HDTV for home studio?
fallai
the computer and software tools, I'm adding an EX-1 for shooting and
some routing to send the video to an HDTV from my editing setup.
I'm looking for a decent 42" HDTV unit which is suitable to
professional use as far as viewing footage, motion graphics and edited
programs. If I were only buying for home viewing, I'd probably get a
Samsung. Just wondering if there are any models which are particularly
suited to professional use? Perhaps because of the color quality, fine
control over the picture, or inputs???
Vic
My son has a 26" Samsung that looks great. $350 ????
At a distance of 24" it is easily large enough
A/V, coax, HDMI, HD tuner for off-air
fallai
Samsung as far as value for the money.
I'm glad your son likes it... just wondering if it is suitable for
professional use.
OK now here's another twist, someone gave me the idea to get something
smaller and actually run it side-by-side with my primary computer
monitor, an HP LP2475W. That way when I color-correct, I can slide the
window back and forth between monitors to compare my color-calibrated
LCD monitor with a good-quality 'true' HDTV monitor. So the 26" you
mention might be a good option though I'd like to match the size of my
24" monitor.
Recommendations? For my original request or this latter one? Thx in adv
David Ruether
"fallai" <ryn...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1578909a-b77c-4c1a...@l11g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
I've found that if you look casually at many "good" 1080p HDTVs, they look
more alike than different (excepting the occasional one with off-color balance),
regardless of specs. BUT! If you look carefully, they do vary in important ways.
Some have uneven illumination (and I was surprised to see very noticeable
illumination roll-off in the outer two inches of a Sharp LED-illuminated Aquos),
and if using the TV as a monitor, it must have defeatable auto corrections,
especially for dark tones. If you look critically at white text on black background,
you will see many flaws (a ringing "halo", stairstepping, ghosting, smearing, etc.
[I've seen only one TV that is free of all these, mine, but........;-]). Look for skin
color without "hints of "lobster" or green. BTW, I've never been happy with the
adequacy of viewing HD even on a good 24" 1920 LCD computer monitor.
--DR
Vic
>actually, I was asking about a 42" unit. I'm pretty much sold on
>Samsung as far as value for the money.
>
>I'm glad your son likes it... just wondering if it is suitable for
>professional use.
>
>
>Recommendations? For my original request or this latter one? Thx in adv
Guess I should have gone deeper.
Unless you have a compelling reason for the 42" such as viewing distance the 26"
is great. At 24" the screen is almost overwhelming.
Easy to see, great color. I have a copy of Vegas on his PC and use it to edit
various projects, non-financial.
He has a 21" next to and uses a program called UltraMon that makes it easy to
re-arrange screens and programs
W
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I don't have a solution for you (I am currently looking for a replacement
HDTV 42" myself), but I can tell you some things to watch for:
1) We started out with the Westinghouse LVM-42W2 monitor, which does
1920x1080p. Unfortunately, we found out the entire Westinghouse LVM
product family suffers from a fatal flaw: when you switch a video source
from 1080i to 1080P, the monitor loses synchronization and goes crazy. You
have to power off and back on, and even then sometimes that won't reset the
image.
2) Given your objective is higher end videography, you should probably look
for a monitor that supports 1080P at 24Hz. Some movies are recorded at 24
Hz, which gives a more fluid motion in action sequences. Most DVD players
will play that back at 60Hz. If you have a DVD that supports 24Hz playback
and your DVD player supports it, and the monitor supports it (all three have
to support the standard), then you will get a much more fluid motion playing
back video sequences. I have no idea if common video editing applications
will support that standard, but probably you should look for a monitor that
supports 24Hz playback just to give yourself options to experiment with
that.
If someone would like to recommend specific manufacturers and product
families that support:
1) high quality images
2) 1920x1080p native resolution
3) excellent ability to switch 1080i to 1080p based on switching the video
source to the monitor on a single uplink (as when the video sources go
through a common receiver)
4) support of 1080P24 standard
we would appreciate the recommendations.
--
W
David Ruether
"W" <persis...@spamarrest.com> wrote in message
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> "fallai" <ryn...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1578909a-b77c-4c1a...@l11g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
>> Hello all. I have a home studio which I'm upgrading to HDTV - I've got
>> the computer and software tools, I'm adding an EX-1 for shooting and
>> some routing to send the video to an HDTV from my editing setup.
>>
>> I'm looking for a decent 42" HDTV unit which is suitable to
>> professional use as far as viewing footage, motion graphics and edited
>> programs. If I were only buying for home viewing, I'd probably get a
>> Samsung. Just wondering if there are any models which are particularly
>> suited to professional use? Perhaps because of the color quality, fine
>> control over the picture, or inputs???
> I don't have a solution for you (I am currently looking for a replacement
> HDTV 42" myself), but I can tell you some things to watch for:
>
> 1) We started out with the Westinghouse LVM-42W2 monitor, which does
> 1920x1080p. Unfortunately, we found out the entire Westinghouse LVM
> product family suffers from a fatal flaw: when you switch a video source
> from 1080i to 1080P, the monitor loses synchronization and goes crazy. You
> have to power off and back on, and even then sometimes that won't reset the
> image.
Hmmmm.... We have the same 42", and it is truly excellent, once one
adjusts *everything* to optimize the picture (the factory settings are
WAY off...), and once one realizes that the picture is sharper than most,
but only when viewed on axis (best from about 6.5'), where the color
and picture brilliance are also optimized (the vertical viewing angle is
very limited, but good horizontal viewing extends to one couch cushion
on either side of the optimal center position - and the payoff for this is
that sharper-than-usual picture, at least when viewed from the center
couch cushion...;-), and the room lighting level must be adjusted to
optimize the blacks... An early discovery for us was that this TV had
no 1080p on the HDMI input(!) - one must use the DVI input for
connecting a Blu-ray player (which puts out 1080p) and the HDMI
input for the cable box (which puts out 1080i, never 1080p), unless in
a slightly later version, they attempted to "correct" this, causing
problems (we never see the synchronization problems you report on
our LVM-42W2 or on our Westinghouse 32" 720p (which also accepts
different resolutions without problems). BTW, for our *particular*
LVM-42W2, these are the settings I preferred for both HDMI and DVI
inputs -- Brightness - 39, Contrast - 80, Saturation - 46, Hue - -3,
Color temp. - Neutral, Sharpness - 8, Backlight - 0. The picture is
excellent in every way (and I'm a nut about this - visiting BB or Sears
brings out the worst in me as I point out the deficiencies of what is on
display...;-). Also btw, there is no auto dark-tone, so this TV can be
used as a monitor - and it has no tuner, so it must be used as a monitor.
> 2) Given your objective is higher end videography, you should probably look
> for a monitor that supports 1080P at 24Hz. Some movies are recorded at 24
> Hz, which gives a more fluid motion in action sequences. Most DVD players
> will play that back at 60Hz. If you have a DVD that supports 24Hz playback
> and your DVD player supports it, and the monitor supports it (all three have
> to support the standard), then you will get a much more fluid motion playing
> back video sequences. I have no idea if common video editing applications
> will support that standard, but probably you should look for a monitor that
> supports 24Hz playback just to give yourself options to experiment with
> that.
Many TVs will convert normal material to 24Pif it was shot that way,
with varying degrees of success - but I have ALWAYS been mystified
by the desire to use such a deficient frame rate. It results in "judder"
and other undesirable artifacts, like wheels spinning backwards, and it
was the bane of movie cameramen who were essentially forced to pan
in one direction only and as slowly as possible to attempt to minimize
the ill effects. If one could shoot and view in 240 fps *interlaced*, one
would get a MUCH smoother picture with motion than shooting at
24p, which is simply a remnant of the bad old days of motion shooting.
> If someone would like to recommend specific manufacturers and product
> families that support:
>
> 1) high quality images
> 2) 1920x1080p native resolution
> 3) excellent ability to switch 1080i to 1080p based on switching the video
> source to the monitor on a single uplink (as when the video sources go
> through a common receiver)
> 4) support of 1080P24 standard
>
> we would appreciate the recommendations.
> --
> W
Well, the Westinghouse LVM-42W2 satisfies "1" (with adjustments of
the picture controls), "2" (with DVI used for 1080p, HDMI for 1080i),
"3", and also "4" (but consider the inherent deficiencies of this frame rate,
but movies shot in 24fps film on both standard commercial DVDs and
on Blu-ray still look VERY good on this TV...). VHS looks "sloppy",
though (it looks much better on the 32" viewed at 10'), but I use these
settings for the AV input of the 42" - Br. 40, Con. 53, Sat. 58, Hue 4,
C.T. Normal, Sh. 6, Back. 0. Blu-ray and upsampled SD DVDs look
surprisingly close, but VHS is a VERY distant 3rd. On the much inferior
Westinghouse 32" (even with all three color adjustments available, I
cannot get the color and contrast accuracy and consistency across
various inputs and sources of the 32" that the 42" has), but it is adequate
for a little-used bedroom TV, and VHS does look surprisingly good on
it - and its built-in sound is adequate (I use a second sound system with
the 42" to get excellent sound since its built-in sound is terrible).
--DR
W
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By your own description, you put different inputs on different connectors,
so how could you see the problem I am reporting? The problem with
synchronization is happening when a *single input* changes from 1080i to
1080P.
We have a LVM-37 in another room attached by DVI1 to a Windows XP computer
runnning native 1080P, and we exactly duplicate this synchronization issue
just by booting the PC alone. The screen goes crazy as soon as the Windows
XP initial full resolution screen presents. Turning the monitor off and on
corrects this.
I can also duplicate this problem on either monitor by going into our high
end Blu-Ray player and changing the video output from 1080i to 1080P.
About six times out of 10, that will fry the screen and going back to 1080i
the image corrects.
I'm very happy with picture quality on the Westinghouse. I'm very annoyed
I cannot get synchronization to work.
--
W
David Ruether
Dunno...
It would seem that if synchronization works by switching inputs on that
TV (using DVI for 1080p and HDMI for 1080i [the HDMI input on
this TV doesn't display 1080p anyway...]), that this is an easy solution,
and it is the one we use... With the 37", why not turn the TV on after
the computer has booted? BTW, the audio from all sources in our
setup goes to a switcher (with passive volume control for use with
things that have no built-in volume controls, like the Blu-ray player
and VHS deck - but I suppose an AV receiver would also work),
before going to the power amp (the built-in sound quality of the
LVM-42W2 is, uh, "less than stellar", unlike its picture...).
--DR