Oberammergau
Dick Snyder
of trying to get to Oberammergau to see the pagent. Have you been? Should we
try to drive there or park the car and take a train? We are Protestant and
don't speak German fluently.
Alfred Molon
says...
Oberammergau by car.
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tim....
"Dick Snyder" <REMOVEdi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> My wife and I will be hiking in the Dolomites in Sept 2010 and are
> thinking of trying to get to Oberammergau to see the pagent. Have you
> been? Should we try to drive there or park the car and take a train? We
> are Protestant
I'm very confused
Why is this fact the slightest bit relevant (to anything at all related to
travel in Europe)?
tim
Jack Campin - bogus address
>> thinking of trying to get to Oberammergau to see the pagent. Have you
>> been? Should we try to drive there or park the car and take a train?
>> We are Protestant
> I'm very confused
> Why is this fact the slightest bit relevant (to anything at all related
> to travel in Europe)?
They have metal detectors at the gates to the Oberammergau car parks
so you can't get in without a crucifix.
It sometimes registers a false positive for visitors wearing a Star
of David, but they have other checks on the exits to make sure they
don't get out.
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Dick Snyder
"tim...." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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close when in the Italian Dolomites (also part of Europe). It seemed like a
good group to post this inquiry as we will be travelling in Europe for
recreation purposes. If this isn't the correct group, which one might you
suggest?
Dick Snyder
mentioned that we were Protestant. You are correct, it is not relevant. My
thinking is that the passion is much more important to Catholics but none of
that is relevant.
Have you been to Oberammergau to see the pagent? Can you give me some advice
on the question I asked? Sorry for the previous reply to your post which had
nothing to do with your response now that I re-read it.
tim....
>
> "tim...." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Dick Snyder" <REMOVEdi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:9Mqdnbuku8zGhHPX...@giganews.com...
>>> My wife and I will be hiking in the Dolomites in Sept 2010 and are
>>> thinking of trying to get to Oberammergau to see the pagent. Have you
>>> been? Should we try to drive there or park the car and take a train? We
>>> are Protestant
>>
>> I'm very confused
>>
>> Why is this fact the slightest bit relevant (to anything at all related
>> to travel in Europe)?
>>
>> tim
>>
> I misinterpreted your question in my previous reply. You were asking why I
> mentioned that we were Protestant. You are correct, it is not relevant. My
> thinking is that the passion is much more important to Catholics but none
> of that is relevant.
TBH I wasn't aware that the Passion play was a religious pilgrimage at all.
I have assumed that it was one of those things that people interested in the
arts try to do just because of it relative uniqueness/difficultness.
No I haven't been.
tim
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> On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:52:54 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <bo...@purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> My wife and I will be hiking in the Dolomites in Sept 2010 and are
>>>> thinking of trying to get to Oberammergau to see the pagent. Have you
>>>> been? Should we try to drive there or park the car and take a train?
>>>> We are Protestant
>>> I'm very confused
>>> Why is this fact the slightest bit relevant (to anything at all related
>>> to travel in Europe)?
>>
>>They have metal detectors at the gates to the Oberammergau car parks
>>so you can't get in without a crucifix.
>
> It's too look for hammers and nails.
> --
>
> Martin
>
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> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 09:14:30 -0500, "Dick Snyder"
> <REMOVEdi...@gmail.com>
> people
> smile when they see your name.
> --
>
> Martin
>
erilar
"Dick Snyder" <REMOVEdi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Have you been to Oberammergau to see the pagent? Can you give me some advice
> on the question I asked? Sorry for the previous reply to your post which had
> nothing to do with your response now that I re-read it.
Are you planning to stay overnight? The chance of finding a place to
sleep at short notice when the play is on is probably nil. Getting back
to some other place afterwards by public transport could be difficult.
Not understanding the actors' language is unlikely to make much
difference as you probably wouldn't hear it all that clearly anyway.
The pageant is based on the Bible; you could most likely follow the
story without difficulty.
Oberammergau is a neat, if rather touristy place to visit. I've never
been there for the pageant, but I've been there several times in the
past with students.
--
Erilar, biblioholic
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habitual longing to purchase, read, store, admire, and consume books in excess.
erilar
"Dick Snyder" <REMOVEdi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, Oberammergau is in Germany (part of Europe) and we will be relatively
> close when in the Italian Dolomites (also part of Europe). It seemed like a
> good group to post this inquiry as we will be travelling in Europe for
> recreation purposes. If this isn't the correct group, which one might you
> suggest?
This is the place to ask. You're getting some totally ridiculous replies.
Pat
>>> My wife and I will be hiking in the Dolomites in Sept 2010 and are
>>> thinking of trying to get to Oberammergau to see the pagent. Have
>>> you been? Should we try to drive there or park the car and take a
>>> train? We are Protestant
Dick, the pageant is typically sold out at least a year in advance. Why?
Because it is only performed once every 10 years.
That means tickets are hard to find.
Pat in TX
Pat
This is a joke, right? The "passion" in passion play is about the death of
Jesus.
Pat in TX
Gregory Morrow
> You are protestant so what ???!!!
Better protestant than a banlieu pervert parvenu such as you, dear Herr
scRunge...
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Tom P
> smile when they see your name.
Hohoho, Martin makes a snide, cutting remark.
Tim C.
<news:7l9hu5F...@mid.individual.net> :
> This is a joke, right? The "passion" in passion play is about the death of
> Jesus.
So was Jesus Christ, Superstar, but that was hardly a religious pilgrimage.
--
Tim C.
tim....
"Pat" <newi...@home.com> wrote in message
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Yes, why should that making going to see it a pilgrimage for members of a
specific religion?
tim
Valtsu
I was there 30 yrs ago, and still keep remembering it. There were four
of us driving around Bavaria, but for the Oberammergau event we left our
car at the hotel we were staying an hour or so away and did the rest by
train. The small village was crowded but well organised. We had our
tickets mailed beforehand. The trains were crowded as well, but they had
extra runs and longer than usual trains. According to http://www.db.de
trains still go there. I can't remember where we ordered the tickets
from, but http://www.passionplay-oberammergau.com/ seems to be in the
business and worth studying. Advance booking is a must.
In Germany it is not a buge deal if your are protestant or catholic.
It's not northern Ireland not to speak of Mecca and Medina, where strict
rules apply. The bavarian is a least to say challenging form of german,
but english is understood. The event itself is in biblical language, so
even Germans have a hard time to understgand. English and a few phrases
in german will make your trip fabulous.
michaelj
Not speaking German shouldn't matter, the performance is the
spectacle. You can either drive or take a train, from Italy via
Innsbruck to Garmish-Partenkirchen. The play does sell out well in
advance but there are a lot of package possibilities and tour
operators with transportation and without.
www.bargaintraveleurope.com/09/Germany_Oberammergau_Passion_Play.htm
http://www.passionplay-oberammergau.com/
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
erilar wrote:
> In article <XYmdnRwum_ipdXPX...@giganews.com>,
> "Dick Snyder" <REMOVEdi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, Oberammergau is in Germany (part of Europe) and we will be relatively
>> close when in the Italian Dolomites (also part of Europe). It seemed like a
>> good group to post this inquiry as we will be travelling in Europe for
>> recreation purposes. If this isn't the correct group, which one might you
>> suggest?
>
> This is the place to ask. You're getting some totally ridiculous replies.
>
Does anyone actually READ gRunge's posts? (He/she/it has been in MY
kill-file for years, since he/she/it never has anything of substance to
say.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
I think the OP was quite aware of that, Pat. (I assumed the operative
word in his "religious pilgrimage" comment was "pilgrimage".)
>
>
Pat
>> Pat: This is a joke, right? The "passion" in passion play is about the
>> death of Jesus.
>
> Yes, why should that making going to see it a pilgrimage for members
> of a specific religion?
>
> tim
Do yourself a favor and google the history of this passion play. It has a
specific meaning for Catholics. This isn't a commercial enterprise started
on a whim. It was begun as an oath to God.
Pat
tim....
perhaps it is.
But contrary (presumably) to your expectations I do know some Catholics and
none of them aspire to go to see the passion play for religious
enlightement.
tim
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> The cruellest cut of all?
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>
> Martin
>
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Dick Snyder
relative peace and quiet of the Dolomites in September. Thanks.
Dick Snyder
"erilar" <dra...@chibardun.net.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <geudndpjxcaidHPX...@giganews.com>,
> "Dick Snyder" <REMOVEdi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Have you been to Oberammergau to see the pagent? Can you give me some
>> advice
>> on the question I asked? Sorry for the previous reply to your post which
>> had
>> nothing to do with your response now that I re-read it.
>
> Are you planning to stay overnight? The chance of finding a place to
> sleep at short notice when the play is on is probably nil. Getting back
> to some other place afterwards by public transport could be difficult.
>
> Not understanding the actors' language is unlikely to make much
> difference as you probably wouldn't hear it all that clearly anyway.
> The pageant is based on the Bible; you could most likely follow the
> story without difficulty.
>
> Oberammergau is a neat, if rather touristy place to visit. I've never
> been there for the pageant, but I've been there several times in the
> past with students.
>
> --
> Erilar, biblioholic
We have been there in the past as well. Given a few comments about crowds
and other issues, I think we will not try to go.
Thanks.
Gregory Morrow
I'm pretty sure I'm just about the only one on *any* the newsgroups he
infests who bothers to reply to his scurvy self, Evelyn...
And yes, his nonsense is reliably "predictable", e.g. he is just as witless
and stupid as ever...
:-)
--
Best
Greg
Pat
I don't have any expectations. I am not even Catholic. The play is not for
"enlightenment"; it is for a deeper meaning of respecting the Oberammergau
citizens' piety and faithfulness to an oath made by their forefathers and
mothers. Not everything is started or continued for a commercial basis. Some
Catholics consider it as a pilgrimage; others do not. BTW: the pilgrimage to
Santiago de Compostela is probably not known to your Catholic friends,
either. That doesn't make it any less important to those who do take part.
Pat
tim....
erilar
"tim...." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> "Pat" <newi...@home.com> wrote in message
> news:7ldg8qF...@mid.individual.net...
BTW: the
> > pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela is probably not known to your
> > Catholic friends,
>
> Yes it is
It's also known to some non-Catholics, particularly medievalists 8-)
Tim C.
<news:drache-325C90....@news.eternal-september.org> :
> In article <7le3cqF...@mid.individual.net>,
> "tim...." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> "Pat" <newi...@home.com> wrote in message
>> news:7ldg8qF...@mid.individual.net...
>
> BTW: the
>>> pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela is probably not known to your
>>> Catholic friends,
>>
>> Yes it is
>
> It's also known to some non-Catholics, particularly medievalists 8-)
Even me.
I'd heard of the Ober'au passion as well but never knew it was a
pilgrimage. Which proves nothing, of course :-)
--
Tim C.
erilar
"Tim C." <spam...@tele2.at> wrote:
I was referring to Compostela, definitely a pilgrimage goal.
Tim C.
<news:drache-E04974....@news.eternal-september.org> :
> In article <1netseiiw1iwg.pwfef41gxixi$.d...@40tude.net>,
> "Tim C." <spam...@tele2.at> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:22:37 -0600, erilar wrote in post :
>> <news:drache-325C90....@news.eternal-september.org> :
>>
>>> In article <7le3cqF...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "tim...." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Pat" <newi...@home.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7ldg8qF...@mid.individual.net...
>>>
>>> BTW: the
>>>>> pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela is probably not known to your
>>>>> Catholic friends,
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is
>>>
>>> It's also known to some non-Catholics, particularly medievalists 8-)
>>
>> Even me.
>> I'd heard of the Ober'au passion as well but never knew it was a
>> pilgrimage. Which proves nothing, of course :-)
>
> I was referring to Compostela, definitely a pilgrimage goal.
I know :-)
--
Tim C.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
erilar wrote:
> In article <1netseiiw1iwg.pwfef41gxixi$.d...@40tude.net>,
> "Tim C." <spam...@tele2.at> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:22:37 -0600, erilar wrote in post :
>> <news:drache-325C90....@news.eternal-september.org> :
>>
>>> In article <7le3cqF...@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "tim...." <tims_n...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Pat" <newi...@home.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:7ldg8qF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> BTW: the
>>>>> pilgrimage to Santiago de Compostela is probably not known to your
>>>>> Catholic friends,
>>>> Yes it is
>>> It's also known to some non-Catholics, particularly medievalists 8-)
>> Even me.
>> I'd heard of the Ober'au passion as well but never knew it was a
>> pilgrimage. Which proves nothing, of course :-)
>
> I was referring to Compostela, definitely a pilgrimage goal.
Actually, for a lot of us, our trips to Europe may involve a PERSONAL
"pilgrimage", even if they are not to religious sites! (Perhaps I
define "pilgrimage" a bit differently, since I am somewhat of an
agnostic, but hearing performances at some of the world's great opera
houses often took on the nature of a pilgrimage for me.)
>
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erilar
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Actually, for a lot of us, our trips to Europe may involve a PERSONAL
> "pilgrimage", even if they are not to religious sites! (Perhaps I
> define "pilgrimage" a bit differently, since I am somewhat of an
> agnostic, but hearing performances at some of the world's great opera
> houses often took on the nature of a pilgrimage for me.)
> >
Oh, that's true of many travelers. Most of my pilgrimage goals have
been historical sites, many involving castles, but one of the greatest
was Thingvellir in the wind and rain, all to myself after the rest of
the group had fled to the warm dry bus 8-)
Tim C.
<news:drache-868E17....@news.eternal-september.org> :
> but one of the greatest
> was Thingvellir in the wind and rain, all to myself
I can imagine how moody that must have been. Lovely. I don't know about you
but I get a greater sense of history when the weather's bad.
--
Tim C.
erilar
"Tim C." <spam...@tele2.at> wrote:
Well, it depends, but with certain ruins, as long as I'm not drenched
completely, it does work that way.
Pat
> In article <o3wac9yqiork.18...@40tude.net>,
> "Tim C." <spam...@tele2.at> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 06 Nov 2009 11:36:05 -0600, erilar wrote in post :
>> <news:drache-868E17....@news.eternal-september.org> :
>>
>>> but one of the greatest
>>> was Thingvellir in the wind and rain, all to myself
>>
>> I can imagine how moody that must have been. Lovely. I don't know
>> about you but I get a greater sense of history when the weather's
>> bad.
>
> Well, it depends, but with certain ruins, as long as I'm not drenched
> completely, it does work that way.
I felt the same way about Cashel castle in Ireland. I was there on a lightly
raining day.
Pat in TX
tim....
does Ireland have any other type of day?
tim
Giovanni Drogo
> does Ireland have any other type of day?
I had the luck of 15 days in Ireland without significant rain.
On the other hand I remember a visit to a Roman fort of Hadrian's wall
near Carlisle under pouring rain.
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>> I felt the same way about Cashel castle in Ireland. I was there on a
>> lightly raining day.
>
> does Ireland have any other type of day?
>
> tim
Yep. I spent 14 days and only had 3 of rain. OTOH, it was a welcome respite
from the wind we get in Texas!
Pat