WMA vs. WMV -- Where is the visual equivalent?
Radium
Why isn't there any video equivalent for WMA?
WMV clearly isn't the visual equivalent of WMA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio
File extension: .wma
MIME type: audio/x-ms-wma
Uniform Type: com.microsoft.windows-
Identifier: media-wma
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Video
I have been frustratingly looking for a video equivalent of WMA! There
is none! The so-called "Windows Media Video" seems to use MPEG, AVI,
ASF and other totally non-interesting s--t which I f--king hate!
Windows Media Audio, OTOH, uses its own compression codec which is
simply "Windows Media Audio". I like the artifacts that occur in WMA
audio with a CBR low-bit rate [no more than 20kbps], high sample rate
[at least 44,100 Hz], and monoaural. I would like to see what the video
equivalent looks like. It is so immeasureably interesting to me what it
would look like. I am immeasureably disappointed and upset to find that
a *real* WMV compression format does not
exist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I also hate the audio quality of all formats other than monoaural
linear PCM [with at least 44.1 khz sample rate and at least 16-bit
resolution] and monoaural WMA CBR [with a sample rate of identical to
what the audio was in linear PCM before converting to WMA]. I hate the
artifacts present in MP3s.
I also dislike the video quality of any format other than linear PCM
video [with at least 32-bit color resolution, at least 10,920x10,080
pixel progressive [non-interlaced] picture resolution, with a
horizontal sample rate of at least 15,734 kHz, a vertical sample rate
of at least 60 khz, and a color sample rate of at least 3,579,545 MHz]
and **real** constant-bit-rate WMV video [whose sampling rates, and
picture resolution are identical to what the video was in linear PCM
before converting to *real* WMV]
Here is what I want [i.e. my *real* WMV video]:
File extension: .wmv
MIME type: video/x-ms-wmv
Uniform Type: com.microsoft.windows-
Identifier: media-wmv
I would like to see the above "real" WMV video. The file should be at
least an hour in length, only 1-bit in file size, with a horizontal
sample rate of at least 15,734 kHz, a vertical sample rate of at least
60 khz, and a color sample rate of at least 3,579,545 MHz [NTSC's color
subcarrier frequency is 3.579545 MHz]. The picture resolution should be
at least 10,920x10,080 pixel progressive [non-interlaced]. The color
resolution should be compressed via my *real* WMV codec. Once an hour
of encoding is complete the color resolution should be compressed
enough to decrease the file size to only 1-bit CBR!
My *real* WMV codec has the capability of lossless compression and CBR.
EXTREMELY IMPORTANT: Before any of the above compression is performed.
The video would have to be recorded linear PCM using a video camera. I
would like the linear PCM to be at least 32-bit color resolution, at
least 10,920x10,080 pixel progressive [non-interlaced] picture
resolution,
with a horizontal sample rate of at least 15,734 kHz, a vertical sample
rate of at least 60 khz, and a color sample rate of at least 3,579,545
MHz. Once an hour of this linear PCM video has been recorded, then it
should be converted to the *real* loseless WMV whose color resolution,
picture resolution and sampling rates are the same as the linear PCM
video. After this, the WMV's color resolution should then be compressed
via CBR until the file size is only 1-bit. The samples rates, and
picture resolution should not at all be decreased. The file should
still be 1 hour long.
Thanks,
Radium
P.S. by "Real WMV", I am referring to is the exact video-equivalent of
WMA. Sadly for me, this real-WMV does not exist and will not exist
unless I make it myself -- which is a task that I have inadequate time,
money, patience, and energy for.
Galen
Radium had this to say:
My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
> Hi:
Hi. I snipped out the rest. 90% of it was above my head. Way over my head.
So I'm just gonna chime in and point and say - "Yeah! What he said."
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Quanta
"Galen" <gale...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In news:1160865301.2...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
> Radium had this to say:
>
> My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
>
>> Hi:
>
> Hi. I snipped out the rest. 90% of it was above my head. Way over my head.
> So I'm just gonna chime in and point and say - "Yeah! What he said."
That is dangerous to do.
Although he knows the acronyms, the content is pure BS jibberish.
Radium
Quanta wrote:
> "Galen" <gale...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ONv0SM%237GH...@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl...
> > In news:1160865301.2...@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
> > Radium had this to say:
> >
> > My reply is at the bottom of your sent message:
> >
> >> Hi:
> >
> > Hi. I snipped out the rest. 90% of it was above my head. Way over my head.
> > So I'm just gonna chime in and point and say - "Yeah! What he said."
>
>
> That is dangerous to do.
How is it dangerous?
> Although he knows the acronyms, the content is pure BS jibberish.
How is it BS?
Richard Crowley
>
> Quanta wrote:
>> "Galen" wrote ...
>> > Hi. I snipped out the rest. 90% of it was above my head. Way over
>> > my head.
>> > So I'm just gonna chime in and point and say - "Yeah! What he
>> > said."
>> That is dangerous to do.
>
> How is it dangerous?
Some innocent reader may come along and actually
think you have a clue what you are saying.
>> Although he knows the acronyms, the content is pure BS jibberish.
>
> How is it BS?
You wrote: "The so-called "Windows Media Video"
seems to use MPEG, AVI, ASF and other totally non-
interesting s--t which I f--king hate!"
The fact is that WMV is NOT MPEG, it is NOT AVI,
it is NOT ASF, and I neither know nor care what else
you hate.
You also wrote: "real-WMV does not exist and will
not exist unless I make it myself"
Your humility exceeds your knowledge of Microsoft
Windows Media products & codecs.
Radium
Richard Crowley wrote:
> Some innocent reader may come along and actually
> think you have a clue what you are saying.
LOL
> You wrote: "The so-called "Windows Media Video"
> seems to use MPEG, AVI, ASF and other totally non-
> interesting s--t which I f--king hate!"
Okay.
> The fact is that WMV is NOT MPEG, it is NOT AVI,
> it is NOT ASF, and I neither know nor care what else
> you hate.
Then what exactly is WMV? Please show how WMV is -- in any way -- the
video equivalent of WMA?
Also please explain why the following video format [i.e. the "real"
WMV] does not exist:
File extension: .wmv
MIME type: video/x-ms-wmv
Uniform Type: com.microsoft.windows-
Identifier: media-wmv
> You also wrote: "real-WMV does not exist and will
> not exist unless I make it myself"
Okay.
> Your humility exceeds your knowledge of Microsoft
> Windows Media products & codecs.
Check the Wikipedia links and you'll know how WMV is really not WMV.
zachd [ms]
You're confused. Wikipedia is accurate, you're just misreading it. I'll go
off and try to clarify it some. Wikipedia is useful reference, but reading
up or researching the field should have quickly shown you the correct
information.
File formats: .wmv already exists. It's the exact video analogue to .wma.
Codecs: WMV already exists. It's the exact video analogue to WMA.
As regards the further digressions (as re: Richard's comment), .asf is
actually a superset of .wmv and .wma . .wmv is really a superset of .wma,
at that.
Windows Media Encoder, Windows Movie Maker, Adobe with various plug-ins, etc
etc etc etc all can produce .wmv or .wma for you. Have fun.
I'm going to ignore further massive cross-postings combined with really
weird speculation/requests, but: the basic information above should
straighten you out.
-Zach
--
Windows Media Development Team (speaking for myself only)
See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
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Radium
zachd [ms] wrote:
> You're confused. Wikipedia is accurate, you're just misreading it. I'll go
> off and try to clarify it some. Wikipedia is useful reference, but reading
> up or researching the field should have quickly shown you the correct
> information.
>
> File formats: .wmv already exists. It's the exact video analogue to .wma.
> Codecs: WMV already exists. It's the exact video analogue to WMA.
>
> As regards the further digressions (as re: Richard's comment), .asf is
> actually a superset of .wmv and .wma . .wmv is really a superset of .wma,
> at that.
>
> Windows Media Encoder, Windows Movie Maker, Adobe with various plug-ins, etc
> etc etc etc all can produce .wmv or .wma for you. Have fun.
Thanks for the clearing this up. I was just so impatient that I
couldn't see what was right under my eyes.
> I'm going to ignore further massive cross-postings combined with really
> weird speculation/requests, but: the basic information above should
> straighten you out.
>
> -Zach
> --
> Windows Media Development Team (speaking for myself only)
> See http://zachd.com/pss/pss.html for some helpful WMP info.
> This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.
> --
Why do you mean by "weird speculation/requests"?
I assume you are talking about the extremely high-samples rates and
picture resolutions along with extremely low bitrates. Do I guess right?
GBK
and although it is seemingly related to Media... this post would better be
suited for a WMV or Media Codecs forum.
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Radium
GBK wrote:
> how exactly does this relate to MCE? This is a Windows Media Center Forum
> and although it is seemingly related to Media... this post would better be
> suited for a WMV or Media Codecs forum.
It is everybit relevant to MCE.
Jaime
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James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), FL
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Radium
Jaime wrote:
> And it is "everybit" relevant how?
Because it talks about windows media and video and is crossposted to
groups that contain info only relevant to video and windows media
Jaime
do specifically with MCE. Anymore than it would some other OS that "happens"
to be able to play WMV/WMA/Divx/etc. MCE uses DVR-MS (an mpeg variant) as
it's ONLY recording format. Why not just post to every single OS board then?
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James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
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Radium
What does MCE stand for?
Jaime
you don't know what the groups are to which you post.
MCE is what this group covers - Media Center Edition, it is an MS Operating
System, just like Win98, NT, XP Pro, XP Home, etc. and I didn't see you
posting to those groups.
Proper netiquette dictates that you post to (and ask questions of) groups
that deal with the specific problem. You are not suppose to take a shotgun
approach and post on any group that might vaguely have something to do with
a problem.
--
James
Orlando (Goofy says "Hey!"), Florida
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