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Looking for a safe place to visit where there are NO Muslims! No Bali.

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Ray

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Oct 14, 2002, 5:29:32 PM10/14/02
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Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims? Iceland
looks pretty good. Finland looked safe but a bomb went off yesterday.
Sweden let's Muslims get on airplanes with guns.

UK and France are off the list. Germanys gone. How about Switzerland
and Austria? Alaska may be another choice. How about Hawaii? I will
never go back to Bali. How about India? Not Kashmir?

Any suggestions are appreciated. I do not dislike or hate Muslims but
I don't think they can be trusted and they are prone to violence,
murder and mayhem.

Pete Loud

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Oct 14, 2002, 5:45:14 PM10/14/02
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Hi,

You are being stupid.

Should I avoid America because of snipers, etc. etc. etc.

All religions have nutters among them. If I wanted to be controversial I'd
might point out the Israeli Jews, (funded by USA), in proportion to their
population, have been responsible for more religious killings than any other
group in the past couple of years.

Regards.

Pete Loud
Maps of Indonesia & Terrorism in Palestine,
http://users.powernet.co.uk/mkmarina


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devil

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Oct 14, 2002, 5:50:33 PM10/14/02
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Bali was a disaster in waiting. Sex trade tourism in a predominantly
Muslim country is a bit of a provocation.


On sex trade, not just targeting white males. But, as I understand, it
was also a favorite destination for middle-agent bored Japanese females.

(Not an excuse. OTOH it was foolish to go there.)


devil

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Oct 14, 2002, 6:00:00 PM10/14/02
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Pete Loud wrote:
> Hi,
>
> You are being stupid.
>
> Should I avoid America because of snipers, etc. etc. etc.

Would you travel to the DC area just for fun and if don't have to these
days?

AlfredM

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Pete Loud

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Oct 14, 2002, 6:11:42 PM10/14/02
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> Would you travel to the DC area just for fun and if don't have to these
> days?

I am considering travelling to and spending some time in Afghanistan.

Is DC relevant?

Cheers,


Pete Loud


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Miguel Cruz

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Oct 14, 2002, 6:25:54 PM10/14/02
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Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims? Iceland looks
> pretty good. Finland looked safe but a bomb went off yesterday. Sweden
> let's Muslims get on airplanes with guns.
>
> UK and France are off the list. Germanys gone. How about Switzerland
> and Austria? Alaska may be another choice. How about Hawaii? I will
> never go back to Bali. How about India? Not Kashmir?

India's got the world's second-largest Muslim population (after Indonesia).
I suggest you try Medellin. It's a peaceful idyllic paradise, thanks to the
lack of Muslims.

miguel
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Oct 14, 2002, 6:27:00 PM10/14/02
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devil <de...@attglobal.net> wrote:
>> Should I avoid America because of snipers, etc. etc. etc.
>
> Would you travel to the DC area just for fun and if don't have to these
> days?

Why not? The risk of being sniped is lost in the statistical noise. Might as
well avoid Chicago because you heard there was a drunk driver there.

TMOliver

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Oct 14, 2002, 6:47:24 PM10/14/02
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m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) iterated.....


>
> India's got the world's second-largest Muslim population
> (after Indonesia). I suggest you try Medellin. It's a
> peaceful idyllic paradise, thanks to the lack of Muslims.
>

Excellent coffee and baked goods. Cheap steaks. A substantial
portion of the male population do wear clothes with big lumps at
beltline and armpit or carry "quick-open" briefcases of Uzi-
dimensions.

TMO

Jenn

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Oct 14, 2002, 6:39:45 PM10/14/02
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In article <3dab...@news.power.net.uk>,
"Pete Loud" <pete...@XXXmkmarina.powernet.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> You are being stupid.
>
> Should I avoid America because of snipers, etc. etc. etc.
>
> All religions have nutters among them. If I wanted to be controversial I'd
> might point out the Israeli Jews, (funded by USA), in proportion to their
> population, have been responsible for more religious killings than any other
> group in the past couple of years.

in retaliation for the murder of their people by terrorism

Evelyn Vogt Gamble (Divamanque)

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Oct 14, 2002, 6:29:51 PM10/14/02
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So are "skin heads" and any other group of militant
extremists! Maybe you should just stay home? (Although
that may no longer be particularly safe, either.) Just
plain living is dangerous, if you're going to sit down and
compute the odds - "Life", after all, is a fatal disease!
If there's some place you want to go, then go! (Unless it's
in the middle of an actual war zone, of course - Iraq might
not be too safe, right now.)

Michel Talbot

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Oct 14, 2002, 8:10:22 PM10/14/02
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I don't know where you are but could you consider staying there?

Miguel Cruz

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Oct 14, 2002, 10:00:24 PM10/14/02
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Jenn <je...@hmplc.com> wrote:

> "Pete Loud" <pete...@XXXmkmarina.powernet.co.uk> wrote:
>> All religions have nutters among them. If I wanted to be controversial I'd
>> might point out the Israeli Jews, (funded by USA), in proportion to their
>> population, have been responsible for more religious killings than any other
>> group in the past couple of years.
>
> in retaliation for the murder of their people by terrorism

In retaliation for...
... in retaliation for...
In retaliation for...
... in retaliation for...
In retaliation for...
... in retaliation for...

mslinda

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Oct 14, 2002, 11:34:16 PM10/14/02
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Ray wrote:

I'd suggest Greenwood, Mississippi, but there's not a helluva lot to do
down there.

Linda C.


mrtr...@sbcglobal.net

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Oct 15, 2002, 2:55:24 AM10/15/02
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Ray wrote:
>
> Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims?

Stay home... I am sure they aren't in your house.

mrtr...@sbcglobal.net

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Oct 15, 2002, 2:57:47 AM10/15/02
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Jenn wrote:
>
> In article <3dab...@news.power.net.uk>,
> "Pete Loud" <pete...@XXXmkmarina.powernet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > You are being stupid.
> >
> > Should I avoid America because of snipers, etc. etc. etc.
> >
> > All religions have nutters among them. If I wanted to be controversial I'd
> > might point out the Israeli Jews, (funded by USA), in proportion to their
> > population, have been responsible for more religious killings than any other
> > group in the past couple of years.
>
> in retaliation for the murder of their people by terrorism

Care to compare the numbers of innocent civilians killed in that area?
I guarantee they are substantially higher for the number of Islamic
civilians killed by the Israeli military.

hobart xaxinojo

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Oct 15, 2002, 3:27:03 AM10/15/02
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just stay home and spend money in the local restaurants and stores. they
could use the business. there are probably many things to do and see in
your local area that you have not because they are so close. and imagine
you can just relax and not have to worry about travel schedules and such.


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Taichen

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Oct 15, 2002, 3:30:11 AM10/15/02
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On 14 Oct 2002 14:29:32 -0700, rayda...@yahoo.com (Ray) wrote:

>Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims?

the Moon ? Or better, have a nice vacation in the Sun. I've heard it
is warm this time of the year.


> Iceland
>looks pretty good. Finland looked safe but a bomb went off yesterday.
> Sweden let's Muslims get on airplanes with guns.

Actually they did not . Avoid the USA at all costs, of course. They
let people crash planes against buildings.


Rasmus Nielsen

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Oct 15, 2002, 3:59:14 AM10/15/02
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> Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims?

Any suggestions where I can go where there are no Americans - they are too
damn stupid!

--
Venlig hilsen / Best regards,

Rasmus Nielsen.


Mike

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Oct 15, 2002, 5:55:12 AM10/15/02
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South Pole has lot of sunshine and clean air, practically no crowd

John L

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Oct 15, 2002, 6:13:19 AM10/15/02
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Ler me know where you are going Rasmus, so I can go elsewhere, I would
prefer not to be around bigots like yourself.

John L.

mrtrqavel

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Oct 15, 2002, 6:16:02 AM10/15/02
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Better take sunblock. That ozone hole will be bad

raul

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Oct 15, 2002, 6:27:43 AM10/15/02
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 10:13:19 GMT, John L <jlaw...@bigpond.net.au>
wrote:

>Ler me know where you are going Rasmus, so I can go elsewhere, I would
>prefer not to be around bigots like yourself.

And of course you say this because it is a well known fact that
Americans are generally spealing open minded , not caring at all about
other races and so on , right ?

Kevin

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Oct 15, 2002, 6:56:22 AM10/15/02
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rayda...@yahoo.com (Ray) wrote in message news:<6e39148.02101...@posting.google.com>...

> Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims? Iceland
> looks pretty good.

Anyone with a penchant for frozen peas can shop there, I'm told.

Brahmama

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Oct 15, 2002, 8:28:10 AM10/15/02
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Just saw a bumper sticker with something like:

The problem with an "Eye for an Eye" is that soon the world will be blind.


m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote in message news:<YEKq9.18113$nb.1...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>...

Broomer

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Oct 15, 2002, 8:33:59 AM10/15/02
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Not quite true during the New Year. Trips to Antarctica is getting popular
amongst the R&F. Still at least you don't have to worry about plebs like me
perving at any cute babes in the vicinity.

Have a nice one,

Broomer

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hh

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Oct 16, 2002, 1:04:09 AM10/16/02
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 02:00:24 GMT, m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

>> in retaliation for the murder of their people by terrorism
>
>In retaliation for...
>... in retaliation for...
>In retaliation for...
>... in retaliation for...
>In retaliation for...
>... in retaliation for...
>
>miguel

this "nested subroutine" happens all the time in sunny Singapour....


Pablo

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Oct 15, 2002, 10:23:45 AM10/15/02
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I've been told Iraq is a great and secure country ....

DALing

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Oct 15, 2002, 11:07:07 AM10/15/02
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of course, don't 10000 wrongs make a right? (hmmm... Northern
Ireland...Chechnya...east Tomor...)

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Manoj Nair

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Oct 15, 2002, 1:53:20 PM10/15/02
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I would say INDIA is best bet. Like u mentioned avoid KASHMIR.

Tim Vanhoof

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Oct 15, 2002, 3:53:25 PM10/15/02
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Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Any suggestions where I can go

Yup, go to hell.

John L

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Oct 15, 2002, 6:19:40 PM10/15/02
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On Tue, 15 Oct 2002 12:27:43 +0200, raul <ma...@spam.net> wrote:
>
>And of course you say this because it is a well known fact that
>Americans are generally spealing open minded , not caring at all about
>other races and so on , right ?

Not sure what your point is Raul, I don't like bigots, regardless of
race, creed, or colour. No individual should be judged by the actions
of their governments. If you're not sure what a bigot is, I suggest
you look in a mirror.

John L

Broomer

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Oct 15, 2002, 6:19:50 PM10/15/02
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A Father once said to my class that people needs to think more with their
heads and not with their bums.

I wish this was repeated more often.

All the best,

Broomer

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Keeger

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Oct 15, 2002, 6:53:23 PM10/15/02
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mrtrqavel <mrtr...@svcglbal.net> wrote:

>Better take sunblock. That ozone hole will be bad
>

Where've you been? It's "holes" now.

K.

Go Fig

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Oct 15, 2002, 7:03:12 PM10/15/02
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In article <b27pquoimcjphi330...@4ax.com>,
Keeger <Strat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

IIRC, NASA has said that the holE is the smallest its been in years.

jay
Tue, Oct 15, 2002
mailto:go...@mac.com

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Amish

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Oct 15, 2002, 7:06:20 PM10/15/02
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John it takes one to know one... bigot. Read what you wrote, and tell me
whether or not there are differences between what the governments of
whatever countries you are comparing are doing... bigot

Keeger

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Oct 15, 2002, 7:30:38 PM10/15/02
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Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:

>In article <b27pquoimcjphi330...@4ax.com>,
> Keeger <Strat...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> mrtrqavel <mrtr...@svcglbal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Better take sunblock. That ozone hole will be bad
>> >
>> Where've you been? It's "holes" now.
>>
>> K.
>IIRC, NASA has said that the holE is the smallest its been in years.

They also say that it has split in two, which would suggest the
plural.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/space/09/30/ozone.holes/

K

Me

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Oct 15, 2002, 7:36:27 PM10/15/02
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In article <6e39148.02101...@posting.google.com>,
rayda...@yahoo.com (Ray) wrote:

> Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims? Iceland
> looks pretty good. Finland looked safe but a bomb went off yesterday.
> Sweden let's Muslims get on airplanes with guns.

Stay home. That's your best bet.

Go Fig

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Oct 15, 2002, 7:39:00 PM10/15/02
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In article <f09pqu8b5t02f6p6h...@4ax.com>,
Keeger <Strat...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Yup your right, it is 2 holes but substantially smaller in total area
then recent years.

Thanx for the correction.

Hatunen

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Besides, Muslims had nothing to do with the bomb in Finland.

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pd...@hotmail.com (Pablo) wrote in message news:<8e18c687.02101...@posting.google.com>...

> I've been told Iraq is a great and secure country ....

Likewise Belarus... and there are absolutely no Muslims there! North
Korea is a good bet too.

Ray

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hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) wrote in message news:<3dacb08b...@news.west.cox.net>...

The kid looked like he was half-muslim and his last name was NOT
Finnish. No way he was 100% Finnish. He was half Arab.

Finns don't do stupid things like that.

devil

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Oct 16, 2002, 10:49:24 AM10/16/02
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Ray wrote:
>
> The kid looked like he was half-muslim


Mind telling us what half muslim looks like? Is it like half-pregnant
or half-virgin?


(Anyway, maybe you should also clarify for us what the Muslim look is.)

Jani Patokallio

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(Why, oh why, am I feeding the trolls again?)

In rec.travel.europe Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> Besides, Muslims had nothing to do with the bomb in Finland.

: The kid looked like he was half-muslim and his last name was NOT
: Finnish.

"Gerdt" is a German name, and there are lots of them in Finland.

And for what it's worth, the 7-year-old girl killed in the blast was Arab.

Cheers,
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In article <aojve3$sua$1...@nntp.hut.fi>,
Jani Patokallio <jpat...@cc.hut.fi> wrote:

> (Why, oh why, am I feeding the trolls again?)
>
> In rec.travel.europe Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :> Besides, Muslims had nothing to do with the bomb in Finland.
>
> : The kid looked like he was half-muslim and his last name was NOT
> : Finnish.
>
> "Gerdt" is a German name, and there are lots of them in Finland.
>
> And for what it's worth, the 7-year-old girl killed in the blast was Arab.
>
> Cheers,

But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to
the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.

jay
Wed, Oct 16, 2002

Banty

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Oct 16, 2002, 11:23:13 AM10/16/02
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In article <aojve3$sua$1...@nntp.hut.fi>, Jani says...

Well worth repeating under a subject name that corrects the impression left by
the previous subject name.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/10/15/helsinki.blast/index.html

Jees - what ignorance is being shown in this forum!

Banty

DALing

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what was that character in Batman that was half/half?

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Banty

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In article <gofig-30CC68....@netnews.attbi.com>, Go says...

>
>In article <aojve3$sua$1...@nntp.hut.fi>,
> Jani Patokallio <jpat...@cc.hut.fi> wrote:
>
>> (Why, oh why, am I feeding the trolls again?)
>>
>> In rec.travel.europe Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> :> Besides, Muslims had nothing to do with the bomb in Finland.
>>
>> : The kid looked like he was half-muslim and his last name was NOT
>> : Finnish.
>>
>> "Gerdt" is a German name, and there are lots of them in Finland.
>>
>> And for what it's worth, the 7-year-old girl killed in the blast was Arab.
>>
>> Cheers,
>
>But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to
>the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
>some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.
>

So, you ignore the fact that you aserted that this bomber was "half-muslim" and
try to distract the conversation to something else.

Well, *my* tin-foil attennae, when I tune them juuuuuust right, *still* doesn't
pick up a "half-muslim" conspiracy, or *any* conspiracy for that matter.

However, I *have* noted that my B.S. meter is pegged to the highest reading
again.

Banty (say - were you one of those guys who beat up just about anybody brown or
wearing cloth headgear after the Oklahoma City bombing??)

Go Fig

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In article <aok2n...@drn.newsguy.com>,
Banty <Banty_...@newsguy.com> wrote:

> In article <gofig-30CC68....@netnews.attbi.com>, Go says...
> >
> >In article <aojve3$sua$1...@nntp.hut.fi>,
> > Jani Patokallio <jpat...@cc.hut.fi> wrote:
> >
> >> (Why, oh why, am I feeding the trolls again?)
> >>
> >> In rec.travel.europe Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> :> Besides, Muslims had nothing to do with the bomb in Finland.
> >>
> >> : The kid looked like he was half-muslim and his last name was NOT
> >> : Finnish.
> >>
> >> "Gerdt" is a German name, and there are lots of them in Finland.
> >>
> >> And for what it's worth, the 7-year-old girl killed in the blast was Arab.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >
> >But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to
> >the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
> >some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.
> >
>
> So, you ignore the fact that you aserted that this bomber was "half-muslim"
> and


Am waiting for the apology....

jay
Wed, Oct 16, 2002
mailto:go...@mac.com

> try to distract the conversation to something else.
>
> Well, *my* tin-foil attennae, when I tune them juuuuuust right, *still*
> doesn't
> pick up a "half-muslim" conspiracy, or *any* conspiracy for that matter.
>
> However, I *have* noted that my B.S. meter is pegged to the highest reading
> again.
>
> Banty (say - were you one of those guys who beat up just about anybody brown
> or
> wearing cloth headgear after the Oklahoma City bombing??)
>

--

Miguel Cruz

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Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
> But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to
> the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
> some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.

The articles I saw said that it wasn't immediately obvious (similar to what
I sometimes see after a kid shoots up a school in the USA - "he seemed fine,
he was a loner, he told stories in internet chat rooms about violence but
everyone thought it was just idle fantasy.")

Go Fig

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Oct 16, 2002, 1:32:28 PM10/16/02
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In article <k9hr9.43309$qb....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

> Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
> > But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to
> > the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
> > some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.
>
> The articles I saw said that it wasn't immediately obvious (similar to what
> I sometimes see after a kid shoots up a school in the USA - "he seemed fine,
> he was a loner, he told stories in internet chat rooms about violence but
> everyone thought it was just idle fantasy.")
>
> miguel

Yeah... thats what Ive seen too... I LOVE the new Google NEWS, but I
think,IIRC, that a court in Finland blocked these News bots... requiring
one to use the 'front door'... maybe it was Sweden....

Lennart Petersen

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"Ray" <rayda...@yahoo.com> skrev i meddelandet
news:6e39148.02101...@posting.google.com...

.
> Sweden let's Muslims get on airplanes with guns.
If talking about the Ryanair and Västerås event it could be reason to know
that the guy wasn't "allowed" onboard any airplane at all but stopped and
arrested at the security check. At least Västerås airport have reason to be
proud of their efficiency.
L.P


Banty

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Oct 16, 2002, 3:07:42 PM10/16/02
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In article <gofig-88A90D....@netnews.attbi.com>, Go says...

>
>In article <aok2n...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> Banty <Banty_...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>> In article <gofig-30CC68....@netnews.attbi.com>, Go says...
>> >
>> >In article <aojve3$sua$1...@nntp.hut.fi>,
>> > Jani Patokallio <jpat...@cc.hut.fi> wrote:
>> >
>> >> (Why, oh why, am I feeding the trolls again?)
>> >>
>> >> In rec.travel.europe Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> :> Besides, Muslims had nothing to do with the bomb in Finland.
>> >>
>> >> : The kid looked like he was half-muslim and his last name was NOT
>> >> : Finnish.
>> >>
>> >> "Gerdt" is a German name, and there are lots of them in Finland.
>> >>
>> >> And for what it's worth, the 7-year-old girl killed in the blast was Arab.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >
>> >But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to
>> >the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
>> >some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.
>> >
>>
>> So, you ignore the fact that you aserted that this bomber was "half-muslim"
>> and
>
>
>
>
>Am waiting for the apology....

Yup - I got you confused the the OP.

Sorry.

Cheers,
Banty

Stuart Hofmann

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Go Fig wrote:

> But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to
> the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
> some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.

News claims possible failed romance motive. And his PC revealed that he was a
very active member in a bomb making forum.
-S-

Ray

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Oct 16, 2002, 6:46:10 PM10/16/02
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devil <de...@attglobal.net> wrote in message news:<U%er9.24145$ER5.1...@news2.telusplanet.net>...

Finns look like this:
http://www.formula1.com/graphics02/images02/genpics/races/sanmarino/friday020412/pics/imkimi.jpg
http://www.formula1.com/races/racenews02/pics/hungary/friday020816/imkimi.html
http://www.formula1.com/races/racenews02/pics/hungary/saturday020817/imkimi.html
http://www.formula1.com/races/racenews02/pics/canada/friday020607/imsalo.html
http://www.poster.net/hakkinen-mika/hakkinen-mika-photo-mika-hakkinen-6200827.jpg

Muslims look like this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1560000/images/_1560872_010924landen150.jpg

Half Muslims who fly small planes into building look like this. His
father was a muslim.

http://www.sanjhsavera.com/images/Charles%20Bishop.jpg

This is the real Petri Gerdt:
http://www.cs.joensuu.fi/~pgerdt/
http://www.cs.joensuu.fi/pages/amanuenssi/staff/petrigerdt.html

The media used this innocent young Finnish man's name and the real
bomber is not "Petri Gerdt." The real bomber's name is probably
Mohammed Antonennenen or Mika Mustafa.

See photo of half muslim finn. Darker hair, brown eyes, evil look. He
looks nothing like the real Petro Gerdt, Kimi, Mika Salo of Mika
Hakkinen. He is not Finnish.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/2329115.stm

Note how the muslim has an Adam's apple in his throat where Kimi
Raikonnen does not.

devil

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Oct 16, 2002, 7:10:35 PM10/16/02
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Sigh...


Our friend didn't get it :-(.

I guess he is like these guess who went and killed a couple of Sikhs
after 9/11, just for good measure :-(. He sure would be dumb enough.

I guess he should consider a run for the presidency one of these days.
Might have a chance.


JF Mezei

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Oct 16, 2002, 9:08:50 PM10/16/02
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Or they look like Tina Turner, Muhamed Ali, and "Doctor Bashir" on Star Trek
Deep Space 9. And they may look like Princess Diana's boyfriend who was killed
with her. Go to the south pacific and you may not be able to distinguish
between christians or muslims in tribes.


> Half Muslims who fly small planes into building look like this. His
> father was a muslim.

What is "half muslim" ? Does he half believe in Allah and half believe in
Jesus ? Or is the other half Jewish ? Hindou ? Mormon ?

Do all Mormons look like Michael Jackson ?

Ray

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Oct 16, 2002, 10:58:38 PM10/16/02
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rayda...@yahoo.com (Ray) wrote in message news:<6e39148.02101...@posting.google.com>...
Hakkinen. He is not a happy go lucky Finn.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/europe/2329115.stm

Note how the half muslim has an Adam's apple in his throat where Kimi
Raikonnen does not.

philippe

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Oct 17, 2002, 6:56:27 AM10/17/02
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well ,it will be more clever to say where they are not muslim
fanatic...,no catholic fanatic, no jews fanatics and so on.. good luck
to find that place!
anyway ,do you know (but do you know something ?) in the philippines ,
statistically the most dangerous thing there are the falling coconuts,
of course not so mediatic, well more people are kill by falling
coconuts than by muslim ;so please do not come to visit us in our
secluded island,if you are so stupid, others are welcome
www.chinaseaisland.com
sorry no disco (by the way ,did you know that the bali s night club
was forbidden to the locals...)
frankly , if there is something very dangerous in the world now it is
the abyssal stupidity of the little american president;
that is very scaring for the world !
sorry for the english
philippe girardeau

Taichen <nom...@nomail.com> wrote in message news:<3rgnqusjk0716gphc...@4ax.com>...


> On 14 Oct 2002 14:29:32 -0700, rayda...@yahoo.com (Ray) wrote:
>
> >Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims?
>

> the Moon ? Or better, have a nice vacation in the Sun. I've heard it
> is warm this time of the year.

>
> > Iceland
> >looks pretty good. Finland looked safe but a bomb went off yesterday.

> > Sweden let's Muslims get on airplanes with guns.
>

> Actually they did not . Avoid the USA at all costs, of course. They
> let people crash planes against buildings.

Jani Patokallio

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Oct 17, 2002, 10:47:03 AM10/17/02
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In rec.travel.europe Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
: In article <aojve3$sua$1...@nntp.hut.fi>,
: Jani Patokallio <jpat...@cc.hut.fi> wrote:

:> In rec.travel.europe Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
:> :> Besides, Muslims had nothing to do with the bomb in Finland.
:>
:> : The kid looked like he was half-muslim and his last name was NOT
:> : Finnish.
:>
:> "Gerdt" is a German name, and there are lots of them in Finland.
:> And for what it's worth, the 7-year-old girl killed in the blast was Arab.

: But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to

: the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
: some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.

Because they don't appear to know. The guy in question was a prolific
Internet forum user, but while it's quite clear he loved to blow things
up, there has been very little prior indication that he was actively
homicidal. The detonation in the shopping mall (as opposed to some
other perhaps inanimate target) may have been accidental -- although
why would he put shrapnel in it then?

Jani Patokallio

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Oct 17, 2002, 10:49:06 AM10/17/02
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In rec.travel.europe Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
: Yeah... thats what Ive seen too... I LOVE the new Google NEWS, but I
: think,IIRC, that a court in Finland blocked these News bots... requiring
: one to use the 'front door'... maybe it was Sweden....

That's news to me -- and Google News does index the English edition
of the Helsingin Sanomat.

Go Fig

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Oct 17, 2002, 12:43:50 PM10/17/02
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In article <aomih7$5cq$2...@nntp.hut.fi>,
Jani Patokallio <jpat...@cc.hut.fi> wrote:

> In rec.travel.europe Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
> : In article <aojve3$sua$1...@nntp.hut.fi>,
> : Jani Patokallio <jpat...@cc.hut.fi> wrote:
> :> In rec.travel.europe Ray <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :> :> Besides, Muslims had nothing to do with the bomb in Finland.
> :>
> :> : The kid looked like he was half-muslim and his last name was NOT
> :> : Finnish.
> :>
> :> "Gerdt" is a German name, and there are lots of them in Finland.
> :> And for what it's worth, the 7-year-old girl killed in the blast was Arab.
>
> : But why after so many days have officials not released any info as to
> : the motivation of this killer ? Surely a 17 year olds room would reveal
> : some of his motivation... or the PC he was known to have used.
>
> Because they don't appear to know. The guy in question was a prolific
> Internet forum user, but while it's quite clear he loved to blow things
> up, there has been very little prior indication that he was actively
> homicidal. The detonation in the shopping mall (as opposed to some
> other perhaps inanimate target) may have been accidental -- although
> why would he put shrapnel in it then?


At the conclusion of the Police investigation, does the press in Finland
have the right to review the evidence the police collected... in the
U.S. the press would use The Freedom of Information Act to secure this
evidence, do the press and individuals in Finland have this right ?

jay
Thu, Oct 17, 2002
mailto:go...@mac.com

>
> Cheers,

Bert Amada

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Oct 17, 2002, 2:16:36 PM10/17/02
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Phillipe wrote; "sorry no disco (by the way ,did you know that the bali

s night club was forbidden to the locals...)"

That's no surprise. The Indonesian government was well aware of the fact
that Indonesia is infested with terrorists and that tourist spots would
be most likely be targeted. Locals were forbidden to go to nite clubs
where tourists congregated. You don't think the government was going to
warn the tourists that they were at risk?

It was "Jaws" all over again! The Indonesian government refused to even
publicly acknowledge that there were large terrorist organizations in
their midst or take any preventative steps that might frighten away
tourists.

B.A.

Hatunen

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Oct 17, 2002, 4:52:32 PM10/17/02
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On 16 Oct 2002 19:58:38 -0700, rayda...@yahoo.com (Ray) wrote:

Some Finns look like that, but fewer than you might assume. Certainly,
no one on the maternal side of my family looks like that. Hakkinene
looks like hse's got some Swede in him.

That's an Arab. Although many Arabs are Muslim, not all Muslims are
Arabs. I suspect very few Indonesian or Phillipino Muslims look like
hta, even without the headdress.

>Half Muslims who fly small planes into building look like this. His
>father was a muslim.

You're being intentionally ironic, aren't you?

Miguel Cruz

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Oct 17, 2002, 4:59:37 PM10/17/02
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Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
> That's an Arab. Although many Arabs are Muslim, not all Muslims are
> Arabs. I suspect very few Indonesian or Phillipino Muslims look like
> hta, even without the headdress.

In fact, Arabs are a relatively small minority of Muslims.

John W.

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Oct 17, 2002, 5:09:01 PM10/17/02
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rayda...@yahoo.com (Ray) wrote in message news:<6e39148.02101...@posting.google.com>...
>
> The kid looked like he was half-muslim....

Out of curiosity, how could someone be half muslim (which is a
religious identifier)?

John W.

Tomi

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Oct 17, 2002, 5:11:02 PM10/17/02
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hatu...@cox.net (Hatunen) wrote in
news:3daf2271...@news.west.cox.net:

> Some Finns look like that, but fewer than you might assume. Certainly,
> no one on the maternal side of my family looks like that.

Lol. Mothers look different ...

> Hakkinene
> looks like hse's got some Swede in him.

Yes, Hakkinene is a famous Swede-look-alike.

--
T: Tomi

Not the Karl Orff

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Oct 17, 2002, 5:24:24 PM10/17/02
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In article <ZwFr9.29220$nb.2...@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:

> Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
> > That's an Arab. Although many Arabs are Muslim, not all Muslims are
> > Arabs. I suspect very few Indonesian or Phillipino Muslims look like
> > hta, even without the headdress.
>
> In fact, Arabs are a relatively small minority of Muslims.

Indeed, as Indonesia has more people than the Arabic natons combined.
Iran of course isn't included in the Arabic world, or shouldn't be
(except by the masses of ignorants)

DALing

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Oct 17, 2002, 5:44:25 PM10/17/02
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now now, stop trying to introduce LOGIC into what is obviously an
inflamatory argument

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grey

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Oct 17, 2002, 6:01:34 PM10/17/02
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Please don't feed the trolls, folks.

---------------------------
A truly cool book:
The World Is Already Yours
Conscious living in the real world
www.alreadyyours.com (sample chapter, etc...)

Devil

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Oct 17, 2002, 6:04:54 PM10/17/02
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DALing wrote:
> now now, stop trying to introduce LOGIC into what is obviously an
> inflamatory argument

Half-logic.

Broomer

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Oct 17, 2002, 5:59:45 PM10/17/02
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Speaking of dangerous falling fruit, which do you think is worst, a falling
coconut or a falling durian?
Also, if people are suddenly developing agoraphobia, I'd suggest that people
stand right where they are and don't do anything. It seems that people are
more likely to be killed at home, in the car or by someone they know.

All the best,

Broomer

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Ray

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Oct 17, 2002, 11:18:35 PM10/17/02
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Tomi <to...@invalid.inet.fi> wrote in message news:<Xns92AB13...@192.89.123.233>...


What about also those rally champions like Tommi, Juha, Harri (not yet
champ), Tony Gardemeister and Marcus Grunholm who is really a
Swede-Finn.

None of them look like Muslims. I rest my case.

DALing

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Oct 18, 2002, 10:24:14 AM10/18/02
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I'm just curious, here... Does, say, Muhammud Ali LOOK Muslim? If a beard
is the criteria, do most of the Amish LOOK Muslim? WHAT does a Muslim look
like? (NOT "what does a person of middle eastern lineage LOOK like?") OK,
what does a Catholic LOOK like? What does an athiest LOOK like? What does
a Druid LOOK like?

"Ray" <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tim Vanhoof

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Oct 18, 2002, 7:06:12 PM10/18/02
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"DALing" <daling43[delete]@hotmail.com> wrote:

> what was that character in Batman that was half/half?
>
Two-Face. But he wasn't a Muslim AFAIK.

Osmo Ronkanen

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Oct 19, 2002, 3:53:39 AM10/19/02
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"DALing" <daling43[delete]@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<H46LC...@news.boeing.com>...

> I'm just curious, here... Does, say, Muhammud Ali LOOK Muslim? If a beard
> is the criteria, do most of the Amish LOOK Muslim? WHAT does a Muslim look
> like? (NOT "what does a person of middle eastern lineage LOOK like?") OK,
> what does a Catholic LOOK like? What does an athiest LOOK like? What does
> a Druid LOOK like?
>

Or how about this man:

http://stadionkuvat.inet.fi/2000/athletics/00-holmen-janne2-PP.jpg

When Richard Reid (The shoe bomber) was catched BBC wondered how the French
security had allowed him to the plane with that name and so obvious
Middle-Eastern look :-)

Osmo

JMS

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Oct 19, 2002, 4:04:25 AM10/19/02
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Stay home - the world would be a better place without you.

"Ray" <rayda...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:6e39148.02101...@posting.google.com...

> Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims? Iceland


> looks pretty good. Finland looked safe but a bomb went off yesterday.
> Sweden let's Muslims get on airplanes with guns.
>

> UK and France are off the list. Germanys gone. How about Switzerland
> and Austria? Alaska may be another choice. How about Hawaii? I will
> never go back to Bali. How about India? Not Kashmir?
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated. I do not dislike or hate Muslims but
> I don't think they can be trusted and they are prone to violence,
> murder and mayhem.


Neil Wanstall

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Oct 19, 2002, 6:16:31 AM10/19/02
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Try washington that sounds nice

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Mort

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Oct 19, 2002, 7:09:32 AM10/19/02
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On 19 Oct 2002 00:53:39 -0700, ok...@hotmail.com (Osmo Ronkanen)
wrote:

I think that this pig boarded in Florida, not in France.

Regards,
Mort

Miguel Cruz

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Oct 19, 2002, 1:35:15 PM10/19/02
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Mort <Mo...@moro.com> wrote:

> ok...@hotmail.com (Osmo Ronkanen) wrote:
>> When Richard Reid (The shoe bomber) was catched BBC wondered how the French
>> security had allowed him to the plane with that name and so obvious
>> Middle-Eastern look :-)
>
> I think that this pig boarded in Florida, not in France.

American Airlines flight 63, Paris (CDG) to Miami.

Miguel Cruz

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Oct 19, 2002, 1:36:01 PM10/19/02
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Neil Wanstall <nwan...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Try washington that sounds nice

Just stay in the city and you're fine. Traffic's too bad; sniper couldn't
get away and he seems to know it.

Broomer

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Oct 19, 2002, 6:39:33 PM10/19/02
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Thing is how the we know it's not someone in the force who's taking people
are?
But I think that's part of the bastard's ploy.

Broomer

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Jay&Su

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Oct 20, 2002, 2:23:03 AM10/20/02
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Bali has been a "tourist destination" of kinds for thousands of years,
that's how the Hindus (90%) and the Muslims (8%) and the so called
Christian colonizors got here.

Travel and trade has always been an important livelihood here on Bali.
Our working people are the ones suffering immediatly and the most from
the economic fall-out from the disco blast in Kuta, the party animal
destinaton of our island. The best way to help make this part of the
world safe again is to please come back. Just stay out of crowded
places, stay sober and keep a low profile, just like your mom & dad
(and all Foreign Ministers' offices) always have recommended.

We are shocked and berearved. But we know: People came back to New
York after 9/11, they will come also come back to Bali soon.

Here's our incentive:

A week after the murderous bomb blast in a crowded disco here, the
beautiful island of Bali is shocked but ready to receive visitors as
usual and treat them with the same or even more intense hospitality
and respect.

Our eco-tourism business "Bali Cruise", a small personal and business
partnership of multi-national and multi-cultural locals and expats, is
alive, unharmed and well!

Airlines and ferries are back to business as usual and new travellers
looking for bargains, a great climate, and a clean environment are
already arriving. Not the usual consumer-party-animal-tourists we get
here a lot of, but mostly backpackers, families, retirees, investors,
even humanitarians seeking to help the locals. We've heard the
question many times already from new arrivals: "Where can we donate
blood?" Good Karma! And a big THANK YOU, brothers and sisters!

We've been here for many years and are not leaving! However, we need
some new business to make up for the cancellations we undestandably
got, and can keep the hired local help employed and our bills paid.
Therefore we invite you to name your own price for our private sailing
cruises on the Shangri La, our 47' trimaran, and hillside villas on
Bali.

Any combination of land and sea days, up to 8 people, is possible. A
daycruise for a small group, or overnight cruises to the outlying
islands, alls the way to Komodo Island, if you wish.

Check out http://www.bali-cruise.com and then e-mail us with your
lowest price offer.

Daisy, Reinhold, Su, Ayu and Jay
Sailing Yacht "Shangri La"
Benoa Yacht Marina, on Bali, The Island of The Gods.


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grey

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Oct 20, 2002, 2:45:48 PM10/20/02
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This is not just inappropriate on rec.travel.europe, it's also spam.
For pete's sake. No spam, please.

John L

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Oct 21, 2002, 4:36:47 AM10/21/02
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You really don't have a clue do you?

You even have the audacity to include your own little spam message in
your posting.

Go dig a hole and bury yourself you unctuous turd.

John L.

DALing

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Oct 21, 2002, 11:19:14 AM10/21/02
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ah... but how would you KNOW?

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Banty

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Oct 21, 2002, 12:22:24 PM10/21/02
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In article <H4C7w...@news.boeing.com>, "DALing" says...

Why that's obvious - no adam's apple

Scott Hillard

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"Pete Loud" <pete...@XXXmkmarina.powernet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:3dab...@news.power.net.uk...

> All religions have nutters among them. If I wanted to be controversial
I'd
> might point out the Israeli Jews, (funded by USA), in proportion to their
> population, have been responsible for more religious killings than any
other
> group in the past couple of years.


By what measure?

Algy Cavendish

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Oct 22, 2002, 6:28:25 AM10/22/02
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mslinda <msl...@earthlink.net> wrote in message news:<3DAB8C9F...@earthlink.net>...
> Ray wrote:
>
> > Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims.

Belfast

DALing

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Oct 22, 2002, 11:35:15 AM10/22/02
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by the measure that Sharon started this a few years ago with the Temple
Mount incident, maybe? What's it going to take to end this before they try
to kill each other off? Last human standing?

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Richard

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Oct 24, 2002, 1:42:56 PM10/24/02
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"grey" <n...@available.com> wrote in message
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> This is not just inappropriate on rec.travel.europe,

Your 'American Isolationism' thread is OT, too.

> it's also spam.

So is your sig.

> For pete's sake. No spam, please.

Yes, please. Do follow your own advice. While I can tolerate a bit of spam
here and there, I'm not at all fond of hypocrites.

Richard


Spindrift

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Oct 27, 2002, 4:08:37 AM10/27/02
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How about New Zealand? The number of Islamic-dressed women here in
the country's largest city (Auckland) I could count on the fingers of
one hand.

There is no terrorist problem here. Come and see us.


Spindrift

Miguel Cruz

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Oct 29, 2002, 8:22:33 AM10/29/02
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Craig Welch <cr...@singmail.com> wrote:
> m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>>> Would you travel to the DC area just for fun and if don't have to these
>>> days?
>>
>> Why not? The risk of being sniped is lost in the statistical noise. Might
>> as well avoid Chicago because you heard there was a drunk driver there.
>
> I never heard that. When was it?

Don't worry; I heard he's had a couple cups of coffee now.

Tim Challenger

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Oct 29, 2002, 8:26:05 AM10/29/02
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"Miguel Cruz" <m...@admin.u.nu> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:tYvv9.44461$wm6....@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...

David Gibson

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Oct 29, 2002, 3:34:46 PM10/29/02
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Miguel Cruz wrote:
>
> Craig Welch <cr...@singmail.com> wrote:
> > m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
> >>> Would you travel to the DC area just for fun and if don't have to these
> >>> days?
> >>
> >> Why not? The risk of being sniped is lost in the statistical noise. Might
> >> as well avoid Chicago because you heard there was a drunk driver there.
> >
> > I never heard that. When was it?
>
> Don't worry; I heard he's had a couple cups of coffee now.
>
> miguel

Watch out!

Now you've got a nervous, twitchy, wide-awake drunk!

Broomer

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Oct 29, 2002, 5:10:11 PM10/29/02
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You guys need a drink n' drive bloody idiot campaign like we have here. Mind
you, you guys might end up having to hire a coupla skips to do the acting
for you. >:')

Stay Frosty,

Broomer
--
=====
It doesn't matter if you win or lose...
The only thing that matters is...
That you wake up to the next day...
To fight and strive for another day.
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On Tuesday, October 15, 2002 4:29:32 AM UTC+7, Ray wrote:
> Any suggestions where I can go where their are no Muslims? Iceland
> looks pretty good. Finland looked safe but a bomb went off yesterday.
> Sweden let's Muslims get on airplanes with guns.
>
> UK and France are off the list. Germanys gone. How about Switzerland
> and Austria? Alaska may be another choice. How about Hawaii? I will
> never go back to Bali. How about India? Not Kashmir?
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated. I do not dislike or hate Muslims but
> I don't think they can be trusted and they are prone to violence,
> murder and mayhem.

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