Our first cruise - a concern
Grey
getting all our dressy-up threads up together and have just reserved our
excursions and now decided what and when to pack. However, as its our first
time (we will be sailing on our first wedding anniversary) I have had a good
browse though some reviews of cruises - especially ours which will not have
kids on board - and have hit a potential problem and was wondering if others
have come across it and how to deal with it.
Basically, our concern is other people. Specifically old people - or the
behaviour of old people. I would like to think I can be the social animal
and get on with nearly everyone - but I cannot stand people who are
genuinely thoughtless, inconsiderate and selfish. I'm taking about old
people pushing in lines, hogging tables and deck chairs and the like. The
sort of person who will elbow their way through a crowd, grab the
biggest/best table/chair for themselves and will get up at 3:00am to
'reserve' the sunchairs, but only actually sit in them for an hour. The
person who will push past a line for a single cup of coffee, grab a huge
table and reserve it for all their mates, who will themselves push past and
spread themselves out at the expense of those waiting, armed with a torrent
of verbal abuse for anyone who dares to infringe on their territory.
I have read a couple of reviews from people who have actually had their
holiday spoilt because of this sort of thing and personally I have little in
the way of tolerance for it. A little consideration goes a long way and
manners cost nothing. But some people can be really spiteful and nasty who
somehow think that their ticket gives them the right to do exactly what they
want regardless.
Anyone come across anything like this?
Graham
Hank Sniadoch
this. Don't let it spoil your cruise. What are you supposed to do?
Stay home?
Bob T
wrote:
>Basically, our concern is other people. Specifically old people
I'm not sure if you are for real, or simply a troll ..... but just in
case you're serious, remember that any problems you encounter are just
as likely to be from young people as old.
Older people are generally more polite than younger ones in my view.
Bob T.
Alt...@webtv.net
My opinion is that you are as bad as the worst bigot and racist around
here/
You are more offensive than the most offensive of posters in this NG.
And there are a few.
Shame.
An old person.
Cheers,
Daniel
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Our first cruise - a concern
Group: rec.travel.cruises Date: Sun, Jun 18, 2006, 10:50pm (PDT+8) From:
grah...@btinternet.com (Grey)
Nonnymus
> Anyone come across anything like this?
>
> Graham
Don't worry, Grey. Mrs. Nonnymus and I won't be on that
cruise. You'll be just fine. BTW-, those people you
describe are called Mahjongg ladies, and the first (or was
it the second) GGC. enjoyed them tremendously.
I realize that your post might have also had a certain
tongue-in-cheek quality to it. However, there are those
kind of people out there. When I encounter them, I
generally just give them a wide swath, but when they push
too hard, I have been known to speak up. Several years
back, we boarded a ship and Mrs. Nonnymus took a little nap
while I got a drink and explored the ship. I was standing
at the front railing, overlooking the bow of the ship when a
"lady" with 3-4 kids and a husband in tow came up.
I ignored them and continued watching the loading of the
ship when the lady suddenly actually pushed me and shouted,
"I said MOVE, we want to take a picture." The resulting
discussion was very brief and crude, and I never did learn
if she stored her camera where I suggested or not.
When you encounter that type of people- and you WILL- either
aboard a ship, at work, at a party or in your neighborhood,
I suggest that you be as tolerant as possible but not let
them get away with too much before speaking up. That type
of ignorant, distasteful, person relies on their brazen
actions to scare off criticism, and when someone says,
"Stop," they usually fold up and slink away.
There are also cultural differences you will encounter. On
Alaskan cruises, aboard HAL in particular, there seem to be
many people from the Pacific Rim. Apparently, when people
from those cultures see an elevator door open, they rush
forward to get on- before people can all get off. Here, we
wait for people to exit and in particular, for people with
mobility problems to get off. Mrs. Nonnymus is one of the
sweetest and most gentle people I've ever known, but she
deeply resents not having time to get her electric scooter
off an elevator before being besieged by a group of 200
Koreans all pushing to get onto the elevator. After seeing
her eyes glaze over a few times, I learned to step back and
let her handle it. She simply puts her scooter in reverse
and backs out. Most of the people crowding forward can get
out of the way in time, and the rest learn how to apply band
aids to their ankles and feet. It's a version of bowling,
so to speak, and helps others to become sensitive to and
aware of OUR culture. <grin>
I sure hope you two enjoy your first cruise, and encourage
you to post here about it when you return. Tell us if you
encountered any of the people you fear, and if you did, how
you handled them.
Nonnymus
Dick G
squelched, POTW
--
DG in Cherry Hill, NJ
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RichC
about are far & few between. I'm sure the stories you quote have occurred at
one time or another but I doubt if you'll experience many yourself.
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Rosalie B.
would be 'old people'.
Usually older people are more polite. I did run into a very loud
rowdy group of them but it was at a resort in Branson MO and not on a
cruise ship. They weren't guests at the resort, they were local
people and they were playing dominos. I had to leave the lounge
because I couldn't hear myself think.
The only other idea I would offer is that in some cases older people
may have physical problems standing in line and/or they may be with a
large family group and want to sit together.
.
Ray
>
> Anyone come across anything like this?
>
> Graham
>
>
>
Yep ... all the time. Better cancel your cruise if you can't deal with
normal human behavior. Oh, yeah ... and you better not go to the
theater, or to a restaurant, or to the beach or ..........
;-)
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the younger ones are the ones that stake out the lounge chairs,only to
go off to play bingo,or eat or whatever,had some on grandeur of the seas
transatlantic that saved lounge chairs for 6-7 hours and never used
them. Found
that most of the pushy people are from a place i will not mention
because i am too polite to hurt their feelings by mentioning there home
towns.
<
cruise lover>
Robert
> getting all our dressy-up threads up together and have just reserved our
> excursions and now decided what and when to pack. However, as its our
first
> time (we will be sailing on our first wedding anniversary) I have had a
good
> browse though some reviews of cruises - especially ours which will not
have
> kids on board - and have hit a potential problem and was wondering if
others
> have come across it and how to deal with it.
>
> Basically, our concern is other people. Specifically old people - or the
> behaviour of old people. I would like to think I can be the social animal
> Graham
>
Either this is a troll or you are a very ageist person. I've seen people
from ALL age groups exhibit these behaviors. I've never had any problems
with older people, mostly with younger ones. If you remain in your storeroom
and use room service, you shouldn't have any problems
Robert
clint
elders, why don;y tou dorks?
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clint
the broiler lounges!
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Jean O'Boyle
Are you for real? We have been on 33 cruises and never seen older people
behave in such a manner...and that includes HAL cruises which some
supposedly believe have more seniors for clientele. (not true!) I don't know
what your problem is but you better wake up... Guess what? You, yourself
are aging each year...it's a normal life process. Get a grip!
I have to believe this is a troll...taking their FIRST cruise in the Baltic
with an attitude such as this...sheesh!
Marsha
I've not been on a cruise yet, but most
of the rude people I've had the
misfortune to meet on vacation have been
young or middle aged. Older people are
almost always unfailingly polite and
considerate. I'd love to know what
planet the OP comes from.
Marsha/Ohio
J Carnaghie
> We are on our first cruise to the Baltic in August.
> A little consideration goes a long way and
> manners cost nothing. But some people can be really spiteful and nasty who
> somehow think that their ticket gives them the right to do exactly what they
> want regardless.
>
SNIP
>
> Graham
Dear Graham,
I hope you are in fact a troll, trying to get a response. If so,
it appears to be working.
If you are serious, I think you need to reassess just what you
mean by a little consideration. In general, old folks have "Been
there, done that, got the tee shirt" for a lot of things you have yet
to experience. There are folks in every age group and ethnic and
cultural background that act differently under different situations.
Some of these actions may cause you distress, without any distress
being intended.
I guess it boils down to: "Did any small children get hurt?" If
the answer is no, take a deep breath, and chuckle about the diversity
of the human animal. If the answer is yes, apply strong corrective
action (preferably with your cane!).
Enjoy your cruise, and remember to let the people off the lifts
before you charge aboard.
Cheers,
John in LALALand (On the left coast).
Becca
or large tables. Some of them had mobility problems, a few of them
walked a little slower, and some were hard of hearing, but they were not
inconsiderate passengers. They were a joy to cruise with and you can
learn a lot from them. Keep in mind, you will be elderly some day, if
you are lucky.
Becca
George Leppla
"Grey" <grah...@btinternet.com> wrote
> I have read a couple of reviews from people who have actually had their
> holiday spoilt because of this sort of thing and personally I have little
> in
> the way of tolerance for it.
Well..... when I am on vacation I try to let the worries of the world pass
me by. If someone is ignorant, I find it easy to ignore them. After all,
these are big ships. Instead of getting annoyed at people I tend to laugh
at them. How poor must their lives be if the only way they know to have a
good time is for them to be a pain in the ass for someone else?
> Anyone come across anything like this?
Of course... it happens all the time and not only on a ship. The world is
full of jerks and they don't become Miss Manners when they step aboard a
ship. Shine them on. When someone is being obnoxious, look them straight
in the eye and smile. Chuckle a little at their foolishness and move on.
They can't bother you if you don't let them.
Don't let the fools of the world drag you down. Have fun in spite of them.
--
George Leppla http://www.countryside-travel.com
October 29, 2006 - SLEAZY 4! http://cruisemaster.com/sleazy4.htm
February 10, 2007 - Valentine's Group - http://cruisemaster.com/grandeur.htm
April 29, 2007 GGC2007 http://cruisemaster.com/pride.htm
October 14, 2007 MOAGC 3 - http://www.moagc-3.com
MLD
You're an idiot!!! What's bigger, you're shoe size, hat size or IQ? Don't
let anything stop you--just tell these old people what you think and then
do better--if they get up at 3:00 am, then you get up at 2:00am. If they
push, you push back. Knock them aside and you grab the best table for
yourself. But be nice to some of them because these "old people" may only be
about 30% of the population, they control about 80% of the money. BTW, what
do you consider old? You rant like a 2 yr old so maybe you're thinking
about the 30-40 yr old people
MLD
MLD
Ermalee McCauley
"Becca" <be...@hal-pc.org> wrote in message
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If Becca says so, it must be true. After all, she has cruised with ME many
times,
and maybe even some folks who are older (doubtful). :-)
Thanks, Becca.
Ermalee <----getting older every minute :-); beats the alternative
Nonnymus
Man, Ermalee- - - the fun we've had on cruises. . .
Nonnymus
Brian K
Merton a/k/a "Miss Manners" makes a living writing about them. On one
cruise, I had the pleasure to sit with some lively seniors from Canada.
They had more than 40 cruises under their belts. I looked forward to
dinner at our table as they were the most fun and didn't have a rude
bone between them.
As someone else pointed out, we are all aging. You too will be old one
day. It is my hope that you age gracefully. In the process perhaps you
will loose some mistaken notions you have about older people.
--
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Tobie Gerbrandt
Please don't believe those that try to imply that "OLD" people are any more
rude and thoughtless than any other age.
Yes, there are some people that show their bad manners in all the ways that
you have described, but it has notning to do with age.
I have no doubt that tollerance on your part will get you by, and you will
have a wonderful time.
Tobie>>>>on an Island in the Pacific
"Grey" <grah...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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~~Alan~~
Teddy from Massachusettes) from Rhode Island or Rep McKinney from Georgia?
Or maybe you're refering to the general population of Boston, NYC, LA,
Dallas, Miami, Fargo, Seattle, Paris, London, Stockholm, Tokyo, Sydney, or
any other place on earth. Or maybe, just maybe you're writing about some of
those old farts who just got married and think they own the world.
So let's see now, you hate kids, you hate older people, and you probably
hate your mother.
Do us a favor and stay home. Your Sh*t stinks just as bad as the everybody
else's.
BTW, your mother hates you.
~alan
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Ermalee McCauley
Oh yes, we've had so much fun on cruises! Remember the Baltics?
BTW, please don't call me man!
Ermalee <------:-)
D Ball
no kids on board? Very few cruise lines prohibit children, and yes, on many
cruise lines, the demographics on a Baltics itinerary will be heavily tilted
in favor of seniors. You should have told your travel agent "your concern
was other people" before you booked this cruise. I don't think a cruise or
any type of group travel is a good match for your prejudices.
Diana Ball
near Houston, TX
Becca
> If Becca says so, it must be true. After all, she has cruised with
> ME many times, and maybe even some folks who are older (doubtful).
> :-) Thanks, Becca.
>
> Ermalee <----getting older every minute :-); beats the alternative
You are not old, yet, Ermalee. I can hardly keep up with you!
Becca
Ermalee McCauley
Neither can my great grandchildren....:-)
Ermalee
Dillon Pyron
> We are on our first cruise to the Baltic in August. We are currently
>getting all our dressy-up threads up together and have just reserved our
>excursions and now decided what and when to pack. However, as its our first
>time (we will be sailing on our first wedding anniversary) I have had a good
>browse though some reviews of cruises - especially ours which will not have
>kids on board - and have hit a potential problem and was wondering if others
>have come across it and how to deal with it.
>
>Basically, our concern is other people. Specifically old people - or the
>behaviour of old people. I would like to think I can be the social animal
>and get on with nearly everyone - but I cannot stand people who are
>genuinely thoughtless, inconsiderate and selfish. I'm taking about old
>people pushing in lines, hogging tables and deck chairs and the like. The
>sort of person who will elbow their way through a crowd, grab the
>biggest/best table/chair for themselves and will get up at 3:00am to
>'reserve' the sunchairs, but only actually sit in them for an hour. The
>person who will push past a line for a single cup of coffee, grab a huge
>table and reserve it for all their mates, who will themselves push past and
>spread themselves out at the expense of those waiting, armed with a torrent
>of verbal abuse for anyone who dares to infringe on their territory.
>
>I have read a couple of reviews from people who have actually had their
>holiday spoilt because of this sort of thing and personally I have little in
>the way of tolerance for it. A little consideration goes a long way and
>manners cost nothing. But some people can be really spiteful and nasty who
>somehow think that their ticket gives them the right to do exactly what they
>want regardless.
>
>Anyone come across anything like this?
Yeah. Of course, they were in their mid thirties. Old enough for
you?
>
>Graham
>
>
--
dillon
666 permissions of The Beast
Melanie
My mother always said, "If something happens but it won't matter a year
from now, then forget about it and carry on. It's not worth wasting
time on." (ie. line butters or the other small annoyances in life.)
Oh and my brother says "If you still have your wallet, jewellery and
dignity" then forget about it.
LOL
~Melanie
Crabman
i am too polite to hurt their feelings by mentioning there home
> towns.
>
> <
> cruise lover>
>
>
choose to be not where they are from.
Clay