Smoking on Cruises
Miss Ellie
any ship by the first of the year. Has anyone else heard that?
Ray Goldenberg
wrote:
>A travel agent in St Louis told me there is going to be no smoking on
>any ship by the first of the year. Has anyone else heard that?
Hi Miss Ellie,
You must have misunderstood the travel agent. There has not been nor
will there be any such announcement.
Best regards,
Ray
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> any ship by the first of the year. Has anyone else heard that?
I wish!!!
pdevoy
operated a cruise ship that was exclusively non smoking ~1997. They
could not keep the boat booked so they abandoned the non smoking
policy in favor of bookings. I wonder how this would work today. My
money would be on the non smoking boats.
clint
asenior)
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Brian
wrote:
>I light up my stoggie, on deck and on the balcony, nobody seems yo care)I'm
>asenior)
How do you know nobody cares? Sometimes the stench can't be traced and
if you are smoking in an allowed area, what can people who object do?
Duncan Craig
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>A travel agent in St Louis told me there is going to be no smoking on any
>ship by the first of the year. Has anyone else heard that?
In his (and our) dreams.
Although the Carnival experiment with a non-smoking ship didn't work 10
years ago, I wonder if it would now.
I'm surprised, as an alternative, that the cruise lines have never tied a
"no smoking" theme on alternate departure dates of their routine 7/10/14-day
pop[lar runs such as Akaska, Caribbean, Mexican Riviera....
Lloyd Parsons
"Duncan Craig" <duncan...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
I don't know if it will or won't work. But I can say that since the 1st
of the year, after the smoking bans went in place in Illinois, our local
bars and restaurants are reporting a 20% decrease in business.
And the casino layed off quite a few that they said was because of the
no smoking rules.
Tobie Gerbrandt
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Hi Lloyd
Rest assured that will be a temporary situation. We have had a total ban on
smoking in public buildings here for several years and the pubs and bars are
just as busy now as they ever were.
The smoking public, including our son, just go outside when they feel they
need a smoke.
Tobie>>>>on an Island in the Pacific
Charles
<chez...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> Rest assured that will be a temporary situation. We have had a total ban on
> smoking in public buildings here for several years and the pubs and bars are
> just as busy now as they ever were.
The bars and restaurants in my area have gained business since smoking
was banned.
--
Charles
Kurt Ullman
Charles <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
FWI, the results tend to depend on the area. If there is an option
nearby (say a city bans smoking but the rest of the county or a nearby
city doesn't) then B&R tend to be hurt. If bans over wider area, then
there is often a short dip until smokers find out they are as addicted
to eating out as they are to smoking(g)
Chrissy Cruiser
Wonder if that has anything to do with you not going to them anymore.
Just wondering LOL
Lloyd Parsons
"Tobie Gerbrandt" <chez...@shaw.ca> wrote:
I suspect that you are right. And some restaurants and bars are putting
in outside areas for drinking, dining and smoking that will help them.
Of course, this winter has been one of the coldest here in many years,
so the outside isn't very pleasant.
But on a cruise ship that might go no smoking, those options wouldn't be
available. And frankly the smoke nazis never give up.
Wonder what we'll do when the fat nazis gain power? :)
Lloyd Parsons
<kurtullman-21011...@70-3-168-216.area5.spcsdns.net>,
Kurt Ullman <kurtu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Well, it is statewide in Illinois.
From the reports of the owners, it isn't affecting the weekend business
as much as it does the 'regulars' business, and the weekend alone won't
keep a B&R open in most cases.
Of course, if the gov't was actually interested in stopping smoking,
instead of kowtowing to a loud, obnoxious constituency, they would ban
smoking everywhere, ban growing tobacco and do away with farm subsidies
for tobacco growing. But you know that ain't happening.
clint
Gregory C. Read
> And frankly the smoke nazis never give up.
>
> Wonder what we'll do when the fat nazis gain power? :)
.... and then they came for me...
--
Greg
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> On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 15:24:52 -0500, "clint" <boca...@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >I light up my stoggie, on deck and on the balcony, nobody seems yo care)I'm
> >asenior)
>
> How do you know nobody cares? Sometimes the stench can't be traced and
> if you are smoking in an allowed area, what can people who object do?
Thank you! And they puff on it for friggin' 35 minutes. I've
changed locations more than one time due to obnoxious cigar smoke.
Exactly, if they're smoking where they are allowed to.....
Brian
wrote:
> Thank you! And they puff on it for friggin' 35 minutes. I've
>changed locations more than one time due to obnoxious cigar smoke.
>Exactly, if they're smoking where they are allowed to.....
And for some reason they often think that everyone just loves the
smell so they try to make clouds of smoke. There was one on the beach
in FT. Lauderdale last week doing that. Fortunately he was downwind of
us and there was a decent breeze so we didn't have to smell it.
Charles
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
> I suspect that you are right. And some restaurants and bars are putting
> in outside areas for drinking, dining and smoking that will help them.
> Of course, this winter has been one of the coldest here in many years,
> so the outside isn't very pleasant.
>
> But on a cruise ship that might go no smoking, those options wouldn't be
> available.
Since the smoking bans in Maryland and DC I have been enjoying going to
bars again. I had given up going years ago because of the smoke.
I don't think that when the cruise ships go no smoking that there won't
be an option to smoke outside. There will probably also be a small
inside area as an option. On Azamara and Oceania they have an outside
area and an area in one lounge. I think that worked out well on my
Azamara cruise. Very pleasant to be able to enjoy a ship without the
smell and stink.
--
Charles
Boomer
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>
> And for some reason they often think that everyone just loves the
> smell so they try to make clouds of smoke. There was one on the beach
> in FT. Lauderdale last week doing that. Fortunately he was downwind of
> us and there was a decent breeze so we didn't have to smell it.
>
area on all beaches. At least I can choose the upwind side to sit on.
Boomer
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>
>
> I don't think that when the cruise ships go no smoking that there won't
> be an option to smoke outside.
>
>
>
You're saying "when" as if you know of something that we don't.
Kurt Ullman
"Boomer" <nos...@aol.com> wrote:
We got off the Adverture OTS on Sunday and IIRC, they said something
about all cabins were now non smoking cabins. I don't smoke so I did not
pay that much attention, so someone who knows might be able to set me
straight.
DBS
uproar. Some bars and restaurants chose to ignore it and take the fines.
Others accepted it
At first, there was a decrease. But soon - very soon, - more and more
patrons started coming out and frequenting the establishments.
Now, the bars are just as packed - if not more - with a lot of patrons. And
the plus side? You don't go home with your clothes and hair smelling like
stale smoke and your skin feeling slimy from the residue!! Before the
smoking ban, we had to leave our clothes in the garage to air out so as not
to allow the stink to permeate into our home.
My husband and I truly enjoy going out for a night on the town now and not
having to worrying about sore throats and smelly clothes come the morning.
-Bonnie
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DBS
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DBS
the left side of us smoked the most disgusting smelling cigars and
cigarettes I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing.
Needless to say, the cruise ships need to do something - put the smokers in
balconies on one side of the ship and non-smokers on the other. Something,
please!!!! But putting the puffers next to the non-puffers is not an
option in this day and age!!
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DBS
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DBS
shells, you see the butts from cigarettes and cigars strewn all over the
place. Nasty, nasty.
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> That's the worse!! We had a balcony on our last cruise and some cruiser
> on the left side of us smoked the most disgusting smelling cigars and
> cigarettes I have ever had the displeasure of experiencing.
>
> Needless to say, the cruise ships need to do something - put the smokers
> in balconies on one side of the ship and non-smokers on the other.
> Something, please!!!! But putting the puffers next to the non-puffers is
> not an option in this day and age!!
>
The problem is only to get worse on balconies as the number of places where
smokers can go is diminished. I try & get a balcony in the forward part of
the ship to minimize the problem. I really don't think cigar smokers realize
how much the smoke bothers others around them.
My vote is for having the smokers in balconies on one side of the ship
toward the rear.
Jack Hamilton
>The problem is only to get worse on balconies as the number of places where
>smokers can go is diminished. I try & get a balcony in the forward part of
>the ship to minimize the problem. I really don't think cigar smokers realize
>how much the smoke bothers others around them.
I think it's that they don't care. The fact that many people object
to being around cigar smoke is hardly a secret.
AZ Nomad
They're addicts. Anybody who gets in the way of their addiction is
an asshole.
Brian K
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My father smokes cigars. When it comes to non smoking signs, he pretends
not to see them. He once entered an exclusive country club with a lit cigar.
Staff asked him to put it out. His reply was "I'll just puff on it, I don't
inhale." That this wasn't the issue didn't seem to matter. Eventualy, much
to everyone in the family's embarrasment, he was ejected from the country
club. I will no longer ride with him. His car smells like a rolling ash
tray.
I think in some perverse way, he gets some kind of kick out of sending out
his clouds of cigar smell on people who don't like it. Imagine if you will,
W. C. Fields blowing cigar smoke in a cop's face while he tries to squirm
out of some infraction. That's my dad.
Brian K
Chrissy Cruiser
> I think in some perverse way, he gets some kind of kick out of sending out
> his clouds of cigar smell on people who don't like it.
Bet your ass it's a control thing, a "stay away from me" thing and/or a "I
can kick your butt" thing. All machismo like the actors who pose on Cigar
Aficianado all manly and awe-inspiring, aren't they?
Ray
they could smoke in an area designated for smoking , you shouldn't be all
too suprised if a neighbor smokes. If the smoke bothers you so much , you
can always choose to not go out on the balcony if someone is smoking , or
just get a cabin without a balcony in the first place . I think that if you
choose to get a cabin thats in an area designated for smoking , than you
should be willing to put up with it .
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Ray
allowed , like on a balcony . If someone objects , they surely don't have to
put themselves among the smokers , as most of the cabins are in areas where
smoking is not allowed . You really don't even have to be on the same DECK
as a smoker if you don't want to .
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Tobie Gerbrandt
of your balcony are avid smokers. You say "you don't even have to be on the
same DECK". Have you ever tried to change cabins once you are onboard, and,
even if you could, there would be no guarantee that the new location would
be any better.
One of the reasons we LOVE Oceania is that there is NO SMOKING allowed in
the cabins or on the balconies, and they DO enforce it!!!!
Tobie>>>>on an Island in the Pacific
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J Carnaghie
Tobie Gerbrandt wrote:
After a brandy or three I don't seem to notice the
human chimneys and their aromas!
I doubt that one can get a cabin change because of
a smoker in the next unit, but perhaps a quiet
word with the smoker might do some good. Of course
it also possibly could be the beginning of lots of
conflict.
Cheers,
John in LALALand (On the Left Coast)
Duncan Craig
> Well, considering that most responsible smokers would get a balcony cabin
> so they could smoke in an area designated for smoking , you shouldn't be
> all too suprised if a neighbor smokes. If the smoke bothers you so much ,
> you can always choose to not go out on the balcony if someone is smoking ,
> or just get a cabin without a balcony in the first place . I think that if
> you choose to get a cabin thats in an area designated for smoking , than
> you should be willing to put up with it .
>
that I can enjoy an breakfast in the FRESH air, or enjoy a lazy afternoon or
a romantic evening under the stars, I should put up with smokers' toxic
pollution because you interpret my actions as "chhosing to have a cabin in a
designated smoking area?"
Gimme a break.
Brian
>My father smokes cigars. When it comes to non smoking signs, he pretends
>not to see them. He once entered an exclusive country club with a lit cigar.
>Staff asked him to put it out. His reply was "I'll just puff on it, I don't
>inhale." That this wasn't the issue didn't seem to matter. Eventualy, much
>to everyone in the family's embarrasment, he was ejected from the country
>club. I will no longer ride with him. His car smells like a rolling ash
>tray.
>
>I think in some perverse way, he gets some kind of kick out of sending out
>his clouds of cigar smell on people who don't like it. Imagine if you will,
>W. C. Fields blowing cigar smoke in a cop's face while he tries to squirm
>out of some infraction. That's my dad.
>
>Brian K
Both of my grandfathers smoked cigars. I can remember choking a lot on
Sunday afternoon drives.
Brian
wrote:
>Well, considering that most responsible smokers would get a balcony cabin so
>they could smoke in an area designated for smoking , you shouldn't be all
>too suprised if a neighbor smokes. If the smoke bothers you so much , you
>can always choose to not go out on the balcony if someone is smoking , or
>just get a cabin without a balcony in the first place . I think that if you
>choose to get a cabin thats in an area designated for smoking , than you
>should be willing to put up with it .
You seem to have the idea that all ships have cabins that are
non-smoking.
Chrissy Cruiser
> Maybe they DO care , and therefore only smoke in area's where smoking is
> allowed , like on a balcony .
Horseshit, they know damn well they are still being obnoxious with their
cigar smoke and they make the overt choice to use the shallow excuse "it is
allowed" as if this allowance somehow sanctifies their voluntary
manslaughter.
Bottom line: Smokers are scum and they trade the inconvenience of their
withdrawal for my life. Period.
AZ Nomad
It's an addiction thing. Staying off a fix is to the addict the same
as twisting a knife in their gut.
Ray
smoking , a smoker can only smoke on the balcony itself . That would explain
why a smoker is likely to choose a balcony cabin over one without a balcony.
I'd have a bigger gripe agains someone smoking inside other cabins where
smoking isn't allowed.
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Ray Goldenberg
wrote:
>I think MOST cabins are non smoking. Even most balcony cabins are non
>smoking , a smoker can only smoke on the balcony itself . That would explain
>why a smoker is likely to choose a balcony cabin over one without a balcony.
>I'd have a bigger gripe agains someone smoking inside other cabins where
>smoking isn't allowed.
Hi Ray,
What cruise line are you referring to about non-smoking cabins? I
think you have been smoking some of those funny cigarettes I have
heard about. <:+)
Best regards,
Ray
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Charles
<r...@lighthousetravel.com> wrote:
> What cruise line are you referring to about non-smoking cabins? I
> think you have been smoking some of those funny cigarettes I have
> heard about. <:+)
Possibly he is referring to Royal Caribbean. The cabins are now non
smoking but it is allowed on the balconies.
--
Charles
Ray
allow smoking on the balconies , people will smoke there , especially if the
majority of the ship is non smoking . What you, I , or anyone else thinks
about it won't change the facts. So if you choose to spend extra money for a
cabin in one of the few areas of the ship where smoking is allowed , you
shouldn't be suprised if your neighbor smokes. It's really rather amazing
that you could even expect otherwise ......
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Ray Goldenberg
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>Possibly he is referring to Royal Caribbean. The cabins are now non
>smoking but it is allowed on the balconies.
Hi Charles,
Thanks for that clarification. I had no idea what he was talking
about as he said "I think MOST cabins are non smoking." and they
certainly are not in the industry.
Jean O'Boyle
> Maybe they DO care , and therefore only smoke in area's where smoking is
> allowed , like on a balcony . If someone objects , they surely don't have
> to put themselves among the smokers , as most of the cabins are in areas
> where smoking is not allowed . You really don't even have to be on the
> same DECK as a smoker if you don't want to .
Really? I didn't know they had portable balconies....Who would have known
after 39 cruises...
--Jean<---likes the lines that prohibit smoking in cabins period.
Ray
and both my cabins were non smoking except on the balcony. I assume that the
other , non balcony cabins were mostly non smoking as well, but I don't know
that for a fact. Last year I was on Norwegian , but don't remember if they
allowed smoking or not.
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Charles
<raymo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Well, I was in Holland America in June , and Royal Caribbean in January ,
> and both my cabins were non smoking except on the balcony. I assume that the
> other , non balcony cabins were mostly non smoking as well, but I don't know
> that for a fact. Last year I was on Norwegian , but don't remember if they
> allowed smoking or not.
I think it is a mistake to allow smoking on the balconies. It should be
banned. It is a nuisance to non smokers and a safety problem.
--
Charles
Ray
the cruise lines. I was suprised that so many allowed smoking in ALL the
cabins , maybe I just have been on some lines that don't . But for the
people who don't like smoke , as well as smokers who want to smoke , this is
good information . There are several lines that don't allow smoking on the
balconies , that should solve the problem for those of you who can't
tolorate the smoke.
http://www.cruisecritic.com/features/articles.cfm?ID=225
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Ray Goldenberg
wrote:
>Well, I was in Holland America in June , and Royal Caribbean in January ,
>and both my cabins were non smoking except on the balcony.
Hi Ray,
HAL does NOT offer non-smoking cabins. Please see:
http://tinyurl.com/3xg6vf
Paul Johnson
http://www.oceaniacruises.com/T_MainContentPage.aspx?PageUID=f8b9388d-59ce-4f66-b6e2-739f92bff86c&Admin=1
Smoking in rooms or on verandas can cause the offender to put ashore at the
next stop and be billed for damages and/or cleaning.
Paul Johnson
Ray Goldenberg
Hi Paul,
You are correct about Oceania and the copycat, Azamara. <:+)
Chrissy Cruiser
So I should let heroin addicts inject in my veins? Yeah, right, take your
addiction and shove it.
Boomer
> Actully , I found this link on cruise critics about smoking policies of
> all the cruise lines. I was suprised that so many allowed smoking in ALL
> the cabins , maybe I just have been on some lines that don't . But for the
> people who don't like smoke , as well as smokers who want to smoke , this
> is good information . There are several lines that don't allow smoking on
> the balconies , that should solve the problem for those of you who can't
> tolorate the smoke.
>
> http://www.cruisecritic.com/features/articles.cfm?ID=225
>
Princess if we can't hack the smoke?
I personally think it's time that all the non smokers ban together & let the
cruise lines know our feelings so the situation can be corrected. I could
envision a lounge (with entertainment) at the rear of the ship for all
smoking.
Ray
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Well , that would solve your problem . Your idea would work , too - although
it seems so much harder to get a cruise line to change it's smoking policy
than it would be to just book with one who already has a policy you like .
Maybe if you avoided the cruises with the smoking policies you don't like
just until you could get them to change you would be happier. If it mattered
that much to me , I'd cruise Disney .
The fact that you can't tolorate smoking, but book cruises on ships that
allow it , seems rather odd. You are putting yourself in a situation that
you aren't going to like , and you know that going into it , and you do it
anyway .
As far as I can tell , the choices you have are :
1) Cruise with a line that has limited smoking and have no problem.
2) Cruise with a line that allows more smoking and put up with it.
3) Cruise with a line that allows more smoking and complain about it .
4) Stay home.
Unfortunately , cruising on a ship that allows smoking , but expecting
people not to smoke just because you don't like it isn't realistic .
Charles
<raymo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> As far as I can tell , the choices you have are :
I do agree with you that it is unrealistic to expect people not to
smoke where it is allowed is unrealistic. But I also think in todays
society smoking should not be allowed on balconies. The cruise lines
are behind where civilized society has moved on the smoking question. I
am sure they will catch up though.
So my choice is number 5, to lobby the cruise lines to ban smoking in
all cabins, on all balconies and all lounges except for one area in one
lounge and one outside deck area. I think a policy like Oceania and
Azamara would be an acceptable compromise to most of us non-smokers.
--
Charles
Chrissy Cruiser
> I do agree with you that it is unrealistic to expect people not to
> smoke where it is allowed is unrealistic.
Unreally Chuck? LOL
Ray
thats sure to happen eventually . Today , however , it would cost them
money to ban smoking , as the number of smokers , and non smokers who are
less passionate about smoke free cruising are the majority. I doubt
boycotting will work , though , as the amount of people that would rather
not cruise at all than put up with some smoke is very small , and those
people still would have the option of very limited smoking on certain cruise
lines .
I'm not arguing that smoking should or should not be allowed on balconies ,
or anywhere else on the ship for that matter. What I AM saying is that if
the ship allows it , and you don't like it , the gripe is with the ship ,
not the smoker. If some old man likes his stogies , and picks a cruise
because they allow him to smoke them on his balcony , he has that right ,
and you really have no complaint with him. That might be why he picked a
balcony cabin on that specific cruise line in the first place. If people
aren't willing to take the chance that they might end up next to him , don't
get a balcony or cruise with a line that doesn't permit smoking on them .
Expecting someone NOT to smoke where smoking is allowed is just as foolish
as a smoker expecting to be able to smoke where it isn't allowed , and just
as rude .
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AZ Nomad
No thanks. I was merely attempting to explain a smoker's mentality.
There's no need for you to be an asshole.
Becca
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 04:20:53 -0500, "Brian K"
>>I think in some perverse way, he gets some kind of kick out of sending out
>>his clouds of cigar smell on people who don't like it. Imagine if you will,
>>W. C. Fields blowing cigar smoke in a cop's face while he tries to squirm
>>out of some infraction. That's my dad.
>>
>>Brian K
>
>
> Both of my grandfathers smoked cigars. I can remember choking a lot on
> Sunday afternoon drives.
We had a lot of cigar smokers in my family. Most of them were lawyers
and smoking cigars was fairly common in that profession, at least here
in the South.
Recently I started exploring the casinos here in Louisiana. What bothers
me the most, is the cigar smoke. I met my brother at a casino and guess
what he did? He lit up a cigar! <blech>
Becca
Becca
> Part of the problem is that you don't know before you go if the people ahead
> of your balcony are avid smokers. You say "you don't even have to be on the
> same DECK". Have you ever tried to change cabins once you are onboard, and,
> even if you could, there would be no guarantee that the new location would
> be any better.
Tobie, we were on one cruise, where you could not smoke on the balcony,
if one of the passengers objected, but I forget which ship we were on.
The purser's desk sent them a notice to stop smoking on their balcony or
they would be asked to leave the ship.
On the Adventure, I noticed they do not allow smoking in any of the
cabins. Each cruise line has their own rules, and the rules keep
changing.
Becca
Becca
Remember when they allowed smoking in the dining room? How things have
changed.
Becca
Brian
wrote:
>We had a lot of cigar smokers in my family. Most of them were lawyers
>and smoking cigars was fairly common in that profession, at least here
>in the South.
>
>Recently I started exploring the casinos here in Louisiana. What bothers
>me the most, is the cigar smoke. I met my brother at a casino and guess
>what he did? He lit up a cigar! <blech>
>
>Becca
When casinos give up their love affair with tobacco, they will have a
chance at my money.
Brian
wrote:
>I think MOST cabins are non smoking. Even most balcony cabins are non
>smoking , a smoker can only smoke on the balcony itself . That would explain
>why a smoker is likely to choose a balcony cabin over one without a balcony.
>I'd have a bigger gripe agains someone smoking inside other cabins where
>smoking isn't allowed.
That certainly wasn't our experience with Carnival last summer.
Surfer E2468
subsidizing the tobacco industry
<
cruise lover>
Jack Hamilton
>In article <4g3vj.29052$dA2....@read2.cgocable.net>,
> "Duncan Craig" <duncan...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>
>> "Miss Ellie" <el...@herbstein.com> wrote in message
>> news:DTMuj.2225$fX7....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> >A travel agent in St Louis told me there is going to be no smoking on any
>> >ship by the first of the year. Has anyone else heard that?
>>
>> In his (and our) dreams.
>> Although the Carnival experiment with a non-smoking ship didn't work 10
>> years ago, I wonder if it would now.
>> I'm surprised, as an alternative, that the cruise lines have never tied a
>> "no smoking" theme on alternate departure dates of their routine 7/10/14-day
>> pop[lar runs such as Akaska, Caribbean, Mexican Riviera....
>
>I don't know if it will or won't work. But I can say that since the 1st
>of the year, after the smoking bans went in place in Illinois, our local
>bars and restaurants are reporting a 20% decrease in business.
That has happened in other places, and then the business comes back.
People are just scared of change.
>And the casino layed off quite a few that they said was because of the
>no smoking rules.
The economic downturn had nothing to do with it?
Boomer
"Charles" <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote in message
news:250220081004035782%fo...@his.com.remove.invalid...
I agree with you're thinking Charles. Sure I can choose a line like Oceania
or Azamara but there cruises are not offered at the same prices as Princess,
NCL or RCI. In time the mass market cruise lines will conform to the
continued requests of us non smokers although they'll never ban smoking
altogether for fear of losing the business.
Boomer
100% Agreed. It's time to voice your complaints with the cruise lines.
Boomer
"Becca" <becca...@hal-pc.organ> wrote in message
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> Remember when they allowed smoking in the dining room? How things have
> changed.
>
> Becca
>
Can you recall the smoke clouds rising through the spotlight in the show
lounge?
pdevoy
passenger smokes or not. I do however think they are interested in
making money. This is a simple lesson in supply and demand. The cruise
lines have ships booked up and this means revenue. If no one booked
the cabins because of the smoking policy then they would gladly
change. How else would they stay in business? I'm not saying we all
should give up cruising however we should voice our opinion every
chance we get about the smoking policy. After I book a cruise, I call
the cruise line to voice my opinion about their smoking policy (I'm a
non smoker). If the company representative is a non smoker they simply
agree with me if they are a smoker they quote the policy and say thank
you for your booking. it's hard to belive there are more smokers these
days than non smokers. if this is true than it is indeed tempory.
spammers>@telus.net PMM
"pdevoy" <pmd...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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According to the NY Times, Sunday edition, 24% of US males over 15 smoke, so
a fairly sizable contingent.
PMM
Brian
spammers>@telus.net> wrote:
>According to the NY Times, Sunday edition, 24% of US males over 15 smoke, so
>a fairly sizable contingent.
>
>PMM
>
Oct. 26, 2006 -- Nearly 21% of U.S. adults -- 45 million men and women
-- smoked cigarettes last year, the same percentage as in 2004.
http://www.webmd.com/smoking-cessation/news/20061026/cdc-us-smoking-decline-has-stalled
The percentage of those smoking varies widely depending on state.
So the ratio of non-smokers to smokers is almost 4:1.
Brian
>Can you recall the smoke clouds rising through the spotlight in the show
>lounge?
>
I can remember smoking being allowed in college classrooms.
Brian
>The economic downturn had nothing to do with it?
There was an article on msnbc.com, I think, not long ago about how
limo drivers, caterers, etc. are suffering because of economic
conditions and perceived conditions. If people are concerned, even if
they shouldn't be, they will cut back and it causes a ripple effect.
I've also read that Chicago is having a bad winter which could also be
a consideration.
Charles
wrote:
> According to the NY Times, Sunday edition, 24% of US males over 15 smoke, so
> a fairly sizable contingent.
Also in today's Times. 44% of cigarettes are smoked by the mentally ill.
--
Charles
James
"Charles" <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote in message
I remember smoking after crazy sex...!...
Ray
one person in a family , or just a few among a group smokes , it's very
likely that a non smoking cruise wouldn't be an option for them. I don't see
non smoking cruises being profitable for a while yet .
"PMM @telus.net>" <pmurray<no spammers> wrote in message
news:D5Zwj.58660$C61.45765@edtnps89...
> Hi
Dillon Pyron
>"Boomer" <nos...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>The problem is only to get worse on balconies as the number of places where
>>smokers can go is diminished. I try & get a balcony in the forward part of
>>the ship to minimize the problem. I really don't think cigar smokers realize
>>how much the smoke bothers others around them.
>
>I think it's that they don't care. The fact that many people object
>to being around cigar smoke is hardly a secret.
There was actually a letter published in Cigar Afficianado a few years
back (when smoking $100 cigars had just become "cool") where someone
basically said "it's my right to smoke wherever and whenever I want
and forget the rest of the world". And people applauded. It's all an
attitude.
I'm glad good wine has fallen "out of favor", as has good single
malts. The price of my beloved Oban has dropped, and I can get a good
cab for somewhere in the 90s.
Brian
wrote:
>Add in the women , and there's more than 1 in 4 .
Are you saying that a higher percentage of women than men smoke?
That's the only way it would work unless you know absolutely nothing
about math.
> And remember , if only
>one person in a family , or just a few among a group smokes , it's very
>likely that a non smoking cruise wouldn't be an option for them. I don't see
>non smoking cruises being profitable for a while yet .
Depends on how selfish the smoker is and how influential within the
family.
Lloyd Parsons
Brian <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote:
Nah, depends on the family or group wanting to cruise together. That's
exactly what Carnival found out with their non-smoking ship.
Chrissy Cruiser
Spoken like a true killer....
Dillon Pyron
So, we're letting 21% dictate what the rest of us experience.
Dillon Pyron
>Maybe they DO care , and therefore only smoke in area's where smoking is
>allowed , like on a balcony . If someone objects , they surely don't have to
>put themselves among the smokers , as most of the cabins are in areas where
>smoking is not allowed . You really don't even have to be on the same DECK
>as a smoker if you don't want to .
I've had several encounters over the last couple of years with smokers
who knew where smoking was allowed and where it wasn't, and ignored
the signs. Last time, I "accidentally" knocked over the guy's beer.
Into his lap. I suggested that if he was on the smoking side I
wouldn't have been overcome by his noxious fumes. Several people
around us cheered.
Yeah, it might have gotten violent. But I can't win a fair fight.
>
>"Jack Hamilton" <j...@acm.org> wrote in message
>news:5a11s3taf40q0suqt...@4ax.com...
Dillon Pyron
>Well , how I interpret your actions doesn't matter . If the cruise lines
>allow smoking on the balconies , people will smoke there , especially if the
>majority of the ship is non smoking . What you, I , or anyone else thinks
>about it won't change the facts. So if you choose to spend extra money for a
>cabin in one of the few areas of the ship where smoking is allowed , you
>shouldn't be suprised if your neighbor smokes. It's really rather amazing
>that you could even expect otherwise ......
What you're saying is that a minority has the right to subject the
rest of us to obnoxious and bothersome behavior.
>
>"Duncan Craig" <duncan...@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
>news:lzmwj.24589$612....@read1.cgocable.net...
>>>
>> Oh, I see, Ray. So if I choose to spend the extra $$$ to have a balcony
>> so that I can enjoy an breakfast in the FRESH air, or enjoy a lazy
>> afternoon or a romantic evening under the stars, I should put up with
>> smokers' toxic pollution because you interpret my actions as "chhosing to
>> have a cabin in a designated smoking area?"
>>
>> Gimme a break.
>>
>
Dillon Pyron
>Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>>In article <4g3vj.29052$dA2....@read2.cgocable.net>,
>> "Duncan Craig" <duncan...@cogeco.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> "Miss Ellie" <el...@herbstein.com> wrote in message
>>> news:DTMuj.2225$fX7....@nlpi061.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>> >A travel agent in St Louis told me there is going to be no smoking on any
>>> >ship by the first of the year. Has anyone else heard that?
>>>
>>> In his (and our) dreams.
>>> Although the Carnival experiment with a non-smoking ship didn't work 10
>>> years ago, I wonder if it would now.
>>> I'm surprised, as an alternative, that the cruise lines have never tied a
>>> "no smoking" theme on alternate departure dates of their routine 7/10/14-day
>>> pop[lar runs such as Akaska, Caribbean, Mexican Riviera....
>>
>>I don't know if it will or won't work. But I can say that since the 1st
>>of the year, after the smoking bans went in place in Illinois, our local
>>bars and restaurants are reporting a 20% decrease in business.
>
>That has happened in other places, and then the business comes back.
>People are just scared of change.
Austin went smoke free about 18 months ago. Bars owners said it would
be the end of live music in Austin. And yes, liquor tax receipts were
down for the first 2 quarters. Then they came back up. And most bars
are packed. Of course, several of the most popular venues have been
smoke free for years.
And bar owners never gave a crap about live music. If they thought
they could get more people in the bar playing 1930s polka, guess what.
Smokers aren't going to stay away forever.
>
>>And the casino layed off quite a few that they said was because of the
>>no smoking rules.
>
>The economic downturn had nothing to do with it?
Nah.
clint
"Boomer" <nos...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Brian
<invalid...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>So, we're letting 21% dictate what the rest of us experience.
Apparently so. But as long as they can fill cruises, the companies
won't care.
Brian
<lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
>Nah, depends on the family or group wanting to cruise together. That's
>exactly what Carnival found out with their non-smoking ship.
No, if there are 8 people going someplace and one smokes, the smoker
makes the determination if they put up enough of a fuss.
Brian
<invalid...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
>I've had several encounters over the last couple of years with smokers
>who knew where smoking was allowed and where it wasn't, and ignored
>the signs. Last time, I "accidentally" knocked over the guy's beer.
>Into his lap. I suggested that if he was on the smoking side I
>wouldn't have been overcome by his noxious fumes. Several people
>around us cheered.
>
>Yeah, it might have gotten violent. But I can't win a fair fight.
I just read an article about 100% non-smoking hotels. They quoted a
number of smokers who feel quite free to smoke and then lie about it
to avoid the fine.
One argument has been that those who own businesses should be allowed
whatever smoking policies they wish. And yet smokers will still defy
the rules when smoking isn't allowed. We are told to just go and
patronize places that don't allow smoking. So why don't smokers do the
same thing?
Boomer
"Dillon Pyron" <invalid...@austin.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> So, we're letting 21% dictate what the rest of us experience.
Continue to complain on the comment cards & some day things will change for
the better.
Boomer
"Brian" <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
> I just read an article about 100% non-smoking hotels. They quoted a
> number of smokers who feel quite free to smoke and then lie about it
> to avoid the fine.
>
> One argument has been that those who own businesses should be allowed
> whatever smoking policies they wish. And yet smokers will still defy
> the rules when smoking isn't allowed. We are told to just go and
> patronize places that don't allow smoking. So why don't smokers do the
> same thing?
Probably because there are fewer & fewer place for them to go to- a cruise
ship being one.
Lloyd Parsons
Brian <drmorri...@comcast.net> wrote:
The smoker can decide to go or not. The rest can then determine what is
most important. Pissing and moaning about the smoke, or having their
friend/relative cruise with them.
Karen
> When casinos give up their love affair with tobacco, they will have a
> chance at my money.
Smoke-free casinos are popular in California.
The Siena in Reno is one.
Many Indian casinos are smoke-free, except for a closed-in glass room,
in California, too.
Maybe cruise ships can have smoking rooms like airports do, or
something.
Karen
Karen
> Horseshit, they know damn well they are still being obnoxious with their
> cigar smoke and they make the overt choice to use the shallow excuse "it is
> allowed" as if this allowance somehow sanctifies their voluntary
> manslaughter.
>
> Bottom line: Smokers are scum and they trade the inconvenience of their
> withdrawal for my life. Period.
Oh my gosh, lighten up, will ya girlfriend?
People who smoke are usually a lot of fun, actually. And, they're nice
people, generally speaking, and not out to get you.
They're addicted and very uncomfortable if they are trapped somewhere
without a smoke. It's not like they can go somewhere for a smoke when
on a cruiseship.
Karen
Karen
> I just read an article about 100% non-smoking hotels. They quoted a
> number of smokers who feel quite free to smoke and then lie about it
> to avoid the fine.
>
> One argument has been that those who own businesses should be allowed
> whatever smoking policies they wish. And yet smokers will still defy
> the rules when smoking isn't allowed. We are told to just go and
> patronize places that don't allow smoking. So why don't smokers do the
> same thing?
Hotel guests are charged for damages, including smoke smell, when it's
a non-smoking room or non-smoking hotel and they choose to smoke.
Smokers are not evil and disobey rules like you say. Some may, but I
suppose there are nonsmokers who disobey other rules, just as well.
Karen
Karen
> Well, considering that most responsible smokers would get a balcony cabin so
> they could smoke in an area designated for smoking , you shouldn't be all
> too suprised if a neighbor smokes. If the smoke bothers you so much , you
> can always choose to not go out on the balcony if someone is smoking , or
> just get a cabin without a balcony in the first place . I think that if you
> choose to get a cabin thats in an area designated for smoking , than you
> should be willing to put up with it .
The air on a private balcony is not public, it's private, and paid for
in higher rates than those rooms without balconies.
In high density living, people share their "bubbles," and noise,
smoke, light, etc., can overlap.
People can go to the bar for music, and a smoking room or area to
smoke.
Karen
Karen
> What you're saying is that a minority has the right to subject the
> rest of us to obnoxious and bothersome behavior.
No, that is wrong and times are changing.
I live in California and many areas where people are smoke-free.
I just noticed a sign at DeAnza college that said "this campus is now
smoke-free" and smoking anywhere on campus isn't allowed.
Restaurants, 20 feet from any entrance of buildings, theme parks,
beaches, bars, busses, airports, etc., should all be smoke-free.
Cruise ships need to figure out a way to accommodate a smoker because
they are addicted and they can't jump ship to have a cigarette,
though. It's tight quarters with sensitive ventilation on cruise
ships, so I don't know how they can have a smoking area. Maybe the aft
(is that the rear of the ship) where the smoke can go in the wake and
only when at sea, or something?
Karen
Karen
> If they want people to stop smoking,the government should stop
> subsidizing the tobacco industry
People will pay anything for their smoking addictions. Have you seen
the price of cigarettes lately? I can't imagine how people can afford
it anymore.
But, they do.
Karen
Karen
> I can remember smoking being allowed in college classrooms.
And grocery stores.
Karen