art auctions
bb
cruises? I would like to know whether they are good deals, or whether I can
get ripped off. I'm not an art expert, but would be interested in bidding
as an activity on my cruise. I understand the company is Park West at Sea.
I couldn't seem to locate much info on their website.
Thanks for any information you can lend.
Babs
DaFlaBear
make this statement based upon the difference between the "auction"
price and their "appraisal".
I have found that a good rule of thumb is if you like it, then buy it. I
would not count on it as an investment.
Joseph Coulter
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prices aren't bad, just not as good as they make them sound. If you like
it and are happy with the price it is a good thing, none of it is likely
to be worth more than you paid however and that is the big complaint
about the way they pimp the stuff.
--
Joseph Coulter
Cruises and Vacations
http://www.josephcoulter.com/
bb
have a good time.
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Thanks for your kind reply. I look forward to buying a piece or two and
hope they are reputable enough to actually ship them to me!
babs
jim
others have said, if you like it and like the price then go ahead and buy
it. You are not going to get a $5,000 print, sketch, lithograph, etc for
$100. Remember there is also a buyers premium which is usually 10-15%. We
have bought some works we like and wanted many years ago and they are
probably worth what we paid by now. They are not an investment.
Jim
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bb
it. Always a little skeptical I suppose when you think you'll never see
these guys again.
babs
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Tom K
off. They are simply expensive prints. And very expensive. They are NOT
an investment.
If you enjoy something, consider buying it for your own enjoyment. But
don't buy it for an investment.
--Tom
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Tom K
> Thanks, Jim. Always glad to hear that they WILL send the art if I pay for
> it. Always a little skeptical I suppose when you think you'll never see
> these guys again.
> babs
>
They have the concession on just about every ship. That's too much exposure
to risk not sending you the piece you bought. They can make much more money
gouging you on price, than they can on stiffing you.
Most pieces probably cost about 50 cents to reproduce in the quantities that
they buy. If you pay $800 for something that cost them 50 cents... why
would they not ship it?
This is all about sending your wallet home lighter than when you came on
board. And they're masters at it. They'll sell you a song and dance about
what a limited edition you're buying.
If you really want a piece of art, my suggestion would be to visit a local
art gallery at one of the places that you visit, and buy an original oil
painting or water color at the gallery. Then at least you have something
created by the Artist's hands. Not by a big fancy Xerox machine in a run of
a million copies.
--Tom
rieker5.n...@hotmail.com
> don't buy it for an investment.
Don't forget the free champagne...! Even if it tastes like vinegar. Free
is free....and you don't have to buy anything...
kinda like getting Disney tickets after enduring a timeshare session.
Still....I'd rather play trivia, or rest up for supper.
Surfer E2468
too high for a lithograph
(.a cruise lover.)
clint
The Ziuerdamn had a lot of pictures(to expensive). We criused her in
September out of New Orleans(before Rita...thank God!
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Dennis P. Harris
<b...@attbi.com> wrote:
> I would like to know whether they are good deals, or whether I can
> get ripped off.
ripoff is the word.
Dorothy
This kind of negates the buyers primium charge as this is extra profit for
the seller. They own the paintings. The quality of art is very poor.
Why do you think you would get a bargain for art on a cruise ship?
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Another thing of which to be aware. the cost of quality framing is quite
high. I love to see the look on people's faces when they go to get their
bargains framed, "But I only paid $X for the print!" If you go you
should get an idea of what a matt, frame, and quality glass mounting
will cost you in your area it can easily run to $200 or so.
Listen carefully to what they describe, they rarely lie outright, but do
stretch it a bit with claims like signed on the plate! right that makes
it about as rare as a one dollar bill.
Then there are the limited edition Rembrandts, I love those R was so
into modern art practices
Marsha L
comes up so often...
They said frames were included, with upgrades (for a fee of course)
available.
Shipping $35.
"Fee" of (I think) 15% (I don't get that one)
Most things were available in almost endless numbers, but some were
supposedly originals.
There was a viewing and only those pieces that someone had expressed an
interest in were presented.
There was almost no real bidding, prints were sold at the price that was
presented, only bidding on the originals.
I enjoyed my glass of champagne and didn't buy anything nor did I go to any
other of their presentations.
Marsha
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Joseph Coulter
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> I don't usually go to these things, but did last week because the
> subject comes up so often...
> They said frames were included, with upgrades (for a fee of course)
> available.
frames are available on the carry off pieces as a rule those that they send
come in a tube.
Marsha L
definitely what he said.
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Duck
Yes the comment on framing would be wise. Check the framing cost on
the size you are thinking about before you go. Framing at home can run
into BIG $$$$$
Dillon Pyron
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>
>> First off, they are not auctions as there is very little if any
>> bidding. This kind of negates the buyers primium charge as this is
>> extra profit for the seller. They own the paintings. The quality of
>> art is very poor.
>>
>> Why do you think you would get a bargain for art on a cruise ship?
>>
>>
>>
>> "Dennis P. Harris" <NO_SPAM_T...@gci.net> wrote in message
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>>> On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:56:17 GMT in rec.travel.cruises, "bb"
>>> <b...@attbi.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to know whether they are good deals, or whether I can
>>>> get ripped off.
>>>
>>> ripoff is the word.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Another thing of which to be aware. the cost of quality framing is quite
>high. I love to see the look on people's faces when they go to get their
>bargains framed, "But I only paid $X for the print!" If you go you
>should get an idea of what a matt, frame, and quality glass mounting
>will cost you in your area it can easily run to $200 or so.
We regularly pay $80 for simple frames. The art is there to be looked
at, not to appreciate in value, although several pieces have done just
that. We're now buying limited edition bronzes. Again for the art,
not for the appreciation, although, again, some are worth a great deal
more.
>
>Listen carefully to what they describe, they rarely lie outright, but do
>stretch it a bit with claims like signed on the plate! right that makes
>it about as rare as a one dollar bill.
If it doesn't have a remarque, it's rarely worth much more than an
expensive poster. And those limited editions of 5000 really are worth
the extra money. I'm looking at my limited edition 2003 USGP beanie
baby knock off. 134 of 1000. It's actually worth about $50, paid
$22.
>
>Then there are the limited edition Rembrandts, I love those R was so
>into modern art practices
Limited to however many they can sell.
--
dillon
Could have been is in the past
Could be is in the future
There is only the now
Brian K
repros. For the life of me I don't know why people shell out for this
substandard dreck they can buy in any shopping mall.
You needn't buy from a high end art gallery. Art Student's Leagues such
as the one in New York City is an excellent source for original art.
Think about it, you are supporting young emerging artists. At the same
time you're getting an original work of art at a very reasonable price.
I bought several pieces from students at University of South Carolina's
Sloan School of Art. One of the artists is now showing in Atlanta, New
York and Paris. A piece I got for $15.00 is now worth thousands.
Why get hosed while on a cruise? Buy your art from artists, not art
brokers.
--
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jimbo
RICK DAVIS
the local gallery. Many hundreds less. I took the paperwork and bill
of sale into my local gallery and was informed by the gallery it was a
fantastic deal and they could have never sold me what I bought for at
the price I bought for. So its not all smoke and mirrors. Shortly
after I bought "Quiet Evening" it sold out. It has increased in value
and is a signed & numbered limited edition. You buy art to enjoy. You
also invest in a nice frame to accent what you enjoy looking at. Just
like you landscape your yard to accent your house. Some people pay more
(professional vs. do it yourself) than others.....and its obvious.
Charles
DAVIS <RICK...@webtv.net> wrote:
> My Thomas Kinkade's were purchased for hundreds less on board than in
> the local gallery.
I saw the TV show on Kinkade. The "works" are printed at a factory and
workers add "brushstokes" to the prints. That is not art, it is a
commodity.
> Shortly after I bought "Quiet Evening" it sold out. It has increased
> in value and is a signed & numbered limited edition. You buy art to
> enjoy.
Then why do you keep talking about it increasing in value?
People enjoy a lot of things. That does not make them art.
--
Charles
Dorothy
mass produced prints, with a bit of touching up by an hourly employee. Did
you bid for
this piece or did you pay what they wanted? Also what is the reason for the
buyers premium?
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RICK DAVIS
artist for that matter. There can only be 1 original. Unless your
buying an unknown artists work can the average person afford an
original. Adding brush strokes is very common. Especially to canvas.
You make it sound like its an awful thing. Of course its a commodity its
a business. To mass produce a product is also the only way some people
can afford beautiful art to enjoy. But when you say its not art your
wrong. Your just being a boorish snob. Who are you the Art Police to
deem what is art and what isn't?
I never bought my pieces because I expected them to increase in value.
They just did and thats nice. I don't plan on selling. Someone else
posted that you don't buy expecting that to happen. And thats true.
You buy art because you like it. Because my sold out limited editions
did increase gives discredit to the statement that anything Park West
sells will not increase in value. I just am so tired of people in this
NG who are so negative about everything and consider themselves an
authority on a subject they know nothing about. They claim it's a
rip-off and I just proved it isn't. Again proving they don't know what
they are talking about. Like anything you buy you need to know what
your buying. Most people don't and those who who get burnt are the ones
who are negative. They are also the ones who walk into an art auction
knowing nothing of the various types of reproductions available today.
Is it also known that an original Disney Animation Cell can sell onboard
for hundreds less than at a Disney Store? Or is that a rip-off as well?
Instead they claim everything is just a poster, a copy of an original on
paper. Again untrue and uneducated on the subject.
People come to this NG looking for advice and answers to questions that
are very common to us. But cruises are new to alot of people. Believe
it or not, not everyone has been cruising for 20 years or more. To
bash something someone has a question to is wrong. There must some
positive aspect to the auctions or they wouldn't be a popular as they
are. There is just alot of misinformation that gets thrown out here on
this group. Yes copies are part of the auction, But don't forget to say
there are also originals as well. Tell the whole truth...not just
half.
Rosalie B.
>I never bought my pieces because I expected them to increase in value.
>They just did and thats nice. I don't plan on selling. Someone else
>posted that you don't buy expecting that to happen. And thats true.
>You buy art because you like it. Because my sold out limited editions
>did increase gives discredit to the statement that anything Park West
>sells will not increase in value. <snip rest of rant>
If you have not sold the piece for more than you got it for, then you
don't know that it has increased in value. Anyone can say anything
about how much it is worth. You have to have someone willing to put
down the money to know for sure
So I agree that you shouldn't buy anything that you don't love (and I
saw absolutely NOTHING for sale that I would give house room to - I
don't particularly care for Kinkade), and that you should not buy as
an investment.
.
grandma Rosalie
RICK DAVIS
think there were only 6 limited editions of 1 and a dozen of the other I
bought. But if you walk into a Kinkade gallery they are also set
prices. Thomas Kinkade doesn't set the price of any of his works. Each
work goes thru many people before it reaches the buyer. Another reason
an original work is almost impossible to get and why there is a buyers
premium. Each person along the line gets a piece of the sale. But
the set price of each on the ship was well below the Kinkade Gallery
price. People need to be educated on the prices before they buy.
Just like the average person price shops for a new washer or dryer they
need to be aware of current art prices as well.
RICK DAVIS
value. Especially on a sold out limited edition items that were
purchased for less than gallery prices to start with. Pieces do become
available thru galleries and when they do the prices continue to climb.
I do check once in a while what the last pieces sold for at auction or
thru the gallery. Thats how you know its increased in value without
selling. For instance my one has increased over $1200 from the purchase
price. That is an increase without selling.
Just because you didn't see anything worth buying doesn't mean that
every ship offers the exact same items. Or that your taste is the same
as everyone else. Just like you don't like Kinkade and I do. So if I
based my decision (as a first timer) on your review I would have never
attended any auction. I would have missed out on two great great
purchases. Again nobody said that art should purchased as an
investment. If it happens to increase thats a bonus. I've been on some
ships where I wouldn't do any of the shore tours if they gave it to me
for free. But that doesn't mean I should bash every shore tour on every
ship just because I didn't see something I liked. Thats my point.
People should be able to form their own opinion. While others should be
less negative especially on a subject they don't have a great deal of
knowledge with. Thats all. Enough said.
seah...@aol.com
Hi Peanut Dorthy,
You just buried yourself with this comment. If you're going to bet on
something, it means you DON'T KNOW the answer. Give some neophytes a
chance to figure it out for themselves, and don't be adamant to prove a
point you don't know the answers to.
To Peanut BB,
Don't you fret. I've purchased four hand numbered limited edition
serio-lythagraphs and I love all of them ($90.00 to $225). However, I
also love original art, and only have a certain amount of space. One
day I'm probably going to have to sell something, and I know for a fact
that I'd be able to sell the serio-lythagraphs for, at least, what they
would be going for in a Park West gallery, and, chances are, that is
not going to go down. As I said, Peanut BB, don't you fret. If you
love it, just like a friggin' throw rug, the $225 is worth it. And
don't you dare not attend an auction for yourself. At the very least,
they're fun, and you learn something about art that you didn't know
walking in. Happy Cruisin'
jim
Nobody owns an original Kinkade as they are never sold. Just his thing.
Doesn't matter if you buy through an authorized studio, directly through
him, or even on a ship, they are all the same. I have two but they were not
bought on a ship and we bought them simply because we liked them. Same for
any of the prints we have bought. We have purchased a number of Warden's
onboard again, simply because we liked them, besides, his originals go for
tens of thousands! If you like the piece they are selling and the price is
worth it to you, then have at it. If you are buying as an investment, you
will be disappointed.
Jim
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seah...@aol.com
First, good for you on your art that went up in value. I'm assuming
you bought it because you loved it. Good for you. Second, I agree
about supporting young artists. The money is well spent no matter how
you look at it. That's another thing people should think about before
they buy art on the ship. There are real gems out there just waiting
to be bought and are truly, no doubt, authentic works of art. Happy
Cruisin'
Charles
<RICK...@webtv.net> wrote:
> To mass produce a product is also the only way some people
> can afford beautiful art to enjoy. But when you say its not art your
> wrong. Your just being a boorish snob. Who are you the Art Police to
> deem what is art and what isn't?
No, just that my definition of art does not include mass produced
factory products. Mass production is commodity production done by
loborers. It was not created by an artist or craftsman The factory
product may very well be beautiful but that does not make it art. My
definition of art is that the work is made or crafted by the artist. If
you want to call that snobbish so be it.
> There must some positive aspect to the auctions or they wouldn't be a
> popular as they are.
Sure. It is positive for the cruise line and the auction company. They
reap a nice profit from items that are cheap to produce. Popularity
doesn't prove anything in itself. As PT. Barnum used to say, there is a
sucker born every minute.
--
Charles
seah...@aol.com
it art.>>
Peanut Charles:
The point is to appreciate it. Don't be a dope. I love my original
art AND I love my purchases from the various ships. Is one more
authentic than the other? Yup. But heck, I even appreciate the frames
I have. Don't be such a snobby art whore -- just enjoy. And while
someone else might not appreciate art as we do, maybe someone will get
a thrill from taking part in the experience of buying art on board.
Maybe it will even guide them into going into a real gallery for the
first time. Just enjoy your cruises and all they have to offer. Don't
be such a petty puss!
Surfer E2468
and used puzzle saver,framed them and when someone sees them they do not
know the difference,unless they get very very close,and we enjoy them
just as much as a lithograph of his art
(.a cruise lover.)
RICK DAVIS
masterpieces from great artists. That must be the only art you have
hanging in your home. Other wise you have no art. Would you care to
list all the great master you have hanging? You are such a snob! You
must be a lot of fun to eat dinner with. The only sucker here is
you...and your twisted beliefs. If there was any fraud here it would
not continue on cruise line after cruise line, ship after ship, year
after year. I've proven you wrong and you can't accept it. Now I
challenge you to prove fraud as you have claimed. Prove where any of
this art is fraud or copies. Or are you just talking out of your blow
hole? Every item shown is presented as a copy, collectors portfolio,
lithograph, syrolithograph, original, animation cell, sports
memorabilia, autograph or sketch (did I forget one). What part of the
auction went over your head when your heard everything is a Xerox Copy?
Or were you too busy chugging down the free champagne because it free?
Give everyone here a break will ya. Next cruise go back to an auction
and listen. Then go back to your inside cabin on deck 3 and read the
material they give you. Its free...and learn something. Quit talking
out out bum hole and pay attention. Then pull that lump of coal out of
your butt...it will never turn into a diamond you tight as*.
Charles
<RICK...@webtv.net> wrote:
> Next cruise go back to an auction and listen. Then go back to your
> inside cabin on deck 3 and read the material they give you. Its
> free...and learn something. Quit talking out out bum hole and pay
> attention. Then pull that lump of coal out of your butt...it will
> never turn into a diamond you tight as*.
What an amusing rant. Touchy arn't you? The cruise line "auction"
flacks have you hook, line, and sinker. Given the general lack of art
education in the US that is somewhat understandble.
--
Charles
seah...@aol.com
You're really stupid. And you don't make many good points, do you?
No, you don't. And you use far too many fragments.
Tom K
> Congratulations Charles on being able to only afford original
> masterpieces from great artists.
Original doesn't mean masterpiece or great artist.
There are many artists who paint wonderful pieces at affordable prices.
They even use the sales to pay mortgages, buy food for their families, etc.
You don't need to spend millions or even thousands to get a nice original
piece. And it's not made in some sweat shop art factory ten thousand copies
at a time.
The same couple hundred bucks you might spend on a ship can buy an original
from a local gallery.
--Tom
Dick G.
3rd and now has a grand total of 9 posts suddenly start calling people
names.
Charles and I don't always get along, but I would never call him stupid.
If your note #10 is as nasty as the last few, I'll never see note #11.
--
DG in Cherry Hill, NJ
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Dick G.
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>
> Original doesn't mean masterpiece or great artist.
>
> There are many artists who paint wonderful pieces at affordable prices.
> They even use the sales to pay mortgages, buy food for their families,
> etc.
>
> You don't need to spend millions or even thousands to get a nice original
> piece. And it's not made in some sweat shop art factory ten thousand
> copies at a time.
>
> The same couple hundred bucks you might spend on a ship can buy an
> original from a local gallery.
>
> --Tom
>
and replaced it with movie posters.
When I moved here in 1988 I did my living room in original pastels by
unknown artists and one by a guy named Reynolds, whose drawing of a horse
was bought by my wife in 1958 and now hangs in my kid's apartment.
The den and hallway are Disney classic posters, a Disney cell, and the only
thing I have that might be of value, an original MGM poster for "That's
Entertainment", and a signed poster by the stars of "Chaplin"..
My bedroom is stuff I bought from the Smithsonian when Danni lived in
Washington.
My point is that art is and should be in the eye of the beholder. If you
like it, and it fits, then buy it.
Making this post "on topic", I have seen art on ships that I would have
brought into my home if I had the room.
Brian K
artist. Kinkade is Andy Warhol's pop-art with sentiment. Mass produced.
Brian K
declared:
shopping mall. As an artist I patronize original art. Yep, it's a
political thing for me. That's the real thrill, to buy something that
hasn't been mass produced - to have an original! Even if the artist is
unknown, and the price was only $5.00. You come out of it not only with
an original work of beauty, but you may have helped that artist pay
his/her rent with your purchase. Be a patron of artists and not the
mass marketers.
Brian K
concept is the same.
RICK DAVIS
are some very twisted people who give very bad advice in this group.
Determine for yourself and talk to some others who attend. You can
see from other peoples posts that this is a heated discussion.
To all the others - You are all missing the point. What I call art
and enjoy and what you call art and enjoy doesn't matter. The point
here is everyone is so negative about Park West. Let the original
poster go to an auction and decide for herself. Let her learn something
for herself. Some of you snobs have openly decided what is art and what
isn't. The original poster has the right to decide for herself if its
worth while. I have yet to hear anyone of you admit that Park West does
sell Originals. You all throw out phrases like, "copies", "paint by
numbers", "reprints". What about the Original Picasso hand sketches -
or is that not art and just a copy also? How about the original Peter
Max they have? Basically you few people deem what is acceptable and
tell the rest of us walking talking idiots that we are inferior to your
superior taste and knowledge in art. NEWS FLASH - Thats a snob! I am
not praising Park West in this group. I am saying like the other poster
stated (seahorsep) its a great opportunity to learn something about art.
Maybe take that new found education home with them and get their feet
wet buying at a local gallery or local art show. Maybe even buying at
mall. If they enjoy it what the hell is wrong with that? Except that a
few of you have passed your personal judgement on it. Some of you nice
folks need to remember that people come to this group in search of some
advice. Personal opinions are part of that. But lies and half truths
slant those opinions in a unfair direction. Just remember the advice
you give might mean the difference of someone doing something that might
expand their minds. I know thats a hard concept for some of you to
understand. New concepts in narrow minds don't tend to work together.
Warren
RICK DAVIS wrote:
> If they enjoy it what the hell is wrong with that? Except that a
> few of you have passed your personal judgement on it.
Rick,
You are correct that the shipboard art auctions can sometimes be
educational and even entertaining. At the very least it's as good
enough excuse to get out of the sun for a bit as any other. But IMHO,
I do believe that most of the time the auctioneers employ enough fast
talk and doublespeak to convince "bidders" to get caught up in the
(boozed enhanced) moment to buy something they would think twice about
otherwise. I've observed that some people who spend a lot of money at
these shipboard auctions often display a faux expertise of what is and
is not art. On a cruise I took in early 2005 I had the opportunity to
have drinks with the shipboard auctioneers. I won't name names, but
they actually mocked the folks who buy so many of the Kinkades sold
aboard ship (I think the term they used was "shlock") and at the same
time acknowledged them as surefire profit makers.
I always ask myself this question: if the art sold aboard is so
valuable, why then are they left out on display overnight? I've seen
some of the pieces being sold aboard ship on display at my local Bed
Bath and Beyond for $50: the same prints on canvas, with the same added
brush strokes. I've seen most of the works available on art.com priced
rather cheaply. It's when you add the frame that the price spikes
nearly 10 fold.
IMHO, and yes in my "personal judgement" I equate the "art" sold aboard
ships to the inch of gold sales they set up in the atrium. It may be
shiny and pretty, but fine jewelry it certainly isn't. It's costume
gold plated jewelry, just as most of the pieces sold aboard are
"fakes". I'm not saying there's anything wrong with buying either
product. It's fun to buy tschokes on vacation. But you seem to take it
personally when this is all pointed out. Don't be a "snob" who won't
allow all opinions to be posted to a question.
Add me to the list of people who would rather buy truly original works
from local (currently unknown) artists during my travels and make it a
point to do so. If I can buy the exact same "work" of art at my local
BB&B or online at art.com there's no advantage to buying it aboard a
ship and certainly no savings. Whenever I look at the original
paintings hanging on my walls I enjoy knowing that nobody else in the
world can say the same. Enjoy your Kinkades, but hundreds or thousands
of others have duplicates - and to me that diminishes the personal
"value" of the piece regardless of what other copies sell for in a
"gallery."
Warren <--- who studied Art History in college many moons ago.
Karen Selwyn
> My Thomas Kinkade's were purchased for hundreds less on board than in
> the local gallery. Many hundreds less. I took the paperwork and bill
> of sale into my local gallery and was informed by the gallery it was a
> fantastic deal and they could have never sold me what I bought for at
> the price I bought for. So its not all smoke and mirrors. Shortly
> after I bought "Quiet Evening" it sold out. It has increased in value
> and is a signed & numbered limited edition.
While nothing you've written is incorrect, it misses an important point.
If you decide to sell your Kinkade, you'll need a buyer. A gallery won't
buy it from you at the current retail value. If they did, the gallery
would have to increase the selling price to make a profit. No one will
buy a readily available print from one gallery for $X+ when that same
print is available for $X at a different gallery. Admittedly, in these
days of ebay and craigslist, you might be able to find a buyer willing
to pay full retail. However, I hope you're not expecting the full retail
value if you sell to a gallery even if that same gallery handles Kinkades.
Karen Selwyn
D Ball
I like your attitude and agree, art is in the eye of the beholder, we should
all buy what pleases us.
The only quibble I have is with the concept that there are "original
Picassos," for example, on cruise ship auctions. I think one will find Park
West and other cruise ship auctioneers are not vouching for the provenance
one would expect when the word "original" is used.
Diana Ball
near Houston, TX
Dennis P. Harris
RICK...@webtv.net (RICK DAVIS) wrote:
> Charles, Not many people own and original Kinkade or any well known
> artist for that matter.
Not that the originals would be worth owning. His junk is the
WORST "art" I've ever seen, just pure schmalz. I'm astonished
that anyone would pay for his junk.
They might be pictures, but they're NOT art.
He and his printers do run a good scam, though. Like Mencken
said, you can't underestimate the taste of the American public.
Sue and Kevin Mullen
jim wrote:
> They will ship you the items and you will get what you paid for. As the
> others have said, if you like it and like the price then go ahead and buy
> it.
We have bought a lot at the art auctions and I agree that mostly you
should buy only what you really like and want to hang in your home,
not for investment purposes. They do have some original art that would
be a good investment, but those are very expensive and you have to
really know alot about art/value etc before even considering any of them.
> Remember there is also a buyers premium which is usually 10-15%. We
> have bought some works we like and wanted many years ago and they are
> probably worth what we paid by now. They are not an investment.
At the beginning of the art auctions they tell you about the buyers
premium, shiping costs, what pcs you will get framed/unframed etc. I
suggest going to one auction to "listen and learn", then if you are
still interested bid at future auctions.
sue
Sue and Kevin Mullen
Joseph Coulter wrote:
> "Marsha L" <Thos...@invalid.att.net> wrote in
> news:2l2Gf.351411$qk4....@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>
>>I don't usually go to these things, but did last week because the
>>subject comes up so often...
>>They said frames were included, with upgrades (for a fee of course)
>>available.
>
>
> frames are available on the carry off pieces as a rule those that they send
> come in a tube.
There are some pieces that are shiped already frames, but I belive
that is mostly with more expensive pieces of art. The majority are
shipped in tubes as you said.
sue
Patricia Martin Steward
Oh, one of my favorite quotes! It's actually:
"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the
American public. "
Art is subjective, of course, but true art isn't mass-produced like
his.
--
Face your fears.
Live your dreams.
Brian K
seah...@aol.com
CHARLES IS STUPID!!! Just look at all of his posts on the GGC2006 with
his fault finding ways. Please, as a well weathered and beautifully
tanned cruiser, I'm offended by his negative existence....
I've been s-a-v-v-y to this joint for years.
seah...@aol.com
<<Or, as P.T. Barnum said: "There's a sucker born every minute!">>
And you know a lot about sucking.
How dare you pontificate about what is and what is not art!!! When a
guy or a woman wearing Doc Martins spends their lifetime perfecting
their vision, I call it FABULOUS!!!
Dick G.
When your posting "career" consists of 10 notes, calling people names is a
great way of getting yourself killfiled.
PLONK!
--
DG in Cherry Hill, NJ
<seah...@aol.com> wrote in message
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RICK DAVIS
Remember P.T. Barnum "A sucker is born every minute".... isn't that what
you say? What minute were you born on? I don't think seahorsep was
that out of line with his comment.
RICK DAVIS
wrong....sorry about that, but not the other comment.