Art Auctions aboard Carnival
Tony Rush
believing that these works of art are actually selling at so far below
their appraised value.
What's the gimmick?
Tony Rush
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Howie
> What's the scoop on the onboard art auctions? I have a hard time
> believing that these works of art are actually selling at so far below
> their appraised value.
>
> What's the gimmick?
Major ripoff, man. Stay away.
Howie
Tom & Linda
"Tony Rush" <to...@nospamtherushes.net> wrote in message
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> What's the scoop on the onboard art auctions? I have a hard time
> believing that these works of art are actually selling at so far below
> their appraised value.
>
> What's the gimmick?
>
They're not works of art. They're prints. Basically fancy Xerox copies of
the original paintings.
The whole concept of appraised value is very open to interpretation. The
true value of a print coming off a machine, when there are thousands of
copies made, is probably in the $2.00 range. Paper plus ink.
When an artist signs a limited number of the prints, that does add some
intrinsic value, depending on how many are signed.
If you want some "ART", I would suggest visiting a gallery in one of the
ports you visit and buy a piece of original artwork, something like an oil
on canvas, or original watercolor. Then you have something touched by the
artists hand, not a machine generated print.
--Tom
Jim
It looks like most of the stuff is quasi-limited edition "prints" or
"serigraphs" ($500 word meaning "copy".)
I say "quasi" because at least on the ones I have seen, there is no
numerical limit specified. Saying the run is limited to "30 days
production" is meaningless as modern equipment could be turning out
five thousand an hour.
Or a given run might be limited but no exclusion is made as to
additional runs.
Always keep in mind an artist mauy "license" their signature to be
used on ordinary copies. I think Dali did this or his heirs, as one
example, so even a 'signed" original may be a rubber stamp.
I'm not an art expert but these auctions amuse me as I suspect people
are paying a good deal more for a basic lithograph (if even of litho
quality, I've no skill at judging these) and a frame than they are
worthg if they did a bit of shopping landside.
An appraisal is meaningless if the appraiser works for the seller. In
many cases even independant appraisals are meaningless unless you are
dealing with a known serious expert and they don't usually do that
sort of thing for free.
Jim P.
Howie
Jim wrote:
You don't even know the half of it, man. The new gimmick is to charge
the "marks" for a shipping container that holds 5 works of "art." After
the first piece of "art" is purchased, they give the "mark" a free
one. Then these folks feel they have to bid on (buy) 3 more in order to
fill their already purchased container. The whole thing makes me sick.
Howie
its_my_dime
There is a ton of "art" out there. Some of it is quite valuable; most is
not. I absolutely do not believe that you can buy a valuable piece on a
ship for less than it is really worth
If you see something that you like, feel it will go well hanging in your
house and it costs a few hundred dollars, consider buying it. But do not
confuse a decoration with an investment because you probably will not be
able to resell it for what you pay for it.
Also note that "appraised value" is next to meaningless. There have been
many articles written about how auction galleries and dealers manipulate
sales prices and, therefore, "appraised" value. Note also that the normal
dealer profit is up to 1/2 of selling price.
Therefore, do not be fooled by the statement that something is being sold at
a fraction of its "appraised" value. Its value is what you pay for it. And
do not get caught up in the auction or last chance to own it moment.
Also, note that if you buy something from your local dealer at home, you may
be able to try it out to see if you like it in your house; not possible with
a ship.
On our last cruise, our cabin was near the storage cabin for the "art".
Each afternoon, some guys loaded dozens of paintings from this storage onto
as dolly to be moved to the art display area. The next day, the unsold
stuff was exchanged for new stuff.
As I said, a profit center.
Just my opinion.
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David C Jacobson
> believing that these works of art are actually selling at so far below
> their appraised value.
>
> What's the gimmick?
I have been on two Carnival Cruises, and before going on the first one, I
did not know that cruises had art auctions. Since I knew nothing about art
and had nothing hanging on the walls of my house, I thought it would be a
great way to get something I would like. The auction had free champagne and
if you stayed until the end, they gave you a small print. I ended up
spending about $400 for a Thomas Kinkade and 2 other prints, including the
$35 for the shipping tube. It certainly was not a planned expense in light
of my meager budget. Initially I thought it was a good value because I liked
what I bought. I did not spend as much as others. I saw people spending
thousands of dollars on Peter Max and other big name artists. So I thought I
controlled my spending better than others. I declined to order frames
onboard the ship and the appraisal fees, since I was not getting into this
as an investment. I went to Hobby Lobby here in Baton Rouge, and they set me
with frames and the "art" looks pretty good on the walls.
On the second cruise, I spent much less. I got one print I liked, and even
submitted an application for Park West credit card, when they said you could
pick out a print just by applying, regardless of whether you were approved.
I did not want the card, but I was happy to get a free print. I put stickers
on the prints I had purchased on the first cruise so that when the
auctioneer pitched those for sale, I got an idea of their "appraised"
value". It turned out that people paid a more than I did for the same prints
when I bought them six months earlier. I must admit I felt I got a better
deal, so I felt good about that.
My point is that onboard art auctions are just a way to pass time on at-sea
days. Beauty and value are in the eye of the beholder. Are you getting
ripped off by attending these auctions or buying jewelry at some store the
cruise ship has made a sweetheart deal with? Probably so, especially if you
buy the line they push from the moment you get on until the end of the
cruise. Let's face it: their goal is to have you and your money parted as
many times as possible in as many ways as possible over a seven day period.
So what makes "art" valuable? If you pay what you are comfortable with and
you like the product, then it is of value to you. As someone as already
stated, don't consider it an investment. The appraisal? It is only what
their opinion of what a willing buyer and a willing seller may agree on as
the value. As someone has already stated, when the seller is making the
appraisal and is charging you for it, something is fishy.
Most importantly, enjoy your cruise, no matter if fun and value comes from
putting quarters in a slot machine, spending your money on Tanzanite or
watches, buying a bingo card, or "buying art".
My opinion: I think they get the art auctioneers from used car lots from
around the country...
David Jacobson
Baton Rouge
Cruising Chrissy
<Tryth...@Ifyouhaveabrain.net> wrote:
>> What's the gimmick?
>
>Major ripoff, man. Stay away.
>
>Howie
Incorrect. We bought and sold many items from ship art auctions. It
helps to know what you are doing and, obviously, you do not.
RICK DAVIS
their galleries or on behalf of other galleries. They must know what
they are buying. If a work of art is expressly sold as an original it
better be. Yes there are prints...they are sold as prints. There are
also originals sold as originals. There are lithographs and
serio-lithographs also sold. If you Know the difference it will help
you determine what you are buying. Plus, Any art work bought on the
ship des come with a writen guarantee from Park West.
I have had 2 of my Kinkades verified at my local Kinkade gallery. The
gallery verified the paperwork and did verify the limited edition number
and signature. I then showed the gallery the ships bill of sale. They
could not come close to matching the price. I was informed I made a
very good purchase. One work I bought (at sea) sold out just a few
months after I purchased it and has doubled in value. The purpose of
buying art is to enjoy it. I don't know too many people who can say
they own an original (fill in the name). An original from a well known
artist will cost in the thousands if not tens or hundreds of thousands.
I don't think anyone actually thought they were buying one of a kind
pieces. If they did they didn't do their homework.
Tom & Linda
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Kinkade shops are ALSO rip-off places. I like some of his paintings, but
his prices are criminal.
Kinkade claims to be very religious. If he's so religious, maybe he
shouldn't be ripping off his customer so much.
Wasn't "Thou shalt not steal" one of the 10 big ones? Maybe he missed that
one.
--Tom <--- likes some Kinkade paintings (especially the early, non religious
stuff) , but lost all respect for the artist after reading stories about
him, and how he screws many of his gallery owners...
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Hi Rick,
Very good and acurate post, I think you and I have done this same
message before. I have also seen and talked with many dealers who were
buying for a gallery at home. I have also seen originals selling for
20/30 thousand or more.
I have also seen art in a gallery at home and the pcs that I knew were
selling for more then on the ships.
The only people who are taken in at the art auctions, are those who as
you say don't do their homework. All the conditions of a sale are
spelled out by the auctioneer and also printed on the bid cards.
sue
RICK DAVIS
reading the post from some of the people who have no idea of what they
bought and then complain they were ripped off. You know the one who I'm
talking about. They walk into the auction with a frozen drink in each
hand or a bucket of beer then start swilling the free sparkling wine.
Then complain they got ripped off because they try and act cool and bid
on everything. I love it!!
Tom, Sorry you think Kinkade is such a crook. Maybe you would like to
back that up and explain to everyone just how Kinkade is stealing from
his customers. Do you even understand the steps that are taken once a
work is complete and goes on the market? Would you like to explain it
since your so well read? Agent and dealer mark ups would have anything
to do with the price would it? I would take a Kinkade any day over a
$30K Peter Max piece of crap (IMHO). Like I said before YOU buy a
piece of art because YOU enjoy it. You don't purchase it for anyone
else.
Sue and Kevin Mullen
RICK DAVIS wrote:
> Sue, Yes you are correct we have had this post before. I do enjoy
> reading the post from some of the people who have no idea of what
> they bought and then complain they were ripped off. You know the one
> who I'm talking about. They walk into the auction with a frozen
> drink in each hand or a bucket of beer then start swilling the free
> sparkling wine. Then complain they got ripped off because they try
> and act cool and bid on everything. I love it!!
I just get tired of everyone bashing what they don't know or bother to
learn about.
> I would take a Kinkade any day over a $30K Peter Max piece of crap
> (IMHO). Like I said before YOU buy a piece of art because YOU enjoy
> it. You don't purchase it for anyone else.
You can have the Kinkades, but if only I had the money I would love a
large Peter Max(grin).
sue
Tom & Linda
Prints are not art. They're prints.
A 24x36 print is no different that a 3x5 picture of the same painting color
printed in a brochure. It's a fancy color copy. And you wouldn't call a
3x5 picture in a brochure "art".
--Tom
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Tom & Linda wrote:
> "RICK DAVIS" <RICK...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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>
>> Sue, Yes you are correct we have had this post before. I do enjoy
>>reading the post from some of the people who have no idea of what they
>>bought and then complain they were ripped off. You know the one who I'm
>>talking about. They walk into the auction with a frozen drink in each
>>hand or a bucket of beer then start swilling the free sparkling wine.
>>Then complain they got ripped off because they try and act cool and bid
>>on everything. I love it!!
>> Tom, Sorry you think Kinkade is such a crook. Maybe you would like to
>>back that up and explain to everyone just how Kinkade is stealing from
>>his customers. Do you even understand the steps that are taken once a
>>work is complete and goes on the market? Would you like to explain it
>>since your so well read? Agent and dealer mark ups would have anything
>>to do with the price would it? I would take a Kinkade any day over a
>>$30K Peter Max piece of crap (IMHO). Like I said before YOU buy a
>>piece of art
>
>
>
> Prints are not art. They're prints.
Tom, a childs drawing is a piece of art!
sue
Tom & Linda
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A copy of a childs drawing isn't, however.
--Tom
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Tom & Linda wrote:
Yeah, but who would want a copy of a childs drawing, other then a parent
or grandparent(grin).
sue
Mark K - SF
Forget investment. If whatever you buy at an auction (or gallery) delights
your eye and enhances your home, congratulations.
However please don't try to impress me on the worth of the purchase as an
investment or art.
For that matter, anyone who tries to impress with their investments is a
boor anyway.
Mark
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Tom & Linda
>
> >>>
> >>>Prints are not art. They're prints.
> >>
> >>Tom, a childs drawing is a piece of art!
> >>
> >>sue
> >>
> >
> >
> > A copy of a childs drawing isn't, however.
>
> Yeah, but who would want a copy of a childs drawing, other then a parent
> or grandparent(grin).
>
> sue
That's the same question I ask about the prints on ships. Who would want
them?
--Tom
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Tom, each to their own. When I buy at an art auction, it is something
that I love and want to hang on my walls. I don't buy as an investment.
sue
Cruising Chrissy
wrote:
> I have seen many dealers on these ships (not just Carnival) buying for
>their galleries or on behalf of other galleries.
Correct; there are deals there for those that know them.
Jim
<Tryth...@Ifyouhaveabrain.net> wrote:
You should not let it bother you. How stupid people allow themselves
to be fleeced is their own karma...now if it makes you sick that *you*
didn't think of it first..grin.
I'm to h onest to become wealthy by scamming folk..rather a pity as it
is so obviously an easy way to riches...you just have to have no
conscience.
Jim P.
Howie
>>You don't even know the half of it, man. The new gimmick is to charge
>>the "marks" for a shipping container that holds 5 works of "art." After
>> the first piece of "art" is purchased, they give the "mark" a free
>>one. Then these folks feel they have to bid on (buy) 3 more in order to
>>fill their already purchased container. The whole thing makes me sick.
>>
>>Howie
>
>
>
> You should not let it bother you. How stupid people allow themselves
> to be fleeced is their own karma...now if it makes you sick that *you*
> didn't think of it first..grin.
Just a term of speech, Jim. Not once, in all of my cruising, have I
ever set foot in one of "art" auctions. But I have hung with a couple
of the Park West guys on some of our longer cruises; so I am familiar
with how they operate. I've also overheard a number of conversations
among newbies and "art" collectors on ships. But you are correct; it is
really none of my business how others choose to spend their $$$. That's
why I have not posted on this thread, beyond my initial reply to dude
who posed the question in the first place.
Howie
Rosalie B.
You can call almost anything art including photographs. And a color
copy of a print is not the same as the original print.
Prints are made to be done as copies. There is no 'original' as there
is with a painting that might be copied. A lithograph is (or used to
be) done on a stone and the ink applied to the stone and then pressed
onto paper and that results in a print. The process is part of the
art.
An engraving is done in reverse by etching out the design or scene
into metal.
The Audubon folio was all prints. There are prints that are Picasso's
and Rembrants.
Nowadays of course, photographs can by copied by lithography (that's
how your daily paper is done). But that doesn't mean that some
lithographs are not art.
There are cases where I would say that 'art' isn't such a great
standard - my husband was on a (Navy) cruise where he gave an artist
in Italy a photograph and the artist painted a picture from it. And
20 years later, my daughter sent a photo to Korea, but instead of
painting a picture from the photo, they copied the photo onto the
canvas and put a few brush strokes over the top to make it look like a
painting. The latter picture is not such good art. But my daughter
likes it, and it's prettier (IMHO) than just a straight photograph
would be.
In my own case, I would prefer to make my own art
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and to take my own photos of places that I go, and I have plenty of
those things to put on my walls. I don't need to buy any more of
them. My children now all have one of my paintings and one of my
grandmother's paintings because neither my mom nor I have enough space
on our walls for all of them.
grandma Rosalie
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Gregory C. Read
whatever the buyer is willing to pay? It's not like the item is needed for
survival like, for example, prescription drugs.
--
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Cruising Chrissy
<tkan...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>Prints are not art. They're prints.
EOTB.
Charles
Linda <tkan...@optonline.net> wrote:
> Prints are not art. They're prints.
I think your definition is a little narrow. Is it original art, no. But
even if there are a thousand copies it may be considered art. For
example I classify Ansel Adams photos as art. There are multiple prints
of the same negative. Truly there have been many disagreements over the
ages over what is art.
Is the cruise line auction awful? I agree with you. If people
understand what it is they are purchasing when they see something they
like at the auction, and take the representations of "the pitch" with a
grain of salt, they are not getting ripped off.
--
Charles
Charles
SF <ma...@markthisaintmymiddlenamekatzenberger.com> wrote:
> Gawd, I hope I never find myself in those galleries!
Me either. All it would mean if true is that there are some awful
dealers.
--
Charles
Cruising Chrissy
<gmbe...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>You can call almost anything art including photographs.
Correct.
Heather
>even if there are a thousand copies it may be considered art.
This is true. That CD, DVD, VHS of a favorite recording artist or film is still
art even though it's a copy. A flower is art created by nature...art is in they
eye of the beholder. Regardless of the fact that something is a one of a kind,
an original or a copy, it is still art.
-Heather
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Heather
>or grandparent(grin).
I am sure an authenticated crayola masterpiece that was authored years ago by
some 5 year old who is now an A-List Celebrity would command some benjamins on
fleabay (or greedbay as I like to call it). From Fridge To Frame! lol
Cruising Chrissy
wrote:
>This is true. That CD, DVD, VHS of a favorite recording artist or film is still
>art even though it's a copy. A flower is art created by nature...art is in they
>eye of the beholder.
Here is help for you.
EOTB
Heather
>boor anyway.
Art investing is a VERY high risk proposition and should be left to those who
have knowledge about it, or to those with a hefty wealth that allows for
frivolous spending with little or no negative consequence.
>If whatever you buy at an auction (or gallery) delights
>your eye and enhances your home, congratulations.
Well said. This subject also reminds me of some good gambling advice that most
probably already know (and I hope adhere to); if you lose a small sum gambling,
you are ahead or at least broke even since you paid for entertainment. Winning
at gambling is like hitting the lottery and in some ways better (other than the
fact that the lottery is often greater sums of money) since you enjoyed
entertainment and were paid for having it. That is why what you do (or did) in
life to make a living is very important...if you are doing (or did) something
you really enjoy and are getting paid for it (almost regardless of how much you
are being paid) you have (or are) living that part of life to it's full
potential.
Heather
>whatever the buyer is willing to pay? It's not like the item is needed for
>survival like, for example, prescription drugs.
Great point...it's not like someone is holding a gun to a head saying "buy this
friggin overpriced, signed oil". Buyers will pay what they will pay if they
really want the item. It is a bit of a scam (in the minds of some) if a seller
is selling an item that is inflated way over a proper and authorized, educated
appraisal. But then again, look at something like real estate where we sold a
house WAY over what the market was and someone paid it. Needless to say, we set
a new precedent in the real estate market in the area where we sold the
property. There is often no slide rule or rhyme or reason to the madness that
is inflation. Supply and demand are just a part of the equation and further
discussion on the subject is probably beyond the scope of the current topic.
Dick Goldhaber
Eye of the beholder?
You are beyond redemption, you packet of pus.
--
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Eileen Garland
Dick Goldhaber wrote:
> You are beyond redemption, you packet of pus.
Dick, that's a really great expression.
Eileen
Cruising Chrissy
You ought to know if "dick" is a "great" expression, NutCase.
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You enjoy, just like your asshole husband, making "hit and run"
comments to/at/about me but neither of you have the guts or brains to
take me on in a public debate. God knows I have challenged each of you
several times.
But no, like the sophomoric bitch you are, you follow Howie Wowie's
lead.
Get yourself a REAL psychiatrist. Howie apparently isn't worth the
paper his doctorate is written on.
RICK DAVIS
has mentioned the really interesting facts about some of these artists
that are revealed at these auctions. You don't have to buy anything to
learn something. It never hurts to become a well rounded individual.
Stacking plastic frozen drink glasses or empty beer cans in the shape of
a pyramid on the pool deck doesn't count as being well rounded.
RTCReferee
>It never hurts to become a well rounded individual.
Are you disputing the Surgeon General? ;-)
Tom & Linda
I would submit that going to an art auction on a ship doesn't exactly count
as contributing toward making one well rounded either.
A day spent in the Louvre, Metropolitan Museum of Art, Muse d'Orsay, or the
Vatican Museum might be a bit more self enhancing.
Or even just getting a copy of the book "The Agony and The Ecstasy" by
Irving Stone (which is about the life of Michelangelo... and NO, seeing the
movie doesn't count) from your local library.
Paper prints mass produced by a Thomas Kindade factory ain't exactly in the
same ballpark as an original sculpture or oil painting by Michelangelo,
Rembrandt, Rafael, Vermeer, or Carravaggio.
--Tom
Howie
Tom,
Are you trying to replace me as the "biggest snob" in the annual rtc
awards for this year ;)
Howie
RICK DAVIS
learn something and it might lead to an interest in learning more. You
are in such a mind set that all we are talking about is Kinkade prints.
There are ORIGINALS also. Or did you just block that out to suit your
purposes for bashing the art auctions? You shouldn't be so negative.
Open your mind a little.
Tom & Linda
> Hey Tom, Its a start. It doesn't cost anything to attend. You might
> learn something and it might lead to an interest in learning more. You
> are in such a mind set that all we are talking about is Kinkade prints.
> There are ORIGINALS also.
Most of the originals are assembly line copies, where they take 30 people,
and each does the same pice on each of hundreds or thousands or canvases
that go down a conveyor.
It's "actual" oil on canvas, but it's not what I'd call originals.
Try checking out a small gallery in a town near you.
Or even better yet, why not sign up for an oil painting course in your local
adult evening school.
Or did you just block that out to suit your
> purposes for bashing the art auctions? You shouldn't be so negative.
> Open your mind a little.
I'm not being negative in my mind. I'm being careful - like I would be with
pickpockets around.
I've been doing my own oil paintings for over 20 years (at my local adult
evening school). I do them for myself (strictly as an amateur) and I think
I've gotten pretty good. I put my mind, my eyes, my hands, my frustrations,
my emotions, my heart into making my paintings. It usually takes me about a
year to complete a painting. Some work out some don't. I think I have an
open mind about paintings and art. So long as their real paintings are real
art.
--Tom
RICK DAVIS
personally have no talent for art. I have difficulty making a stick
person come out right. Thats why I guess I have so much respect for
people who have that talent. Print or Original I don't care. I don't
hang out with museum curators so whos gonna know the difference. I now
have more of an interest in art and learning about the artists. That
would never have happened for me if I didn't attend that first auction
at sea which sparked an interest. I have even been to several art
museums in NYC to see some of the masters. Again something I never
would have done before.
I personally think some of the local handmade crafts people carry on to
a ship from the islands is crap that I wouldn't take if it was given to
me. Never mind paying cash for it. But it makes people happy to have
it. So I guess thats my entire point. One persons trash is another
persons treasure. So my advice to the original posters question is Yes
I think you should attend an Auction if you have an interest. At least
sit thru one auction. They have multi during the week. If your not
impressed don't return. What have you lost except an hour and a half
and you will have learned something. If you were impressed go back and
bid on some works at the next one.
Sue and Kevin Mullen
RICK DAVIS wrote:
So my advice to the original posters question is Yes
> I think you should attend an Auction if you have an interest. At least
> sit thru one auction. They have multi during the week. If your not
> impressed don't return. What have you lost except an hour and a half
> and you will have learned something. If you were impressed go back and
> bid on some works at the next one.
I would like to add that before anyone bids on any artwork at an art
auction, that they make sure they know what is involved in bidding and
what the associated costs are.
sue
Marty
hold their value any more than the cheapest knock off prints. Buying
art as an investment is less predictable than the stock market. I buy
art that I want to look at.
I have bought art on cruises and while I never thought I was getting a
fabulous deal, I was able to get prints from artists that were out of
my range any other way. The world of art marketing is funky at best
and many artists are not available except at high end prices because
they and the galleries want to maintain the illusion of being
exclusively expensive. One print that I bought years ago, I happened
to see in a gallery. I did spend less at sea. But, it's not a big
difference and it did not fool me into thinking I got a steal. There
is also a huge difference between what you could buy something for and
what you can resell it for. Applies to all luxury items.
So, if you like art, go to the auction, have a glass of bubbly and
then, if you see something you really would love to look at for a long
time, buy it instead of souvenirs. Ignore anyone who tries to define
what "art" is or what it should be worth. The whole point of art is
visual enrichment of someone's life.
Marty
P.S. I'm an artist...not mega successful, but working on it. (I
realize that's a big old invite to all the snobs, but don't really
care.)
RICK DAVIS
complete auction they should be ready by the next one to register and
start bidding. Of course that all depends on if they see anything they
like to bid on. But all extra shipping cost are explained in the
beginning.
jcoulter
@posting.google.com:
> 90% of ALL art sold anywhere goes down in value.
Even the Baseball bats sold as art! Say it ain't so!! I want my Peter Max
original seriograph signed on the plate!
Originals may not
> hold their value any more than the cheapest knock off prints. Buying
> art as an investment is less predictable than the stock market. I buy
> art that I want to look at.
>
>
> So, if you like art, go to the auction, have a glass of bubbly and
> then, if you see something you really would love to look at for a long
> time, buy it instead of souvenirs. Ignore anyone who tries to define
> what "art" is or what it should be worth. The whole point of art is
> visual enrichment of someone's life.
>
Buying art for any other reason is like the idots who go to wine events and
buy cases of stuff that is touted as great and then store it not realizing
that they have bought great now, drink now wine. 10 years later they have
expensive dead wine.
villa deauville
When I lived on Long Island Peter Max was a regular visitor to Ocean
Beach, Fire Island.where we spent many week-ends
So much so one year Suffolk County telephone book (real yellow pages)
published a phone book with an original painting of his on the cover.
SUNNY<.........Wish I had kept mine
S'nd I
XXX
Lee
> I have had 2 of my Kinkades verified at my local Kinkade gallery.
How about bringing your "works of art" to an independent appraiser -
one who might be a little more objective than a guy in a Kinkade store
looking to make a buck on commission from another sale?
>The
> gallery verified the paperwork and did verify the limited edition number
> and signature.
Verified that you indeed did get a factory produced 'work of art" that
has real hand painting done by folks standing on an assembly line -
each adding their swoosh of blue (or green, or red) paint as your
1-in-450,000 (limited edition) print passes by. Did you check out the
60 Minutes piece on Kinkade? I'm sorry, but when an artist's sole
motivation for creating works of art shifts from his/her own
satisfaction in the process and completion of works that are
creatively fulfilling to simply making money from generating one more
sappy scene after another...in my eyes, they lose credibility as an
artist. If the artist doesn't have any passion for their own work, how
can he/she expect someone to be passionate enough about a piece to
want to hang it on a wall of their home, and look at it every day of
their lives?
>I then showed the gallery the ships bill of sale. They
> could not come close to matching the price.
Which simply means that the folks going into the Kinkade "Gallery"
(poster shop) are just being ripped off more than you...
>I was informed I made a
> very good purchase.
What would you expect them to say? It's a KINKADE store!!! Do ya think
they're gonna tell ya you were ripped off??? They want you to buy
more...and now that you're such a savvy "art" collector, I bet they
had something very, very special to show you...
>One work I bought (at sea) sold out just a few
> months after I purchased it and has doubled in value.
Provided there's a buyer willing to pay double.
Reminds me of the beanie baby craze. Folks could very easily have made
a ton of money at one time selling beanie babies when there was a
market for them. Just went to ebay, to see how the beanie baby is
doing. Of the "retired" models (like the limited edition
Kinkades...only so many were made) most have no bids against them.
Some are selling for 99в. People were buying these things like crazy.
You know...they were going to be worth something some day. Pretty
funny. I can just picture folks with bins of these stupid stuffed
animals taking up space in their garage until the next yard sale where
they'll try to unload them for 25в each...
>The purpose of
> buying art is to enjoy it.
I agree...100%.
>I don't know too many people who can say
> they own an original (fill in the name).
I own many originals. Local artists, or pieces I've found while on
vacation. Maybe they're not famous, but I know that the brushstrokes
are their own and that the money I paid went to putting a roof over
the artist's head...not to finance some huge mega corporation where
folks work for low wages on an assembly line to line the pockets of
the 'artist".
>An original from a well known
> artist will cost in the thousands if not tens or hundreds of thousands.
It could. You're right.
> I don't think anyone actually thought they were buying one of a kind
> pieces. If they did they didn't do their homework.
Best of luck with your Kinkade collection. Keep us posted on how the
values are holding up over the next decade or so. Check out
ebay...they seem to have a zillion Kinkades for sale at bargain prices
($2.50-$5.00) and NO BIDDERS!!!
Lee
villa deauville
just getting to be known in the art world.
He also was a naughty boy in those days
SUNNY
villa deauville
Nice to see you posting agan.
SUNNY<.........I hope to see more of your posts
S'nd I
XXX
Marty
Nice to be back...for a while at least. We're finally back to living
in Florida (Gulf coast). Yippeee. Los Angeles was okay, but FL is
where my heart has always been. Plus, a LOT more options for cruises.
Got rather tired of the Mexican Riviera.
Hope all is well with you and yours.
Marty
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