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Ty Ford
Dec 24, 2011, 5:42:36 PM12/24/11
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Hi,
And Merry Xmas Eve to all,
As I move forward and start using Blu-ray for archiving audio and video
projects, does anyone have any info on what blanks to use ort stay away from
I've been using Taiyo Yuden for CDs because of the overwhelming anecdotal
info that they are better and suffer fewer coasters. That's been my
experience as well.
Thanks,
Ty Ford
--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA
And Merry Xmas Eve to all,
As I move forward and start using Blu-ray for archiving audio and video
projects, does anyone have any info on what blanks to use ort stay away from
I've been using Taiyo Yuden for CDs because of the overwhelming anecdotal
info that they are better and suffer fewer coasters. That's been my
experience as well.
Thanks,
Ty Ford
--Audio Equipment Reviews Audio Production Services
Acting and Voiceover Demos http://www.tyford.com
Guitar player?:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWaPRHMGhGA
ushere
Dec 24, 2011, 6:19:30 PM12/24/11
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curious that you're using blu-ray though. why not external hd's?
i only ask since i've been using small capacity usb 2 external drives (
per project, cost is minimal) for years without a single incident. on
the other hand not only have i found some old(er) cd / dvd's error
prone, but incredibly slow to load anything but small projects....
Trevor
Dec 25, 2011, 3:26:16 AM12/25/11
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"ushere" <removethis.lesl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> curious that you're using blu-ray though. why not external hd's?
> i only ask since i've been using small capacity usb 2 external drives (
> per project, cost is minimal) for years without a single incident. on the
> other hand not only have i found some old(er) cd / dvd's error prone, but
> incredibly slow to load anything but small projects....
And given the tighter tolerances required for Blu-Ray, I doubt they would be
> i only ask since i've been using small capacity usb 2 external drives (
> per project, cost is minimal) for years without a single incident. on the
> other hand not only have i found some old(er) cd / dvd's error prone, but
> incredibly slow to load anything but small projects....
any better at long term storage without error. I do however keep my backups
on both Hard Disk and DVD in the hope at least one will last. Given the
current cost of BluRay disks, I haven't been tempted to go to HD and BluRay
just yet.
Trevor.
Ty Ford
Dec 25, 2011, 10:01:31 AM12/25/11
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2011 18:19:30 -0500, ushere wrote
(in article <76tJq.789$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>):
economy of space and having had issues with mechanical hard drives. I had one
that wasn't more than several years old and not used for much but backup that
I had to coax into mounting (click, click, click) by unplugging it, powering
it down and smacking it soundly before reconnecting and powering it back up.
Regards,
(in article <76tJq.789$%E2....@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>):
that wasn't more than several years old and not used for much but backup that
I had to coax into mounting (click, click, click) by unplugging it, powering
it down and smacking it soundly before reconnecting and powering it back up.
Regards,
Arny Krueger
Dec 25, 2011, 12:38:50 PM12/25/11
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"Ty Ford" <tyre...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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> economy of space and having had issues with mechanical hard drives. I had
> one
> that wasn't more than several years old and not used for much but backup
> that
> I had to coax into mounting (click, click, click) by unplugging it,
> powering
> it down and smacking it soundly before reconnecting and powering it back
> up.
Makes the point that hard drives, both old and new are prone to fail on the
shelf.
IME optical media does well in the proverbial cool, dry, dark place.
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> economy of space and having had issues with mechanical hard drives. I had
> one
> that wasn't more than several years old and not used for much but backup
> that
> I had to coax into mounting (click, click, click) by unplugging it,
> powering
> it down and smacking it soundly before reconnecting and powering it back
> up.
shelf.
IME optical media does well in the proverbial cool, dry, dark place.
Charles Tomaras
Dec 25, 2011, 1:31:24 PM12/25/11
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"Arny Krueger" <ar...@cocmast.net> wrote in message
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particularly robust in field use. Of course the Sony cameras that use it
have a cartridge loading disc but they are down to about $15 a disc. Wonder
if there are affordable computer drives for those discs. Many local
television stations with news departments reuse these discs over and over
week after week and they have proven robust. Don't know what archival shelf
life is like? Might be worth examining.
Steve King
Dec 25, 2011, 1:44:40 PM12/25/11
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Steve King
Charles Tomaras
Dec 25, 2011, 2:40:05 PM12/25/11
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"Steve King" <steveSP...@stevekingSPAMBLOCK.net> wrote in message
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the last 15 or so years and decided to try to mount them all and make sure
there was nothing of value on them as they all had sharpie markings with
stuff like OLD C Drive from Win 98SE machine with a date. So it was a walk
down memory lane of 10GB, 20GB hard drives of various flavors for the old
days. Some of them spun up, some of them clicked etc. I tried freezing and
thawing, hittling, slapping, dropping and various other flavors of anecdotal
drive saviour and not a one of the drives that wouldn't spin up would ever
spin up.
Trevor
Dec 25, 2011, 5:38:45 PM12/25/11
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>> IME optical media does well in the proverbial cool, dry, dark place.
IME a lot still fail, but often due to the fact that discs probably had a
high error rate to begin with. You have to be certain the discs you are
storing are not only good quality, but your drive is writing to them near
perfectly. Once you have a good drive/disc combination, you still need to
check it on a regular basis at least. I'm amazed how many people have never
done it, and assume just because a disk is readable all is fine.
However I do not think storing hard drives is any guarantee either, having
both gives you a better chance IMO.
Trevor.
Trevor
Dec 25, 2011, 5:56:32 PM12/25/11
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"Charles Tomaras" <tom...@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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> I recently went through my big box of hard drives I've been collecting
> over the last 15 or so years and decided to try to mount them all and make
> sure there was nothing of value on them as they all had sharpie markings
> with stuff like OLD C Drive from Win 98SE machine with a date. So it was a
> walk down memory lane of 10GB, 20GB hard drives of various flavors for the
> old days. Some of them spun up, some of them clicked etc. I tried freezing
> and thawing, hittling, slapping, dropping and various other flavors of
> anecdotal drive saviour and not a one of the drives that wouldn't spin up
> would ever spin up.
Common problem unfortunately, yet I have a 20 year old drive still working
> over the last 15 or so years and decided to try to mount them all and make
> sure there was nothing of value on them as they all had sharpie markings
> with stuff like OLD C Drive from Win 98SE machine with a date. So it was a
> walk down memory lane of 10GB, 20GB hard drives of various flavors for the
> old days. Some of them spun up, some of them clicked etc. I tried freezing
> and thawing, hittling, slapping, dropping and various other flavors of
> anecdotal drive saviour and not a one of the drives that wouldn't spin up
> would ever spin up.
fine in a box used nearly every day. The mechanical parts, and even some of
the electronics like capacitors, like to be powered up now and then, not
left on a shelf indefinitely.
Trevor.
Arny Krueger
Dec 26, 2011, 8:07:15 AM12/26/11
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"Trevor" <tre...@home.net> wrote in message
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siestas in those proverbial cool, dry, dark places. I don't think I've ever
had a pressed CD fail to read. CD-Rs have been a little dicey, but the
failing discs were not stored properly. I also had a few dozen CD-Rs that
were never burned fail in storage, but again they were stored casually.
Arny Krueger
Dec 26, 2011, 8:09:33 AM12/26/11
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"Steve King" <steveSP...@stevekingSPAMBLOCK.net> wrote in message
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>
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>
> Did you smack it on the top or on the side;-)
I've love-patted and burped any number of hard drives into their last
productive session. I start out with patting on the sides and then go to the
top if that doesn't work. Also temperature cycling, first warming naturally
to above room temperature and then a trip through the freezer.
Arny Krueger
Dec 26, 2011, 8:12:20 AM12/26/11
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> I recently went through my big box of hard drives I've been collecting
> over the last 15 or so years and decided to try to mount them all and make
> sure there was nothing of value on them as they all had sharpie markings
> with stuff like OLD C Drive from Win 98SE machine with a date. So it was a
> walk down memory lane of 10GB, 20GB hard drives of various flavors for the
> old days. Some of them spun up, some of them clicked etc. I tried freezing
> and thawing, hittling, slapping, dropping and various other flavors of
> anecdotal drive saviour and not a one of the drives that wouldn't spin up
> would ever spin up.
I have been on similar fishing expeditions, but had a little better luck.
> over the last 15 or so years and decided to try to mount them all and make
> sure there was nothing of value on them as they all had sharpie markings
> with stuff like OLD C Drive from Win 98SE machine with a date. So it was a
> walk down memory lane of 10GB, 20GB hard drives of various flavors for the
> old days. Some of them spun up, some of them clicked etc. I tried freezing
> and thawing, hittling, slapping, dropping and various other flavors of
> anecdotal drive saviour and not a one of the drives that wouldn't spin up
> would ever spin up.
I think we agree on the general truth being that you *can't depend on hard
drives* to *not* fail while powered-down on the shelf. I've seen optical
drives pull the same irritating stunt.
The good news is that if an optical drive fails, you can still play the
media some place else.
J. Clarke
Dec 26, 2011, 9:33:07 AM12/26/11
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In article <K_idnb61TtuE72XT...@giganews.com>,
ar...@cocmast.net says...
Have you tried rotating the enclosur sharply about the spindle axis?
That works in a surprising number of cases.
ar...@cocmast.net says...
That works in a surprising number of cases.
mcp6453
Dec 26, 2011, 10:19:26 AM12/26/11
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them, so I'll give this technique a test. By the way, if you decide to trash a
drive, open it up and remove the gigantic magnet. It is a FABULOUS magnet for a
variety of uses.
Arny Krueger
Dec 26, 2011, 10:15:28 AM12/26/11
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"J. Clarke" <jclark...@cox.net> wrote in message
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even though I'm a little dubious about it. Time will tell! ;-)
Ty Ford
Dec 26, 2011, 1:33:15 PM12/26/11
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 13:44:40 -0500, Steve King wrote
(in article <jd7qu7$fr8$1...@news.albasani.net>):
I'm certain that's proprietary information.
Smacking the box: N/C
Knowing where to smack the box: $!
:)
Season's Best,
(in article <jd7qu7$fr8$1...@news.albasani.net>):
>
>> economy of space and having had issues with mechanical hard drives. I had
>> one
>> that wasn't more than several years old and not used for much but backup
>> that
>> I had to coax into mounting (click, click, click) by unplugging it,
>> powering
>> it down and smacking it soundly before reconnecting and powering it back
>> up.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ty Ford
>
> Did you smack it on the top or on the side;-)
>
> Steve King
Steve,
>> economy of space and having had issues with mechanical hard drives. I had
>> one
>> that wasn't more than several years old and not used for much but backup
>> that
>> I had to coax into mounting (click, click, click) by unplugging it,
>> powering
>> it down and smacking it soundly before reconnecting and powering it back
>> up.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ty Ford
>
> Did you smack it on the top or on the side;-)
>
> Steve King
I'm certain that's proprietary information.
Smacking the box: N/C
Knowing where to smack the box: $!
:)
Season's Best,
Trevor
Dec 26, 2011, 11:43:56 PM12/26/11
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two ago. Things seem to have improved in the pressing plants since then.
>CD-Rs have been a little dicey, but the failing discs were not stored
>properly.
Nope, seen many cheap discs written on cheap drives that were once readable,
stored properly (well dark storage, never used at all, no severe humidity or
temperatures), and are now quite useless unfortunately.
(not difficult to find pristine unreadable Princo disks for a start) :-(
However my good quality discs that were burned on a good drive and tested
for low error rates, still seem to be fine after 2 decades.
Trevor.
> IME failing CDs have all been mistreated and somehow missed out on their
> siestas in those proverbial cool, dry, dark places. I don't think I've
> ever had a pressed CD fail to read.
I've had a few that failed to read properly from new, especially a decade or
> siestas in those proverbial cool, dry, dark places. I don't think I've
> ever had a pressed CD fail to read.
two ago. Things seem to have improved in the pressing plants since then.
>CD-Rs have been a little dicey, but the failing discs were not stored
>properly.
stored properly (well dark storage, never used at all, no severe humidity or
temperatures), and are now quite useless unfortunately.
(not difficult to find pristine unreadable Princo disks for a start) :-(
However my good quality discs that were burned on a good drive and tested
for low error rates, still seem to be fine after 2 decades.
Trevor.
Trevor
Dec 26, 2011, 11:50:35 PM12/26/11
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using a friction coupling of sorts to actually spin the platters before
powering up when possible.
Of course when all else fails, just pull them apart, clean, and lubricate.
You may not have a clean room, but when you have nothing left to lose...
Trevor.
> "J. Clarke" <jclark...@cox.net> wrote in message
>> Have you tried rotating the enclosur sharply about the spindle axis?
>> That works in a surprising number of cases.
>
> No, but I will the next time my love pats don't work. Thanks for the tip
> even though I'm a little dubious about it. Time will tell! ;-)
Some drives have visible spindle ends, I imagine you'd have even more luck
>> That works in a surprising number of cases.
>
> No, but I will the next time my love pats don't work. Thanks for the tip
> even though I'm a little dubious about it. Time will tell! ;-)
using a friction coupling of sorts to actually spin the platters before
powering up when possible.
Of course when all else fails, just pull them apart, clean, and lubricate.
You may not have a clean room, but when you have nothing left to lose...
Trevor.
Neil Gould
Dec 27, 2011, 8:47:54 AM12/27/11
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life of the disc can be shortened by improper storage, that isn't the only
issue. CD-Rs (DVD-Rs, etc.) depend on the contrast of the dyes to discern
between pits and peaks, and dyes have both light and dark fading
characteristics.
This article provides an easy-to-read overview of the issues:
http://www.rense.com/general52/themythofthe100year.htm
--
Neil
GMAN
Dec 29, 2011, 11:13:56 AM12/29/11
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running on my old Atari ST systems, They are over 25 years old.
Peter Larsen
Jan 21, 2012, 11:20:51 AM1/21/12
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Ty Ford wrote:
> economy of space and having had issues with mechanical hard drives. I
> had one that wasn't more than several years old and not used for much
> but backup that I had to coax into mounting (click, click, click) by
> unplugging it, powering it down and smacking it soundly before
> reconnecting and powering it back up.
harddisks need an occasional spin up - partly to relubricate and partly to
> economy of space and having had issues with mechanical hard drives. I
> had one that wasn't more than several years old and not used for much
> but backup that I had to coax into mounting (click, click, click) by
> unplugging it, powering it down and smacking it soundly before
> reconnecting and powering it back up.
reform mobo capacitors.
> Ty Ford
Kind regards
Peter Larsen
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