Celebrity Millenium pictures
Benjamin Smith
pictures of the new Celebrity Millennium at
http://www.cruisemates.com/emaze/program/readForum.cfm?confID=4&forumID=8
You may have to scroll down a few messages.
Pics of Cosmos observation lounge, casino, restaurant, foyer, cova cafe,
etc.
I'm withholding comments of these images for now.
Ben S.
E.k.R.
Thanks for posting the link! Personally, I love what I see so far on
MILLENNIUM! The ship seems very much in keeping with the "Celebrity Style"
which I love so much on CENTURY and MERCURY. Celebrity has real style, and
is willing to take a chance with non-conformist ship interiors. Sure beats
the staid ships of HAL, and Hyatt like ships of Princess. The lobby of
MILLENNIUM reminds me of something you would find at an Ian Schrager hotel,
VERY cool! In general, I would relate the MILLENNIUM to the decor of "W"
hotels, which is one of my favorite hotel brands.
On the negative, I think MILLENNIUM looks hideous from the outside. I hate
the yellow paint, protruding sun deck with support poles below it, and the
EXTREMELY square stern! I guess you can't have everything!
Ernest Roller
Atlanta, GA
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"E.k.R." wrote:
> Ben,
> Thanks for posting the link! Personally, I love what I see so far on
> MILLENNIUM! The ship seems very much in keeping with the "Celebrity Style"
> which I love so much on CENTURY and MERCURY. Celebrity has real style, and
> is willing to take a chance with non-conformist ship interiors. Sure beats
> the staid ships of HAL, and Hyatt like ships of Princess. The lobby of
> MILLENNIUM reminds me of something you would find at an Ian Schrager hotel,
> VERY cool! In general, I would relate the MILLENNIUM to the decor of "W"
> hotels, which is one of my favorite hotel brands.
Is W Westin? If so I agree.
I also find Norstrom stores to have a *very* Celebrity feel to them.
The lighting is very bright in these shots so it is tough to get real
impression of the ambiance of the rooms. I don't think the ship is fully
finished either in some of these shots, the back area of the Olympic
restaurant does not have the wood veneer in place yet. Putting the pics in
Photoshop and lowering the brightness of the lighting mellows out some of the
sheen in the casino which strikes me initially an overly ornate room
(especially compared to the simple elegance of the Mercury's casino). This
impression may change. I agree about the lobby, really stylish, look at those
tapered metal? posts and how the wood comes out of them, the swirl of the
metal handrails, the manner in which the stairwell is illuminated. Wow! I'll
say that the dining room is by the same designer, Birch Coffey, who designed
the Century dining room. I don't find it to match the elegance and richness of
the Century dining room from this picture but need to see more angles and
details.
I think HAL is staid also. They are following the Statendam blueprint to a
fault and the whimsy shown in the newer Volendam, Zaandam seems odd (weird new
light fixtures in the dining room, heavy chairs, funny busy lighted crystal
sculpture in the atrium of the Volendam, funny patterns in the showrooms, odd
diamonds below the bar of the Ocean bars, odd colors and textures in many of
the familiar Statendam areas such as Ocean and Explorer Bars, etc.) Is HAL
trying funky styling with Statendam style HAL glamour? Strange combo.
Princess has a high end Hyatt look, Park Hyatt. I agree. I find the
Regal/Crown to have more of a ship feeling to them more than the Sun and Grand
Princess class ships. Sun class has RCI like atrium, though with far more
detail refinements. Princess is high quality, but 4 identical ships and
proposed identical Grand Princess class ships is unimaginative and undaring.
>
> On the negative, I think MILLENNIUM looks hideous from the outside. I hate
> the yellow paint, protruding sun deck with support poles below it, and the
> EXTREMELY square stern! I guess you can't have everything!
Tom K. and I agree. We don't like the new livery nor do we like the cutout
area. I think Celebrity should make the small 45,000 tonners, I'm not that
pleased that she is going to be 91,000 tons. I'm also not that pleased that
she has this gigantic shopping emporium. I really don't like some of the
directions new ships are going in but Millennium still seems to have design
lineage to ships of earlier eras, and really stylish ones at that. I fully
agree with you about style and taking chances with Celebrity - they are the
most stylish ships coming out from one of the major cruise lines for the US
market, I think followed by NCL. However, I think all Celebrity ships need
smaller, more intimate lounges or piano bars, their public rooms tend to be
large (there is a definite difference in coziness between the Zenith's
Rendezvous or Fleet Bar and the Century's Rendezvous and Hemispheres).
Millennium strikes me, here, as a formal ship and I may like the coming
Infiniti more. But I don't know yet, have to see more pictures and I'll see
her in November and on schedule to see her in December for our only cruise of
this year.
Ben S.
Charles
> Tom K. and I agree. We don't like the new livery nor do we like the cutout
> area. I think Celebrity should make the small 45,000 tonners, I'm not that
> pleased that she is going to be 91,000 tons. I'm also not that pleased
that
> she has this gigantic shopping emporium. I really don't like some of the
It is just another mass market cruise line. What can you expect? As for the
livery, that is to make it clear it is a Royal Caribbean ship. Those are the
Royal Caribbean colors.
Benjamin Smith
Charles wrote:
Do you know this for a fact, Charles? Celebrity changed the colors to show it
is a RCI ship? Where did you find this out? I thought blue and gold were
Celebrity colors.
Why does it still have the chi (X) on the funnel? Does it have a Norwegian or
Greek captain?
Ben (Charles loves to always remind me that Celebrity is *just* another mass
market line, ho hum)
Charles
> Do you know this for a fact, Charles? Celebrity changed the colors to show
it
> is a RCI ship? Where did you find this out? I thought blue and gold were
> Celebrity colors.
Gold is a Celebrity color? I never noticed that. It seemed to be blue and
white. The colors on Millennium look very Royal Caribbean. That is how it
strikes me.
Benjamin Smith
white. Their promotional material including their brochures are white with blue
and gold lettering, gold headings and blue call outs and subheadings. Check it
out.
And for the record, Jaguar and Volvo are mass produced, mass market cars and
owned by Ford.
Ben S.
Benjamin Smith
Ben
Jeff Coudriet wrote:
> For convenience's sake I posted most of the pictures (from Tom on AOL's
> friend) onto a web page for easier viewing. Enjoy!
>
> http://members.bellatlantic.net/~m12q47/new_page_13.htm
>
> Jeff
>
> Benjamin Smith wrote:
> >
> > I don't know if this has been posted yet but there are high quality
> > pictures of the new Celebrity Millennium at
> > http://www.cruisemates.com/emaze/program/readForum.cfm?confID=4&forumID=8
> >
> > You may have to scroll down a few messages.
> >
> > Pics of Cosmos observation lounge, casino, restaurant, foyer, cova cafe,
> > etc.
> >
> > I'm withholding comments of these images for now.
> >
> > Ben S.
>
> --
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> "http://members.bellatlantic.net/~m12q47"
Charles
> Celebrity is definitely blue and gold. The Daily's are in Blue and Gold on
> white. Their promotional material including their brochures are white with
blue
> and gold lettering, gold headings and blue call outs and subheadings.
Check it
> out.
The gold on the brochures is a gold gold as opposed to the Royal Caribbean
yellow gold. The colors on the outside of the Millennium looks like a yellow
gold, that is why it strikes me as Royal Caribbean colors.
Benjamin Smith
also used on Princess, on a basically all white ship. Except for lifeboats I
see little yellow on these ships.
The gold used on brochures are desirable for the print process. Paint coloring
is a different process. I don't even know if they can be matched.
I have no idea why Celebrity changed their livery. I never heard that it was
for any corporate identity and there are different reactions to what she looks
like from people. Some think she looks like an oddball HAL ship, most don't
understand the change. Within RCI and Celebrity ships are different worlds,
maybe sharing some underlying layout of rooms to some degree, but the ambiance
produced is different and as far as I know they share none of the interior
design architects.
Ben S.
crzfanatic
think I like the Galaxy and Century better. I think the Greek
statues and gold topped columns in the casino are a bit much for
Celebrity. Way over the top and not what I expected. Looking
forward to getting a closer look at Thanksgiving. Still think
that they might be going a bit astray from what I can tell
though.
Andy...will wait until November to pronounce judgement...
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Charles
> I have no idea why Celebrity changed their livery. I never heard that it
was
> for any corporate identity and there are different reactions to what she
looks
> like from people. Some think she looks like an oddball HAL ship, most
don't
> understand the change. Within RCI and Celebrity ships are different
worlds,
> maybe sharing some underlying layout of rooms to some degree, but the
ambiance
> produced is different and as far as I know they share none of the interior
> design architects.
I don't have any idea why they changed it either but my reaction to the
livery was that it was very Royal Caribbean. That is how it struck me. I
don't care for it as pictured but perhaps it shows better in the real world.
As for the inside, I hope they did not try to emulate Mrs. Chandros's
selection of artwork. As for the architects, I wonder if some of them worked
on the Voyager class ships, I see some similarities.
Benjamin Smith
crzfanatic wrote:
> My initial reaction to the pictures is pretty positive but I
> think I like the Galaxy and Century better. I think the Greek
> statues and gold topped columns in the casino are a bit much for
> Celebrity. Way over the top and not what I expected. Looking
> forward to getting a closer look at Thanksgiving. Still think
> that they might be going a bit astray from what I can tell
> though.
>
Right, I think the casino is overly ornate in this pic. Have to see
more.
Cova Cafe looks pretty good, Cosmos reminds me of the NCL Majesty,
Dining room doesn't blow me away like the Century's, wonderful foyer.
It's too early to tell though, we have to see more pics and in the real
lighting situation of the rooms. I'm hoping Celebrity did not have the
designers go too far to make the ship a luxurious flagship.
>
> Andy...will wait until November to pronounce judgement...
>
More pics will be coming on line within the coming weeks.
Ben
Benjamin Smith
Tom & Linda wrote:
> Benjamin Smith wrote:
>
> > I'll see her in November and on schedule to see her in December for > our only cruise of this year.
>
>
> Does that mean Claudine said NO to the Rembrandt????
>
She did not say yes. Doesn't seem to work in the budget for the summer :(
Ben
>
> --Tom <---- thought Ben was working on a second cruise this year
Benjamin Smith
Charles wrote:
Which room? In what way? Celeb and RCI ships seem very different to me. They do
not share designers in any major way. RCI's head designer is Njal Eide, who
also does work on Princess and Celebrity's is AMK, but Celeb uses plenty of
others, including McNeece, Coffey, Shelton Mindel. AMK also has worked on the
NCL Majesty and did most of the work on the Mistral, which very much resemles
the interiors of some Celebrity ships. But even when ship lines use the same
designers sometimes the results are drastically different. The same design firm
that made the interiors for Renaissance made the Pavillion Club and casino on
the Mercury, John McNeece.
Ben S.
crzfanatic
That's what I thought too. I think of RCI as being all white
with green glass. Don't know where the blue, white, yellow is
brought in...
Jeff, are you guys doing any of the Rembrandt cruises in July?
The prices are great and it is VERY convienient for us...
Andy...24 days until the Rembrandt...
Sue Whitfield
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Tom & Linda
Benjamin Smith wrote:
> I'll see her in November and on schedule to see her in December for > our only cruise of this year.
Does that mean Claudine said NO to the Rembrandt????
--Tom <---- thought Ben was working on a second cruise this year
Jeff Coudriet
missing something??
Jeff
Charles wrote:
>
> "Benjamin Smith" <be...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:394EBBDC...@ix.netcom.com...
> > Celebrity is definitely blue and gold. The Daily's are in Blue and Gold on
> > white. Their promotional material including their brochures are white with
> blue
> > and gold lettering, gold headings and blue call outs and subheadings.
> Check it
> > out.
>
> The gold on the brochures is a gold gold as opposed to the Royal Caribbean
> yellow gold. The colors on the outside of the Millennium looks like a yellow
> gold, that is why it strikes me as Royal Caribbean colors.
--
Charles
"Jeff Coudriet" <m12...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
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> Aren't the bulk of RCCL ships painted pretty stark white--or am I
> missing something??
We are not talking about how the RCCL ships are painted. This is about how
they changed the Celebrity paint scheme on the new Celebity Millenium. It is
almost like RCI is shouting, this is ours.
Marsha L
I was on Rembrandt in March and have been fantasizing ever since about the
possibility of doing back to back cruises toward the end of their
NY/Montreal run. The reason for the wait is twofold. One an attempt to avoid
"families" (don't get me wrong, I LIKE families, but I'm a single) and
that's when I'll have some vacation time accrued.
Marsha
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Sue Whitfield
We are not talking about how the RCCL ships are painted. This is about how
is
almost like RCI is shouting, this is ours.
And it is Isn't it??? People always look so deep into things! Just enjoy
them!
QE2 Definitely has the Carnival touch, the pricing has changed, been made a
bargain....
Benjamin Smith
Charles wrote:
> "Jeff Coudriet" <m12...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:394ED618...@bellatlantic.net...
>
> > Aren't the bulk of RCCL ships painted pretty stark white--or am I
> > missing something??
>
> We are not talking about how the RCCL ships are painted. This is about how
> they changed the Celebrity paint scheme on the new Celebity Millenium. It is
> almost like RCI is shouting, this is ours.
But who says RCI changed the paint scheme and not Celebrity?
RCI and Celebrity ships are *very* different.
What I find similar with Celebrity and RCI, actually the same is the land based
operations and that they use the same type of luggage tags. But even the
presentation for the tickets for Celebrity differs from RCI. And the ships? RCI
ships have signature centrums which serve as a function of the ship, a real
crossroads and a real focal point. Celebrity's foyers have nothing to do with
serving such a funciton. RCI favors pastel colors, have signature styled seats
that one finds in areas like the champagne bars, schooner bar, areas of the
atrium, etc. Their ceilings are often reflective and have a signature style.
This Celebrity Millenium is in the mode of the Century, a new flagship to
replace the Century as the fleet's flagship. She has some of the Edwardian
inspired rooms such as her Michael's Club and her specialty restaurant. She has
a three deck foyer, her Cova cafe is definitely within a Celebrity mode. Her
restaurant is a typical, aft located Celebrity restaurant and easily
recognizable as a Celebrity restaurant in style. Celebrity's casinos vary but
both the Galaxy and the Century have fairly ornate casinos (while Mercury's is
clean and simpler). The designers that are doing the casino for the Millennium
did the casino for the Galaxy (Pierra). The only RCI features I see at least
from the pictures are those round windows on the walls that she inherits as
using the RCI hull. If one wants to argue that her shopping emporium is RCI
like in layout I won't argue with that but the ambiance and style will be that
of Celebrity. It seems Celebrity also altered their theater style to fit in the
RCI hull of the Millennium and may be somewhat similar to RCI in layout.
They've expanded the aqua spa but it has the same Asian simplicity to it
whereas RCI's solariums use various themes. Millennium may use some of the
fibre optic lighting that the Voyager uses but that's because she is a modern
ship and most modern ships use this technology. If you want to find a ship
similar to Celebrity in style some of the NCL Majesty has it and definitely the
Mistral, a European ship. I also think that the Radisson Seven Seas Mariner has
some art deco style that is related to Celebrity but on a noticeably higher
rung. RCI and Princess somewhat resemble each other in style in a few areas.
Ben S.
Charles
> But who says RCI changed the paint scheme and not Celebrity?
Celebrity is owned lock stock and barrel by RCI, so RCI changed it. They
should have left off the gold.
> RCI and Celebrity ships are *very* different.
The ship hull is the same.
The interior furnishings are different. From the pictures the Millennium
interior looks fine but you can not go by pictures alone, or by a tour, the
public areas have to be experienced while in use on cruises to see how well
they work.
Benjamin Smith
Charles wrote:
> "Benjamin Smith" <be...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
> news:394FBC4F...@ix.netcom.com...
>
> > But who says RCI changed the paint scheme and not Celebrity?
>
> Celebrity is owned lock stock and barrel by RCI, so RCI changed it. They
> should have left off the gold.
>
Sorry, Charles, that does not cut it. The paint scheme could have been changed
for a number of reasons. You offer mere speculation. Maybe Celebrity had
planned to change it before the merger. Sometimes cruise lines change things
for whatever reason they see fit. It could be a parent company to division
thing yet it may not be. Maybe the reason for changing it was purely aesthetic
and the decision was made by the ship's exterior designer, Jon Bannenberg.
>
> > RCI and Celebrity ships are *very* different.
>
> The ship hull is the same.
>
The hull /keel/platform was a given but different designers shaped the
exteriors. RCI may have had some influence. I frankly don't know how much they
did if they did.The man who shaped this exterior, from the RCI hull, was Jon
Bannenberg who did all Celebrity ships from Horizon to present.
The shots we are discussing are interior, not exterior, shots. RCI and
Celebrity ships are different worlds within. These are not two divisions of a
company whose ship's interiors resemble each other.
>
> The interior furnishings are different. From the pictures the Millennium
> interior looks fine but you can not go by pictures alone, or by a tour, the
> public areas have to be experienced while in use on cruises to see how well
> they work.
Of course not, I never claimed I can. I can go by references, I can go by the
designers and their styles which I'm fairly good at recognizing, I can go by
some of the guidelines I've found aboard other Celebrity ships and I've been
on all of them except for the Horizon and of course this new ship. You can go
by a tour in terms of assessing the overall quality of the ship. You can not
go into certain cruise aspects, day vs. night ambiance, crowding in rooms,
obstacles to servers at certain times, noise levels in cabins, ships
stability, etc. But you can certainly tell the peculiar characteristics to
each ship line when spending a few hours onboard.
Ben S.
Charles
> Sorry, Charles, that does not cut it. The paint scheme could have been
changed
> for a number of reasons. You offer mere speculation. Maybe Celebrity had
> planned to change it before the merger. Sometimes cruise lines change
things
> for whatever reason they see fit. It could be a parent company to division
> thing yet it may not be. Maybe the reason for changing it was purely
aesthetic
> and the decision was made by the ship's exterior designer, Jon Bannenberg.
Of course this is speculation. Surely the reason the color scheme on this
ship was picked can be discussed subjectively rather than objectively.
Aesthetically I don't like it. It may look much better than as pictured.
Others may love it. I don't think they are going to, or should, win or lose
any bookings based on the livery. But I am sure that the CEO of Royal
Caribbean was doing his job and had the final say on the color scheme, not
the ship's exterior designer.
Sue Whitfield
to be read or is it Outlook Express giving me trouble?
Benjamin Smith
Ben S.
Charles
> It was Bannenberg. See Tim Rubacky's post.
Which post? Is it under this thread? If you want me to see it I need a
little help finding it as Tim has quite a few posts.
Designers don't have final say. Major corporations don't do business that
way. They are employed by Royal Caribbean in this case. Whatever design they
do is not done in a vacuum. There are committees, meetings, surveys, focus
groups etc. Then the CEO's wife makes the final decision.
Benjamin Smith
Tim can tell you who was involved in the final decision and if Richard Fain's
wife had anything to do with it.
Celebrity is using their pool of designers for the Millennium on a common
RCI/Celebrity platform. I've already mentioned the head interior designers for
each marque and the yacht designer of the Millennium's exterior.
What are you getting at, Charles? That the Millennium is a Royal Carribean
ship? It is not. It is a Celebrity ship, it is owned by RCI, the corporation
that owns Celebrity and oversees certain business functions. But there is a
distinct difference between the RCI styled ships and those of Celebrity.
Ben S.
Jeff Coudriet
Charles wrote:
>
> "Jeff Coudriet" <m12...@bellatlantic.net> wrote in message
> news:394ED618...@bellatlantic.net...
>
> > Aren't the bulk of RCCL ships painted pretty stark white--or am I
> > missing something??
>
> We are not talking about how the RCCL ships are painted. This is about how
> they changed the Celebrity paint scheme on the new Celebity Millenium. It is
> almost like RCI is shouting, this is ours.
--
Tim Rubacky
the paint scheme for the Millennium Class. They experimented with several
different schemes (I saw them) ranging from the traditional white with blue
racing stripes, blue with white racing stripes, a combo of both blue and
white stripes and finally settled on the new royal blue with white and gold
for a totally new look.
While many may not like it, trust me, it softens the ship's profile and
overall look quite drastically and makes her appear much more majestic and
distinctive. The gold was merely added in along with the red, to give the
ship a daring, sharp look.
As for the hull, the Millennium and Radiance Class both share the same basic
hull "Platform" and machinery, but they have different bows and sterns.
Tim Rubacky
Consumer Affairs Editor, CruiseMates.Com
www.CruiseMates.com
201-847-9707-Voice
201-847-8521-Fax
Tim Rubacky
work!
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Tim Rubacky
Trust me here......Richard Fain was not sitting in his office one day and
all of a sudden have a "come to Jesus session" and decide "Gee, let's paint
the Millennium Blue".
Basically, in a nutshell, Jon Bannanberg designed several different liveries
and he was not happy with any of them nor were the ship's architects.
Bannaenberg went out on a limb and painted it blue with gold trim. Everyone
at the shipyard thought it looked quite smart and he then presented it to
Rick Sasso and Richard Fain.
They both liked it, but in the end, they left it up to Bannenberg as he is
the designer and is *empowered* to make such decisions.
--Tim
Charles
> It's in this thread.
For some reason it was not propagated here. I will have to check out deja.
> Tim can tell you who was involved in the final decision and if Richard
Fain's
> wife had anything to do with it.
You are taking this too seriously.
> What are you getting at, Charles? That the Millennium is a Royal Carribean
> ship? It is not. It is a Celebrity ship, it is owned by RCI, the
corporation
Actually I just don't care for the livery, it gives the ship a heavy look.
The colors sure do remind me of the RCI logo, though.
Benjamin Smith
Charles wrote:
Charles, the pictures that I gave a link to are interior shots, not exterior
shots. I don't know why we are discussing the exterior. Anyway, a lot of us do
not like the new livery, in fact I can not think of a Celebrity fan here that
likes the Millennium (and Infiniti and Constellation)'s livery.
Tim changed the name of the thread, maybe that has something to do with it.
Here it is:
Begin Tim Rubacky post:
Truth be known, It was actually yacht designer Jon Bannenberg who changed
the paint scheme for the Millennium Class. They experimented with several
different schemes (I saw them) ranging from the traditional white with blue
racing stripes, blue with white racing stripes, a combo of both blue and
white stripes and finally settled on the new royal blue with white and gold
for a totally new look.
While many may not like it, trust me, it softens the ship's profile and
overall look quite drastically and makes her appear much more majestic and
distinctive. The gold was merely added in along with the red, to give the
ship a daring, sharp look.
As for the hull, the Millennium and Radiance Class both share the same basic
hull "Platform" and machinery, but they have different bows and sterns.
Tim Rubacky
Consumer Affairs Editor, CruiseMates.Com
www.CruiseMates.com
201-847-9707-Voice
201-847-8521-Fax
End Tim Rubacky post
Ben S.