Art in Europe
Ryan
monuments. It may help to silence a braggart who claims to have seen and
done EVERYTHING in Europe. Can you help?
Last Supper
Mona Lisa
Venus de Milo
Mich's David
The Creation (Sistine chapel)
the scream
the kiss
lilies
eiffel tower
leaning tower of pisa
Pan
>I am trying to compile a list of must-see painting, statues and popular
>monuments.
Good God, are you kidding?!
> It may help to silence a braggart who claims to have seen and
>done EVERYTHING in Europe. Can you help?
[snip]
No.
Get an encyclopedia!
Michael
I. Wilson Gittleman, M.D.
Your list, acknowledging you did it with the best of intentions, is a
very naive attempt.
The list, in the first place, is prone to subjectivity; and even, if
not, would be 1000 items long, or more.
Relax.
"It doesn't matter what you do in the bedroom as long as you don't do
it in the street and frighten the horses".
-- Mrs. Patrick Campbell (English actress)
Joan McGalliard
> I am trying to compile a list of must-see painting, statues and popular
> monuments. It may help to silence a braggart who claims to have seen and
> done EVERYTHING in Europe. Can you help?
Your friend is a trophy tourist. I saw him in the Louvre, rushing in to
look at the Mona Lisa before running off the Eiffel Tour.
Don't encourage him.
joan
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Steve Remington
It is not how many attractions you see but the experience you have while
seeing what you see.
Who knows sitting is a little cafe in Paris watching the world go by may
have a bigger impact on you than seeing some famous attraction.
Don't humour fools it only encourages them :-)
Regards,
Steve
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gerald
the Urals.
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R@L
Is that all you can think of yourself?
Better Google for the rest of the year....;-)
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Ryan
ps i assume none of you have even been to europe, or else you'd know
something about the topic.
ps2 what makes you assume i am american. i certainly am not.
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David Gascon
Rembrandt's Night Watch
David Gascon
>
> Travel is not about quantity it is about quality.
>
> It is not how many attractions you see but the experience you have while
> seeing what you see.
>
> Who knows sitting is a little cafe in Paris watching the world go by may
> have a bigger impact on you than seeing some famous attraction.
>
> Don't humour fools it only encourages them :-)
>
Oh, I don't know, I think it's a bit of fun.
David Gascon
>
> what rubbish responses. thanks for wasting my bandwidth.
>
What did you expect? We're all travel snobs here, aren't we? {;-)
They probably thought you were a troll, a not-unreasonable assumption in
light of some recent threads.
P J Wallace
game.... just say you'd rather understand a work of art in its proper
context, rather than as something to ttick off a list, and that you'd
rather see something you enjoy even if that means missing something
that everyone thinks you must see (and that you can perfectly well
'see' in a picture book).
PJW
On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:53:45 -0500, "Ryan" <ry...@newfangle.com> wrote:
Jenn
p...@ANTIJUNKpjw74og.u-net.com (P J Wallace) wrote:
> I genuinely think the best help would be not to play the braggart's
> game.... just say you'd rather understand a work of art in its proper
> context, rather than as something to ttick off a list, and that you'd
> rather see something you enjoy even if that means missing something
> that everyone thinks you must see (and that you can perfectly well
> 'see' in a picture book).
>
> PJW
well and someone stupid enough to think this kind of game is worth
playing obviously lacks the subtlety to realize that the way to 'win' is
to come up with one's own list of obscure sites that are 'so much more
authentic' etc etc than these 'tourist sights'
Ryan
i genuinely want to know what the more famous paintings, statues and
monuments throughout Europe are. i have tried a google search, i have tried
encarta, i have tried asking colleagues.
i appreciate the advice but that is not what i am seeking. i have had one
suggestion in about ten responses.
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Dave Smith
> then forget the braggart.
>
> i genuinely want to know what the more famous paintings, statues and
> monuments throughout Europe are. i have tried a google search, i have tried
> encarta, i have tried asking colleagues.
>
> i appreciate the advice but that is not what i am seeking. i have had one
> suggestion in about ten responses.
What exactly is the point of this exercise? Do you just want to be able to rhyme
off a list of art work by name without having any idea of what they are or why
they are significant? My best advice is to go to the library and check out the
multitude of books on art. There are too many great pieces of art to even start
to list. Some are in museums, some in private collections, and some are altars
and doors in churches.
Jenn
Dave Smith <adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
of if her were serious -- any guidebook provides a fair introduction to
such matters.
nightjar
First, nobody is likely to agree on what must be seen. Tastes vary far too
much.
Second, a comprehensive list would be huge. Last weekend I spent a day
looking at about half of the Tate Modern. Even though most of it is not to
my taste, I could suggest probably half a dozen pieces that I would class as
unmissable. My list would also include anything by Salvador Dali or Alfons
Mucha and any works by Antoni Gaudi. The whole island of Santorini. Most of
Florence, Verona, Venice, Rome, Berlin, Prague, Budapest, Paris, London,
etc. etc.
If you want to spend the time building a comprehensive list, get hold of as
many guide books as you can and read what they recommend.
Colin Bignell
Hatunen
Rick Steves has a book, "Mona Winks", that would seem to be especially
well suited for someone making such an enquiry.
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Ryan
i never said i was looking to compile a list of the BEST, but simply the
most famous. the mona lisa is hardly a brilliant painting (IMHO) but
everyone knows it. what else does "everyone know?" that was my question
but forget it.
oh and to the suggestion of "check the library" how intellectual - never
thought of that one. duh!
Ryan
if you can't help, don't.
Dave Smith
Ryan wrote:
Well, duh.... what exactly is the point?
If I gather correctly, you have a braggart friend <?> that you want to
silence, but it seems that you don't know enough about art to do it, so you
came looking for a list of "must see" not the "best". Going to the library
would be a lot easier than actually going to galleries and/or learning about
art, but even that is too challenging.
Sarah Banick
I'm not a personal fan of Rick Steves, but I believe he has a book called
"Europe 101" that can help you develop a pretty good list. It's like "Europe
for Dummies" (maybe that exists?)
I seem to remember it having stuff like "best 10 small cities" "best art
museums", "most overrated sights," etc. etc. It's aimed at the kind of
person who knows they are supposed to go somewhere (Paris, Rome, Vienna),
but they don't know why.
Sarah
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Dave Smith
Ryan wrote:
> what rubbish responses. thanks for wasting my bandwidth.
What a rubbish question. Thanks for wasting our bandwidth.
Christine U.
peruse a copy at your local library (as was suggested previously), or
university bookstore. If you take the time to read the captions on the
pictures, you will see it lists where they are located. It even lists
famous architectural things such as the Eiffel Tour and Leaning Tower of
Pisa--it's amazing. And as far as you should be concerned, if it isn't in
the book, "you" probably don't need to know it. I'm sure two hours of your
time is probably asking a lot, but you'll certainly come up with a better,
more comprehensive, "know-it-all" list than trolling the newsgroups for it.
If you think this isn't help, then I throw in the towel and offer up my two
favorite works of art: "Le Garçon Paresseux" and "L'Idiot". I'm sure
everyone here has seen them before. I think you can find them in the
Louvre.
Christine
> > i just re-read my original post. my question was "Can you help?"
perhaps
> > if you can't help, don't.
> > "Ryan" <ry...@newfangle.com> wrote in message
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Gregory Morrow
"Ryan" wrote:
The Infant Of Prague.....
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Best
Greg
Carole Allen
Cristo Velato (Sleeping Christ - Naples)
Winged Victory
Moses (St. Peter in Chains Church)
Practically any of the Bernini pieces at the Borghese (Rome)
Utterly amazing sculptures/headstones at Mirogoj cemetery, Zagreb
Mich's Prisoners
Giotto's Tower - Florence
>
>"Ryan" wrote:
>
>
>> I am trying to compile a list of must-see painting, statues and popular
>> monuments. It may help to silence a braggart who claims to have seen and
>> done EVERYTHING in Europe. Can you help?
>>
>> Last Supper
>> Mona Lisa
>> Venus de Milo
>> Mich's David
>> The Creation (Sistine chapel)
>> the scream
>> the kiss
>> lilies
>> eiffel tower
>> leaning tower of pisa
>On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 04:34:49 GMT, "Gregory Morrow" <gregor...@att.net> wrote:>The Infant Of Prague.....
>
>--
>Best
>Greg
>
>
Barbara Vaughan
Jenn wrote:
>
> In article <3e1f2c4e...@news.u-net.com>,
> p...@ANTIJUNKpjw74og.u-net.com (P J Wallace) wrote:
>
> > I genuinely think the best help would be not to play the braggart's
> > game.... just say you'd rather understand a work of art in its proper
> > context, rather than as something to ttick off a list, and that you'd
> > rather see something you enjoy even if that means missing something
> > that everyone thinks you must see (and that you can perfectly well
> > 'see' in a picture book).
> >
> > PJW
>
> well and someone stupid enough to think this kind of game is worth
> playing obviously lacks the subtlety to realize that the way to 'win' is
> to come up with one's own list of obscure sites that are 'so much more
> authentic' etc etc than these 'tourist sights'
Robert Benchley wrote an amusing essay about this. He said that his
tactic with such people was to invent sights right around the corner
from where these people had been and ask if they had seen them, such as:
"Oh, you saw the Leaning Tower? I'm sure you also saw the little church
of San Patrizio in the next street that has an early Bugiardi sculpture
and two 14th century paintings by Il Furbo. You didn't? Oh, what a
shame, it really shouldn't be missed."
Barbara
Ryan
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David Gascon
Pretty hilarious, eh? Personally I think the game's a rather amusing
diversion, requiring little mental strain.
Rodin's "Le Penseur" (The Thinker)
Arc de Triomphe
But aren't you collecting the _locations_ of the artworks, also?
David Gascon
>
> I recommend you read the "History of Art" by H.W. Janson. You can probably
> peruse a copy at your local library (as was suggested previously), or
> university bookstore. If you take the time to read the captions on the
> pictures, you will see it lists where they are located. It even lists
> famous architectural things such as the Eiffel Tour and Leaning Tower of
> Pisa--it's amazing. And as far as you should be concerned, if it isn't in
> the book, "you" probably don't need to know it. I'm sure two hours of your
> time is probably asking a lot, but you'll certainly come up with a better,
> more comprehensive, "know-it-all" list than trolling the newsgroups for it.
> If you think this isn't help, then I throw in the towel and offer up my two
> favorite works of art: "Le Garçon Paresseux" and "L'Idiot". I'm sure
> everyone here has seen them before. I think you can find them in the
> Louvre.
>
> Christine
Mustn't leave out Mannekin Pis!
David Gascon
The Gustav Vigeland sculptures in Frogner Park.
David Gascon
>
> Cristo Velato (Sleeping Christ - Naples)
> Winged Victory
> Moses (St. Peter in Chains Church)
> Practically any of the Bernini pieces at the Borghese (Rome)
> Utterly amazing sculptures/headstones at Mirogoj cemetery, Zagreb
> Mich's Prisoners
> Giotto's Tower - Florence
>
All the Italy newbies gotta see the Coliseum.
ellie clemens
certainly a must!
-ellie
Pan wrote:
> On Fri, 10 Jan 2003 01:53:45 -0500, "Ryan" <ry...@newfangle.com> wrote:
>
> >I am trying to compile a list of must-see painting, statues and popular
> >monuments.
>
> Good God, are you kidding?!
>
> > It may help to silence a braggart who claims to have seen and
> >done EVERYTHING in Europe. Can you help?
> [snip]
>
> No.
>
> Get an encyclopedia!
>
> Michael
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David
Its a stupid question from someone that seems to want everything
compartmentalised and in Bluffer's Guide form. Fair enough, but don't
expect everyone else to engage in your pointless exercise. Go to a
library and read, if that's too difficult look on the net. In addition
harping-on about wasting bandwidth and no good replies from those that
have taken the trouble to provide information (not counting myself)
wins you no friends.
Dave
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> what rubbish responses. thanks for wasting my bandwidth.
>
Doesn't merit a response.
> ps i assume none of you have even been to europe, or else you'd know
> something about the topic.
See original reply.
> ps2 what makes you assume i am american. i certainly am not.
Ryan
awesome suggestions
the scultpure park in oslo was very bizarre but unlike anything i've seen.
the mann. pis i wouldn't have thought to include, but there are some
interesting stories behind it
then what about the little mermaid in copen, interst. stories there too.
thanks
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little courtyard nearby. Can't remember her name. Anyone know?
Susan
Chris
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<ry...@newfangle.com> wrote:
> I am trying to compile a list of must-see painting, statues and popular
> monuments. It may help to silence a braggart who claims to have seen and
> done EVERYTHING in Europe. Can you help?
>
> Last Supper
> Mona Lisa
> Venus de Milo
> Mich's David
> The Creation (Sistine chapel)
> the scream
> the kiss
> lilies
> eiffel tower
> leaning tower of pisa
Get ready for a lot of replies.
I'd add the Topkapi Dagger in the treasuries of the imperial palace in
Istanbul, the Rosetta Stone in the British Museum, Herculaneum/Pompeii
outside Naples, Italy, and the ruins of Delphi and Mycenae in Greece.
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