Metrication.
Josepi
measurements?
I attempted it once after a fellow woodworker convinced me he liked it
better and it was easier. I got so confused and gave up due to worrying
about wrecking my project supplies.
I admit I have been screwed many times on using a feet and inch tape
measure, like this.
- Measure fitting spot at 5'6"
- go to wood piece
- pick up other tape measure
- measure 56"
- cut wood
- fit piece into spot
- swear a lot
- remeasure spot
- wonder WTF happened?
- repeat until tape measure breaks glass in window.
Robert Allison
is far easier for me than inches/feet. I don't know why I don't use it
at home other than the fact that I would constantly have to convert in
order to purchase something for any project I am working on. Many things
now are measured in both inches/feet AND metric, so I may have to dig
out my old metric tape and have a go at it.
The other thing that keeps me from changing is the construction
calculator which will do either one, but takes a lot of the worry out of
calculations in inches/feet.
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Robert Allison
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DJ Delorie
I went to the Foreign Depot for some two-by-fours, but they were a lot
smaller than I expected...
Leon
"Josepi" <J.R.M.@greasynews.calm> wrote in message
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> Anybody ever attempt to do woodworking or carpentry using metric
> measurements?
I would think most every one out side the US and certainly in europe the
wood workers work with the metric system vs the imperial.
>
joelj...@aol.com
> Anybody ever attempt to do woodworking or carpentry using metric
> measurements?
To quote Dave Barry:
"Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless
you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet."
Josepi
calibre.
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Josepi
goods to metric to start the whole thing off.
2x4" dimensional lumber...who cares? It is already specified as metric in
code books and other documents.
The stud spacing and so many downstream items are all based on the 48 x 96"
plywood and sheet goods. Chnage those and the rest will follow.
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Larry Jaques
>I went to the Foreign Depot for some two-by-fours, but they were a lot
>smaller than I expected...
Yeah, about 1-1/2" (1-5/8" swelled, wet pressure-treated tubafores) by
3-1/2" since the Sixties.
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the more ways one has of being happy.
-- Charlotte-Catherine
Sonny
that when one looks at imperial measured stuff, they see it in
metric... and, with the same glasses, vice versa. That would save
everyone some time and headaches.
Besides, what if we can only count up to 9?
Sonny
Josepi
Metric typically uses base 10 and 0 to 9 are all the digits you need to
understand!
No more dividing by 12, or 16th of an inch. We saw you cheating a few times,
counting the 32nds after the inch line instead of multiplying it out and
adding one.
How many times have we gone to the saw, repeating out loud, "one 32nd shy
of 11/16"?
LOL
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kimosabe
metric system are the US and Myanmar (Burma).
DJ Delorie
Larry Jaques <lja...@invalid.diversify.com> writes:
> Yeah, about 1-1/2" (1-5/8" swelled, wet pressure-treated tubafores) by
> 3-1/2" since the Sixties.
For the humour-impaired, they were about 1.5 cm by 3.5 cm.
Larry W
Josepi <J.R.M.@greasynews.calm> wrote:
>Funny I was just reading about that. This is known as the .357 magnum
>calibre.
>
>
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>To quote Dave Barry:
>
>"Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless
>you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet."
>
Just to pick nits, a .357 caliber bullet actually does measure .357 inches.
A 9mm bullet is .355 inches.
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plausible, and wrong." (H L Mencken)
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Larry Jaques
Crap, that's only roughly 5/8" by 1-3/8". Not even humorous.
Robert Allison
By the way, what was so confusing about the metric system for you? Hard
to stop at 10?
RicodJour
>
> Metric typically uses base 10 {snip}
Typically? What are some of the other bases?
R
Swingman
> I have worked at a couple of chemical plants that were all metric. It is
> far easier for me than inches/feet. I don't know why I don't use it at
> home other than the fact that I would constantly have to convert in
> order to purchase something for any project I am working on. Many things
> now are measured in both inches/feet AND metric, so I may have to dig
> out my old metric tape and have a go at it.
>
> The other thing that keeps me from changing is the construction
> calculator which will do either one, but takes a lot of the worry out of
> calculations in inches/feet.
Interesting read on the subject: "Measuring America", on how
civilizations are built by systems of measurement and how strongly
political and economic factors are involved.
http://www.amazon.com/Measuring-America-United-Greatest-History/dp/0452284597
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Han
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> In article <37B8p.19036$D94....@newsfe20.iad>,
> Josepi <J.R.M.@greasynews.calm> wrote:
>> Anybody ever attempt to do woodworking or carpentry using metric
>> measurements?
>
> All the time these days
Drywall in Europe comes in 4x8ft sheets:
Directly from the website of a big box store (Gamma):
# size 122x61 or 244x122 cm.
# thickness 9-12-15-18 mm.
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Josepi
If I measured something that was fifty nine and thirteen sixteenth inches, I
could usually remember it until I got to the saw. I can envision the reading
on the tape measure.
If I measured something in metric sizes say 1519 mm, or 1.519 m, I seemed to
get two digits reversed sometimes, or forgot one digit by the time I got to
the saw. I am sure it was just lack of practice. It felt like a lot of
numerical precision and hard to carry in my head for the few seconds.
Although the old system was carrying the same number of digits (and more
formatting info) in my head it felt like it was in convenient, expected,
groups that could be more easily remembered. Then there is always just the
comfort of the system you can envision in your brain.
I am sure with more practice it would become second nature. I have to
convert foreignheat temperatures to C to think how warm they are now. That
has only been a few decades of getting comfortable with the system here.
Some still don`t feel comfortable with C temperatures due to lack of
exposure.
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Josepi
Is a 9mm bore exactly 9mm, though. I would be sure the format of the bullet
would be different, even if the bore was identical.
Not where I originally found it but...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliber
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"Larry W" wrote in message news:ijv6f8$1a2$1...@speranza.aioe.org...
Josepi
Here we use 16 inch spacing and it takes three per sheet width or multiples
for sheet length (sideways mount)
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Gerald Ross
> Anybody ever attempt to do woodworking or carpentry using metric
> measurements?
>
> I attempted it once after a fellow woodworker convinced me he liked it
> better and it was easier. I got so confused and gave up due to worrying
> about wrecking my project supplies.
Ever had a friend who stopped smoking, drinking, or eating meat? Or
started jogging, losing weight or _____(fill in blank)? Or discovered
a new religion? Remember how they bragged and nagged trying to get
you to do the same? I think everyone has a little missionary in them.
We (USA) have always used inches, pounds and gallons and are happy and
comfortable with them. Will changing to the metric system make us
happier, live longer, lose weight or sleep better? I don't think so.
Foreign manufacturers use metric and I can put up with finding a
wrench to fit, but when they start preaching to us to change the way
we live and do things I balk.
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Gerald Ross
Cochran, GA
It's hard to be serious when you're naked.
Han
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> What is done for stud spacing then.
> Here we use 16 inch spacing and it takes three per sheet width or
> multiples for sheet length (sideways mount)
You'd have ask over there - stud construction is something I wasn't
familiar with until after I got to the US. As a kid over there, there was
no such thing as studs. I remember a garage being built in the yard for
our car. It was built brick by brick. No wood or metal in the walls until
the roof/attic support.
Robatoy
> Foreign manufacturers use metric and I can put up with finding a
> wrench to fit, but when they start preaching to us to change the way
> we live and do things I balk.
Even if it makes more sense than that ancient British system, eh?
Loyalty to the Queen and all that rot, eh?
You want to stick with the speedometer reading in Furlongs Per
Fortnight, so be it. Yessiree, Bob, I guess you'll show the world
who's the smarter one, eh?
The rest of the planet will reduce errors by using a simplified metric
system.
I grew up with metric, came to Canada and switched to inches, then the
country switched to metric... by now I'm pretty well versed in either,
but I use inches in my shop, but metric on my CNC.
Gawd... some people...
Gerald Ross
Amen!
Robert Allison
It is far easier to say 151.9 centimeters.
Steve Barker
Most films (i know, i know, what's a film?) were measured in mm
8mm
16mm
35mm
70mm
120
etc.
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Mike Marlow
>
>
> It is far easier to say 151.9 centimeters.
Nah - it's easier to say 152 centimeters...
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FrozenNorth
> Robert Allison wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> It is far easier to say 151.9 centimeters.
>
> Nah - it's easier to say 152 centimeters...
>
out the board stretcher.
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Scott
"Josepi" <J.R.M.@greasynews.calm> wrote in message
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> snip <
...
> I admit I have been screwed many times on using a feet and inch tape
> measure, like this.
> - Measure fitting spot at 5'6"
> - go to wood piece
> - pick up other tape measure
> - measure 56"
> - cut wood
> - fit piece into spot
> - swear a lot
> - remeasure spot
> - wonder WTF happened?
> - repeat until tape measure breaks glass in window.
>
Embarassingly that just happened to me over the weekend (except for the
dramatic ending) while using two different tapes, one marked largely with
feet, one not. Measured for two notches spaced 5' 3 1/4" from one end on a
12' long 1x10. Rough cut the notches at 53 1/4". I went to dry fit it for
fine tuning and was astonished I got THAT far off. Consistently 10" too
short. I replaced the board, destroyed the evidence and wasn't going to
tell anyone. Then I read this!
Thanks!
Scott
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*snip*
> Foreign manufacturers use metric and I can put up with finding a
> wrench to fit, but when they start preaching to us to change the way
> we live and do things I balk.
If a device is all metric or all standard, no problem. I can work in
either system, but if the device is split between the two systems the
annoyance levels go way up. Why should I have to have both my 12mm and
1/2" wrenches out when trying to put something together? They're almost
the same size, might as well make them one or the other.
Puckdropper
Doug Miller
>If a device is all metric or all standard, no problem. I can work in
>either system, but if the device is split between the two systems the
>annoyance levels go way up. Why should I have to have both my 12mm and
>1/2" wrenches out when trying to put something together? They're almost
>the same size, might as well make them one or the other.
Been There and Done That. I owned four GM vehicles that were made between 1978
and 1986, and all four of them had a mix of metric and SAE fasteners. It
cranked up my blood pressure every time I had to make a repair on one of them
-- never knew which socket set I was going to need. But my son's 96 Firebird
is all metric. Thank goodness.
Robert Allison
When that happens I just grab 2 crescents; my 12" and my 304 mm and I am
ready for either one.
Father Haskell
> Anybody ever attempt to do woodworking or carpentry using metric
> measurements?
>
> better and it was easier. I got so confused and gave up due to worrying
> about wrecking my project supplies.
>
> measure, like this.
> - Measure fitting spot at 5'6"
> - go to wood piece
> - pick up other tape measure
> - measure 56"
> - cut wood
> - fit piece into spot
> - swear a lot
> - remeasure spot
> - wonder WTF happened?
> - repeat until tape measure breaks glass in window.
That's why carpenters always read off their tapes in inches,
never feet and inches.
Morgans
"Doug Miller" <spam...@milmac.com> wrote
>
> Been There and Done That. I owned four GM vehicles that were made between
> 1978
> and 1986, and all four of them had a mix of metric and SAE fasteners. It
> cranked up my blood pressure every time I had to make a repair on one of
> them
> -- never knew which socket set I was going to need. But my son's 96
> Firebird
> is all metric. Thank goodness.
Yep. I found that if a part bolted into the engine block, it was SAE. If
it was an accessory or body bolt, it was metric. That was a full sized 87
Chevy van.
I recently got a 06, but have not done much wrench turning yet. New engine
design, so probably metric. I hope it is all metric, like you said.
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Jim in NC
Morgans
"Scott" <nos...@vool.con> wrote>
> Embarassingly that just happened to me over the weekend (except for the
> dramatic ending) while using two different tapes, one marked largely with
> feet, one not. Measured for two notches spaced 5' 3 1/4" from one end on
> a 12' long 1x10. Rough cut the notches at 53 1/4". I went to dry fit it
> for fine tuning and was astonished I got THAT far off. Consistently 10"
> too short. I replaced the board, destroyed the evidence and wasn't going
> to tell anyone. Then I read this!
The other common mistake for me and students is to measure with the tape
right side up, the measure upside down, and count the fraction on the wrong
side of the inch mark.
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Jim in NC
Puckdropper at dot
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I've made that error before! I wonder if alternating the background
color would help avoid it. Odd inches would be in one color (orange?)
and even inches would be in a different color (yellow?).
Why don't we ever seem to cut the piece 1" too long?
Puckdropper
Doug Miller
I'd expect so. I'm not sure when GM finally went all-metric, but evidently it
was sometime between '86 and '96. We had a '96 Roadmaster before my other son
wrecked it. Replacement was a '96 Saturn. A few years later, we bought another
Saturn, a '99. My FIL has a '97 LeSabre that I do the maintenance on. All four
of these cars are all-metric, just like my son's '96 Firebird -- so I have a
hard time imagining that anything newer has gone back to SAE fasteners.
Andrew Barss
: On Feb 22, 9:09 am, Gerald Ross <gw...@comsouth.net> wrote:
:> Foreign manufacturers use metric and I can put up with finding a
:> wrench to fit, but when they start preaching to us to change the way
:> we live and do things I balk.
: Even if it makes more sense than that ancient British system, eh?
Yeah, but it doesn't.
: The rest of the planet will reduce errors by using a simplified metric
: system.
Do you have any citations on error rates to back that up?
-- Andy Barss
Josepi
in the garbage. Now if I didn't have a tape measure I would have to find one
somewhere or buy a few more but I wasn't going to waste wood as often with
that mistake, again. Went on for years until I had enough, one day....LOL
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On Feb 22, 9:09 am, Gerald Ross <gw...@comsouth.net> wrote:
> Foreign manufacturers use metric and I can put up with finding a
> wrench to fit, but when they start preaching to us to change the way
> we live and do things I balk.
>Even if it makes more sense than that ancient British system, eh?
It makes more sense only when learning it. After it is learned, there is no
difference other than preference.
>You want to stick with the speedometer reading in Furlongs Per
>Fortnight,
I have never seen own so marked. Do you have an exaple you can show?
>The rest of the planet will reduce errors by using a simplified metric
>system.
How so?
> I use inches in my shop, but metric on my CNC.
I use inches for both.
Robatoy
> "Robatoy" <counterfit...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
>
> >You want to stick with the speedometer reading in Furlongs Per
> >Fortnight,
>
> I have never seen own so marked. Do you have an exaple you can show?
>
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