I had tried a couple. I
will now begin the replacement process for my lightweight bar clamps. But I
looked the item over, tried it and made the decision.
Kinda like life, really.
Deb
Leon
Jun 8, 2012, 9:23:08 AM6/8/12
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models, bend quite easily. I only use the in light duty if necessary. I
have not seen a set of aluminum bar clamps that are any better than what
I have however I would love to see a link to what you are using. As far
as Jet is concerned, I only have the Bessy K-body style Jet clamps.
They truly suck compared to my Bessy Revo and Jorgenson Cabinet master
clamps.
Regardless 20% thicker walls does not guarantee a more ridged bar if the
material is not the same or tempered/hardened to the dame degree.
I have yet to find anything in HF that is better than anything else sold
elsewhere. YMMV
Again I am not saying that HF is not a good deal for some people, it is
just that it, is what it is.
Steve B
Jun 8, 2012, 9:24:04 AM6/8/12
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them, and could not find a decent set. These were about $15 each with
shipping, and are fairly hefty for what I want to use them for, lifting 10'
sheets of 3' wide corrugated metal on the vertical so that I can put them up
myself. They will be used to adjust and hang the sheet until I get it into
position, and can screw a couple of screws into it and hold it in position.
I imagine they will be used for all manner of things.
Like all HF tools, they are good for what they are good for. You can buy a
lot better, but if you're a light or occasional user, they are a bargain
that will save you some money, and last pretty decently.
Steve
tiredofspam
Jun 8, 2012, 9:31:20 AM6/8/12
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The reason I took notice about the bar clamps was due to the bending.
The HF clamps were not bending much at all, yet the Jet was severely bent.
And don't be a snob... having some light clamps is important.
There are times my Bessey and Jorgs are just too damn heavy for what I
am doing.
Sometimes to get setup you need the lighter clamps , often followed by
the heavier but not always.
That's why I have a large collection of clamps... But it's never enough.
Even my Handscrews, I have heavy duty and lighter for the same reason.
Not everything is black and white..
The HF clamps were not bending much at all, yet the Jet was severely bent.
And don't be a snob... having some light clamps is important.
There are times my Bessey and Jorgs are just too damn heavy for what I
am doing.
Sometimes to get setup you need the lighter clamps , often followed by
the heavier but not always.
That's why I have a large collection of clamps... But it's never enough.
Even my Handscrews, I have heavy duty and lighter for the same reason.
Not everything is black and white..
Leon
Jun 8, 2012, 9:52:21 AM6/8/12
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On 6/8/2012 8:31 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
> The reason I took notice about the bar clamps was due to the bending.
> The HF clamps were not bending much at all, yet the Jet was severely bent.
So are all of these clamps including the Jets aluminum bared and the
> The reason I took notice about the bar clamps was due to the bending.
> The HF clamps were not bending much at all, yet the Jet was severely bent.
same length?
>
> And don't be a snob... having some light clamps is important.
> There are times my Bessey and Jorgs are just too damn heavy for what I
> am doing.
the lats on my "go to" list.
>
> Sometimes to get setup you need the lighter clamps , often followed by
> the heavier but not always.
and then replace it with a heavier clamp. Time is money.
> That's why I have a large collection of clamps... But it's never enough.
complete a task, I have 34 bar clamps.
Perhaps if you had a better collection of quality clamps you might not
need a large collection....
Puckdropper at dot
Jun 8, 2012, 10:08:04 AM6/8/12
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I call it the "Diamond in the rough store". Sometimes HF has some real
gems, and other times it is pure junk.
Sometimes they have stuff that the other places just don't have. I
found an intertube for the dolly (hand truck) after checking about 5
other related places. They've got a miniature cut-off saw that's a
great tool for model railroading as it cuts rail (and other metal),
wood, and plastic without much fuss, and it's only $30 or so.
The junk is sometimes easy to spot, but as a rule of thumb I stay away
from air brushes and anything with a cutting edge like drill bits and
saw blades.
Puckdropper
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Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
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gems, and other times it is pure junk.
Sometimes they have stuff that the other places just don't have. I
found an intertube for the dolly (hand truck) after checking about 5
other related places. They've got a miniature cut-off saw that's a
great tool for model railroading as it cuts rail (and other metal),
wood, and plastic without much fuss, and it's only $30 or so.
The junk is sometimes easy to spot, but as a rule of thumb I stay away
from air brushes and anything with a cutting edge like drill bits and
saw blades.
Puckdropper
--
Make it to fit, don't make it fit.
tiredofspam
Jun 8, 2012, 10:18:13 AM6/8/12
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On 6/8/2012 9:52 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 6/8/2012 8:31 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>> The reason I took notice about the bar clamps was due to the bending.
>> The HF clamps were not bending much at all, yet the Jet was severely
>> bent.
>
> So are all of these clamps including the Jets aluminum bared and the
> same length?
>
>
>
>>
>> And don't be a snob... having some light clamps is important.
>> There are times my Bessey and Jorgs are just too damn heavy for what I
>> am doing.
>
> Not being a snob, I own plenty of aluminum bar clamps however they are
> the lats on my "go to" list.
>
>>
>>
>
>
>>
>> And don't be a snob... having some light clamps is important.
>> There are times my Bessey and Jorgs are just too damn heavy for what I
>> am doing.
>
> Not being a snob, I own plenty of aluminum bar clamps however they are
> the lats on my "go to" list.
>
>>
>>
> I do a lot of woodworking, I have never used a lighter clamp to set up
> and then replace it with a heavier clamp. Time is money.
>
>
>
> and then replace it with a heavier clamp. Time is money.
>
>
>
> Ok, I dont have a large collection but I pretty much have enough to
> complete a task, I have 34 bar clamps.
> Perhaps if you had a better collection of quality clamps you might not
> need a large collection....
I have a pretty good set of K body style clamps. I just find for some
> complete a task, I have 34 bar clamps.
> Perhaps if you had a better collection of quality clamps you might not
> need a large collection....
tasks they are too heavy during setup.
I chose not to nail mostly so I find setting up sometimes time
consuming. And heavy clamps don't help when needing to finesse things.
I had been avoiding biscuits for alignment unless absolutely necessary,
and I don't have a domino. I use M&T traditionally not everywhere like
you have done. If I had a domino, I think I would still be more
traditional..
____Maybe that's not efficient, but I am a hobbyist, not making money at
it. If I were like you, I would definitely make the shortcuts you have
made as TIME IS MONEY.___
I build for myself, and friends, and occasionally because someone I
don't know will ask.. Then I charge, but I am not making my living doing
it. Right now I'm not making any living.. Damn..
tiredofspam
Jun 8, 2012, 10:30:22 AM6/8/12
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Too bad about the drill bits.
about 12 years ago I took a chance on their fostner bits and a big TIN
drill bit set.
Both have exceeded expectations. I bought the tin drill bit set for the
garage as a backup to my good bits. These are now the primary set, they
are that good. I save my good bits for critical work. They cut through
metal quickly.
The fostners; TIN also were good. I sharpen them occasionaly. But for
the money the set was impressive. I don't know how the current set is as
things always change.
Those were lucky purchases.
About two years ago I bought the step bits. The small were good, the big
was not.. I exchanged the big and got a better one, but still not as
good as the smaller set. For the price.... the smaller set on sale is an
excellent buy, and now I use it for any sheet metal, and wonder why I
didn't get a set years ago.
I have a lot of name brand quality tools. But I would go broke if I
spent money like that full time. Also sometimes you don't think you
will need something very often.
I would like to buy all American, but lets face it.. we are not always
producing quality products. Festool, Hammer, etc prove that we are
behind, still on technology that is often 80 years old.
So why pay at Home Depot, Lowes, Sears , for an item that is usually
made in China to the same standards as HF. The covering is usually
prettier (sometimes) but not the quality.
But again, it's hit or miss.
about 12 years ago I took a chance on their fostner bits and a big TIN
drill bit set.
Both have exceeded expectations. I bought the tin drill bit set for the
garage as a backup to my good bits. These are now the primary set, they
are that good. I save my good bits for critical work. They cut through
metal quickly.
The fostners; TIN also were good. I sharpen them occasionaly. But for
the money the set was impressive. I don't know how the current set is as
things always change.
Those were lucky purchases.
About two years ago I bought the step bits. The small were good, the big
was not.. I exchanged the big and got a better one, but still not as
good as the smaller set. For the price.... the smaller set on sale is an
excellent buy, and now I use it for any sheet metal, and wonder why I
didn't get a set years ago.
I have a lot of name brand quality tools. But I would go broke if I
spent money like that full time. Also sometimes you don't think you
will need something very often.
I would like to buy all American, but lets face it.. we are not always
producing quality products. Festool, Hammer, etc prove that we are
behind, still on technology that is often 80 years old.
So why pay at Home Depot, Lowes, Sears , for an item that is usually
made in China to the same standards as HF. The covering is usually
prettier (sometimes) but not the quality.
But again, it's hit or miss.
Swingman
Jun 8, 2012, 11:33:26 AM6/8/12
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On 6/8/2012 9:18 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
> ____Maybe that's not efficient, but I am a hobbyist, not making money at
> it. If I were like you, I would definitely make the shortcuts you have
> made as TIME IS MONEY.___
That most definitely does change the way you approach things ...
> ____Maybe that's not efficient, but I am a hobbyist, not making money at
> it. If I were like you, I would definitely make the shortcuts you have
> made as TIME IS MONEY.___
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Swingman
Jun 8, 2012, 11:36:53 AM6/8/12
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On 6/8/2012 9:08 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
> Sometimes they have stuff that the other places just don't have. I
> found an intertube for the dolly (hand truck) after checking about 5
> other related places.
I buy the $40 hand trucks at Sam's, immediately shitcan the pneumatic
> Sometimes they have stuff that the other places just don't have. I
> found an intertube for the dolly (hand truck) after checking about 5
> other related places.
tires that go flat every ten minutes, and replace them with the same
size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
Mike Marlow
Jun 8, 2012, 1:05:57 PM6/8/12
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Puckdropper wrote:
>
> The junk is sometimes easy to spot, but as a rule of thumb I stay away
> from air brushes and anything with a cutting edge like drill bits and
> saw blades.
>
I've never bought their air bushes because I don't have the artistic talent
>
> The junk is sometimes easy to spot, but as a rule of thumb I stay away
> from air brushes and anything with a cutting edge like drill bits and
> saw blades.
>
to use an air brush, however I have sent many people to HF for their paint
guns. The very cheap stuff is junk but their medium priced stuff is good
stuff. I have one that I use for jams and touch up work, and it is fine as
long as I don't try to spray anything too heavy. A better gun should handle
heavier stuff than this one does, but that is almost never a need for me, so
I don't sweat it. Again - this may be an apples and oranges thing...
I do have a set of their drill bits which have not given me any problem. I
bought them because so many people come over and use my garage and my tools,
and drill bits are one of the most common broken tools. People just do not
know how to drill holes, and lay right into small bits at full speed,
thinking they'll drill a hole faster... Cheap way to cut my losses.
--
-Mike-
mmarlo...@windstream.net
Robatoy
Jun 8, 2012, 1:23:28 PM6/8/12
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On Jun 8, 11:36 am, Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote:
, and replace them with the same
> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
Dayum I hate that smell. MUCH worse after chemo.
, and replace them with the same
> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
Robatoy
Jun 8, 2012, 1:29:47 PM6/8/12
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never even think to go there if and when I require a tool which I know
I will use a lot. Festool has spoiled me rotten and the extra money to
buy tools of that quality is soon forgotten. Money.... like Doritos.
We'll make more.
-MIKE-
Jun 8, 2012, 1:38:38 PM6/8/12
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Anyone know what it is, exactly? What causes it? (this should be fun)
:-)
--
-MIKE-
"Playing is not something I do at night, it's my function in life"
--Elvin Jones (1927-2004)
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mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com
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-MIKE-
Jun 8, 2012, 1:49:28 PM6/8/12
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As for the aluminum bar clamps in question... I have a wall full of
them. They go on sale all the time for dirt cheap and I'll just get a
couple for the heck of it. They *do* have a limit on clamping pressure
before the bar bows out. I refer to that as "self pressure regulating."
:-) I like that they are cheap enough to not care about, so I don't mind
abusing them and using them for other odd purposes that might damage them.
Some of their other clamps are the *same, exact* clamps you will find at
HD, Lowes, and even Woodcraft, but for 1/3 the price.
I recently bought their bridge tile saw for $200 after using their 20%
coupon. I'm needing to rip some very long tiles for this bathroom(s)
remodel and it's working great. It's the *same, exact* saw that other
stores and tile centers are selling for $300-450. I'm going to use it
for this project, then put in on Craigslist for $100. So, I'm out
$100.... that's a pretty cheap rental for a decent tile saw. :-)
Ed Pawlowski
Jun 8, 2012, 2:00:05 PM6/8/12
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> Leon,
>
> I bought aluminum bar clamps years ago mail order from HF.
> Like $6.99 or something. Probably 12-15 years ago.
>
> I bought the Jet brand 3 or 4 years ago.
> My Jets bend like crazy..
>
> I measured the walls of the aluminum and the HF were 20% thicker walled.
>
I wonder if they use the same wall thickness today. Aluminum has gotten
>
> I bought aluminum bar clamps years ago mail order from HF.
> Like $6.99 or something. Probably 12-15 years ago.
>
> I bought the Jet brand 3 or 4 years ago.
> My Jets bend like crazy..
>
> I measured the walls of the aluminum and the HF were 20% thicker walled.
>
pricey.
Larry Jaques
Jun 8, 2012, 2:28:53 PM6/8/12
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2012 10:36:53 -0500, Swingman <k...@nospam.com> wrote:
>On 6/8/2012 9:08 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> Sometimes they have stuff that the other places just don't have. I
>> found an intertube for the dolly (hand truck) after checking about 5
>> other related places.
>
>I buy the $40 hand trucks at Sam's, immediately shitcan the pneumatic
>tires that go flat every ten minutes, and replace them with the same
>size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
>that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
Oh, dear! Switching from soft pneumatic to hard rubber? You don't
>On 6/8/2012 9:08 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> Sometimes they have stuff that the other places just don't have. I
>> found an intertube for the dolly (hand truck) after checking about 5
>> other related places.
>
>I buy the $40 hand trucks at Sam's, immediately shitcan the pneumatic
>tires that go flat every ten minutes, and replace them with the same
>size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
>that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
like yourself very much, Swingy. Granted, we need to air up before
use 3 or 4 times a year, but it's worth it. Perhaps you'd like them
better with green slime in the tubes.
But just NOT jarring myself silly when moving several hundred pounds
of whatever going up or down each step is a real good feature of the
pneumatic tires. I adore 'em!
--
A sound mind in a sound body is a short but full description
of a happy state in this world.
-- John Locke
Larry Jaques
Jun 8, 2012, 2:30:28 PM6/8/12
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Sunlight helps bake it out, too. (Tan on both sides, please.)
Scott Lurndal
Jun 8, 2012, 2:38:53 PM6/8/12
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-MIKE- <mi...@mikedrumsDOT.com> writes:
>On 6/8/12 12:23 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 11:36 am, Swingman<k...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> , and replace them with the same
>>> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
>>> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
>>
>> Dayum I hate that smell. MUCH worse after chemo.
>
>There's stuff I can't buy there just because of that stink?
>Anyone know what it is, exactly? What causes it? (this should be fun)
> :-)
tetrachloroethylene
>On 6/8/12 12:23 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 11:36 am, Swingman<k...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> , and replace them with the same
>>> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
>>> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
>>
>> Dayum I hate that smell. MUCH worse after chemo.
>
>There's stuff I can't buy there just because of that stink?
>Anyone know what it is, exactly? What causes it? (this should be fun)
> :-)
russell...@yahoo.com
Jun 8, 2012, 3:46:18 PM6/8/12
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> I recently bought their bridge tile saw for $200 after using their 20%
> coupon. I'm needing to rip some very long tiles for this bathroom(s)
> remodel and it's working great. It's the *same, exact* saw that other
> stores and tile centers are selling for $300-450.
Exactly which saw is this? I'm in need of a tile saw for a bathroom job.
> coupon. I'm needing to rip some very long tiles for this bathroom(s)
> remodel and it's working great. It's the *same, exact* saw that other
> stores and tile centers are selling for $300-450.
tiredofspam
Jun 8, 2012, 4:42:34 PM6/8/12
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Ahhhh so you agree about that stink.
I think you were one of the people telling me that is normal tire stink...
It's not... the Chineese have done tire stink to a whole new level...
I was in a tire store back room the other day and it has a smell..
But not the burnt crap smell that Chineese rubber has...
:-)
I think you were one of the people telling me that is normal tire stink...
It's not... the Chineese have done tire stink to a whole new level...
I was in a tire store back room the other day and it has a smell..
But not the burnt crap smell that Chineese rubber has...
:-)
tiredofspam
Jun 8, 2012, 4:44:39 PM6/8/12
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I had a set of tires for a hand truck that I used on a home made winch..
I needed to roll the winch around... and it took a few years to get rid
of most of it.
But if I bring them inside they still stink... So , no ; it's not really
gone just less abusive in the garage.
I needed to roll the winch around... and it took a few years to get rid
of most of it.
But if I bring them inside they still stink... So , no ; it's not really
gone just less abusive in the garage.
Rita and Neil Ward
Jun 8, 2012, 4:50:39 PM6/8/12
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obnoxious smell.
chaniarts
Jun 8, 2012, 5:01:57 PM6/8/12
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up correctly, as it's hit or miss from the factory. also, the water
delivery system leaves something to be desired, so i've put loc-line
water feeds on it using a higher volume fishtank pump.
i've used mine for laying thousands of sqft tile, granite, slate and
flagstone.
you only need a bridge saw if you're doing rip cuts on very long tiles
or cuts through the middle of wide tiles. for long rip cuts, you can
also use a non-bridge saw if you feed the material into the blade rather
than try to use the sliding table to feed the material. however, the cut
depth of a normal sliding table saw is about 8" or so. if the smallest
dimension of your tile is greater than 16" you may not be able to cut
them in half.
-MIKE-
Jun 8, 2012, 5:55:15 PM6/8/12
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<http://www.harborfreight.com/power-tools/tile-saws/1-1-2-half-hp-bridge-tile-saw-with-stand-97360.html>
Make sure it's perfectly level because it can get messy, real quick.
If it's not sitting level, the water will run off and onto the floor.
And with any saw, it's all about the blade.
Go to a different store and spend the money on a good diamond blade.
It's worked pretty well for me so far. I've never used a tile saw so I
can't compare it to a name brand.
Bill
Jun 8, 2012, 6:20:45 PM6/8/12
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Swingman wrote:
> On 6/8/2012 9:08 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> Sometimes they have stuff that the other places just don't have. I
>> found an intertube for the dolly (hand truck) after checking about 5
>> other related places.
>
> I buy the $40 hand trucks at Sam's, immediately shitcan the pneumatic
> tires that go flat every ten minutes, and replace them with the same
> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
No, I've got a rubber mallet that is still like that after at least 4
> On 6/8/2012 9:08 AM, Puckdropper wrote:
>
>> Sometimes they have stuff that the other places just don't have. I
>> found an intertube for the dolly (hand truck) after checking about 5
>> other related places.
>
> I buy the $40 hand trucks at Sam's, immediately shitcan the pneumatic
> tires that go flat every ten minutes, and replace them with the same
> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
years. Maybe I shouldn't store it wrappen up in a plastic bag, but I
can't stand it? But maybe they just added more "rubber stink" to my
mallet than they usually use?
tiredofspam
Jun 8, 2012, 6:25:17 PM6/8/12
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Bill they actually take all the air pollution and package it in the
rubber. They send it to us so we can enjoy the pollution that they enjoy.
:-)
rubber. They send it to us so we can enjoy the pollution that they enjoy.
:-)
Larry Jaques
Jun 8, 2012, 6:50:15 PM6/8/12
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That said, I bought two of the large HF rubber mallets and was using
one to help seat flagstone. I ended up breaking a 2' dia. piece with
the damned thing because it was too hard. Alas! A 3# drilling hammer
and tubafore works better and is safer to move wet sand.
Swingman
Jun 8, 2012, 6:56:45 PM6/8/12
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On 6/8/2012 3:42 PM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Ahhhh so you agree about that stink.
>
> I think you were one of the people telling me that is normal tire stink...
Prove it ...
> Ahhhh so you agree about that stink.
>
> I think you were one of the people telling me that is normal tire stink...
HeyBub
Jun 8, 2012, 7:24:07 PM6/8/12
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Swingman wrote:
>
> I buy the $40 hand trucks at Sam's, immediately shitcan the pneumatic
> tires that go flat every ten minutes, and replace them with the same
> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
KILZ to the rescue!
>
> I buy the $40 hand trucks at Sam's, immediately shitcan the pneumatic
> tires that go flat every ten minutes, and replace them with the same
> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
cl...@snyder.on.ca
Jun 8, 2012, 10:31:26 PM6/8/12
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On Fri, 8 Jun 2012 18:24:07 -0500, "HeyBub" <hey...@NOSPAMgmail.com>
wrote:
Vacuum de-gas it - good reason to buy that HF Vacuum bagging kit that
you might use for veneering once sometime before you die.
wrote:
you might use for veneering once sometime before you die.
Robatoy
Jun 9, 2012, 12:22:09 AM6/9/12
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for his 'Fast & Furious' Honda Civic.
What shit. Totally unsafe garbage. Sidewalls with bulges and that
smell.
I know that they can make a reasonable tire as well, but look out for
cheap Chinese tires.
Leon
Jun 9, 2012, 5:15:08 PM6/9/12
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On 6/8/2012 12:38 PM, -MIKE- wrote:
> On 6/8/12 12:23 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 11:36 am, Swingman<k...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> , and replace them with the same
>>> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
>>> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
>>
>> Dayum I hate that smell. MUCH worse after chemo.
>
> There's stuff I can't buy there just because of that stink?
> Anyone know what it is, exactly? What causes it? (this should be fun) :-)
>
>
MSG, they use it in Chinese food too! LOL
> On 6/8/12 12:23 PM, Robatoy wrote:
>> On Jun 8, 11:36 am, Swingman<k...@nospam.com> wrote:
>> , and replace them with the same
>>> size solid tires from HF ... it only takes a year or two that outgass
>>> that obnoxious, Chinese rubber stink.
>>
>> Dayum I hate that smell. MUCH worse after chemo.
>
> There's stuff I can't buy there just because of that stink?
> Anyone know what it is, exactly? What causes it? (this should be fun) :-)
>
>
Leon
Jun 9, 2012, 5:24:33 PM6/9/12
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On 6/8/2012 10:33 AM, Swingman wrote:
> On 6/8/2012 9:18 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
>> ____Maybe that's not efficient, but I am a hobbyist, not making money at
>> it. If I were like you, I would definitely make the shortcuts you have
>> made as TIME IS MONEY.___
>
> That most definitely does change the way you approach things ...
>
Yes it does!
> On 6/8/2012 9:18 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
>
>> ____Maybe that's not efficient, but I am a hobbyist, not making money at
>> it. If I were like you, I would definitely make the shortcuts you have
>> made as TIME IS MONEY.___
>
> That most definitely does change the way you approach things ...
>
scritch
Jun 17, 2012, 11:20:14 AM6/17/12
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On 6/8/2012 3:22 AM, tiredofspam wrote:
> Leon,
>
> I bought aluminum bar clamps years ago mail order from HF.
> Like $6.99 or something. Probably 12-15 years ago.
>
> I bought the Jet brand 3 or 4 years ago.
> My Jets bend like crazy..
>
> I measured the walls of the aluminum and the HF were 20% thicker walled.
>
> Leon,
>
> I bought aluminum bar clamps years ago mail order from HF.
> Like $6.99 or something. Probably 12-15 years ago.
>
> I bought the Jet brand 3 or 4 years ago.
> My Jets bend like crazy..
>
> I measured the walls of the aluminum and the HF were 20% thicker walled.
>
> So the name brand was not upto the quality of the HF..
>
> You pick your battles with HF.. Some things are definetly on par with
> name. And some better..
>
> Again Bessey C quick release Clamps are in fact no different fact.
> Aluminum bar clamps.. HF wins over jet.
I've never had any issues with Jorgensen/Pony clamps except for the oil
>
> You pick your battles with HF.. Some things are definetly on par with
> name. And some better..
>
> Again Bessey C quick release Clamps are in fact no different fact.
> Aluminum bar clamps.. HF wins over jet.
spotting from the pads. I just don't use the pads.
You get what you pay for, mostly.
.
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