Re: Da Vinci Code
Earl Evleth
Bartlett" <m...@privacy.net> wrote: w
> Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing in
> terms of touristy shots of Paris.
>
> However (SPOILER ALERT)
>
> the general idea seems to be that Audrey Tautou must be followed and
> worshipped. Works for me.
>
> Mr B;
The film has generally received poor reviews. Movie reviewers
are often economically wrong, however.
It had record attendance in Italy, which will not please the Vatican, and
apparently China has well received it. Hollywood's domestic movie goer
market has stagnated for years and currently is exceeded by an international
market. So a failure at home does not imply one abroad.
I have seen no French review yet. Prior to its release the articles
tended to concentrate at the positive tourist impact of the book
and the film.
As for Audrey Tautou, the American film credits in the film misspelled her
last name, as did this news item " Audrey Tatou Nearly Missed Out on 'Da
Vinci Code' Role"
http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/05/09/audrey_tatou_nearly_misse
d_out_on_da_vin
Earl Evleth
Arne Maennig" <maenn...@cricetus.com> wrote:
> > The Christian community seems to have funny problems. Being neutral
> in this case, I wouldn't care too much if Jesus was asexual or just a
> guy with normal desires including the according consequences.
I think the Christian development in the East (Greek Orthodox) had
a healthier attitude towards sex. The priests are married but one
can become monk or nun and avoid the sex part, take one's self out
of the general community. Jesus could or could not have been celibate,
the issue is not important. He does not come across as sexist in
the Gospels. But Paul was an absolute disaster along those lines,
a lot can be said about his sexuality. It was he and not Jesus
who took western Christianity off in the "wrong" direction.
Today's Le Parisien has a one page article on deconstructing
some of the items in the book about the the Eglise St. Sulpice.
I am not knowledgeable about this Church even though we have
lived in this area for 30 years. The only error in Brown's
book about the area was claiming that there were prostitutes
on the square (Place St. Sulpice) when the albino monk went to the church.
I have never seen prostitutes on that square, the 6th
arrondissement main police station is there. I have never
seen prostitutes on the left bank in Paris. They had congregated
historically in near Pigalle, St. Lazare, the Goutte d'Or and
rue St. Denis and in the two bois which border Paris on the
east and west. Mostly AIDS has driving the girls out of business.
Brown's saying that they were on St. Sulpice can be reassuring to his
wife, he was not whoring when doing his research in Paris.
Dave Frightens Me
<maenn...@cricetus.com> wrote:
>The Christian community seems to have funny problems. Being neutral
>in this case, I wouldn't care too much if Jesus was asexual or just a
>guy with normal desires including the according consequences.
Apparently some politicians here in Italy burnt copies of the book.
Shouldn't they be burning down cinemas instead?
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Earl Evleth
"Dave Frightens Me" <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:51:45 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig
> <maenn...@cricetus.com> wrote:
>
>> The Christian community seems to have funny problems. Being neutral
>> in this case, I wouldn't care too much if Jesus was asexual or just a
>> guy with normal desires including the according consequences.
>
> Apparently some politicians here in Italy burnt copies of the book.
> Shouldn't they be burning down cinemas instead?
Book burning is a old Christian tradition
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book-burning, a few of those
in which Christians are involved are ----
According to the New Testament book of Acts, early converts to Christianity
in Ephesus burned books of "curious arts". "Many of them also which used
curious arts brought their books together, and burned them before all men:
and they counted the price of them, and found it fifty thousand pieces of
silver." (Acts 19:19, KJV) The term curious arts refers to magical
practices. [1]
The books of Arius and his followers, after the first Council of Nicaea
(325), for heresy.
Etrusca Disciplina, the Etruscan books of cult and divination, collected and
burned in the 5th century.
The books of Nestorius, after an edict of Theodosius II, for heresy (435).
In 1233 Maimonides' "Guide for the Perplexed" was burnt at Montpellier,
Southern France.
In the 1480s Tomas Torquemada promoted the burning of non-Catholic
literature, especially Jewish Talmuds and, after the final defeat of the
Moors at Granada in 1492, Arabic books also.
In 1410 John Wycliffe's books were burnt by the illiterate Prague archbishop
Zbyn?k Zajic z Házmburka in the court of his palace in Lesser Town of Prague
to hinder the spread of Jan Hus' teaching
In 1499 or 1500, in Andalucia, Spain, over a million Arabic and Hebrew books
from one of the richest collections in history were burned on the orders of
Cisneros, Archbishop of Granada (See: Henry Kamen, The Spanish Inquisition,
London: White Lion, 1965, p. 98.) Many of the poetic works were allegedly
destroyed on account of their symbolized homoeroticism. (See: Erskine Lane,
tr. "In Praise of Boys: Moorish Poems from Al-Andalus," 1975).
In 1525 & 1526 William Tyndale's English translation of the New Testament
were burned wherever the authorities could find them.
In 1553, Servetius was burned for a heretic at the order of John Calvin, on
a remark in his translation of Ptolemy's Geography. "Around his waist were
tied a large bundle of manuscript and a thick octavo printed book", his
Christianismi Restitutio, three copies of which have survived [2].
1562 Fray Diego de Landa, acting bishop of the Yucatan, threw into the fires
the sacred books of the Maya[3].
There have been several incidents of Harry Potter books being burned,
including those directed by churches at Alamogordo, New Mexico, Charleston,
South Carolina, and Cedar Rapids, Iowa.
Mxsmanic
> Brown's saying that they were on St. Sulpice can be reassuring to his
> wife, he was not whoring when doing his research in Paris.
He did research?
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Earl Evleth
"Mxsmanic" <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Earl Evleth writes:
>
>> Brown's saying that they were on St. Sulpice can be reassuring to his
>> wife, he was not whoring when doing his research in Paris.
>
> He did research?
We all do, some better than others, some worse.
Padraig Breathnach
>Earl Evleth writes:
>
>> Brown's saying that they were on St. Sulpice can be reassuring to his
>> wife, he was not whoring when doing his research in Paris.
>
>He did research?
Sure. He read one book -- The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail.
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List your publications and/or research accomplishments.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> Earl Evleth wrote:
> > On 21/05/06 0:12, in article 1hfnv63.7rwgts1yy9z0aN%m...@privacy.net,
> > "Mister Bartlett" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> >> Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing
> >> in terms of touristy shots of Paris.
>
> A bit dissapointing in terms of the whole plot, too.
I haven't read the book, and unless there's nothing else on the other
channels next time I'm on a long flight, I'll probably not get round to
this film.
[]
> > It had record attendance in Italy, which will not please the Vatican
>
> The Christian community seems to have funny problems.
Funny being an operative word, as they don't seem very good at taking
jokes. Think back to Monty Python, or more recently Jerry Springer- the
Musical. I thought it was pretty good myself, and all that the various
silly protests have done is to increase its popularity, as far as I can
see.
> Being neutral
> in this case, I wouldn't care too much if Jesus was asexual or just a
> guy with normal desires including the according consequences.
The funniest 'comment' on this I've seen so far was on the US telly
programme, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. (seen in the UK on digital
channel more4.) They played an ad by some US religious organisation
which says at one point in the voiceover something like- "the problem
with this book, is that some people are taking it literally." You
couldn't make it up!
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David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Earl Evleth writes:
> >
> >> Brown's saying that they were on St. Sulpice can be reassuring to his
> >> wife, he was not whoring when doing his research in Paris.
> >
> >He did research?
>
> Sure. He read one book -- The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail.
When someone told me what The Da Vinci Code was about, I said it
reminded me of that one!
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> Jens Arne Maennig <maenn...@cricetus.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl Evleth wrote:
> > > On 21/05/06 0:12, in article 1hfnv63.7rwgts1yy9z0aN%m...@privacy.net,
> > > "Mister Bartlett" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing
> > >> in terms of touristy shots of Paris.
> >
> > A bit dissapointing in terms of the whole plot, too.
>
> Not disappointng if you've read the book and know before hand that the
> plot is crap :-)
The BBC critic Mark Kermode absolutely hated it, but to be fair, he also
revealed that he chucked the book across the floor after reading a few
pages of it. Whether true or not, I liked his comment that the movie is
full of people deciphering coded messages, apparently with no point, and
usually in dark places.
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
> *From:* this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy)
> *Date:* Sun, 21 May 2006 15:30:57 +0100
>
> Jens Arne Maennig <maenn...@cricetus.com> wrote:
>
> > Earl Evleth wrote:
> > > On 21/05/06 0:12, in article 1hfnv63.7rwgts1yy9z0aN%m...@privacy.net,
> > > "Mister Bartlett" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> > >> Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing
> > >> in terms of touristy shots of Paris.
> >
> > A bit dissapointing in terms of the whole plot, too.
>
> I haven't read the book
Me neither, but I have observed that everyone I know who's read it has
enjoyed it - even those who one wouldn't expect to give it the time of
day.
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The poster formerly known as bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
read Harry Potter either!
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
> *From:* this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy)
> *Date:* Sun, 21 May 2006 15:41:10 +0100
I've read and seen one Harry Potter (Prisoner of Azkaban(sp?) - not bad in
a lightweight way, but I wouldn't rush out to buy another). I will confess
to watching The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe on the way back from
Chicago this week. ;)
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> In article <1hfp26r.1y4d5cukgy7cdN%this_address...@yahoo.com>,
> this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
> duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
[]
> > My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
> > after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
> > read Harry Potter either!
>
> I've read and seen one Harry Potter (Prisoner of Azkaban(sp?) - not bad in
> a lightweight way, but I wouldn't rush out to buy another). I will confess
> to watching The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe on the way back from
> Chicago this week. ;)
Oh, I would have too. I think it was available actually, along with all
the Harry Potter films so far, on my last flight a few weeks ago from
the US- but there were other films further up the list!
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
> *From:* this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_
> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> offy)
> *Date:* Sun, 21 May 2006 15:59:18 +0100
>
> <bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article
> > <1hfp26r.1y4d5cukgy7cdN%this_address...@yahoo.com>,
> > this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
> > the
> > duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
> []
> > > My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it,
> > > and
> > > after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I
> > > never
> > > read Harry Potter either!
> >
> > I've read and seen one Harry Potter (Prisoner of Azkaban(sp?) - not
> > bad in
> > a lightweight way, but I wouldn't rush out to buy another). I will
> > confess
> > to watching The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe on the way back from
> > Chicago this week. ;)
>
> Oh, I would have too. I think it was available actually, along with all
> the Harry Potter films so far, on my last flight a few weeks ago from
> the US- but there were other films further up the list!
I did notice that King Kong had been cut from its theatrical 187 minutes
to (IIRC) 130 - GOK what relation United's version bore to the real thing!
Earl Evleth
1hfp1to.1evu59ma7j4toN%this_address...@yahoo.com, "David Horne,
_the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> The BBC critic Mark Kermode absolutely hated it, but to be fair, he also
> revealed that he chucked the book across the floor after reading a few
> pages of it. Whether true or not, I liked his comment that the movie is
> full of people deciphering coded messages, apparently with no point, and
> usually in dark places.
Movie critics tend to be prima donna types.
I have read all of Brown's books. They have "grabber"
beginnings and do well for the first half or so,
but fall about near the end. So for
me the disappointments come at the end. Angels and Demons
has an ending where the hero survives essentially a
free fall from an plane or helicopter near the ending,
really unbelievable. Also it was easy to figure out who
was the bad guy.
I can't remember the endings of Digital Fortress and
Deception Point but they seem equally as manufactured,
Deus Ex mechanica ending. I thought the end of the
Da Vinci Code as a bit strained but his writing had
much improved by the time he wrote that.
By comparison, John Grisham has much improved
his endings with time. I thought the ending
of one of his first books, "The Client" really
Deus Ex mechanica, the movie reshaped the ending
much better. Grisham's later book progressively
improved and where smooth running all the
way through.
Rog'
> The film has generally received poor reviews. Movie
> reviewers are often economically wrong, however.
Popular American reviewer, Roger Ebert, gives it 3 stars,
out of 4. "Ron Howard's movie is preposterously entertaining."
This makes it a go for me, for curiousity mainly.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> In article <1hfp2zx.o11y4j1x7mc6uN%this_address...@yahoo.com>,
> this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
> duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
[]
> > Oh, I would have too. I think it was available actually, along with all
> > the Harry Potter films so far, on my last flight a few weeks ago from
> > the US- but there were other films further up the list!
>
> I did notice that King Kong had been cut from its theatrical 187 minutes
> to (IIRC) 130 - GOK what relation United's version bore to the real thing!
That's typical of the US airlines I find. Really annoying. European ones
_tend_ not to IME. FWIW, I did rewatch King Kong on one of the recent
flights with KLM, and if it was cut at all- I didn't notice...
Mxsmanic
> Whether true or not, I liked his comment that the movie is
> full of people deciphering coded messages, apparently with no point, and
> usually in dark places.
That part of the book always reminded me of Batman. In the old TV
series (and the movie based on it), Batman and Robin were always
confronted with puzzles, often but not always provided by The Riddler.
These puzzles had zillions of possible interpretations, but B&R always
somehow managed to find exactly the _right_ interpretations required
to solve the puzzles (and Batman emphasized this in some cases by
saying "yes ... the only _possible_ answer," when of course it was
anything but).
In _The Da Vinci Code_, and other Dan Brown books, I see the same
thing: an overabundance of overcomplicated puzzles with zillions of
possible interpretations, and yet the main characters in the book
always seem to stumble across the one-in-a-million interpretation that
happens to be correct. It's extremely unrealistic. In real life,
there are many simple messages that even the NSA can't figure out, and
yet a renowed scholar and a renowned cryptographer/cop manage to
figure out things a hundred times more complex in five paragraphs? I
don't think so.
Mxsmanic
> My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
> after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
> read Harry Potter either!
Harry Potter books are infinitely superior to Dan Brown's pulp.
Earl Evleth
1hfp26r.1y4d5cukgy7cdN%this_address...@yahoo.com, "David Horne,
_the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
> My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
> after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
> read Harry Potter either!
I like long books, really long and one's that take me time to
read. This allows me to read a while and then put it down.
Like a slow long meal. I have read all of the Potter books.
There impact is distantly similar to the impact the Wizard of
Oz series had in the US in my childhood. The Oz series does
not deal with as grim a character as Voldemort or death
of major characters.
I just finished a relatively detailed book on the mafia
"Five Families" "the rise, decline, and resurgence
America's most powerful Mafia Empires", by Selwyn Raab.
It is 700 pages and very complete. Wanting to absorb its
contents I read it in sections, not over 50 pages
at a time.
Earl Evleth
"Mxsmanic" <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Harry Potter books are infinitely superior to Dan Brown's pulp.
Without labeling Brown's work, the Potter books have a planned
overall script which leads up to the end, which will come next
we are not sure what will happened. Rowling telegraphs sufficiently
to know that major characters of the books will die, which is
not Hollywoodian at all. So for the last book we don't know
who will die. Perhaps Voldemort will win and Harry will die.
In that sense, we can not depend on Rowling to give us a
happy ending.
In her last book I knew who was going to die well before the
end. In that sense, with me, she failed to keep her
telegraph in the subconscious of this particular reader.
Being a connected series of books takes more writing genius.
The Dune series does the same thing although I don't think were
preplanned in that sense.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:
>
> > Whether true or not, I liked his comment that the movie is
> > full of people deciphering coded messages, apparently with no point, and
> > usually in dark places.
>
> That part of the book always reminded me of Batman.
That part of the review reminded me of you! :)
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk
Evleth) wrote:
> *From:* Earl Evleth <evl...@wanadoo.fr>
> *Date:* Sun, 21 May 2006 17:30:33 +0200
>
> On 21/05/06 16:41, in article
> 1hfp26r.1y4d5cukgy7cdN%this_address...@yahoo.com, "David Horne,
> _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
> 24h
> offy" <this_address...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
> > after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
> > read Harry Potter either!
>
>
> I like long books, really long and one's that take me time to
> read.
I suspect you would greatly enjoy the new(ish)
Philip Roth, The Plot Against America.
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 17:28:27 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> >prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:
> >
> >> My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
> >> after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
> >> read Harry Potter either!
> >
> >Harry Potter books are infinitely superior to Dan Brown's pulp.
>
> Aimed at a more mature audience?
Perhaps. I've usually heard good things about them...
Gregory Morrow
Rog' wrote:
One US review (IIRC maybe the _New York Times_) said that it took
longer to sit through the movie than to read the book :-)
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Greg
Gregory Morrow
David Horne wrote:
> The funniest 'comment' on this I've seen so far was on the US telly
> programme, The Daily Show with Jon Stewart. (seen in the UK on digital
> channel more4.) They played an ad by some US religious organisation
> which says at one point in the voiceover something like- "the problem
> with this book, is that some people are taking it literally." You
> couldn't make it up!
That's why at times it is SO entertaining to live here in the States
;-)
--
Best
Greg
Gregory Morrow
Hawk wrote:
> List your publications and/or research accomplishments.
Poor gRunge is like the unpopular little kid who never gets invited to
his classmates' birthday parties...
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Greg
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Earl Evleth
1148230506.8...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregor...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> That's why at times it is SO entertaining to live here in the States
> ;-)
>
> --
You people from Chicago have such poor taste. I, on the other hand
was born in Evanston. :-)
Earl Evleth
Evleth" <evl...@wanadoo.fr> wrote:
Which bring up another issue. What is Park Ridge like these days?
Gregory Morrow
Earl Evleth wrote:
Very suburban, I guess. I have so little knowledge of the Chicago
suburbs aka "the land beyond O'Hare", I've confined myself to the city
since I've lived here...
Evanston is doing very well, you can even buy liquor there now ;-)
--
Best
Greg
Earl Evleth
1148231590....@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, "Gregory Morrow"
<gregor...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Evanston is doing very well, you can even buy liquor there now ;-)
I was their star production, Dec 1931. The only problem was
that French authorities would not accept my baby footprint
from the hospital there as proof of birth and identity.
So I had to go to Cook County for that document.
So now I am also French, the Frog from Cook County.
The French, unfortunately, associate everything from
Chicago with Al Capone. No relative, mind you.
But Evanston had booze then.
Dave Frightens Me
>Dan Brown writes like a semi literate, maybe that's what appeals to
>his audience.
Really? Maybe I'll have to get around to reading it then.
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Frank F. Matthews
Earl Evleth wrote:
Then again the film version of 'The Firm' his second book really trashed
the ending. I suppose it was just too complicated for the time available.
Frank F. Matthews
Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 11:51:45 +0200, Jens Arne Maennig
> <maenn...@cricetus.com> wrote:
>
>
>>The Christian community seems to have funny problems. Being neutral
>>in this case, I wouldn't care too much if Jesus was asexual or just a
>>guy with normal desires including the according consequences.
>
>
> Apparently some politicians here in Italy burnt copies of the book.
> Shouldn't they be burning down cinemas instead?
Actually it fits in quite well with tradition since that is what
happened to the documents of interest in the case.
Frank F. Matthews
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <1hfp26r.1y4d5cukgy7cdN%this_address...@yahoo.com>,
> this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the
> duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>
>
>>*From:* this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_
>>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h
>>offy)
>>*Date:* Sun, 21 May 2006 15:41:10 +0100
>>
>><bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>In article
>>><1hfp18l.1qmcwwk1i48zbxN%this_address...@yahoo.com>,
>>>this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of
>>>the
>>>duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>*From:* this_address...@yahoo.com (David Horne, _the_
>>>>chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco
>>>>24h
>>>>offy)
>>>>*Date:* Sun, 21 May 2006 15:30:57 +0100
>>>>
>>>>Jens Arne Maennig <maenn...@cricetus.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Earl Evleth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 21/05/06 0:12, in article
>>>>>>1hfnv63.7rwgts1yy9z0aN%m...@privacy.net,
>>>>>>"Mister Bartlett" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit
>>>>>>
>>>>>>disappointing
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>in terms of touristy shots of Paris.
>>>>>
>>>>>A bit dissapointing in terms of the whole plot, too.
>>>>
>>>>I haven't read the book
>>>
>>>Me neither, but I have observed that everyone I know who's read it has
>>>enjoyed it - even those who one wouldn't expect to give it the time of
>>>day.
>>
>>My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
>>after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
>>read Harry Potter either!
>
>
> I've read and seen one Harry Potter (Prisoner of Azkaban(sp?) - not bad in
> a lightweight way, but I wouldn't rush out to buy another). I will confess
> to watching The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe on the way back from
> Chicago this week. ;)
>
Now LWW was a really disappointing film. As to HP the stories aren't
all that interesting but the writing is exceptional and well fitted to
the target audience. A much better series for the young than 'The Lord
of the Rings' although the latter is the better series for adults. HP
is better than 'The Hobbit' which was intended for children.
Dave Frightens Me
>On Sun, 21 May 2006 16:49:54 +0100, this_address...@yahoo.com
>(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>
>>Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>>> prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:
>>>
>>> > Whether true or not, I liked his comment that the movie is
>>> > full of people deciphering coded messages, apparently with no point, and
>>> > usually in dark places.
>>>
>>> That part of the book always reminded me of Batman.
>>
>>That part of the review reminded me of you! :)
>
>Not half as much as the house contents of the e-bay obsessive mother.
That site is just disturbing. I'd be insuring the lot and torching it
with mummy inside!
Rog'
> One US review (IIRC maybe the _New York Times_) said that
> it took longer to sit through the movie than to read the book :-)
I enjoyed it, but I admit that has problems. While Ian McKellen and
Jean Reno turn in fine performances, but Hanks one-dimensional and
wooden. He's got the cold-aloof-professor bit down, but he has no
connection with the audience or chemistry with the other characters.
His hugging "Sophie" near the end is out of character.
But there is enuff going on that I'd say its sit-able and engaging. It is
technically well made, tightly paced with nice cinematic effects. I did
not find the ending too drawn out. So my take is a 3/4 thumbs-up.
=R=
B Vaughan
wrote:
> .... Jesus could or could not have been celibate,
>the issue is not important. He does not come across as sexist in
>the Gospels. But Paul was an absolute disaster along those lines,
>a lot can be said about his sexuality. It was he and not Jesus
>who took western Christianity off in the "wrong" direction.
A lot of the things that are attributed to Paul were written much
later by others using his name, which was not considered dishonest in
ancient times.
Paul himself stated plainly that men and women were equal in the
church, saying (quoted from memory) "there is neither Greek or Hebrew,
slave or free, male or female, but all are equal in Christ." Besides,
some of his main collaborators were female, and when he sends greeting
to his "fellow workers", he often mentions the women in first place.
He did sometimes recommend that women not take a prominent place in
public, but this was quite possibly because it was a major sticking
point with the society at large, and the Christian community was often
accused by outsiders of indecency.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
B Vaughan
(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>Martin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 May 2006 17:28:27 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>> >prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:
>> >
>> >> My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
>> >> after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
>> >> read Harry Potter either!
>> >
>> >Harry Potter books are infinitely superior to Dan Brown's pulp.
>>
>> Aimed at a more mature audience?
>
>Perhaps. I've usually heard good things about them...
I read several of them (the first four) the last time I was at my
daughter's house. I started the fifth but didn't have time to finish
it. They weren't bad, but I wasn't curious enough to buy the fifth to
see how it turns out. I wouldn't have even started them, but I had
already read most of her other books, except for the musicology texts
and some authors I know I don't like, and Harry Potter won out over
those.
B Vaughan
>On Sun, 21 May 2006 17:30:20 +0100, this_address...@yahoo.com
>(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>
>>Martin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 May 2006 17:28:27 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>>> >prestwich tesco 24h offy writes:
>>> >
>>> >> My partner enjoyed it. I just never bothered getting round to it, and
>>> >> after all the hype, I tend to just shy away from such things. I never
>>> >> read Harry Potter either!
>>> >
>>> >Harry Potter books are infinitely superior to Dan Brown's pulp.
>>>
>>> Aimed at a more mature audience?
>>
>>Perhaps. I've usually heard good things about them...
>
>Dan Brown writes like a semi literate, maybe that's what appeals to
>his audience.
--
Earl Evleth
"Frank F. Matthews" <frankfm...@houston.rr.com> wrote:
>
> Then again the film version of 'The Firm' his second book really trashed
> the ending. I suppose it was just too complicated for the time available.
>
Grisham has played the same theme several times of getting the money
(whatever money) into a Caribbean island country (or Panama) for laundrying
purposes and then transferring it around so it can't be traced. I don't
think he has used any of the European "offshores" for that (Isle of Man,
or the Channel Islands) in his plots but I don't think these sites are
susceptible to this kind of shiftless shifting of funds.
I assume this can be done in theory. I also assume one will eventually
get caught at it. Abramhoff in the US is one example.
congokid
bar...@cix.compulink.co.uk writes
>> I like long books, really long and one's that take me time to
>> read.
>
>I suspect you would greatly enjoy the new(ish)
>Philip Roth, The Plot Against America.
Or Vikram Seth's 'A Suitable Boy'.
--
congokid
Eating out in London? Read my tips...
http://congokid.com
Des Small
> I like long books, really long and one's that take me time to
> read. This allows me to read a while and then put it down.
The Encyclopedia Brittanica? The Paris Phonebook?
Des
Earl Evleth
"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> On 22 May 2006 18:01:45 +0100, Des Small <vonb...@yahoo.co.uk>
> The latter is full of weird characters but no has plot
I tried the Brittanica as a kid, but did not get
beyond Aarvark.
Give me an A for effort, Even an AA.
Earl Evleth
"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Give me an A for effort, Even an AA.
>
> Give me a g
> Give me a R
> Give me a U
> Give me a N
> Give me a G
> Give me a E
>
> and what have I got?
>
> Rubbish!
Your polite opinion. Other
attributions are more accurate.
didier Meurgues
Earl Evleth a écrit :
> On 21/05/06 0:12, in article 1hfnv63.7rwgts1yy9z0aN%m...@privacy.net, "Mister
> Bartlett" <m...@privacy.net> wrote: w
>
> > Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing in
> > terms of touristy shots of Paris.
> >
> > However (SPOILER ALERT)
> >
> > the general idea seems to be that Audrey Tautou must be followed and
> > worshipped. Works for me.
> >
> > Mr B;
>
> The film has generally received poor reviews. Movie reviewers
> are often economically wrong, however.
>
> It had record attendance in Italy, which will not please the Vatican, and
> apparently China has well received it. Hollywood's domestic movie goer
> market has stagnated for years and currently is exceeded by an international
> market. So a failure at home does not imply one abroad.
>
> I have seen no French review yet. Prior to its release the articles
> tended to concentrate at the positive tourist impact of the book
> and the film.
They said that it was poorly received at the film festival of Cannes
because of Ron Howard too conventional (and "chopped"/discontinuous?)
direction and that for instance some people laughed when Tautou learns
that she is the heir of the Christ. But this scene is not badly filmed
IMO and has in itself a kind of comic of situation. So I must confess
that I also smiled when I saw it... The film is faithfull to the book
(it "seems" that some too obvious errors for people knowing Paris,
sometimes denounced here by Mxsmanics, were skipped in the french
version) but not the fact that the former Paris meridian doesn't pass
inside St Sulpice or above the inverted pyramid of the Louvre (it
passes nearby and over the Sully pavillon) or that Godefroy de Bouillon
was not king, etc... But the explanations of Brown theory are very
clear and the complex story is consequently understandable (even if it
doesn't convince me).
PS : :+) They DID find some toilets opening on the Seine, contrary to
what I said in a former post : probably those of the Visconti offices
of the Louvre staff, not those of the public spaces which I only knew,
because the policemen go in the director's office as we can see in the
film.
> As for Audrey Tautou, the American film credits in the film misspelled her
> last name, as did this news item " Audrey Tatou Nearly Missed Out on 'Da
> Vinci Code' Role"
IMO she doesn't play very well at the beginning, in the Louvre for ex.
(a bit cold and stressed). She seems to not speak english naturaly and
to fear mistakes. Perhaps was she a bit impressed by Hanks too. By
reaction he seems a bit annoyed and cold too at the beginning. That
slows down the rythm until the middle of the film.
didier Meurgues
> http://www.starpulse.com/news/index.php/2006/05/09/audrey_tatou_nearly_misse
> d_out_on_da_vin
Dave Frightens Me
wrote:
>Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing in
>terms of touristy shots of Paris.
I started reading the book yesterday for some inane reason. Thus far
it's ok. Not sure what the fuss is about, as it's obviously fiction
from the onset.
Frank F. Matthews
Dave Frightens Me wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:12:33 +0200, m...@privacy.net (Mister Bartlett)
> wrote:
>
>
>>Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing in
>>terms of touristy shots of Paris.
>
>
> I started reading the book yesterday for some inane reason. Thus far
> it's ok. Not sure what the fuss is about, as it's obviously fiction
> from the onset.
Even fiction can encourage dangerous thoughts.
Mxsmanic
> Even fiction can encourage dangerous thoughts.
Actions are sometimes dangerous, but not thoughts.
--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
Padraig Breathnach
>Frank F. Matthews writes:
>
>> Even fiction can encourage dangerous thoughts.
>
>Actions are sometimes dangerous, but not thoughts.
Wrong.
--
PB
The return address has been MUNGED
Earl Evleth
1148327311.6...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com, "didier Meurgues"
<erdni...@voila.fr> wrote:
> IMO she doesn't play very well at the beginning, in the Louvre for ex.
> (a bit cold and stressed). She seems to not speak english naturaly and
> to fear mistakes. Perhaps was she a bit impressed by Hanks too. By
> reaction he seems a bit annoyed and cold too at the beginning. That
> slows down the rythm until the middle of the film.
I have not yet seen the film. But for me Hanks or probably any other
leading man from Hollywood is not professorial enough of the part
of Langdon. In fact I would have preferred an Cambridge or Oxford
type for that role in the book and the film.
For a great art history film I proposed doing "September Morn",
the great mystery on how the painting became famous. As a piece
of art I prefer it over the Mona Lisa, who displays merely a smile
(or sort of) but the maid of September Morn displays ALL.
*****
http://www.bullworks.net/ffg/sptmrn/sptmrn.html
The web site has a reproduction of the famous painting.
***
On a September morning in 1912, French painter Paul Chabas finished the
painting he had been working on for three consecutive summers. Thus
completed, it was aptly titled "Matinee de Septembre" (September Morn). As
was typical of his style, the painting was of young maiden posed nude in a
natural setting. This time the icy morning waters of Lake Annecy in Upper
Savoy formed the natural setting and the maiden was a local peasant girl.
The head, however, had been painted from the sketch of a young American
girl, Julie Phillips (later Mrs. Thompson), which he had made while she and
her mother were sitting in a Paris cafe. Apparently, he had found her
profile to be exactly what he was looking for. The completed painting was
then sent off to the Paris Salon of 1912 to be exhibited. Although the
painting won Mr. Chabas the Medal of Honor, it caused no flurry of
attention. Hoping to find a buyer, the artist shipped the painting overseas
to an American gallery.
It was here in America that the painting was destined to receive undreamed
of publicity and popularity. One day in May of 1913, displayed in the
window* of a Manhattan art gallery, it caught the eye of Anthony Comstock,
head of the New York Society for the Suppression of Vice. Horrified by what
he saw, he stormed into the store, flashed his badge, and roared: "There's
too little morn and too much maid. Take her out!" The gallery manager,
however, refused to do so. The ensuing controversy was given wide publicity
by the press and the painting was simultaneously denounced and defended
across the entire country. Meanwhile, curious crowds filled the street
outside the shop straining to see the painting that caused such a stir.
*in fact, it was a set up by Harry Reichenbach
http://www.sniggle.net/septmorn.php
Harry Reichenbach is best known for the publicity stunts he used to bring
crowds into early B-movies:
But he describes what was perhaps his most poetic hack in the book Phantom
Fame:.
I applied for work at a small art shop that had printed a lithograph of a
nude girl standing in a quiet pool. The picture sold at ten cents apiece
but nobody would buy it. I could earn my month?s rent if I had an idea for
disposing of the two thousand copies in stock. It occurred to me to
introduce the immodest young maiden to Anthony Comstock, head of the
Anti-Vice Society and arch-angel of virtue. At first he refused to jump at
the opportunity to be shocked. I telephoned him several times, protesting
against a large display of the picture which I myself had installed in the
window of the art shop. Then I arranged for other people to protest and at
last I visited him personally. "This picture is an outrage!" I cried.
"It's undermining the morals of our city?s youth!?
When we arrived in front of the store window, a group of youngsters I had
hired especially for this performance at fifty cents apiece, stood
pointing at the picture, uttering expressions of unholy glee and making
grimaces too sophisticated for their years. Comstock swallowed the scene
and almost choked. "Remove that picture!" he fumed, and when the
shopkeeper refused, the Anti-Vice Society appealed to the courts. This
brought the picture into he newspapers and into fame. Overnight, the
lithograph that had been rejected as a brewer's calendar, became a vital
national issue. Songs were written about it, actors wisecracked about it,
reformers denounced it, and seven million men and women bought copies of it
at a dollar apiece, framed it and hung it on the walls of their homes. The
name of the picture was "September Morn.? There was no more immorality or
suggestiveness to it than sister's photograph as a baby in the family
album.
Soon enterprising entrepreneurs were reproducing September Morn on
everything conceivable: calendars, postcards, candy boxes, cigar bands,
cigarette flannels, pennents, suspenders, bottle openers, and more. Purity
leagues tried to suppress it. Postcard reproductions were forbidden in the
mails. The painting became the object of stock show gags and even inspired
an anonymous couplet that swept the country, "Please don't think I'm bad or
bold, but where its deep it's awwful cold."
The painting went back to Paul Chabas who sold it to a Russian collector for
the ruble equivalent of $10,000. After the Russian Revolution it turned up
in Paris in the Gulbenkian Collection. Ultimately the painting was purchased
by Philadelphia Main Liner Williaim Coxe Wright and donated to Manhattan's
Metropolitan Museum in 1957 after being refused by the Philadelphia Museum
of Art because it had no significance in the twentieth century stream of
art. It's estimated market value in 1957 was $30,000. The painting still
hangs in the Metropolitan Museum as an example of 20th century French works
and reproductions can be purchased in the museum's gift shop.
***
The Orsay Museum today also displays some paintings from the same period
which have the name of "L¹ART POMPIER", merely for reasons of art history.
http://www.artcult.com/pompa.htm
voir Adolphe Alexander Lesrel, "Bacchante enivrée"
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:12:33 +0200, m...@privacy.net (Mister Bartlett)
> wrote:
>
> >Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing in
> >terms of touristy shots of Paris.
>
> I started reading the book yesterday for some inane reason. Thus far
> it's ok. Not sure what the fuss is about, as it's obviously fiction
> from the onset.
The problem is that some people believe what they read in books. That's
what the Catholic Church said anyway- with no sense of irony I assume.
--
David Horne- http://www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk
http://homepage.mac.com/davidhornecomposer http://soundjunction.org
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:26:18 +0100, this_address...@yahoo.com
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>
> >Dave Frightens Me <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:12:33 +0200, m...@privacy.net (Mister Bartlett)
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing in
> >> >terms of touristy shots of Paris.
> >>
> >> I started reading the book yesterday for some inane reason. Thus far
> >> it's ok. Not sure what the fuss is about, as it's obviously fiction
> >> from the onset.
> >
> >The problem is that some people believe what they read in books. That's
> >what the Catholic Church said anyway- with no sense of irony I assume.
>
> The BBC did a good hatchet job on both Da Vinci Cod and the New
> Testament last week.
On purpose? :)
Earl Evleth
"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> (or sort of) but the maid of September Morn displays ALL.
>>
>> *****
>>
>> http://www.bullworks.net/ffg/sptmrn/sptmrn.html
> So has this site
> http://shopping.animazing.com/gallery/daffy/september_morn.jpg
>
> and this
> http://www.mindspring.com/~siamese/images/sepmor.htm
>
> Those with reasonable vision will note that she does not display all.
> --
What else were you thinking of? She is not smiling so her teeth
are undisplayed.
Dave Frightens Me
>On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:26:18 +0100, this_address...@yahoo.com
>(David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
>prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>
>>Dave Frightens Me <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 May 2006 00:12:33 +0200, m...@privacy.net (Mister Bartlett)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> >Went to see Da Vinci Code tonight, which was a bit disappointing in
>>> >terms of touristy shots of Paris.
>>>
>>> I started reading the book yesterday for some inane reason. Thus far
>>> it's ok. Not sure what the fuss is about, as it's obviously fiction
>>> from the onset.
>>
>>The problem is that some people believe what they read in books. That's
>>what the Catholic Church said anyway- with no sense of irony I assume.
>
>The BBC did a good hatchet job on both Da Vinci Cod and the New
>Testament last week.
I missed that. What was it called (for P2P purposes)?
Dave Frightens Me
<padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie> wrote:
>Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Frank F. Matthews writes:
>>
>>> Even fiction can encourage dangerous thoughts.
>>
>>Actions are sometimes dangerous, but not thoughts.
>
>Wrong.
I actually think Mixi is right on that one. I can't think of a single
dangerous thought.
Padraig Breathnach
>On Tue, 23 May 2006 06:50:54 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
><padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie> wrote:
>
>>Mxsmanic <mxsm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Frank F. Matthews writes:
>>>
>>>> Even fiction can encourage dangerous thoughts.
>>>
>>>Actions are sometimes dangerous, but not thoughts.
>>
>>Wrong.
>
>I actually think Mixi is right on that one. I can't think of a single
>dangerous thought.
>
Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious actions
originate in thoughts.
Bert Hyman
news:kbi67294pmonikh5s...@4ax.com:
> Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious
> actions originate in thoughts.
But until there's action, the thoughts are harmless to everyone but
the thinker.
--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN | be...@iphouse.com
Des Small
> Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious actions
> originate in thoughts.
Thoughts don't injurious people, actions do!
Des
B Vaughan
>padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie (Padraig Breathnach) wrote in
>news:kbi67294pmonikh5s...@4ax.com:
>
>> Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious
>> actions originate in thoughts.
>
>But until there's action, the thoughts are harmless to everyone but
>the thinker.
However, you admit that thoughts can be harmful to the thinker.
--
Barbara Vaughan
My email address is my first initial followed by my surname at libero dot it
I answer travel questions only in the newsgroup
Bert Hyman
news:p1n672h9lhnvj6pmp...@4ax.com:
> On 23 May 2006 17:50:28 GMT, Bert Hyman <be...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>
>>padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie (Padraig Breathnach) wrote in
>>news:kbi67294pmonikh5s...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious
>>> actions originate in thoughts.
>>
>>But until there's action, the thoughts are harmless to everyone but
>>the thinker.
>
> However, you admit that thoughts can be harmful to the thinker.
But only to his personality; they won't cause him to burst into
flames or anything.
Padraig Breathnach
That doesn't negate my point. A thought that leads towards an
injurious action can be considered a dangerous thought.
Dave Frightens Me
>Is Dan Brown really Mixi?
>
>"According to his personal website, 41-year-old Dan Brown gets up and
>starts writing each day at four in the morning. He writes with an
>antique hour glass on his desk and at the end of each 60 minute period
>he does sit-ups, stretches and push-ups.
>
>He also confesses to wearing gravity boots, saying: "Hanging upside
>down seems to help me solve plot challenges by shifting my entire
>perspective." "
Damn, you need another hobby!
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
[]
> Is Dan Brown really Mixi?
>
> "According to his personal website, 41-year-old Dan Brown gets up and
> starts writing each day at four in the morning.
Sounds more like me! :) I slept in until 5am this morning...
David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco 24h offy
> On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:41:26 +0100, this_address...@yahoo.com
> (David Horne, _the_ chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and
> prestwich tesco 24h offy) wrote:
>
> >Martin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> >
> >[]
> >> Is Dan Brown really Mixi?
> >>
> >> "According to his personal website, 41-year-old Dan Brown gets up and
> >> starts writing each day at four in the morning.
> >
> >Sounds more like me! :) I slept in until 5am this morning...
>
> and then you hung from the curtain rail for an hour?
I skipped that bit. I did squeeze some citrus fruits, if that counts?
Dave Frightens Me
<padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie> wrote:
>Des Small <vonb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Padraig Breathnach <padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie> writes:
>>
>>> Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious actions
>>> originate in thoughts.
>>
>>Thoughts don't injurious people, actions do!
>>
>That doesn't negate my point. A thought that leads towards an
>injurious action can be considered a dangerous thought.
That's abstract though. As thoughts cannot be directly controlled, the
actions resulting from them are distinct.
Padraig Breathnach
I don't argue that thought can be directly controlled, but I don't
think it is relevant either.
I accept that actions can be directly observed, while the thoughts
behind them can not; they can be inferred, perhaps not accurately. But
that does not mean that they are distinct.
If I were to follow your line of reasoning, then I could not hold you
accountable for any of your actions, because they would not be
connected with the essential "you". That is a dangerous line of
Mxsmanic
> Wrong.
I do not find this persuasive.
--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.
Mxsmanic
> Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious actions
> originate in thoughts.
Most thoughts result in no actions at all.
Mxsmanic
> That doesn't negate my point. A thought that leads towards an
> injurious action can be considered a dangerous thought.
Like thoughtcrime?
Mxsmanic
> He also confesses to wearing gravity boots, saying: "Hanging upside
> down seems to help me solve plot challenges by shifting my entire
> perspective." "
And by improving circulation to his brain, perhaps.
Dave Frightens Me
<padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie> wrote:
>Dave Frightens Me <deepfreudmoors@eITmISaACTUALLYiREAL!l.nu> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 May 2006 20:30:41 +0100, Padraig Breathnach
>><padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie> wrote:
>>
>>>Des Small <vonb...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Padraig Breathnach <padr...@MUNGEDiol.ie> writes:
>>>>
>>>>> Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious actions
>>>>> originate in thoughts.
>>>>
>>>>Thoughts don't injurious people, actions do!
>>>>
>>>That doesn't negate my point. A thought that leads towards an
>>>injurious action can be considered a dangerous thought.
>>
>>That's abstract though. As thoughts cannot be directly controlled, the
>>actions resulting from them are distinct.
>>
>I don't argue that thought can be directly controlled, but I don't
>think it is relevant either.
>
>I accept that actions can be directly observed, while the thoughts
>behind them can not; they can be inferred, perhaps not accurately. But
>that does not mean that they are distinct.
>
>If I were to follow your line of reasoning, then I could not hold you
>accountable for any of your actions, because they would not be
>connected with the essential "you". That is a dangerous line of
>thought.
And a completely irrelevant one. It's your actions that determine
accountability, and not who one is or what they think.
Padraig Breathnach
Not your actions alone. Those who investigate crime and those
concerned with determining responsibility are very interested in
motive. If you injure somebody accidentally, then you are considered
less culpable than if you did so intentionally.
Padraig Breathnach
>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>
>> Thought and action are not entirely separate. Many injurious actions
>> originate in thoughts.
>
>Most thoughts result in no actions at all.
So?
Padraig Breathnach
>Padraig Breathnach writes:
>
>> Wrong.
>
>I do not find this persuasive.
I like brevity in argument. It saves time.
Mxsmanic
> So?
So thought and action are almost entirely separate, which in turn
means that attempting to regulate thought has no justification in
public safety.