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FPdA

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Jul 21, 2005, 3:02:39 PM7/21/05
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Hi,
My wife and I plan to escape from summer heat waves in Seville (41º right
now!!!) and will be travelling to Scotland this August (2nd to 14th). I've
hired a car and plan to spend a couple of days in Edinburgh (we're more
country landscape watchers then city birds)...
Where else would you go besides Skye, Loch Lomond, The Trossachs and, most
probably St. Andrews, Stirling and Fort Williams???
Are these places worth a visit?
Inverewe Gardens
Ullapool
Loch Ness
Stirling...
Any other not to be missed?
Following recommendations from friends we've booked accommodation in
Edinburgh well in advance but, is it really worth it booking B&B's outside
the capital city, or would you rather do it as you travel, stopping where
you see the "vacancies" sign???
Thank for your help!!
FPdA,
Seville.

Zhu De

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Jul 21, 2005, 3:13:37 PM7/21/05
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"FPdA" <fp...@yahooQUITAESTO.es> wrote in message
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<< My wife and I plan to escape from summer heat waves in Seville (41º right
now!!!) and will be travelling to Scotland this August (2nd to 14th). I've
hired a car and plan to spend a couple of days in Edinburgh (we're more
country landscape watchers then city birds)...
Where else would you go besides Skye, Loch Lomond, The Trossachs and, most
probably St. Andrews, Stirling and Fort Williams???>>

Forget it. Stay in Edinburgh. You are right in the middle of the Edinburgh
Festival.

http://www.edinburghfestivals.co.uk/

The rest of Scotland pales into insignificance during these three or four
weeks or so. Only problem is getting accommodation.

It is an experience of a lifetime not to be missed.


tim (moved to sweden)

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"FPdA" <fp...@yahooQUITAESTO.es> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> My wife and I plan to escape from summer heat waves in Seville (41º right
> now!!!) and will be travelling to Scotland this August (2nd to 14th). I've
> hired a car and plan to spend a couple of days in Edinburgh (we're more
> country landscape watchers then city birds)...
> Where else would you go besides Skye, Loch Lomond, The Trossachs and, most
> probably St. Andrews, Stirling and Fort Williams???
> Are these places worth a visit?
> Inverewe Gardens
No idea.

> Ullapool
No,

> Loch Ness
Yes

> Stirling...
Definately

> Any other not to be missed?

A distillery or two, most of the well-known ones are on Speyside.
Culross
Glamis Castle
Mull, it's a lot harder to get to than Skye though.

> Following recommendations from friends we've booked accommodation in
> Edinburgh well in advance but, is it really worth it booking B&B's outside
> the capital city, or would you rather do it as you travel, stopping where
> you see the "vacancies" sign???

It will propably be better to go into the loacl Tourist office and
have them find you somehere. They will charge yoiu a couple
of pounds for this

HTH

tim


Jack Campin - bogus address

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Jul 21, 2005, 7:58:56 PM7/21/05
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> My wife and I plan to escape from summer heat waves in Seville (41º right
> now!!!) and will be travelling to Scotland this August (2nd to 14th). I've
> hired a car and plan to spend a couple of days in Edinburgh (we're more
> country landscape watchers then city birds)...

As other people have pointed out, that's during the Edinburgh Festival,
which is worth a few days of just about anybody's time, if you can get
accommodation.


> Where else would you go besides Skye, Loch Lomond, The Trossachs and, most
> probably St. Andrews, Stirling and Fort Williams???

Stirling Castle is more interesting than the whole of St Andrews. Loch
Lomond is only worth seeing from the window of a vehicle going somewhere
else. Fort William is a dump, but you have to go through it to get
to points north and west. There is bugger-all point in visiting the
Trossachs if you've got time to go further; they were developed as a
19th century railway tourist destination so people could say they'd
seen Highland scenery without it taking more than a daytrip.


> Are these places worth a visit?
> Inverewe Gardens

No idea. I don't do gardens. Try the Edinburgh Botanics and see
if that's enough garden for your trip (they always have something
good on for the Festival anyway).


> Ullapool

Nice place, but best if you can use it as a base for walking or a boat
trip. You will get a *lot* more out of the Highlands if you get off
the road for a full day's walk somewhere - e.g. if you're fit enough,
climb Ben Cruachan from the road to Oban; there are other hills
equally accessible from major roads.


> Loch Ness

Big stretch of water with rather dull hills on each side and leading
to Inverness, which is a dump well worth avoiding. For an atmospheric
loch, try Loch Morar, Loch Eck, Loch Treig or Loch Awe (which leads to
Oban, a much prettier place than either Fort William or Inverness).


> Stirling...
> Any other not to be missed?

Crichton Castle, Blackness Castle, Roslin Chapel (all near Edinburgh
and uniquely atmospheric - the first two don't get many visitors).

Boat trips: <http://www.btinternet.com/~Paddlers/PSWaverley/> for a
kind of boat ride you will not find anywhere else in the world (don't
bother with the official website, it's fucked). "Maid of the Forth"
to Inchcolm. The trip to the Isle of May from Anstruther (amazing
place if you're at all interested in birds). The open-boat trip
round the Bass Rock from North Berwick. The trip to Staffa from
Iona (bumpy even in good weather, not for the nervous) - that means
doing Mull instead of Skye.


> Following recommendations from friends we've booked accommodation in
> Edinburgh well in advance but, is it really worth it booking B&B's outside
> the capital city, or would you rather do it as you travel, stopping where
> you see the "vacancies" sign???

At that time of year accommodation will be full in most of the more
desirable places.

Use the tourist board's "book a bed ahead" scheme, but not for Ullapool,
where they blacklist the best hotel in town (The Ceilidh Place) for not
having TVs in the rooms. (I believe the tourist board also recommend
the nearby Aultguish Inn, which is the nastiest shithole I have ever
stayed in in Scotland).

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Mark Hewitt

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"FPdA" <fp...@yahooQUITAESTO.es> wrote in message
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> Hi,
> My wife and I plan to escape from summer heat waves in Seville (41º right
> now!!!) and will be travelling to Scotland this August (2nd to 14th). I've
> hired a car and plan to spend a couple of days in Edinburgh (we're more
> country landscape watchers then city birds)...

Edinburgh bores me, but that's because I've been about 2 dozen times now, it
didn't bore me to begin with :o). As others have said it's festival time so
make sure you accomodation is booked *now*.

> Where else would you go besides Skye

Quite nice, but a long drive, don't underestimate the distances in Scotland,
the roads aren't brilliant.

>Loch Lomond, The Trossachs

I love the Trossachs, the best thing about them is you can stay in Edinburgh
and have a day trip out to the Trossachs and be back in time for tea!

> probably St. Andrews

It's a golf course and a university? What's to see really?

>Stirling

A lovely place, if you ignore the concrete car parks, the castle and the
wallace monument are well worth a visit. I did the open top bus ride there
which was fun.

> and Fort Williams???

You mean Fort William? Might be worth a stop for a while on the way to Skye.

> Any other not to be missed?
> Following recommendations from friends we've booked accommodation in
> Edinburgh well in advance but, is it really worth it booking B&B's outside
> the capital city, or would you rather do it as you travel, stopping where
> you see the "vacancies" sign???

Depends on how you want to play things really. The usual chain motels are
few are far between in the highlands, so it's up to you if you want to risk
it, you'll have to devote some of your time to finding a place to stay but
with that sort of holiday it can be part of the fun! But keep in mind that
August is the school holidays in the whole of the UK, popular tourist places
will be busy. Don't be surprised if you have to drive a while to find
somewhere to stay.


ash

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Jul 22, 2005, 4:17:41 AM7/22/05
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The problem with Scotland is that the vast majority of towns are complete
dumps, in total contrast to the surrounding scenery which is among the most
beautiful in the world. An exception to the town comment is Edinburgh, of
course, which is magnificent.
I've not been to St Andrews but get the impression that there is not much to
it, and unlike other posts, I wasn't too impressed by Stirling.
Fort William is no worse than any other town and makes a great base for
touring.
If you like mountains rather than lowland scenery I would concentrate on the
West coast of Scotland from Oban up to Ullapool, which includes Glencoe,
Glenshiel, Torridon etc. You will be in heaven.
Take a midge spray, though!!!!


chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco

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Jul 22, 2005, 4:32:32 AM7/22/05
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ash <yankam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The problem with Scotland is that the vast majority of towns are complete
> dumps, in total contrast to the surrounding scenery which is among the most
> beautiful in the world. An exception to the town comment is Edinburgh, of
> course, which is magnificent.

The centre certainly is, but it has its share of uninteresting (and even
drab) housing around it. The thing with scottish towns and cities is
that they have changed and built-up over the centuries as their
populations grew. So, you frequently have to put the housing estates etc
and industry to one side to appeciate what are often very intersting and
well preserved old centres.

> I've not been to St Andrews but get the impression that there is not much to
> it, and unlike other posts, I wasn't too impressed by Stirling.

Again, Stirling as a city isn't particularly interesting, but the 'old'
part of the town, around the castle, certainly is. Wallace's Monument is
a relatively recent addition, being built in the mid 19th century.
However, it's worth the visit to the top just for the view alone-
providing the weather isn't inclement.

I agree that St. Andrews itself isn't the most interesting town in
Scotland (though there's a mild bit of interest.) However, there are
some nice little villages along the Fife coast, so a visit to that
region could be worthwhile.

> Fort William is no worse than any other town and makes a great base for
> touring.
> If you like mountains rather than lowland scenery I would concentrate on the
> West coast of Scotland from Oban up to Ullapool, which includes Glencoe,
> Glenshiel, Torridon etc. You will be in heaven.
> Take a midge spray, though!!!!

In addition, I also think it's worth considering a drive up the far
north east- towards Wick and Thurso in Caithness. It's a different kind
of scenery (often more desolate, but in its way very beautiful) and less
touristy. Less of a midge problem there too!

--
David Horne- www.davidhorne.net
usenet (at) davidhorne (dot) co (dot) uk

FPdA

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Jul 22, 2005, 5:02:30 AM7/22/05
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Thank you everyone for your help.

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> ash <yankam...@hotmail.com> wrote:

The Reids

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Jul 22, 2005, 5:22:35 AM7/22/05
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Following up to FPdA

>Where else would you go besides Skye, Loch Lomond, The Trossachs and, most
>probably St. Andrews, Stirling and Fort Williams???
>Are these places worth a visit?
>Inverewe Gardens
>Ullapool
>Loch Ness
>Stirling...

OK, you prefer landscape to towns and as a lot of Scottish towns
are nothing special, concentrate on the landscape. Keep to the
west coast, up past Loch Lomond and across Rannoch Moor and
through Glencoe stopping at the Clachaig. Fort William is OK for
a place to stay further on. Then drive out on the road to the
Isles to Skye, stop for lunch at the Cluanie Inn on the way. The
Sligahan near the Black Cuillin hills is worth a visit and get
out and do some walking on the Trotternish ridge in north Skye.
The outer hebrides are also very interesting, consider taking the
ferry from North Skye to Uist for a couple of days. Arran is
another island worth considering and Torridon in the north has
some impressive mountains set in flat surroundings, also good
coast. Take midge cream and waterproofs in August.
Scottish island photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/skyepics.htm"
Scottish highlands photos "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk\pict350.htm"
Introduction to walking
"http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page38.htm#highlands"
There are a lot of ancient remains on Orkey and Shetland, if
time/money allows take the overnight Aberdeen ferry to Shetland.

Do as much of that as you fancy. do try and climb one of the
easier hills, maybe Ben Nevis by the tourist toute.
--
Mike Reid
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Keith W

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"FPdA" <fp...@yahooQUITAESTO.es> wrote in message
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>
> Hi,
> My wife and I plan to escape from summer heat waves in Seville (41º right
> now!!!) and will be travelling to Scotland this August (2nd to 14th). I've
> hired a car and plan to spend a couple of days in Edinburgh (we're more
> country landscape watchers then city birds)...
> Where else would you go besides Skye, Loch Lomond, The Trossachs and, most
> probably St. Andrews, Stirling and Fort Williams???
> Are these places worth a visit?
> Inverewe Gardens
> Ullapool
> Loch Ness

Yes and if you intend visting Loch Ness spend a night in Inverness

> Stirling...

Undoubtedly

> Any other not to be missed?

Blair Atholl, Pitlochry and Perth which you can fit in driving from
Edinburgh to Inverness


> Following recommendations from friends we've booked accommodation in
> Edinburgh well in advance but, is it really worth it booking B&B's outside
> the capital city, or would you rather do it as you travel, stopping where
> you see the "vacancies" sign???

Not in August, its the peak holiday season

Keith

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"FPdA" <fp...@yahooQUITAESTO.es> wrote in message
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>
> Hi,
> My wife and I plan to escape from summer heat waves in Seville (41º right
> now!!!) and will be travelling to Scotland this August (2nd to 14th). I've
> hired a car and plan to spend a couple of days in Edinburgh (we're more
> country landscape watchers then city birds)...
> Where else would you go besides Skye, Loch Lomond, The Trossachs and, most
> probably St. Andrews, Stirling and Fort Williams???
> Are these places worth a visit?
> Inverewe Gardens
> Ullapool
> Loch Ness

Yes and if you intend visting Loch Ness spend a night in Inverness

> Stirling...

Undoubtedly

> Any other not to be missed?

Blair Atholl, Pitlochry and Perth which you can fit in driving from
Edinburgh to Inverness


> Following recommendations from friends we've booked accommodation in
> Edinburgh well in advance but, is it really worth it booking B&B's outside
> the capital city, or would you rather do it as you travel, stopping where
> you see the "vacancies" sign???

Not in August, its the peak holiday season

ash

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.> Introduction to walking

> "http://www.fellwalk.co.uk/page38.htm#highlands"
> There are a lot of ancient remains on Orkey and Shetland, if
> time/money allows take the overnight Aberdeen ferry to Shetland.
>
> Do as much of that as you fancy. do try and climb one of the
> easier hills, maybe Ben Nevis by the tourist toute.

I would hesitate to tell anyone I didn't know to climb Ben Nevis, the
highest mountain in Britain. The tourist route starts virtually at sea level
and there is well over 4000ft to get up. Technically very easy but a long
walk and dangerous at the top if the cloud comes down. Coming down is harder
on tired legs than the ascent.There are very many easier walks in Scotland
to get up to the tops.
I would recommend Pitlochry as a town and the trip to Orkney but by the
short ferry crossing (?Scrabster, near John O'Groats) to maximise time.


The Reids

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Jul 22, 2005, 7:42:41 AM7/22/05
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Following up to ash

>> Do as much of that as you fancy. do try and climb one of the
>> easier hills, maybe Ben Nevis by the tourist toute.
>
>I would hesitate to tell anyone I didn't know to climb Ben Nevis

Yes, good point, that's needs qualification to fitness and some
idea about walking and map reading.

>I would recommend Pitlochry as a town and the trip to Orkney but by the
>short ferry crossing (?Scrabster, near John O'Groats) to maximise time.

The thing is the Aberdeen/Orkney/Shetland ferry does maximise
time as it sails during the night while you sleep and saves on a
hotel and Aberdeen has good road access from the Central
Lowlands.

chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco

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The Reids <don...@fell-walker.co.uk> wrote:

> Following up to ash
>
> >> Do as much of that as you fancy. do try and climb one of the
> >> easier hills, maybe Ben Nevis by the tourist toute.
> >
> >I would hesitate to tell anyone I didn't know to climb Ben Nevis
>
> Yes, good point, that's needs qualification to fitness and some
> idea about walking and map reading.
>
> >I would recommend Pitlochry as a town and the trip to Orkney but by the
> >short ferry crossing (?Scrabster, near John O'Groats) to maximise time.
>
> The thing is the Aberdeen/Orkney/Shetland ferry does maximise
> time as it sails during the night while you sleep and saves on a
> hotel and Aberdeen has good road access from the Central
> Lowlands.

And while it can seem expensive, it's worth thinking about flying-
especially if you don't want to go all the way up to the north of
Scotland. (I suspect this isn't an issue for the OP- who I think will be
hiring a car.)

By rail or bus, getting to Orkney can be quite a brutal trip from the
centre of Scotland. It's a good 7-8 hours just getting the train from
Edinburgh or Glasgow to Thurso.

S Viemeister

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Jul 22, 2005, 8:42:37 AM7/22/05
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The Reids wrote:

> There are a lot of ancient remains on Orkey and Shetland, if
> time/money allows take the overnight Aberdeen ferry to Shetland.
>

The OP could go up the west coast, then across the north coast - lovely
scenery, but I'm a bit prejudiced! - and take the ferry from John O'Groats
as a foot passenger. I'm not much for 'tours' generally, but the one day
bus trips offered in conjunction with the ferry are actually very good. The
driver-guides are locals, pleasant and knowledgable.

spuorg...@gowanhill.com

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Jul 22, 2005, 9:13:16 AM7/22/05
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Mark Hewitt wrote:
> >Stirling
> A lovely place, if you ignore the concrete car parks, the castle and the
> wallace monument are well worth a visit. I did the open top bus ride there
> which was fun.

Adjacent to the Castle are Argyll's Ludging (included in Castle
admission fee) which I think is more interesting than the Castle, also
the Holy Rude Church and Cowane's Hospital (both free, and worth a five
minute detour).

Cambuskenneth Abbey (ruined tower, free to look at) is about 20 mins
walk from the town centre and over the river footbridge.

The paths on the Gowan Hill were remade last summer offering a more
accessible walk right round from the Ballengeich Cem'y to the Cannons
and Beheading Stone.

Owain
http://come.to/braveheartcountry

FPdA

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> And while it can seem expensive, it's worth thinking about flying-
> especially if you don't want to go all the way up to the north of
> Scotland. (I suspect this isn't an issue for the OP- who I think will be
> hiring a car.)

Yes that's right, absolutely nothing booked except 2 days stopping at
Edinburgh. Car hired for 12 days so we can drive wherever we want to,
changing plans as we go.

nospam...@dcs.ed.ac.uk

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Jul 22, 2005, 11:10:50 AM7/22/05
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The Reids <don...@fell-walker.co.uk> writes:

> The thing is the Aberdeen/Orkney/Shetland ferry does maximise
> time as it sails during the night while you sleep and saves on a
> hotel and Aberdeen has good road access from the Central
> Lowlands.

That's what we thought when we looked into this recently (we're going
to Orkney next year). Unfortunately the evening ferry from Aberdeen
is *not* overnight to Orkney - it arrives in Orkney very late in the
evening of the same day. If you were wanting to get to Shetland,
fine, it's an overnight trip. But not to Orkney.

http://www.northlinkferries.co.uk/Timetables.html

--
-- Chris.

tim (moved to sweden)

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> Use the tourist board's "book a bed ahead" scheme, but not for Ullapool,
> where they blacklist the best hotel in town (The Ceilidh Place) for not
> having TVs in the rooms. (I believe the tourist board also recommend
> the nearby Aultguish Inn, which is the nastiest shithole I have ever
> stayed in in Scotland).

They don't recommend anywhere, they are not allowed to.

You are right, hotels are graded on facilities not welcome.
In B&B's in Scotland, the latter is what most people are looking
for.

tim

chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco

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Jul 22, 2005, 12:18:26 PM7/22/05
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FPdA <fp...@yahooQUITAESTO.es> wrote:

That's a fun way to do it, actually. It's true that due to peak season,
a lot of places will be full, but it can be quite fun just driving into
a village, and calling up the local B&Bs until you get one with
availability. I last did this around a decade ago, so hopefully it's
still a viable way of doing it?

chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco

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Jul 22, 2005, 12:22:23 PM7/22/05
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S Viemeister <firstname...@which.net> wrote:

Last time I was in the north, we had the opportunity to spend the day on
a now uninhabited island, but the weather wasn't promising so we had to
cancel! :(

tim (moved to sweden)

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"S Viemeister" <firstname...@which.net> wrote in message
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Second this. Excelent tour and a hell of a lot cheaper than taking
the car over for a day to drive yourself around.

And if you do go, don't skimp on the visit to skara brae. You have
to pay to enter and several people on my tour were cheapskates and
waited on the coach, a most amazing place you won't regret the
small entry fee

tim


chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco

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tim (moved to sweden) <tim_in_s...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

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> And if you do go, don't skimp on the visit to skara brae. You have
> to pay to enter and several people on my tour were cheapskates and
> waited on the coach, a most amazing place you won't regret the
> small entry fee

I've been to Skara Brae a few times, and never paid. That's because I
went around 11pm in June. It was still light, and we just walked around.
I'm not sure if that's still possible, but it is certainly the best way
to experience it. The first time, we were the only people there, and the
sunset was amazing. Ring of Brogar is also worth a midnight visit in
June.

S Viemeister

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Jul 22, 2005, 1:16:08 PM7/22/05
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chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
>
> Last time I was in the north, we had the opportunity to spend the day on
> a now uninhabited island, but the weather wasn't promising so we had to
> cancel! :(
>
Not Island Roan, was it?

Sheila

Dan Stephenson

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Jul 22, 2005, 1:25:55 PM7/22/05
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Where to go of course depends on what you want to see. But one thing
is for certain: Scotland offers a lot of incredible scenery. If you're
going to Ullapool you might go all the way around the coast of Wester
Ross. It's otherworldly at times. I also highly recommend driving
through Glen Coe. The eastern coast is nice, but not nearly as awesome
at the western coast.

The Trossachs are beautiful too, but you might research what the midges
are doing in August. It's a very wet place and I understand the swarms
are very impressive.

The drive around Loch Ness is a good one, not like Wester Ross,but
good. My guidebook suggested driving around it counter-clockwise
(anti-clockwise).

If you like the neolithic stuff you need to visit Orkney. There is a
car ferry from Gills. There are also some nice stones in the Lewis
portion of the Isle of Lewis and Harris, but the pretty scenery is only
in Harris. Lewis is all bogland. Ullapool has ferries to Lewis and
Harris.

Here is a link to my Scotland page, it could help you out. Note that
there is a lot of nice scenery just in the drive north...

http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda/Scotland2004/Menu185.html

Later,
Dan

PS - I found no trouble booking B&B "on the way" in May. August is
probably busier than May, so you might want to start looking for a
place at say 4pm rather than 8pm like I did.

--
Dan Stephenson
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http://homepage.mac.com/stepheda

The Reids

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Jul 22, 2005, 1:48:50 PM7/22/05
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Following up to tim (moved to sweden)

>And if you do go, don't skimp on the visit to skara brae. You have
>to pay to enter and several people on my tour were cheapskates and
>waited on the coach,

madness!!!

The Reids

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Jul 22, 2005, 1:48:50 PM7/22/05
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Following up to nospam...@dcs.ed.ac.uk

>That's what we thought when we looked into this recently (we're going
>to Orkney next year). Unfortunately the evening ferry from Aberdeen
>is *not* overnight to Orkney - it arrives in Orkney very late in the
>evening of the same day. If you were wanting to get to Shetland,
>fine, it's an overnight trip. But not to Orkney.

Yes, you're right, we got to Orkney rested but still needing
accommodation unless you're willing to stay up with not much to
do. Shetland was perfect.

chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco

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Jul 22, 2005, 1:49:06 PM7/22/05
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S Viemeister <firstname...@which.net> wrote:

I had to check the map- it was Stroma. It used to have crofters, but
it's not been lived in for several decades now. The person I was staying
with knows the person who owns the island- hence why we had the invite.
Pity about the weather!

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tharmas

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Jul 22, 2005, 2:28:52 PM7/22/05
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"Martin" <m...@privacy.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
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> On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:49:06 +0100, this_address...@yahoo.com
> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)

> wrote:
>
>>S Viemeister <firstname...@which.net> wrote:
>>
>>> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Last time I was in the north, we had the opportunity to spend the day
>>> > on
>>> > a now uninhabited island, but the weather wasn't promising so we had
>>> > to
>>> > cancel! :(
>>> >
>>> Not Island Roan, was it?
>>
>>I had to check the map- it was Stroma. It used to have crofters, but
>>it's not been lived in for several decades now. The person I was staying
>>with knows the person who owns the island- hence why we had the invite.
>>Pity about the weather!
>
> Which island was deliberately contaminated with anthrax in WWII as
> part of a plan to scatter anthrax over Germany?

Gruinard Island, a few miles off Wester Ross, between Gairloch and Ullapool.

bye
tharmas


chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco

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Jul 22, 2005, 3:43:43 PM7/22/05
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Martin <m...@privacy.net> wrote:

> On Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:49:06 +0100, this_address...@yahoo.com

> (chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco)


> wrote:
>
> >S Viemeister <firstname...@which.net> wrote:
> >
> >> chancellor of the duchy of besses o' th' barn and prestwich tesco wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Last time I was in the north, we had the opportunity to spend the day on
> >> > a now uninhabited island, but the weather wasn't promising so we had to
> >> > cancel! :(
> >> >
> >> Not Island Roan, was it?
> >
> >I had to check the map- it was Stroma. It used to have crofters, but
> >it's not been lived in for several decades now. The person I was staying
> >with knows the person who owns the island- hence why we had the invite.
> >Pity about the weather!
>

> Which island was deliberately contaminated with anthrax in WWII as
> part of a plan to scatter anthrax over Germany?

Gruinard- in a different part of the highlands and islands- closer to
Ullapool in fact.

DaveH

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Jul 22, 2005, 10:23:51 PM7/22/05
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Just returned from a similar trip to Scotland. Would recommend adding
Inverness. The city is OK and the surrounding area is full of interesting
sights (Culloden Battlefield, Clava Cairns, Fort George, Cawdor Castle, all
within about 20 miles of Inverness). If you go, you might consider the
Mustard Seed Restaurant (make reservations for evening meal) and Hootenanny
Pub for late music.
On the mainland, not far from Skye, is Eilean Donan Castle. Your car can
take you to an overlook to get a more impressive view of the castle and
surroundings. In the Trossachs, suggest you pay a visit to the Inchmahome
Priory.
Be prepared for crowds and high prices in Edinburgh in August.
Enjoy the trip.

"FPdA" <fp...@yahooQUITAESTO.es> wrote in message
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>
> Hi,
> My wife and I plan to escape from summer heat waves in Seville (41º right
> now!!!) and will be travelling to Scotland this August (2nd to 14th). I've
> hired a car and plan to spend a couple of days in Edinburgh (we're more
> country landscape watchers then city birds)...
> Where else would you go besides Skye, Loch Lomond, The Trossachs and, most
> probably St. Andrews, Stirling and Fort Williams???
> Are these places worth a visit?
> Inverewe Gardens
> Ullapool
> Loch Ness
> Stirling...

> Any other not to be missed?
> Following recommendations from friends we've booked accommodation in
> Edinburgh well in advance but, is it really worth it booking B&B's outside
> the capital city, or would you rather do it as you travel, stopping where
> you see the "vacancies" sign???
> Thank for your help!!
> FPdA,
> Seville.
>
>


Ralph Holz

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Jul 23, 2005, 5:45:29 AM7/23/05
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Hi,

ash wrote:

> I would hesitate to tell anyone I didn't know to climb Ben Nevis, the
> highest mountain in Britain. The tourist route starts virtually at sea level
> and there is well over 4000ft to get up. Technically very easy but a long
> walk and dangerous at the top if the cloud comes down. Coming down is harder

I agree. On my attempt, we started out late and in modest conditions to begin
with. It was end of April. Just short of the summit, when reaching the snow
line, the weather changed to the worst. No path markings visible anymore, no
idea if I was still on it or had left it, vis down to 10m, 15m, rain that
pierced the skin and filled the pockets of my jacket (no joking). Had to find my
way back by following my own foot prints. I have my own story of it now. It was
made clear to me that the Ben is not to be taken lightly.

Ralph

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ash

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Jul 23, 2005, 12:29:00 PM7/23/05
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"Ralph Holz" <nu...@null.invalid> wrote in message
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People die every year in such conditions. In bad visibility there are
several gullies that you can fall down.


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