[HERO IN FALLUJAH: Marine Rolled on Top of Grenade to Save Rest of Squad]
Frank Matthews
> Grenade to Save Rest of Squad
>
> Dep: This is like something out of a John Wayne movie. Funny how I
> didn't hear about this on the news.
>
> Subject: Hero
>
> Author: MARK A JOHNSON
>
> Date: 12/16/2004 3:02 PM
>
> HERO IN FALLUJAH: Marine Rolled on Top of Grenade to Save Rest of
> Squad
>
> Posted Dec 16, 2004
>
> "It's stuff you hear about in boot camp, about World War II and Tarawa
> Marines who won the Medal of Honor," Lance Corporal Rob Rogers of the
> 1st Battalion, 3rd Marine Regiment told the Army Times. Corporal
> Rogers was describing the actions of his fellow Marine, Sgt. Rafael
> Peralta, a Mexican immigrant who enlisted in the Marine Corps the day
> he received his green card.
>
> Most readers of this column probably haven't heard about Rafael
> Peralta. With the exception of the Los Angeles Times, most of our
> mainstream media haven't bothered to write about him. The next time
> you log onto the Internet, do a Google search on Rafael Peralta. As of
> this writing, the Internet's most used search engine will provide you
> with only 26 citations from news sources that have bothered to write
> about this heroic young man. Then, just for giggles, do a Google
> search on Pablo Paredes. Hundreds of media outlets have written about
> him. The wire services have blasted his story to thousands of
> newspapers. Television and radio debate programs gladly provide the
> public with talking heads that can speak eloquently on the actions of
> Pablo Paredes.
>
> You see, Pablo Paredes, a Navy Petty Officer 3rd Class, did something
> the liberal elites consider "heroic" and the media consider
> "newsworthy" - he defied an order. Last week, Paredes refused to board
> his ship bound for Iraq along with 5,000 other sailors and Marines. He
> showed up on the pier wearing a black tee shirt that read, ``Like a
> Cabinet member, I resign.''
>
> We know this because Petty Officer Pablo Paredes had the courtesy and
> forethought to notify the local media that he would commit an act of
> cowardice the following day. Perhaps he hoped to follow the lead of
> another famous war protestor who went on to become a U.S. Senator and
> his party's presidential nominee by throwing away his military medals.
> Petty Officer Paredes stopped short of trashing his military I.D. in
> front of the cameras because he said he didn't want to be charged with
> the destruction of government property. The media, we are promised,
> will continue to follow this story intently.
>
> It is a shame that the media focus on such acts when they could tell
> stories about real heroes like Rafael Peralta who "saved the life of
> my son and every Marine in that room," according to Garry Morrison the
> father of a Marine in Peralta's unit - Lance Cpl. Adam Morrison.
>
> On the morning of November 15, 2004, the men of 1st Battalion, 3rd
> Marines awoke before sunrise and continued what they had been doing
> for seven days previously - cleansing the city of Fallujah of
> terrorists house by house.
>
> At the fourth house they encountered that morning the Marines kicked
> in the door and "cleared" the front rooms, but then noticed a locked
> door off to the side that required inspection. Sgt. Rafael Peralta
> threw open the closed door, but behind it were three terrorists with
> AK-47s. Peralta was hit in the head and chest with multiple shots at
> close range.
>
> Peralta's fellow Marines had to step over his body to continue the
> shootout with the terrorists. As the firefight raged on, a "yellow,
> foreign-made, oval-shaped grenade," as Lance Corporal Travis Kaemmerer
> described it, rolled into the room where they were all standing and
> came to a stop near Peralta's body.
>
> But Sgt. Rafael Peralta wasn't dead - yet. This young immigrant of 25
> years, who enlisted in the Marines when he received his green card,
> who volunteered for the front line duty in Fallujah, had one last act
> of heroism in him.
>
> Sgt. Rafael Peralta was the polar opposite of Pablo Paredes, the Petty
> Officer who turned his back on his shipmates and mocked his commander
> in chief. Peralta was proud to serve his adopted country. In his
> parent's home, on his bedroom walls hung only three items - a copy of
> the United States Constitution, the Bill of Rights and his boot camp
> graduation certificate. Before he set out for Fallujah, he wrote to
> his 14-year old brother, "be proud of me, bro...and be proud of being
> an American."
>
> Not only can Rafael's family be proud of him, but his fellow Marines
> are alive because of him. As Sgt. Rafael Peralta lay near death on the
> floor of a Fallujah terrorist hideout, he spotted the yellow grenade
> that had rolled next to his near-lifeless body. Once detonated, it
> would take out the rest of Peralta's squad. To save his fellow
> Marines, Peralta reached out, grabbed the grenade, and tucked it under
> his abdomen where it exploded.
>
> "Most of the Marines in the house were in the immediate area of the
> grenade," Cpl. Kaemmerer said. "We will never forget the second chance
> at life that Sgt. Peralta gave us."
>
> Unfortunately, unlike Pablo Paredes, Sgt. Rafael Peralta will get
> little media coverage. He is unlikely to have books written about him
> or movies made about his extraordinarily selfless sacrifice. But he is
> likely to receive the Medal of Honor. And that Medal of Honor is
> likely to be displayed next to the only items that hung on his bedroom
> wall - the Constitution, Bill of Rights and his Boot Camp graduation
> certificate.
>
> Yes, Virginia, there are still heroes in America, and Sgt. Rafael
> Peralta was one of them. It's just too bad the media can't recognize
> them.
Treemoss2
A salute to Rafael Peralta. He was all he could be.
Deep Frayed Morgues
>A hero for sure. This is what men do for us and for each other in Iraq.
>A salute to Rafael Peralta. He was all he could be.
May he rest in pieces.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
vpu...@hotmail.com
soldier, and I think he knew what he was doing when decided to
participate to an injuste war.
I'm infinitely more sed for the thousands of civils, women, childrens
that are violated, killed, tortured by your army, for the unique reason
that Bush decided to stole their petrol.
Do you know how many innocent civil iraquies are dying every day in
Fallujah under U.S. bombing? Do you have a thought for any of them? Or
as they are not Americans their lives have no value for you?
This is a "Travel in EuropeW Forum, so pleas avoid annoying us with
your stupid american patriottism.
Valeria
Calif Bill
<vpu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1104105243.9...@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
And how many Iraq Women and Children died daily under the rule of Saddam.
Killed using money he got from the Oil For Food program that Mr Chirac and
other Europeans made millions of Euros from. How many women and children
are being killed by terrorists? Drivers fuel trucks and cars made into
bombs? I watch BBC and other European news stations at times and they seem
to be very slanted on their reporting. Show a dead or injured and say it
was American military, or a doctor accusing the American Military of the
damage. Where are the reports on IED's? On car bombs? On Truck Bombs? On
Muslim terrorism on other Muslims vs a vs Algeria?
Calif Bill
"Magda" <egla...@unesourisverte.com> wrote in message
news:3bevs0dta1ncpatev...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:27:41 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"
> <bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
this :
>
> ... And how many Iraq Women and Children died daily under the rule of
Saddam.
> ... Killed using money he got from the Oil For Food program that Mr
Chirac and
> ... other Europeans made millions of Euros from. How many women and
children
> ... are being killed by terrorists? Drivers fuel trucks and cars made
into
> ... bombs? I watch BBC and other European news stations at times and
they seem
> ... to be very slanted on their reporting. Show a dead or injured and
say it
> ... was American military, or a doctor accusing the American Military of
the
> ... damage. Where are the reports on IED's? On car bombs? On Truck
Bombs? On
> ... Muslim terrorism on other Muslims vs a vs Algeria?
>
> So, you didn't go there stop the hecatombe at all - you are there because
you want a slice
> of the cake ! Nice reason to let people die... Oh, silly me, they are
*not* people -
> un-americans are not "people"... :ppppppppp
>
Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Algeria should be a French problem,
Why are they only acting in the other part of Africa where they have
business interests? And maybe we should make sure oil supplies stays
somewhat stable. Seems to affect Europe a lot also. And we are both going
to lose economically to Asia.
Calif Bill
"nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:aijvs0p8af861anu7...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 27 Dec 2004 01:27:41 GMT, "Calif Bill"
> <bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>
> > I watch BBC and other European news stations at times and they seem
> >to be very slanted on their reporting.
>
>
> >Show a dead or injured and say it
> >was American military, or a doctor accusing the American Military of the
> >damage. Where are the reports on IED's? On car bombs? On Truck Bombs?
On
> >Muslim terrorism on other Muslims vs a vs Algeria?
>
>
> --
> Martin
Objective Reporting? Mostly slanted to Englands or what ever other country
is broadcasting the "news".
Anonymous
to depose an open supporter of terrorism.
saddam made no secret of his cash support for homicide bombers
Magda wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:27:19 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"
> <bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
>
> ... Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Algeria should be a French problem,
> ... Why are they only acting in the other part of Africa where they have
> ... business interests? And maybe we should make sure oil supplies stays
> ... somewhat stable. Seems to affect Europe a lot also. And we are both going
> ... to lose economically to Asia.
>
> Trying to drown the fish, aren't you ?
>
> Did you go there to free the people or to get their oil ? Hint : it can't be both !
>
--
To live outside the law, you must be honest...
(Absolutely Sweet Marie - Blonde on Blonde - 1966)
ARKADYA
the Palestinians and Palestine. Everyone knows the Jewish version and the Arab
version. But there is a third side, that of those who lived there and still do
-- the Israeli Arabs.
Some Jews want us out of Israel, and some Arabs believe that we are an
extension of the Zionists. Yet we Israeli Arabs keep our culture and
traditions. Mahshy, or stuffed grape leaves, remains our favorite meal. We
love Arabic music; we sing old folk songs, including "Wein aa Ramallah" about a
famous Palestinian city, and songs from all over the Arab world. We are unique
among the Arabs, though. We have vested interests on both sides -- and are
angry at both sides.
Israeli Arabs have lived alongside Jews for as long as this generation can
remember. We became Israeli citizens in 1948. Before that, the region wasn't
quite as divided. Families lived in an area that includes the West Bank, Gaza,
and Amman, and in other Arab cities in areas where borders were created later.
We were divided by boundaries set by the Europeans, and those within the
boundaries of Israel became "Israeli Arabs". Now, these Arabs are the
unwanted, unloved, illegitimate, and have become the biracial step-child of the
Middle East conflict. We have to apologize for our very existence.
Misinformation surrounds the story of 1948. Palestinians who fled their homes
are angry, bitter and distraught. No one can blame them. Yet they seem to
have been taught who they are supposed to hate, who is the guilty party and who
should be punished for their problems. People's memories are so short. It is
easier to focus on one enemy – especially an enemy who does not belong to the
same "tribe" -- than to analyze a complex situation such as the Palestinian
refugee disaster.
It is nt my intent to discuss who belongs in that tiny region called Israel,
but I will risk being shunned by my own community to set the record straight.
The question is: why did Arabs flee the area that became Israel? After all,
the ones who remained in their homes still live there today and prosper.
The fact is that the Arab world warned the Palestinians against staying with
the Jews. They also warned them that Arabs were going in to fight the Zionists
and that the Palestinians should leave to avoid getting hurt.
Many Palestinians trusted these Arab leaders and left as instructed. Those who
had lived with Jews for a long time were not as easily convinced of the danger,
and these Arabs stayed home. Among them was my family, which saw cars
traveling the area. The cars contained Jews. They reassured Arabs that they
would not be harmed. Thus, we had a situation where Jews begged Arabs to stay
and live with them, while Arabs from foreign countries told them to leave right
away.
Palestinians have gotten the short end of the stick in Arab society. It suits
Arab leaders to keep this group in a state of poverty and conflict, and to
channel all resentment toward the Jews. You don't believe me? Ask yourself
why Jordan or Egypt or Syria never gave the Palestinians a country? If I hear
another non-Palestinian, especially an American Muslim, repeat the phrase "over
50 years of the Zionist occupation," I'm going to burst. Can no one actually
read history? It’s not ancient history, just 1948-1967. Who had that land?
Even if Arabs want Palestinians to have "all" the land, this is no excuse for
denying them an independent state. And yet, we blame Israel!
As a child, I watched a Syrian play about the war of October 1973. A famous
Syrian comedian played a young man who fought in the war and was taken
prisoner. After his release, he was detained by his own government. At one
point, the guards slapped him and he started crying.
“Why are you crying?” asked a fellow prisoner, deeply puzzled. “That was
only a slap. I've seen the enemies do much more to you, and you just laughed
it off.”
The comedian replied, “The enemy is an enemy, and I expect that of them. Yes,
a slap is only a slap -- but from a brother, it's a slap in the heart.”
Let's take this a step further. The Arab world pretends to care, watching a
young Palestinian get killed by Israel on TV, justifying Jew-hatred right
before they go to their cozy beds. This is the Arab world that has taught
Palestinians to fight, and yet it will not give them citizenship. Where is
that love -- or, for that matter, where is the passion used to justify the
Palestinian issue?
Let's go to the refugees. Arab governments first used scare tactics, and then
took whatever they could get from the United States and Israel. Finally, they
stuck Palestinians in camps with deplorable living conditions. Why didn't they
leave them alone in their homes? Why promise them refuge and reward them with
nothing more than prison camps? And, most of all, why didn't they provide
Palestinians with homes in the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights when Arabs
had control over them?
Please do not speak of money. Palestinian refugees receive aid from all over
the world, and yet their living conditions don’t seem to improve. The
"hosting" governments siphon off some money to line their pockets, and the
Palestinian Authority -- or lack of it -- siphons off the rest … and the poor
people get nothing.
As a Palestinian, I ask the world to please stop exploiting our issue. If you
want a do a good deed, find your own. There is nothing dreamy aboutTo the
singers romanticizing Palestinian suffering, it is not romantic. T it.
Where’s the heroism in a small child throwing rocks at a tank? Either warn
the child to stay away or just shut up! How dare you do this to our children?
Does our suffering give you such good video footage and high ratings?
To the average Arab citizen,stop crying crocodile tears for us. We thank you
for your kind feelings, but please, don’t offer us your pity. To the Arab
and Islamic governments, fix your own problems. Do not use our misery to blind
your subjects to domestic problems. Are you afraid that the people will wise
up, and stop hating Israel, and turn on you? You, who have condoned so much
hatred, may one day pay the price. You've created monsters, and you won't be
able to handle them. Worry about creating jobs for your own poor people and
educating the children, and leave us alone. In short, to all those invested in
driving our children to die, please, stay away from us."
Never Forgive, Never Forget
9-11-01
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
>On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 17:06:57 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Anonymous <any...@nowhere.com>
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
>
> ... actually it was choice C
> ...
> ... to depose an open supporter of terrorism.
> ...
> ... saddam made no secret of his cash support for homicide bombers
>
>That was done more than a year ago. What about going home and allowing them to take care
>of themselves ?
Right moron. Why don't you Frogs follow your own advice and get out
of all of those African countries you've invaded over the years,
including the Ivory Coast right now? Oh that's right, you leave one
of your colossal messes like Vietnam behind if you did that wouldn't
you? Just like you're advocating that we do that with Iraq. Real
brain surgeon aren't you?
>
>Oh, right, you can't... You are still waiting to be paid for your "kindness", your
>"altruism", your "generosity"... many barrels full of black gold coming your way, huh ?
Uh, we don't get much of anything in oil from Iraq you senseless twit.
Oh and haven't you conveniently forgotten that it was Frog Oil that
was trying to do all those contracts with Saddam, bribes and all not
US companies?
>
>That's back to choice B, darling.
No, M for moron for you.
Calif Bill
"Magda" <egla...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:lue2t0hc29dg4fnnv...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Dec 2004 03:27:19 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"> ... Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Algeria should be a French
problem,
> ... Why are they only acting in the other part of Africa where they have
> ... business interests? And maybe we should make sure oil supplies stays
> ... somewhat stable. Seems to affect Europe a lot also. And we are both
going
> ... to lose economically to Asia.
>
> Trying to drown the fish, aren't you ?
>
> Did you go there to free the people or to get their oil ? Hint : it can't
be both !
>
Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you attack us
you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the previous 8 years.
Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1, couple of
military barracks.
ARKADYA
releif effort.
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:45:00 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"
><bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ...
> ... Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you attack us
> ... you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the previous 8 years.
> ... Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1, couple of
> ... military barracks.
>
>You better send a message to those who exasperated the Muslim to the point where they sent
>kamikazes to two towers in NY... Just to nip it in the bud, you know.
Yeah, don't exasperate the Muslims.
Deep Frayed Morgues
wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:45:00 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"
><bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ...
> ... Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you attack us
> ... you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the previous 8 years.
> ... Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1, couple of
> ... military barracks.
>
>You better send a message to those who exasperated the Muslim to the point where they sent
>kamikazes to two towers in NY... Just to nip it in the bud, you know.
A change in US foreign policy? No, that would send a message that
Muslims.... sorry..... terrorists can affect a nation with terrorist
acts. No government defines its foreign policy basic on the acts of a
few extremists.
Deep Frayed Morgues
Ummm... they didn't come from Iraq, y'know.
Oh, and to state the obvious... YOU STILL HAVEN'T CAUGHT OSAMA BIN
LADEN YET!!!!! WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND????
Yeeeessssirrrreee, if you kill thousands of Americans, America will
retailiate by 'sending a message'. Savage stuff.
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:02:14 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Frayed Morgues
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this :
>
> ... On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:27:50 +0100, Magda <egla...@hotmail.com>
> ... wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:45:00 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"
> ... ><bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you attack us
> ... > ... you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the previous 8 years.
> ... > ... Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1, couple of
> ... > ... military barracks.
> ... >
> ... >You better send a message to those who exasperated the Muslim to the point where they sent
> ... >kamikazes to two towers in NY... Just to nip it in the bud, you know.
> ...
> ... A change in US foreign policy? No, that would send a message that
> ... Muslims.... sorry..... terrorists can affect a nation with terrorist
> ... acts. No government defines its foreign policy basic on the acts of a
> ... few extremists.
>
>Fine by me. But if they don't change their policy (a nose reduction would be nice) I hope
>they have a couple of towers to spare. And next time they ask "Why uuuuuussssss" you and
>Billy will be the ones appointed to explain "why theeeeeeeem".
>
>I'm buying my ticket.
Yeah, a nose reduction would really exasperate the terrorists wouldn't
it?
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
> Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you attack us
> you may die!
From the point of view of the extremists, that's usually a bonus. What
then?
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Deep Frayed Morgues
wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:02:14 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Frayed Morgues
><deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
>this :
>
> ... On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 10:27:50 +0100, Magda <egla...@hotmail.com>
> ... wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:45:00 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"
> ... ><bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you attack us
> ... > ... you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the previous 8 years.
> ... > ... Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1, couple of
> ... > ... military barracks.
> ... >
> ... >You better send a message to those who exasperated the Muslim to the point where they sent
> ... >kamikazes to two towers in NY... Just to nip it in the bud, you know.
> ...
> ... A change in US foreign policy? No, that would send a message that
> ... Muslims.... sorry..... terrorists can affect a nation with terrorist
> ... acts. No government defines its foreign policy basic on the acts of a
> ... few extremists.
>
>Fine by me. But if they don't change their policy (a nose reduction would be nice) I hope
>they have a couple of towers to spare. And next time they ask "Why uuuuuussssss" you and
>Billy will be the ones appointed to explain "why theeeeeeeem".
Even at this point, Magda, you cannot say for certain that a change in
US foreign policy would make any difference.
(not that the US has a foreign policy to speak of)
>I'm buying my ticket.
And I will have marshmallows to roast by the friendly fire.
Deep Frayed Morgues
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>Calif Bill <bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>> Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you attack us
>> you may die!
>
>From the point of view of the extremists, that's usually a bonus. What
>then?
Then everybody wins.
Bush gets re-elected, the Americans take their revenge, and Bin Laden
goes from strength to strength.
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
[]
> A third time ?? You kidding.
Yes- even Bush wouldn't be able to side-swipe the constitution _that_
way. Besides, for the Bush family, it was all about getting elected for
the _second_ time. In that respect, he's won- and I imagine he'll be
bored of the job in a year or two.
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:40:22 +0000, in rec.travel.europe,
>this_address...@yahoo.com (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn)
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... Magda <egla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ...
> ... []
> ... > A third time ?? You kidding.
> ...
> ... Yes- even Bush wouldn't be able to side-swipe the constitution _that_
> ... way. Besides, for the Bush family, it was all about getting elected for
> ... the _second_ time. In that respect, he's won- and I imagine he'll be
> ... bored of the job in a year or two.
>
>Hope not - when he is bored he wants to play war and kill people.
>We should give him some of those small lead soldiers to play with - with a bit of luck he
>will swallow one.
Then you wouldn't have anything to play with would you Maggot?
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
[]
> Then you wouldn't have anything to play with would you Maggot?
That you don't see the irony...
j...@piasystems.com
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
><j...@piasystems.com> wrote:
>
>[]
>> Then you wouldn't have anything to play with would you Maggot?
>
>That you don't see the irony...
Of what? Mindless Bush bashers who favorite little politician got his
assed kicked so they post their vile comments?
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:47:34 +0000, in rec.travel.europe,
>this_address...@yahoo.com (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn)
>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... <j...@piasystems.com> wrote:
> ...
> ... []
> ... > Then you wouldn't have anything to play with would you Maggot?
> ...
> ... That you don't see the irony...
>
>He is too thick to see irony - or anything else. Many times I made him know that he is a
>permanent resident in my killfile, he is still talking to me. LOL
And you keep posting don't you you mindless ass? Never answers why
the Frogs invade relentlessly African countries (only ones where they
remotely have a chance of winning) or telling us why Total salivated
over Iraqi oil all those years yet, of all things, this moron likes to
babble about how US companies are after Iraqi oil, etc. etc. Truth
is, in her mindless morbid little world she dreams up
Maggot in Wonderland fantasies that she loves to post to show what a
complete fool she is. But, after all, when her wonderlessly
incompetent government manages to foster the deaths of about 11,000
people in their great universal healthcare system and send live
explosives onto aircraft that they then lose and cannot find, who
would expect anything less?
j...@piasystems.com
>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:55:46 +0100, Magda <egla...@hotmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:47:34 +0000, in rec.travel.europe,
>>this_address...@yahoo.com (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn)
>>arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>>
>> ... <j...@piasystems.com> wrote:
>> ...
>> ... []
>> ... > Then you wouldn't have anything to play with would you Maggot?
>> ...
>> ... That you don't see the irony...
>>
>>He is too thick to see irony - or anything else. Many times I made him know that he is a
>>permanent resident in my killfile, he is still talking to me. LOL
>
>Yeah, but you are still peeping :-)
Isn't she though? Can't get a date so she has to peep on others.
Go Fig
<j...@piasystems.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 23:55:46 +0100, Magda <egla...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 22:47:34 +0000, in rec.travel.europe,
> >this_address...@yahoo.com (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th'
> >barn)
> >arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> >
> > ... <j...@piasystems.com> wrote:
> > ...
> > ... []
> > ... > Then you wouldn't have anything to play with would you Maggot?
> > ...
> > ... That you don't see the irony...
> >
> >He is too thick to see irony - or anything else. Many times I made him know
> >that he is a
> >permanent resident in my killfile, he is still talking to me. LOL
>
> And you keep posting don't you you mindless ass? Never answers why
> the Frogs invade relentlessly African countries (only ones where they
> remotely have a chance of winning) or telling us why Total salivated
> over Iraqi oil all those years yet, of all things, this moron likes to
> babble about how US companies are after Iraqi oil, etc. etc.
Come, come... the French Gov. dug deep into her pockets and found a
whopping $136k to aid the disaster relief in Asia, this while other
countries were already in the millions.
jay
Wed Dec 29, 2004
mailto:go...@mac.com
Calif Bill
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 03:45:00 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"> ... Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you
attack us
> ... you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the previous 8
years.
> ... Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1, couple of
> ... military barracks.
>
> You better send a message to those who exasperated the Muslim to the point
where they sent
>
Maybe the French ought to make amends for all the Muslim terrorists they
created in Algeria and other former colonies. What are you going to do when
you become a muslim country? They are advancing towards majority status
there.
Calif Bill
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 21:11:03 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Frayed
Morgues
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so
they looked like
> this :
>
in
> ... US foreign policy would make any difference.
>
> Hey, don't lose hope...
>
> ... (not that the US has a foreign policy to speak of)
> ...
> ... >I'm buying my ticket.
> ...
> ... And I will have marshmallows to roast by the friendly fire.
>
> I'll bring sandwiches and coffee. :)
>
And you will be watching your country have attacks from those you upset with
your foreign policy of attacking the Ivory Coast to support the pseudo
colony.
Calif Bill
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:05:26 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Frayed
Morgues
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so
they looked like
> this :
>
>
> ... >Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you
attack us
> ... >you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the previous 8
years.
> ... >Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1, couple
of
> ... >military barracks.
> ...
> ... Ummm... they didn't come from Iraq, y'know.
>
> No, he does not. He is an ameeeeeeeeeeerican ! He forgot who Ben Laden is.
LOL
>
> ... Oh, and to state the obvious... YOU STILL HAVEN'T CAUGHT OSAMA BIN
> ... LADEN YET!!!!! WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND????
> ...
> ... Yeeeessssirrrreee, if you kill thousands of Americans, America will
> ... retailiate by 'sending a message'. Savage stuff.
> ... --
> ... ---
> ... DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
> ... ---
>
Maybe he is on the short list. They set off a nuclear device in America,
there will be very little of the middle east left. The "Silent Majority" of
this country will get upset, and require the use of all those nasty devices
we have invested lots of money in. May end your Muslim problem also. You
do remember that Mohammedan's were at the doors of Paris a few centuries
ago. It will be funny when Magda, says burkas are fine.
Calif Bill
"chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn"
news:1gpkipo.fbgcvel6tmm8N%this_address...@yahoo.com...
They do not do it a second time.
Calif Bill
> On Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:02:14 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Frayed
Morgues
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so
they looked like
> this :
>
> ... ><bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they
looked like this :
> ... > ...
> ... > ... Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if
you attack us
> ... > ... you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the
previous 8 years.
> ... > ... Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1,
couple of
> ... > ... military barracks.
> ... >
> ... >You better send a message to those who exasperated the Muslim to the
point where they sent
> ... >kamikazes to two towers in NY... Just to nip it in the bud, you
know.
> ...
> ... A change in US foreign policy? No, that would send a message that
> ... Muslims.... sorry..... terrorists can affect a nation with terrorist
> ... acts. No government defines its foreign policy basic on the acts of a
> ... few extremists.
>
> Fine by me. But if they don't change their policy (a nose reduction would
be nice) I hope
> they have a couple of towers to spare. And next time they ask "Why
uuuuuussssss" you and
> Billy will be the ones appointed to explain "why theeeeeeeem".
>
>
A nose reduction? You are nuts. And are you upset because France did not
get the Iraqi oil they lusted after. Which African Country are you
attacking next week? Did a great job in the Ivory Coast.
Miguel Cruz
> Come, come... the French Gov. dug deep into her pockets and found a
> whopping $136k to aid the disaster relief in Asia, this while other
> countries were already in the millions.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/30/content_2394217.htm
"France declared Wednesday that it is to allocate 15 million euros (about
19.5 million dollars) as international aid to the tsunami-hit countries."
That is (as usual) more per-capita than the USA.
miguel
--
Hit The Road! Photos from 32 countries on 5 continents: http://travel.u.nu
Calif Bill
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:35:56 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"> ... Maybe the French ought to make amends for all the Muslim terrorists
they
> ... created in Algeria and other former colonies. What are you going to
do when
> ... you become a muslim country? They are advancing towards majority
status
> ... there.
>
> Maybe you could stop trying to drown the fish and start assuming *your*
responsibilities.
> You had already 3.5 years to do it.
>
> Creating a silly diversion is not helping...
>
Dream on.
Calif Bill
"Miguel Cruz" <m...@admin.u.nu> wrote in message
news:Rt-dnTh4Jaw...@speakeasy.net...
> Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Come, come... the French Gov. dug deep into her pockets and found a
> > whopping $136k to aid the disaster relief in Asia, this while other
> > countries were already in the millions.
>
> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/30/content_2394217.htm
>
> "France declared Wednesday that it is to allocate 15 million euros
(about
> 19.5 million dollars) as international aid to the tsunami-hit
countries."
>
> That is (as usual) more per-capita than the USA.
>
> miguel
Well, you always say Europe is better than the rest of the world. That is
about what Chirac made from the Oil for Food program.
Go Fig
<m...@admin.u.nu> wrote:
> Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Come, come... the French Gov. dug deep into her pockets and found a
> > whopping $136k to aid the disaster relief in Asia, this while other
> > countries were already in the millions.
>
> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/30/content_2394217.htm
>
> "France declared Wednesday that it is to allocate 15 million euros (about
> 19.5 million dollars) as international aid to the tsunami-hit countries."
>
> That is (as usual) more per-capita than the USA.
Nice little contrived statistic, that means nothing.
France will not come close to the contribution of the U.S..
Tuesday, the U.S. started moving assets that are unique to the world
into Thailand waters and land bases. Principally, USS Abraham Lincoln
Carrier Task Force. When on station in just days, this group of ships
becomes the very best Hospital around, capable of producing 100k/day
gallons of fresh water from each of 5 ships and huge helicopter and
LCAT lift capabilities needed in these remote areas. The U.S. 18th Air
Force as of Monday, already had C-5 Galaxy (Flying Warehouse), C-17
Globemaster III, C-130 Hercules transporting pre-positioned relief
supplies.
All the money in the world can not produce these assets today, you must
have already made that investment... only the U.S. has done so.
The American Red Cross will tell you that millions of dollars are
pouring in from concerned Americans specifically for the "International
Response Fund"
Have you made a private individual contribution, or are you relying on
your government to help your fellow man, like your 'per capita'
statistic refers to ?
https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp
jay
Thu Dec 30, 2004
mailto:go...@mac.com
>
> miguel
Miguel Cruz
> Miguel Cruz <m...@admin.u.nu> wrote:
>> Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Come, come... the French Gov. dug deep into her pockets and found a
>>> whopping $136k to aid the disaster relief in Asia, this while other
>>> countries were already in the millions.
>>
>> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/30/content_2394217.htm
>>
>> "France declared Wednesday that it is to allocate 15 million euros (about
>> 19.5 million dollars) as international aid to the tsunami-hit countries."
>>
>> That is (as usual) more per-capita than the USA.
>
> Nice little contrived statistic, that means nothing.
Per-cap means everything if you are insinuating that France is as miserly as
the US is magnanimous.
You cannot have a discussion from the donor perspective on absolute terms
when one country has almost 5 times the population of the other.
Absolute amounts are of interest to the recipients but you are not the
recipient, you are just someone with a seemingly pathological need to insult
Europeans.
> The American Red Cross will tell you that millions of dollars are
> pouring in from concerned Americans specifically for the "International
> Response Fund"
>
> Have you made a private individual contribution, or are you relying on
> your government to help your fellow man, like your 'per capita'
> statistic refers to ?
I made my contribution (about a month's living expenses) to the Red Cross
yesterday, while you were busy masturbating over your Srebrenice dossiers.
That was for my own sentimental reasons. In no way do I think it reduces the
obligation of my government to pitch in.
Go Fig
<m...@admin.u.nu> wrote:
> Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
> > Miguel Cruz <m...@admin.u.nu> wrote:
> >> Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
> >>> Come, come... the French Gov. dug deep into her pockets and found a
> >>> whopping $136k to aid the disaster relief in Asia, this while other
> >>> countries were already in the millions.
> >>
> >> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/30/content_2394217.htm
> >>
> >> "France declared Wednesday that it is to allocate 15 million euros (about
> >> 19.5 million dollars) as international aid to the tsunami-hit countries."
> >>
> >> That is (as usual) more per-capita than the USA.
> >
> > Nice little contrived statistic, that means nothing.
>
> Per-cap means everything if you are insinuating that France is as miserly as
> the US is magnanimous.
Well then why not include at the very least, direct food product aid ?
To say nothing of the U.S. Navy and GPS
>
> You cannot have a discussion from the donor perspective on absolute terms
> when one country has almost 5 times the population of the other.
The U.S. Gov. gave 40% of all dollars for aid in 2003 worldwide.
You choose to use per-capita "GDP" (you left that out!), which plays
into historic anemic growth rates of many european countries.
>
> Absolute amounts are of interest to the recipients but you are not the
> recipient, you are just someone with a seemingly pathological need to insult
> Europeans.
spin away...I do not insult Europeans.
>
> > The American Red Cross will tell you that millions of dollars are
> > pouring in from concerned Americans specifically for the "International
> > Response Fund"
> >
> > Have you made a private individual contribution, or are you relying on
> > your government to help your fellow man, like your 'per capita'
> > statistic refers to ?
>
> I made my contribution (about a month's living expenses) to the Red Cross
> yesterday, while you were busy masturbating over your Srebrenice dossiers.
So this is what you have reduced the murder 8500 individuals a bunch of
papers ? Pathetic. But you do have your SUV priorities.
> That was for my own sentimental reasons. In no way do I think it reduces the
> obligation of my government to pitch in.
Like the huge amount that the U.S. Gov. is doing, that you painstaking
CUT from my post ?
Miguel Cruz
> Miguel Cruz <m...@admin.u.nu> wrote:
>> Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
>>> Miguel Cruz <m...@admin.u.nu> wrote:
>>>> Go Fig <go...@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>> Come, come... the French Gov. dug deep into her pockets and found a
>>>>> whopping $136k to aid the disaster relief in Asia, this while other
>>>>> countries were already in the millions.
>>>>
>>>> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-12/30/content_2394217.htm
>>>>
>>>> "France declared Wednesday that it is to allocate 15 million euros (about
>>>> 19.5 million dollars) as international aid to the tsunami-hit countries."
>>>>
>>>> That is (as usual) more per-capita than the USA.
>>>
>>> Nice little contrived statistic, that means nothing.
>>
>> Per-cap means everything if you are insinuating that France is as miserly as
>> the US is magnanimous.
>
> Well then why not include at the very least, direct food product aid ?
Lay out the numbers and we'll talk.
> To say nothing of the U.S. Navy and GPS
Good point, George Bush's decision to finally activate the much-anticipated
GPS system in response to the Asian tsunami disaster showed remarkable
generosity.
>> You cannot have a discussion from the donor perspective on absolute terms
>> when one country has almost 5 times the population of the other.
>
>The U.S. Gov. gave 40% of all dollars for aid in 2003 worldwide.
>
> You choose to use per-capita "GDP" (you left that out!), which plays
> into historic anemic growth rates of many european countries.
What are you talking about? I never mentioned GDP. I said "per capita" which
means "per person", as in "France gave more 'per person' than the USA."
>> Absolute amounts are of interest to the recipients but you are not the
>> recipient, you are just someone with a seemingly pathological need to insult
>> Europeans.
>
> spin away...I do not insult Europeans.
You have made a newsgroup career of it.
>> yesterday, while you were busy masturbating over your Srebrenice dossiers.
>
> So this is what you have reduced the murder 8500 individuals a bunch of
> papers ? Pathetic.
No, I am highlighting the caricature you have made of yourself. Sooner or
later, in every argument you have with a a European, you end up hauling out
some irrelevant historical note and changing the subject to how your
interlocutor has no moral standing to disagree with you because of something
his/her countrymen may or may not have done. You most commonly do it with
Srebrenice, but you've got a decent back catalog.
> But you do have your SUV priorities.
Cars kill over a million people to year. Puts terrorists, tsunamis, and
Dutch complacense at Srebrenice to shame. Get some perspective.
>> That was for my own sentimental reasons. In no way do I think it reduces the
>> obligation of my government to pitch in.
>
> Like the huge amount that the U.S. Gov. is doing, that you painstaking
> CUT from my post ?
My point is that the French amount is higher, on a per-capita basis, than
the US amount. You are welcome to repeat the US amount but it will fall
before that point just as readily as it did the first time.
Deep Frayed Morgues
wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:42:50 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"
><bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
>
> ... Maybe he is on the short list. They set off a nuclear device in America,
> ... there will be very little of the middle east left. The "Silent Majority" of
> ... this country will get upset, and require the use of all those nasty devices
> ... we have invested lots of money in. May end your Muslim problem also. You
> ... do remember that Mohammedan's were at the doors of Paris a few centuries
> ... ago. It will be funny when Magda, says burkas are fine.
>
>No use coming after me, Ben Laden is not hiding in my house. Go after him, oh brave
>mercan. You are 3.5 years late.
The pattern is always the same. Mention Bin Laden, they change the
subject, and act big and scary.
It's a bit embarrasing to watch.
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Deep Frayed Morgues
wrote:
>
>I wonder what you will say to those people who died on September 2001. "We promised to
>avenge your death but we got busy with other things and forgot about you"...?
"...but we killed a lot of people that kinda looked liked Bin
Laden.... if you put beards on them, and squint enough"
Deep Frayed Morgues
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4135099.stm
"France: $20.4m"
...and once again we see Jay telling a complete lie.
j...@piasystems.com
>>
>>Come, come... the French Gov. dug deep into her pockets and found a
>>whopping $136k to aid the disaster relief in Asia, this while other
>>countries were already in the millions.
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4135099.stm
>"France: $20.4m"
>
>...and once again we see Jay telling a complete lie.
>--
>---
>DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
>---
Yeah, but that is only for the bribes they want to pay.
Go Fig
Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
When did that pledge come? reply for other cause I'm on hiatus from
your posts.
Deep Frayed Morgues
Jay, does it bother you that Miguel is respected far more in this
newsgroup than you by any chance?
--
---
DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
---
--
Padraig Breathnach
>Nice little contrived statistic, that means nothing.
>
>France will not come close to the contribution of the U.S..
>
>Tuesday, the U.S. started moving assets that are unique to the world
>into Thailand waters and land bases. Principally, USS Abraham Lincoln
>Carrier Task Force. When on station in just days, this group of ships
>becomes the very best Hospital around, capable of producing 100k/day
>gallons of fresh water from each of 5 ships and huge helicopter and
>LCAT lift capabilities needed in these remote areas. The U.S. 18th Air
>Force as of Monday, already had C-5 Galaxy (Flying Warehouse), C-17
>Globemaster III, C-130 Hercules transporting pre-positioned relief
>supplies.
>
>All the money in the world can not produce these assets today, you must
>have already made that investment... only the U.S. has done so.
>
>The American Red Cross will tell you that millions of dollars are
>pouring in from concerned Americans specifically for the "International
>Response Fund"
>
>Have you made a private individual contribution, or are you relying on
>your government to help your fellow man, like your 'per capita'
>statistic refers to ?
>
>https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp
>
You know, Jay, I thought you were a troll. Now I know better: you are
a grade 1 shit.
--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED
Go Fig
<egla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:28:40 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, Deep Frayed Morgues
> <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> arranged some electrons, so they
> looked like
> this :
>
> ... On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 07:50:46 +0100, Magda <egla...@hotmail.com>
> ... wrote:
> ...
> ... >On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:42:50 GMT, in rec.travel.europe, "Calif Bill"
> ... ><bmckee...@ix.netcom.com> arranged some electrons, so they looked
> like this :
> ... >
> ... >
> ... > ... Maybe he is on the short list. They set off a nuclear device in
> America,
> ... > ... there will be very little of the middle east left. The "Silent
> Majority" of
> ... > ... this country will get upset, and require the use of all those
> nasty devices
> ... > ... we have invested lots of money in. May end your Muslim problem
> also. You
> ... > ... do remember that Mohammedan's were at the doors of Paris a few
> centuries
> ... > ... ago. It will be funny when Magda, says burkas are fine.
> ... >
> ... >No use coming after me, Ben Laden is not hiding in my house. Go after
> him, oh brave
> ... >mercan. You are 3.5 years late.
> ...
> ... The pattern is always the same. Mention Bin Laden, they change the
> ... subject, and act big and scary.
>
> Quite. Can you see me trembling with fear ? LOL
>
> ... It's a bit embarrasing to watch.
>
> They are/look ashamed but won't do anything about it. It's pathetic.
As he may be in Iran or Pakistan, what would you suggest ?
Miguel Cruz
> Magda <egla...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>> They are/look ashamed but won't do anything about it. It's pathetic.
>
> As he may be in Iran or Pakistan, what would you suggest ?
Seems obvious to me: Attack Iraq.
Dave Smith
>
> >>
> >> Did you go there to free the people or to get their oil ? Hint : it can't
> >be both !
> >>
> >
> >Maybe neither. Send a message to Muslim extremists, that if you attack us
> >you may die! They were getting free shots at us for the previous 8 years.
> >Couple of embassies, USS Cole, World Trade Center attack 1, couple of
> >military barracks.
>
> Ummm... they didn't come from Iraq, y'know.
>
> Oh, and to state the obvious... YOU STILL HAVEN'T CAUGHT OSAMA BIN
> LADEN YET!!!!! WHAT KIND OF MESSAGE DOES THAT SEND????
>
> Yeeeessssirrrreee, if you kill thousands of Americans, America will
> retailiate by 'sending a message'. Savage stuff.
>
The big question is who they will be sending the message to. I must recommend
Richard Clarke's book "Against All Enemies:Inside the American War on Terror".
Written by the former anti terrorism czar it is one of the most damning pieces I
have read of the Bush administration and their mishandling of the terrorist
threat. Despite the advice of their top anti terrorism advisors, Bush and his
guys were determined that there was a link between Iraq and the major terrorist
threats. Their action in Afghanistan was too slow and half hearted. They gave al
Queada time to escape and put too few troops in the country to be effective.
Instead, they held back, because they were planning on attacking Iraq.
Deep Frayed Morgues
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>The big question is who they will be sending the message to. I must recommend
>Richard Clarke's book "Against All Enemies:Inside the American War on Terror".
>Written by the former anti terrorism czar it is one of the most damning pieces I
>have read of the Bush administration and their mishandling of the terrorist
>threat. Despite the advice of their top anti terrorism advisors, Bush and his
>guys were determined that there was a link between Iraq and the major terrorist
>threats. Their action in Afghanistan was too slow and half hearted. They gave al
>Queada time to escape and put too few troops in the country to be effective.
>Instead, they held back, because they were planning on attacking Iraq.
Bush still got re-elected. He must be doing something right. I have
run out of ideas as to what that may be, but it's popular enough.
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn
[]
> Bush still got re-elected. He must be doing something right.
Being 'in a war' at the time was a pretty good start.
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Hatunen
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>Bush still got re-elected. He must be doing something right. I have
>run out of ideas as to what that may be, but it's popular enough.
He's obviously doing something right to get elected.
Huey Long got elected by good majorities in Louisiana but there's
little evidence he did much that was right.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Hatunen
>Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>[]
>> Bush still got re-elected. He must be doing something right.
>
>Being 'in a war' at the time was a pretty good start.
Time to rent the movie, "Wag the Dog".
Dave Smith
>
> Bush still got re-elected. He must be doing something right. I have
> run out of ideas as to what that may be, but it's popular enough.
Stranger things have happened. Nixon had a landslide in his second term and then
resigned in disgrace.
j...@piasystems.com
(chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>[]
>> Bush still got re-elected. He must be doing something right.
>
>Being 'in a war' at the time was a pretty good start.
Yeah, really helped Lyndon Johnson didn't it?
j...@piasystems.com
Sure, watch more fantasy. And that was aimed at Clinton, btw, not
Bush.
j...@piasystems.com
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Complete nonsense. First, until he decided to quit and write a book,
he was PRAISING Bush's efforts. Second, everyone was saying the
Afghanistan was collapsing TOO fast at the time without enough troops
to consolidate the positioin. Third, said the same thing about Iraq.
Your posting is just pure revisionist bullshit as usual.
j...@piasystems.com
Other than get tons of pork for the state, that is. Just like Robert
Byrd who wants to move the entire Federal government to WV.
j...@piasystems.com
And just like Bush ran against a complete liberal loser. Can't see
the problem huh?
Hatunen
>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 14:41:57 -0800, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 21:17:03 +0000,
>>this_address...@yahoo.com (chancellor of the duchy of
>>besses o' th' barn) wrote:
>>
>>>Deep Frayed Morgues <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>>
>>>[]
>>>> Bush still got re-elected. He must be doing something right.
>>>
>>>Being 'in a war' at the time was a pretty good start.
>>
>>Time to rent the movie, "Wag the Dog".
>Sure, watch more fantasy. And that was aimed at Clinton, btw, not
>Bush.
So? It's still a war that is supposedly started to make the
presidnt more popular.
j...@piasystems.com
Didn't work in either case did it?
Gordon Forbess
>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 19:47:05 -0500, j...@piasystems.com wrote:
>>Sure, watch more fantasy. And that was aimed at Clinton, btw, not
>>Bush.
>
>So? It's still a war that is supposedly started to make the
>presidnt more popular.
Not really a war. Just a little bombing of an aspirin factory to take
everyone's attention away from his (BS) testimony in Monicagate. He
did justify it by linking Saddam and Al-Quaida to it, and look what
that started.
Gordon
Deep Frayed Morgues
I just don't know what it will take for the majority of Americans to
wake up. They seem to be voting for bizarre reasons.
How anyone can believe that Bush is made of safe, solid moral fibre is
beyond me. He's got a trail of lies and failure leading back for
decades, and that doesn't show any signs of abating.
Miguel Cruz
> wake up. They seem to be voting for bizarre reasons.
>
> How anyone can believe that Bush is made of safe, solid moral fibre is
> beyond me. He's got a trail of lies and failure leading back for
> decades, and that doesn't show any signs of abating.
That's because your definition of "morals" is not in tune with the Bush
electorate.
The morals package that Bush brings to the table is sanctimony, swagger,
clannishness, venal self-interest, and a callous disdain of anyone or
anything different. Many people identify strongly with this and they have
found a candidate who embodies all that they believe in. This is not a
uniquely American character at all, but the electoral system and media
culture in the USA at the moment do tend to facilitate it.
Icono Clast
> Huey Long got elected by good majorities in Louisiana but there's
> little evidence he did much that was right.
Welcome back.
I don't mean to defend Huey Long as he was a pretty bad guy but, my
first visit to New Orleans, the answer to almost every question I
asked included "Huey Long".
We paid ten-cents for a 'phone call. "Huey Long told 'em they
couldn't have the 'phone unless they were a nickel a call for * years."
We paid fifteen cents for public transportation. "Huey Long said they
couldn't have the contract unless they left the fare at 7¢ for thirty
years."
"Huey Long got us those beautiful terrazzo(?) sidewalks with copper
flag separators on Canal Street."
"Huey Long . . ."
"Huey Long . . ."
It's not surprising that they reëlected him.
_____________________________________________________________
A San Franciscan who's visited 49 of 50 US states
http://geocities.com/dancefest/ http://geocities.com/iconoc/
ICQ: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/19098103 IClast at SFbay Net
j...@piasystems.com
<deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>On Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:42:21 -0500, Dave Smith
><adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Bush still got re-elected. He must be doing something right. I have
>>> run out of ideas as to what that may be, but it's popular enough.
>>
>>Stranger things have happened. Nixon had a landslide in his second term and then
>>resigned in disgrace.
>
>I just don't know what it will take for the majority of Americans to
>wake up. They seem to be voting for bizarre reasons.
Meaning that they just don't agree with some moron like you.
>
>How anyone can believe that Bush is made of safe, solid moral fibre is
>beyond me. He's got a trail of lies and failure leading back for
>decades, and that doesn't show any signs of abating.
>--
>---
You mean just like Clinton and Lyndon Johnson for example?
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
Typical of your ranting babbling demonstrating once again that you
know nothing about which you are posting.
Miguel Cruz
> m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>> The morals package that Bush brings to the table is sanctimony, swagger,
>> clannishness, venal self-interest, and a callous disdain of anyone or
>> anything different. Many people identify strongly with this and they have
>> found a candidate who embodies all that they believe in. This is not a
>> uniquely American character at all, but the electoral system and media
>> culture in the USA at the moment do tend to facilitate it.
>
> know nothing about which you are posting.
What I wrote is true. Count on it. Prove me wrong.
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
>John Kulp <j...@piasystems.com> wrote:
>> m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>>> The morals package that Bush brings to the table is sanctimony, swagger,
>>> clannishness, venal self-interest, and a callous disdain of anyone or
>>> anything different. Many people identify strongly with this and they have
>>> found a candidate who embodies all that they believe in. This is not a
>>> uniquely American character at all, but the electoral system and media
>>> culture in the USA at the moment do tend to facilitate it.
>>
>> Typical of your ranting babbling demonstrating once again that you
>> know nothing about which you are posting.
>
>What I wrote is true. Count on it. Prove me wrong.
>
>miguel
It's complete and utter bullshit on its face. Loony left blathering
which, fortunately they always do and then prompty get their asses
kicked in the next election. And when someone posts something ace, it
is up to them to prove what they are posting is accurate not someone
else to disprove it though as I said it is obviously pure bullshit on
its face.
Deep Frayed Morgues
wrote:
>John Kulp <j...@piasystems.com> wrote:
>> m...@admin.u.nu (Miguel Cruz) wrote:
>>> The morals package that Bush brings to the table is sanctimony, swagger,
>>> clannishness, venal self-interest, and a callous disdain of anyone or
>>> anything different. Many people identify strongly with this and they have
>>> found a candidate who embodies all that they believe in. This is not a
>>> uniquely American character at all, but the electoral system and media
>>> culture in the USA at the moment do tend to facilitate it.
>>
>> Typical of your ranting babbling demonstrating once again that you
>> know nothing about which you are posting.
>
>What I wrote is true. Count on it. Prove me wrong.
JBK has a new alias! How about that. Same shit, same bucket with a
different handle.
Icono Clast
> Typical of your ranting babbling demonstrating once again that you
> know nothing about which you are posting.
Obviously Deep Frayed Morgues and Miguel Cruz know far more than you
as your comment above reveals that your deafness and blindness have
made of you an ignoramus incapable of observing the obvious.
Wake up! Pay attention to what inundates you.
> Miguel Cruz wrote:
>> Deep Frayed Morgues wrote:
>>> I just don't know what it will take for the majority of
>>> Americans to wake up. They seem to be voting for bizarre
>>> reasons.
>>>
>>> How anyone can believe that Bush is made of safe, solid moral
>>> fibre is beyond me. He's got a trail of lies and failure
>>> leading back for decades, and that doesn't show any signs of
>>> abating.
>>
>> That's because your definition of "morals" is not in tune with
>> the Bush electorate.
>>
>> The morals package that Bush brings to the table is sanctimony,
>> swagger, clannishness, venal self-interest, and a callous
>> disdain of anyone or anything different. Many people identify
>> strongly with this and they have found a candidate who embodies
>> all that they believe in. This is not a uniquely American
>> character at all, but the electoral system and media culture in
>> the USA at the moment do tend to facilitate it.
>>
>> miguel
____________________________________________________________
A San Franciscan in (where else?) San Francisco
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
>j...@piasystems.com wrote:
>> Typical of your ranting babbling demonstrating once again that you
>> know nothing about which you are posting.
>
>Obviously Deep Frayed Morgues and Miguel Cruz know far more than you
>as your comment above reveals that your deafness and blindness have
>made of you an ignoramus incapable of observing the obvious.
>
>Wake up! Pay attention to what inundates you.
>
Why is it that complete idiots like you think you demonstrate some
level of intelligence by trying to use multisyllabic words that you
can't even put together in a sensible sentence?
Icono Clast
>>> Typical of your ranting babbling demonstrating once again that
>>> you know nothing about which you are posting.
> Icono Clast wrote:
>> Obviously Deep Frayed Morgues and Miguel Cruz know far more than
>> you as your comment above reveals that your deafness and
>> blindness have made of you an ignoramus incapable of observing
>> the obvious.
>>
>> Wake up! Pay attention to what inundates you.
j...@piasystems.com wrote:
> Why is it that complete idiots like you think you demonstrate some
> level of intelligence by trying to use multisyllabic words that
> you can't even put together in a sensible sentence?
The sentence is sensible. You are not and have shown that you lack
the intelligence to understand it. You obviously have nothing to
offer so please do.
Uh, excuse me. Let me eliminate syllables so that you have a chance
at understanding those sentences:
The line makes sense. You do not and have shown that you lack the
brain to get it. You have no thing of worth to say so please do.
j...@piasystems.com
wrote:
>>> j...@piasystems.com wrote:
Bbble, babble, babble. Exactly what someone expects from the 38
billion dollar debt morons.
Bill Moore
I don't know about that, but at least he can speak/write using proper
sentences.
ARKADYA
Not only did the Baathist regime prevent us from traveling during the Iran-Iraq
conflict and the period of the sanctions, but they punished anyone possessing
satellite television. And of course, internet access was strictly limited.
Because of our isolation, most of us had little idea or sense about life beyond
our borders.
We did believe, however, that democracy and human rights were important factors
in Western civilization. So it came as a shock to us when millions of people
began demonstrating across the world against America’s build-up to the
invasion of our country. We supposed the protests were by people who had no
idea about the terrible atrocities that the regime had inflicted upon us for
decades. We assumed that once they learned what had happened in Iraq, they
would change their minds, or modify their opposition to the war.
My first clue that this would not happen was a few weeks after Baghdad fell. I
had befriended a French reporter who had begun to realize that the situation in
Iraq was not how the international media or the so-called “peace camp”
described it. I noticed, however, that whenever he tried to voice his doubts
to colleagues, they argued that he was wrong. Soon afterwards, I met a Dutch
woman on Mutinabi Street, where booksellers lay out their wares on Friday
morning. I asked her how long she’d been in Iraq and, through a translator,
she answered, “Three months.”
“So you were here during the war?”
“Yes!” she said. “To see the crimes of the Americans!”
I was stunned. After a moment, I replied, “What about the crimes of the
regime? It killed millions of Iraqis. Do you know that if the regime was
still in power, the conversation we’re having now would result in our torture
or death?”
Her face turned red and she angrily responded, “Soon will come the day that
the Americans will do worse.” She then went on to accuse me of not knowing
what the true facts were in Iraq—and that she could see the situation better
than me!
She was not the only “humanitarian” who expressed such outrageous
opinions. One afternoon, I was speaking to some members of the American
anti-war group “Voices in the Wilderness.” One of the group’s members
declared that the Iraqi Governing Council (then in power at the time) were
“traitors.” I was shocked. Most of the Council were people whom we Iraqis
knew had suffered and sacrificed in a long struggle against the regime. Some
represented opposition parties who had lost ten of thousand of members in that
struggle. Others came from families who had lost up to 30 loved ones to the
Baathists.
After those, and many other, experiences, we finally comprehended how little
we had in common with these “peace activists” who constantly decried
American crimes, and hated to listen to us talk about the terrible long
nightmare that ended with the collapse of the regime. We came to understand
how these “humanitarians” experienced a sort of pleasure when terrorists or
former remnants of the regime created destruction in Iraq—just so they could
feel that they were right, and the Americans wrong!
Worse, we realized it was hopeless to make them grasp our feelings. We
believed—and still believe--that America’s removal of the regime opened a
new way for democracy. At the same time, we have no illusions that the U.S.
came to Iraq on a white horse to save our people. We understand this war is
all about national interests, and that America’s interests are mainly about
defeating terrorism. At this moment, though, U.S. interests are doing more to
bring about democracy and freedom in Iraq than, say, the policies of France and
Russia—countries which also care little for the Iraqi people and, worse, did
their best to save Saddam from destruction until the last moment.
It’s worth noting, as well, that the general attitude of peace activists I
met was tension and anger. They were impossible to reason with. This was
because, on one hand, the sometimes considerable risks they took to oppose the
war made them unable to accept the fact that their cause was not as noble as
they believed. Then, too, their dogmatic anti-American attitudes naturally
drew them to guides, translators, drivers and Iraqi acquaintances who were
themselves supporters of the regime. These Iraqis, in turn, affected the peace
activists until they came to share almost the same judgments and opinions as
the terrorists and defenders of Saddam.
This was very disappointing for someone like me, who thought for decades that
the Left was generally the progressive power in the world. You can imagine how
aghast I was when my French reporter friend told me that the Communist Party in
his country actually considers the “insurgents” to be the equivalent of the
French Gaullists! Or how troubling it is to hear Jacques Chirac take
satisfaction from the violence wreaked by the terrorists—those bloody
monsters that we Iraqis know so well—because they justify France’s original
opposition to the war.
And so I have become disillusioned, at least with the Leftists I met in Iraq.
So noble in their rhetoric, they looked to the stars, yet ignored what was
happening around them, caring only about what was inside their minds. So
glorious in their ideals, their thoughts were inflexible and their deeds
unnecessary, even harmful. In the end, they proved to me how dogma and
fanaticism had transform peace activists into—lifeless peace “statues.” "
Walter
Boston, USA
Never Forgive, Never Forget
9-11-01