Canadians out donut the Americans, and the Europeans??
Earl Evleth
"Canadians consume more donuts per capita than any other country in the
world."
I noticed that donuts are sold here and there in France but they
are not a big thing. Our local boulangeries don't have them nor
the take-outs stands on the Rue de Rennes-Montparnasse. They
have croissants, and pain au chocolate, and various beignets
but no donuts.
Earl
******
One nationalistic Canadian writes---
Forget the cafés -- our best books will be written in donut shops
BY EDWARD KEENAN
Pick a night in the mid-'90s and there's a good chance I'm sitting in the
Country Style Donuts at Markham Road and Painted Post in Scarborough,
nursing a regular coffee and scribbling into a notebook. On the wood-veneer
table in front me there's an overflowing ashtray, a half-empty ceramic mug
of coffee and a used paperback copy of The Sun Also Rises or The Age of
Reason . I light another cigarette and try to piece together a sentence that
might lead to another sentence that might lead to literature, I stare out
the window over the strip-mall horizon and try to imagine that my donut shop
in Scarborough is analogous to the cafés of Hemingway or Sartre.
An entry in The New Oxford Companion to Literature in French explains how
the now-legendary and sometimes theme-parked cafés of Paris were, during the
Enlightenment, "places where new or subversive ideas could be fairly openly
discussed (though police spies haunted them)." Later, they became home to
the bohemians, some of whom called themselves "the water drinkers" because
that was all they could afford. Later still, the Café de Flore in
St.-Germain-des-Près became the hangout for Sartre and Beauvoir and the
world headquarters for existentialist thought chiefly because, according to
a history of café life in the November, 2002 issue of the English-language
online magazine ParisTempo.com , "The owner was kind to his 'clients' though
they often bought only one small café each day." The magazine piece sums it
up: "[cafés] are the soul of Paris, reflecting the vagaries of neighborhood
life in all its sordid splendor ... they have always been a place to read,
to write, to plot, to dream, even to fall in love."
Subversive, cheap, unhurried, varied and haunted by police: sounds a bit
like Coffee Time, doesn't it? Canada, an evolving culture, has never been as
precious as France. They have a beret stylishly cocked atop their head, we
have a toque pulled down over our eyes, they have red wine and unpasteurized
cheese, we have Molson Canadian and Kraft Dinner. They have cafés, we have
donut shops.
Read, write, plot, dream, fall in love. I have done all of these things in
donut shops, and encountered many people I never otherwise would have. Among
the regulars at that Country Style in Scarborough was a man who called
himself Mr. Smith. He wore a fur hat and a three-piece suit, steered a
shopping cart full of blankets and plastic bags through the parking lot
every night, and told anyone who'd listen about his days as a member of the
Law Society of Upper Canada and the time he went to Ottawa to take care of a
problem with Prime Minister Diefenbaker. There was a heavy, bald man with a
thick accent who'd fought with the German army in WWII, who said he'd been
young and stupid and didn't completely understand at the time what the Nazis
were about. He kept a counter full of people hanging on every word of his
escape from a French prisoner-of-war camp. There was a former drug dealer,
by then doing shift work in a factory, who was fascinated by how focused I
was on reading and writing, and showed me a notebook he carried with him
filled with barely-legible quotations he'd picked up here and there.
In that donut shop and others through the years I have seen first dates and
breakups, witnessed the conclusions to many drunken pub crawls, overheard
conversations about politics and religion and philosophy.
French cafés were a variation of the 17th-
century English coffee houses (themselves a refinement of the Turkish coffee
houses of Istanbul), which gave rise to Addison and Steele's The Tattler and
The Spectator , England's influential first magazines. Since widespread
romanticization of the Parisian café in the early 20th century, the model
seems to have for a while been frozen. Celebrated coffee house societies in
Greenwhich Village and San Francisco, for example, closely followed the
Parisian model. The donut shop, with its chain-store reliability and
disposable decor, is a distincly late-20th century innovation in this
centuries-old tradition.
The Canadian donut shop is undeniably down-market -- the fluorescent
lighting, the veneer and primary colours, the (recently-installed) one-touch
cappuccino machines, the polyester-uniformed staff -- but unlike the artier
independent coffee houses and frappa-mocha-venti-expenseaccino corporate
chains that supposedly made coffee cool again, donut shops possess next to
no self-conscious hipness or pretentious exclusivity. No one I know would
ever wonder if they needed to stop home and change into a more attractive
outfit lest they seem underdressed at the Baker's Dozen. They are also
universally affordable -- a half-hour of pan-handling can net enough for a
cup of hot coffee and a few hours out of the cold.
More than any place in the world, Canada has embraced the donut shop.
Consider, for example, that Tim Hortons, with over 2,100 locations, has four
times as many donut shops per capita in Canada than the most popular
American chain, Dunkin' Donuts, has in the U.S. Canadians consume more
donuts per capita than any other country in the world. All of this leaving
aside for a moment that donut shops really aren't about donuts. Popular
recurring sketches on both This Hour has 22 Minutes and Royal Canadian Air
Farce featuring regular folks talking politics in donut shops show more
accurately the role of the donut shop in Canada: they're cultural hubs.
In "The Canadian donut shop -- a family thing," an essay published online, a
(strangely anonymous) author explains why he likes writing in a local donut
shop: "I've noticed that we've all become a family. There's Adam, the other
writer; Dalton, the stoner; Kyle, the artist; Jason, the brawler; and a
whole gallery of others." He describes heated conversations about God and
group trips to the bowling alley. "Our family," he says, "accepts everyone."
Mita Sen-Roy at Rain Barrel (hosted by geocities) says donut shops are "one
of the few places where all of humanity can meet. Where else can you find
Sunday post-church folk sipping coffee beside the post-party hangover folk?
... both delinquent and cop, grannie and teen gangs, grunt manual workers
and high-tech new media wage slaves, immigrants and blue bloods...."
Not everyone shares this view of donut shops as Canadian institutions.
Responding in a speech to a Saturday Night corporate back rub of Tim Hortons
in September, 1999 that asked in its headline (but did not address in the
text) "What does it say about us that our only truly national institution is
a donut shop?" left-wing polemicist Linda McQuaig said: "It's sort of funny
but at the same time its just absolutely ludicrous. I confess I like donuts
and coffee as much as the next person. But, to call Tim Hortons a national
institution is ludicrous.... I've been into dozens of Tim Hortons shops and
nobody ever talks to others. All you do is you line up and pull out your
wallet and you pay."
Which may be all McQuaig does when she goes to donut shops, but her
dismissal seems broad. McQuaig's larger point was that donut shops don't
offer the type of shared vision and collective project that Tommy Douglas
would have hoped for in a Canadian institution, but for her to dismiss the
millions of Canadians for whom donut shops serve as a sort of town hall
smacks of elitism of a most un-Sartrean kind.
The idea of the donut shop as gathering place has been the subject of more
serious, if ridiculed, academic study. York University sociologist Steve
Penfold was awarded the 1999 Ig Nobel prize (awarded by the American humour
magazine Annals of Improbable Research for research that "cannot or should
not be reproduced") for his Ph.D. thesis on the sociology of the Canadian
donut shop. Penfold examined Canadian donut shop culture as a complex
phenomenon where many aspects of society intersect.
But for all that donut shops may have in common with Parisian cafés as
cultural gathering places, there remains one large point of contrast. I have
yet to encounter an intellectual movement, or a widespread school of art or
of literature, that calls the donut shop home. Calls to publishers and
agents requesting interviews with writers who work or hang out in donut
shops drew perplexed silences. Internet searches for fiction portraying
donut-shop society yielded nothing. It seems the mythologizing of this
national cultural institution has not yet begun.
So may I humbly submit that it begin here: it was in donut shops that I
conceived and wrote a good deal of my first (as yet unpublished) novel.
Future biographers take note: I was broke then and the lighting was bad, but
I was happy, for I was young and in love and had a place to sit and drink
coffee.
emilia
> "Canadians consume more donuts per capita than any other country in the
> world."
>
> I noticed that donuts are sold here and there in France but they
> are not a big thing. Our local boulangeries don't have them nor
> the take-outs stands on the Rue de Rennes-Montparnasse. They
> have croissants, and pain au chocolate, and various beignets
> but no donuts.
>
> Earl
>
AFAIK, a beignet is a doughnut.
crisco...@yahoo.it
Miss L. Toe
"nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:dpgr915atp04kmrqc...@4ax.com...> You are right, what is a bignet?
Its like a littlenet but a but bigger
Earl Evleth
<emi...@nospam.easy.com> wrote:
> AFAIK, a beignet is a doughnut.
It has no hole and can have a fruit stuffing-the beignet au pomme is common
Keith W
"Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
news:BEC3A017.67EDF%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
Holeless doughnuts arent unknown in the UK and the
apple and jam filled varieties are rather common.
Keith
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emilia
Not all doughnuts have holes.
emilia
No. I have no idea what a bignet it.
A beignet is a doughnut with no hole. Sometimes they are square.
*** Beignet ***
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
A beignet is a pastry made from *fried dough* and sprinkled with
confectioners' sugar. This variety is similar to zeppole. In the United
States they are often found in, and typically associated with, the city
of New Orleans, Louisiana and the restaurant Café du Monde. Beignets are
also found in France, where they are sometimes filled with fruit.
In certain parts of France a beignet can incorporate meats.
*** Doughnut ***
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.
A doughnut, or donut, is a *deep-fried piece of dough or batter*. The
two most common shapes are the flattened sphere, which is injected with
jam/jelly or another sweet filling; and the torus-shaped ring doughnut,
which was traditionally formed by wrapping the dough around a stick but
now is made with a cutter leaving a small piece cut from the center
which is separately cooked as a doughnut hole.
emilia
>
> http://www.crescentcitybeignets.com/beignet.html
>
> and a square donut with no hole
>
> http://www.answers.com/topic/beignet
They are not always square. The ones from New Orleans tend to be square.
Here is a nice list of doughnuts from all over the world. Scroll down
the page to "Types" & then there's a nice country list.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnut
(No, I'm not Canadian)
Earl Evleth
"nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Holeless doughnuts arent unknown in the UK and the
>> apple and jam filled varieties are rather common.
>
> They only seem to be unknown by Earl :)
As donuts yes, unknown, but as beignets I know them.
A beignet is lighter than a donut. It does not taste
like a donut of my youth (cake donuts)
Earl
Dave Smith
Earl Evleth wrote:
> "Canadians consume more donuts per capita than any other country in the
> world."
>
> I noticed that donuts are sold here and there in France but they
> are not a big thing. Our local boulangeries don't have them nor
> the take-outs stands on the Rue de Rennes-Montparnasse. They
> have croissants, and pain au chocolate, and various beignets
> but no donuts.
You can blame it all on Tim Hortons. Donuts always were a popular treat here.
In the 60's a few donut shops opened up. Then along came Tim Hortons, offering
good donuts, good coffee, fast service, a comfortable place to sit to enjoy them
and take out windows so you can get them to go. Hortons has outlets just about
everywhere in the country. In the city of Hamilton it is hard to travel more
than a few blocks without seeing one. My little town of 15,000 has three
Hortons stores.
Dave Smith
emilia wrote:
I thought a donut was a beigne, a beignet but with a hole.
Earl Evleth
"nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Not all doughnuts have a whole in the middle. Do pay attention.
I do. I only buy those with holes. The hole is the best tasting part
of the donut.
And the hole is the healthiest part of the donut. I takes 45 minutes of
walking for burn off the calories of a single Jelly donnut.
Earl
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
> On 2/06/05 10:09, in article pjft91900jcaj0pvm...@4ax.com,
> "Magda" <unesou...@coldmail.hey> wrote:
>
> > ... Not all doughnuts have a whole in the middle. Do pay attention.
> >
> > Don't call them doughnuts, then.
>
> Basically a whole donut does not have a hole so is not a whole
> donut.
When I lived in ths US, I was quite partial to 'doughnut holes'-
especially the glazed popems made by Entenmann's.
http://www.markcarey.com/cgi-bin/apf4/shopping.cgi?Operation=ItemLookup&
ItemId=B00032GMJ8&myOperation=Image&templates=shopping
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Earl Evleth
"Magda" <unesou...@coldmail.hey> wrote:
> ... Not all doughnuts have a whole in the middle. Do pay attention.
>
> Don't call them doughnuts, then.
Basically a whole donut does not have a hole so is not a whole
donut.
Earl
Earl Evleth
"nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Doughnuts don't all have a hole in the middle
Some are holier than others
Earl
Earl Evleth
1gxivxy.1sbp9fmp2200wN%this_address...@yahoo.com, "chancellor of
the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco"
<this_address...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Basically a whole donut does not have a hole so is not a whole
>> donut.
>
> When I lived in ths US, I was quite partial to 'doughnut holes'-
> especially the glazed popems made by Entenmann's.
One idea I have is to collect the holes, package them and sell
them as diet food.
The packaging lable would have "no cholesterol, no fat, no calories"
Earl
Earl Evleth
"nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> The packaging lable would have "no cholesterol, no fat, no calories"
>
> but would Magda buy them?
I am looking at the bigger picture. Judging by the propaganda success
of Bush duping enough of the people enough of the time, the American
market should be perfect for such a scam. After all selling "pet rocks"*
and "canned fresh air" did work in America.
Earl
*the pet rock scheme occurred while we were living in Los Gatos California,
the packaging up and shipping occurred there.
The next idea of the pet rock scammer was to open a bar in downtown
Los Gatos named "Carrie Nation", a famous abolitionist.
The bar still exists, if the web is correct (Carrie Nation's Santa Cruz Ave
#8, Los Gatos). It was located in downtown Los Gatos, an area badly
hit by the earthquake years ago. It was an "upscale" bar, comfortable chairs
more like a hotel cocktail lounge. The town yuppiefied about the time we
left in mid 70s to immigrate to France! Before that the town had an old
fashion mostly beer bar where the disreputable of the town hung out, like
myself now and then.
For details on the pet rock see
jeremy...@yahoo.com
>Don't you mean don't call them donuts?
Nough I doughn't
Ronald Hands
> On 2/06/05 10:28, in article amgt91h0qbo7su6p7...@4ax.com,
> "nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Doughnuts don't all have a hole in the middle
As an inhabitant of the acknowledged doughnut capital of the world,
Canada, I can confirm that many doughnuts lack the hole in the middle.
My favourite, at Tim Horton's, is one called the Boston Creme, which is
a square doughnut topped with chocolate icing and filled with a vanilla
cream. Horton's also sells tiny doughnuts, called Timbits, presumably
designed to represent the dough that was punched out to create the hole
in the full-sized model. They come in all flavours and are very
popular, particularly with children.
BTW, all the Tim Horton's shops around here (Hamilton, Ontario) are
smoke-free. (I'm not sure if the policy is nation-wide.) Tough on the
struggling artist who depends on a mixture of caffeine and nicotine for
inspiration, but pleasant for the rest of us.
-- Ron
Deep Foiled Malls
wrote:
>One idea I have is to collect the holes, package them and sell
>them as diet food.
>
>The packaging lable would have "no cholesterol, no fat, no calories"
http://www.deepfriedmars.com/OddPics/Puzzle.JPG
--
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DFM - http://www.deepfriedmars.com
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Earl Evleth
"Ronald Hands" <rha...@mountaincable.net> wrote:
> As an inhabitant of the acknowledged doughnut capital of the world,
> Canada, I can confirm that many doughnuts lack the hole in the middle.
> My favourite, at Tim Horton's, is one called the Boston Creme, which is
> a square doughnut topped with chocolate icing and filled with a vanilla
> cream. Horton's also sells tiny doughnuts, called Timbits, presumably
> designed to represent the dough that was punched out to create the hole
> in the full-sized model. They come in all flavours and are very
> popular, particularly with children.
> BTW, all the Tim Horton's shops around here (Hamilton, Ontario) are
> smoke-free. (I'm not sure if the policy is nation-wide.) Tough on the
> struggling artist who depends on a mixture of caffeine and nicotine for
> inspiration, but pleasant for the rest of us.
I have concluded that maybe the Canadians are not technically adept enough
to put a hole in a donut, at least not reliably.
This is why you should surrender and become part of the United States.
Alternately you could all become more French and take to eating croissants
which have no holes.
Earl
Hatunen
wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:09:11 +0200, Magda <unesou...@coldmail.hey>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 23:04:28 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, nitram <m...@privacy.net> arranged
>>some electrons, so they looked like this :
>>
>>
>> ... > ... AFAIK, a beignet is a doughnut.
>> ... >
>> ... >A beignet does not have a hole in the middle.
>> ...
>> ... Not all doughnuts have a whole in the middle. Do pay attention.
>>
>>Don't call them doughnuts, then.
>
>Don't you mean don't call them donuts?
>
>Doughnuts don't all have a hole in the middle
According to www.dictionary.com, they do.
************* DAVE HATUNEN (hat...@cox.net) *************
* Tucson Arizona, out where the cacti grow *
* My typos & mispellings are intentional copyright traps *
Hatunen
<unesou...@coldmail.hey> wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:56:12 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, Ronald Hands
><rha...@mountaincable.net> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... Earl Evleth wrote:
> ... > On 2/06/05 10:28, in article amgt91h0qbo7su6p7...@4ax.com,
> ... > "nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> ... >
> ... >
> ... >>Doughnuts don't all have a hole in the middle
> ...
> ... As an inhabitant of the acknowledged doughnut capital of the world,
> ... Canada, I can confirm that many doughnuts lack the hole in the middle.
> ... My favourite, at Tim Horton's, is one called the Boston Creme, which is
> ... a square doughnut
>
>Square nuts.
>Great. :pp
You seem to be confused by old Army admonition to watch out for
the sure needle in left nut.
Hatunen
Donuts made by machines are not made by punching out a hole in
the middle of a disc-shped piece of dough, so a whole donut
doess, indeed, have a hole in it.
Even hadn made donuts made by cutting circles out of a sheet of
dough have holes in them long before they are entitled to be
called donuts.
Earl Evleth
"Hatunen" <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
> Donuts made by machines are not made by punching out a hole in
> the middle of a disc-shped piece of dough, so a whole donut
> doess, indeed, have a hole in it.
Yes, I remember seeing them made, the tube dumping the batter
into hot oil. I look at this as a virtual hole, however.
My career was in theoretical chemistry, using quantum mechanics
and came to think of wave functions as "real" when in fact
that are mathematical constructs. Even though non-real,
I earned my life creating wave functions. And getting the
tax payers in the US or France to pay for them.
So that scam makes me feel I can also sell virtual donut holes
as calorie free substitutes for real food. The problem is
giving these virtual hole creations any taste that people will
like. They should get something for their money. Like wave
functions.
Earl
Hatunen
wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:43:43 -0700, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:28:28 +0200, nitram <m...@privacy.net>
>>wrote:
>>>Doughnuts don't all have a hole in the middle
>>
>>According to www.dictionary.com, they do.
>
>Then www.dictionary.com is wrong
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnut
you do understand that Wikipedia isn't authoritative because
anyone who wants to can change an entry?
Hatunen
wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:44:32 -0700, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 16:14:48 +0200, Magda
>><unesou...@coldmail.hey> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 09:56:12 -0400, in rec.travel.europe, Ronald Hands
>>><rha...@mountaincable.net> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>>>
>>> ... Earl Evleth wrote:
>>> ... > On 2/06/05 10:28, in article amgt91h0qbo7su6p7...@4ax.com,
>>> ... > "nitram" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>> ... >
>>> ... >
>>> ... >>Doughnuts don't all have a hole in the middle
>>> ...
>>> ... As an inhabitant of the acknowledged doughnut capital of the world,
>>> ... Canada, I can confirm that many doughnuts lack the hole in the middle.
>>> ... My favourite, at Tim Horton's, is one called the Boston Creme, which is
>>> ... a square doughnut
>>>
>>>Square nuts.
>>>Great. :pp
>>
>>You seem to be confused by old Army admonition to watch out for
>>the sure needle in left nut.
>
>I don't get any sense out of that. Is it a typo?
Ugh. Yes. ".. square needle in the left nut ..."
emilia
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:31:19 +0100, in rec.travel.europe, "Keith W"
> <keit...@kwillshaw.nospam.demon.co.uk> arranged some electrons, so they looked like
> this:
>
> ...
> ... "Earl Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote in message
> ... news:BEC3A017.67EDF%evl...@wanadoo.fr...
> ... > On 1/06/05 15:53, in article 429db...@news.tiscalinet.ch, "emilia"> ... > It has no hole and can have a fruit stuffing-the beignet au pomme is
> ... > common
> ... >
> ...
> ... Holeless doughnuts arent unknown in the UK and the
> ... apple and jam filled varieties are rather common.
> ...
> ... Keith
>
> Berliners rule !! :))
A berliner is also a doughnut.
emilia
> On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:53:48 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, emilia <emi...@nospam.easy.com>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... > "Canadians consume more donuts per capita than any other country in the
> ... > world."
> ... >
> ... > I noticed that donuts are sold here and there in France but they
> ... > are not a big thing. Our local boulangeries don't have them nor
> ... > the take-outs stands on the Rue de Rennes-Montparnasse. They
> ... > have croissants, and pain au chocolate, and various beignets
> ... > but no donuts.
> ... >
> ... > Earl
> ... >
> ...
> ... AFAIK, a beignet is a doughnut.
>
It doesn't matter. Not all doughnuts have holes. Even holeless doughnut
are doughnuts.
Hatunen
<evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>On 2/06/05 19:47, in article 0dhu911h2b6781n9r...@4ax.com,
>"Hatunen" <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Donuts made by machines are not made by punching out a hole in
>> the middle of a disc-shped piece of dough, so a whole donut
>> doess, indeed, have a hole in it.
>
>
>Yes, I remember seeing them made, the tube dumping the batter
>into hot oil. I look at this as a virtual hole, however.
Sound like solid state physics where the holes conduct
electricity.
>My career was in theoretical chemistry, using quantum mechanics
>and came to think of wave functions as "real" when in fact
>that are mathematical constructs.
All of physics is a mathematical construct.
>Even though non-real,
>I earned my life creating wave functions.
Quanta are as real as you can get. The quantum theory is the
physical theory with the highest accuracy of correlation between
the math and the observations ever known.
>And getting the
>tax payers in the US or France to pay for them.
What would we do without wave functions? No transistors, no
modern chemistry, etc, etc.
>So that scam makes me feel I can also sell virtual donut holes
>as calorie free substitutes for real food. The problem is
>giving these virtual hole creations any taste that people will
>like. They should get something for their money. Like wave
>functions.
Chemists. Phah.
Go Fig
<emi...@nospam.easy.com> wrote:
More like a sweet pretzel.
jay
Thu Jun 02, 2005
mailto:go...@mac.com
>
Dave Smith
> So that scam makes me feel I can also sell virtual donut holes
> as calorie free substitutes for real food. The problem is
> giving these virtual hole creations any taste that people will
> like. They should get something for their money. Like wave
> functions.
>
LOL Earl, but you would have a hard time competing against the real holes.
Home made donuts are usually rolled out and formed with a donut cutter.
Those little bits can be rolled back up and re-formed or deep fried as is.
While commercial operators likely form their donuts with an extrusion
process they still market the holes under various names, Tim Bits at
Hortons, dibbles etc.
Ronald Hands
>
> This is why you should surrender and become part of the United States.
>
> Alternately you could all become more French and take to eating croissants
> which have no holes.
>
Given that choice, I'd say: "Bring on the croissants."
-- Ron
emilia
No.
Go Fig
<nita...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Almost every culture has some kind of deep fried
> pastry or cookie or cake, or whatever you want to
> call it.
>
But in this case the word is of German origin: Bretzel
emilia
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:43:52 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, emilia <emi...@nospam.easy.com>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
> ... > On Wed, 01 Jun 2005 15:53:48 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, emilia <emi...@nospam.easy.com>
> ... > arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
> ... >
> ... > ... Earl Evleth wrote:
> ... > ... > "Canadians consume more donuts per capita than any other country in the
> ... > ... > world."
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > the take-outs stands on the Rue de Rennes-Montparnasse. They
> ... > ... > have croissants, and pain au chocolate, and various beignets
> ... > ... > but no donuts.
> ... > ... >
> ... > ... > Earl
> ... > ... >
> ... > ...
> ... > ...
> ... > ... AFAIK, a beignet is a doughnut.
> ... > A beignet does not have a hole in the middle.
> ...
> ... It doesn't matter. Not all doughnuts have holes. Even holeless doughnut
> ... are doughnuts.
>
> My beignets DO NOT have holes.
I give up.
emilia
Bretzels are baked not fried.
Go Fig
Then they are placed in a boiling brine bath....
Dave Smith
Sadly, most of the things they call croissants in Canada are a poor imitation of
the real thing.
michael...@yahoo.com
but German is Indo / European
Hatunen
Sure. what John F Kennedy meant was "I am a sweet pretzel".
Earl Evleth
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> While commercial operators likely form their donuts with an extrusion
> process they still market the holes under various names,
It is those non-holes I want to sell.
Earl Evleth
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Sadly, most of the things they call croissants in Canada are a poor imitation
> of
> the real thing.
Sadly that is true in France too. Croissants were "invented" in Austria,
although some stories having it coming out of Poland too. The French
are honest about a lot of their pastries in calling them viennoiserie.
Since the French borrowed their good cuisine from around the continent
their usual contribution was to make it even better. But the
industrialization of the croissant has occurred.
Earl
Earl Evleth
"Hatunen" <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:56:20 +0200, Earl Evleth
> <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
>
>> On 2/06/05 19:47, in article 0dhu911h2b6781n9r...@4ax.com,
>> "Hatunen" <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Donuts made by machines are not made by punching out a hole in
>>> the middle of a disc-shped piece of dough, so a whole donut
>>> doess, indeed, have a hole in it.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I remember seeing them made, the tube dumping the batter
>> into hot oil. I look at this as a virtual hole, however.
>
> Sound like solid state physics where the holes conduct
> electricity.
>
>> My career was in theoretical chemistry, using quantum mechanics
>> and came to think of wave functions as "real" when in fact
>> that are mathematical constructs.
>
> All of physics is a mathematical construct.
Quantum mechanics permits one calculating the exact
energy of the hydrogen atom, a good construct.
>
>> Even though non-real,
>> I earned my life creating wave functions.
>
> Quanta are as real as you can get. The quantum theory is the
> physical theory with the highest accuracy of correlation between
> the math and the observations ever known.
Like I said.
In fact, I dervived my political perfection from the subject
which is what pisses off JBK!
>> And getting the
>> tax payers in the US or France to pay for them.
>
> What would we do without wave functions? No transistors, no
> modern chemistry, etc, etc.
Right, I want a better retirement pension.
>
>> So that scam makes me feel I can also sell virtual donut holes
>> as calorie free substitutes for real food. The problem is
>> giving these virtual hole creations any taste that people will
>> like. They should get something for their money. Like wave
>> functions.
>
> Chemists. Phah.
>
Better living through Chemistry.
Earl
Dave Smith
If I send you a photocopy of a check will you send me a virtual dozen ? :-)
Dave Smith
>
>
> Sadly that is true in France too. Croissants were "invented" in Austria,
> although some stories having it coming out of Poland too. The French
> are honest about a lot of their pastries in calling them viennoiserie.
> Since the French borrowed their good cuisine from around the continent
> their usual contribution was to make it even better. But the
> industrialization of the croissant has occurred.
That may be the case, just like the great Danish pastries that were apparently the
work of Viennese bakers. At least they still make proper croissants in France.
There is the odd place around here that makes a decent product, but most of the
things passed off as croissants are crescent shaped but the similarity ends there.
Back in 1999 I was in Paris for 4 days. Having been to France before there were a
few things I was looking forward to: croissants, baguettes and great coffee. When
we got to the hotel (booked by someone else in the party) I was terribly
disappointed by all three of those at the breakfast buffet. They had low quality
baguettes and croissants and the coffee was just plain awful. (Hotel Royal Alma).
emilia
That is not frying....
emilia
rec.travel.mars
Go Fig
<unesou...@coldmail.hey> wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 20:20:47 +0200, in rec.travel.europe, emilia
> <emi...@nospam.easy.com>
> arranged some electrons, so they looked like this :
>
>
> ... >>>
> ... >>>Berliners rule !! :))
> ... >>
> ... >>A berliner is also a doughnut.
> ... >
> ... >
> ... > More like a sweet pretzel.
> ...
> ... No.
>
> The poor guy has never had a beignet in his life...
My relatives owned one of the most renowned establishments in NOLA for
generations. When we go to Cafe Du Monde the Fernandez' greet us as
longtime friends. Long before they started selling the mix, I always
was given some to take back home with me.
So tell me, it is true that you take your 'nom de plume' from Goebbels'
wife's name: "Magda"... consistent with your "Propaganda" spewing ?
chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
[]
> So tell me, it is true that you take your 'nom de plume' from Goebbels'
> wife's name: "Magda"... consistent with your "Propaganda" spewing ?
Figgy, get a sense of perspective. You're skirting Godwin on a fizzing
thread about _doughnuts_! Whatever you're on, take more. Now!
--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
Hatunen
wrote:
>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 11:18:43 -0700, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 18:36:37 +0200, nitram <m...@privacy.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:43:43 -0700, Hatunen <hatu...@cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 10:28:28 +0200, nitram <m...@privacy.net>
>>>>wrote:
>>
>>>>>Doughnuts don't all have a hole in the middle
>>>>
>>>>According to www.dictionary.com, they do.
>>>
>>>Then www.dictionary.com is wrong
>>>
>>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doughnut
>>
>>you do understand that Wikipedia isn't authoritative because
>>anyone who wants to can change an entry?
>
>You do understand that words have different meanings in the UK and the
>USA?
What does that have to do with Wikipedia's fallibility?
Claim Guy
>
> "Canadians consume more donuts per capita than any other country in the
We gots to have our Timmies, baby!
Earl Evleth
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> If I send you a photocopy of a check will you send me a virtual dozen ? :-)
Scam artists are often the victims of other scam artists.
I assume you have received the virtuals by now.
Earl Evleth
<adavid...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Back in 1999 I was in Paris for 4 days. Having been to France before there
> were a
> few things I was looking forward to: croissants, baguettes and great coffee.
> When
> we got to the hotel (booked by someone else in the party) I was terribly
> disappointed by all three of those at the breakfast buffet. They had low
> quality
> baguettes and croissants and the coffee was just plain awful. (Hotel Royal
> Alma).
Most French hotel breakfasts are a disappointment and some of the hotel
chains do better. Places like Ibis have a buffet service which is
internationalized, so they have ham and cheese, breads, croissants, fruit
cereal etc.
The best French breakfasts we have had recently are at a small hotel in
the South of France. Since my wife has a blood sugar and a wheat allergy
she can only eat fruit for breakfast. This place set up a nice plate of
stuff for her. We know the owners since they used to run a restaurant in
Paris and followed them to the South last summer for 2 weeks.
Otherwise, you should get great breakfasts at a provincial three star
restaurant in France, they usually have a small elegant hotel with
their establishment and things like croissants and brioches are freshly
cooked and served warm at the hour specified.
Earl
Des Small
> Almost every culture has some kind of deep fried
> pastry or cookie or cake, or whatever you want to
> call it.
While I'd love to see Steven "Ping-Pong" Pinker attempt an
adaptioniste Just-So story to explain this, I'm waiting for
confirmation from Amazonianists and Melanasianists before it can be
entered as a true cultural universal.
Des
Des Small
> Earl Evleth wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Sadly that is true in France too. Croissants were "invented" in Austria,
> > although some stories having it coming out of Poland too. The French
> > are honest about a lot of their pastries in calling them viennoiserie.
> > Since the French borrowed their good cuisine from around the continent
> > their usual contribution was to make it even better. But the
> > industrialization of the croissant has occurred.
>
> That may be the case, just like the great Danish pastries that were
> apparently the work of Viennese bakers.
Credit where it's due: Danish for "Danish pastry" is "wienerbrød".
Des