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Orval Fairbairn
Mar 15, 2013, 11:27:10 PM3/15/13
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It seems that Carnival ships are making headlines with their breakdowns.
With the cruise industry so hungry for customers, their profit margins
must be pretty thin. Are they cutting into essential maintenance in
order to defray operational costs?
With the cruise industry so hungry for customers, their profit margins
must be pretty thin. Are they cutting into essential maintenance in
order to defray operational costs?
Ray Goldenberg
Mar 16, 2013, 11:03:32 AM3/16/13
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In article
<orfairbairn-4C7E...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Why is this even in question?
Of course they are.
And the suckers keep on coming.
<orfairbairn-4C7E...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Of course they are.
And the suckers keep on coming.
Dory Samuels
Mar 16, 2013, 1:26:54 PM3/16/13
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Good to see your post Ray.
Of course Carnival is cutting corners.......on EVERYTHING. We made a
big mistake taking a 4 day out of our hometown. Horrors, but we knew
better. Then we decided to use our "future cruise" certificate and did
a 7 day. Not quite as bad but bad enough that we said NO MORE to
Carnival. I will say this however, the service was excellent, the crew
really tries.
We leave on the 25th for a cruise on Celebrity equinox. Celebrity never
let us down.
Of course Carnival is cutting corners.......on EVERYTHING. We made a
big mistake taking a 4 day out of our hometown. Horrors, but we knew
better. Then we decided to use our "future cruise" certificate and did
a 7 day. Not quite as bad but bad enough that we said NO MORE to
Carnival. I will say this however, the service was excellent, the crew
really tries.
We leave on the 25th for a cruise on Celebrity equinox. Celebrity never
let us down.
Brian K
Mar 17, 2013, 3:58:58 PM3/17/13
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April to Bermuda. We'll be sailing through the Bermuda Triangle. What
could possibly go wrong? LOL
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wilm...@gmail.com
Mar 18, 2013, 8:40:55 PM3/18/13
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On Sunday, March 17, 2013 12:58:58 PM UTC-7, Brian K wrote:
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>
> My sister is a travel agent. We're going on a free cruise on Carnival in
>
> April to Bermuda. We'll be sailing through the Bermuda Triangle. What
>
> could possibly go wrong? LOL
>
>
>
Free cruise, heh? I've always wondered about those. Don't you have to pay tax on that? Ordinary income? Taxed on the suggested retail price, not heavily discounted price everyone else pays, right? How much do you figure this free trip costs?
>
>
> My sister is a travel agent. We're going on a free cruise on Carnival in
>
> April to Bermuda. We'll be sailing through the Bermuda Triangle. What
>
> could possibly go wrong? LOL
>
>
>
Charles
Mar 18, 2013, 9:13:03 PM3/18/13
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In article <ef9eb132-3fc3-4ecb...@googlegroups.com>,
contest and the cruise tax was based on brochure rate which meant he
ended up paying two thirds as much in taxes that he would have paid if
he had booked the cruise at the actual going fare. He came out a little
ahead. In Brian's case I think it is a gift. She can probably gift him
up to $11,000.
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Charles
<wilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Free cruise, heh? I've always wondered about those. Don't you have to pay
> tax on that? Ordinary income? Taxed on the suggested retail price, not
> heavily discounted price everyone else pays, right? How much do you figure
> this free trip costs?
That would be if the cruise was won in a contest. A coworker won such a
> Free cruise, heh? I've always wondered about those. Don't you have to pay
> tax on that? Ordinary income? Taxed on the suggested retail price, not
> heavily discounted price everyone else pays, right? How much do you figure
> this free trip costs?
contest and the cruise tax was based on brochure rate which meant he
ended up paying two thirds as much in taxes that he would have paid if
he had booked the cruise at the actual going fare. He came out a little
ahead. In Brian's case I think it is a gift. She can probably gift him
up to $11,000.
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Charles
Bill
Mar 18, 2013, 9:26:34 PM3/18/13
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available capacity (which I'm guessing that Carnival has these days, and
will have even more of after the recent events). They end up paying port
charges and taxes and maybe a little more.
I expect this is the angle our recent spammer is exploiting as well.
Bill
Charles
Mar 18, 2013, 10:07:47 PM3/18/13
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In article <5147BECA...@prodigy.net>, Bill <bill...@prodigy.net>
wrote:
> Travel agents can typically sail at deeply discounted prices if there is
> available capacity (which I'm guessing that Carnival has these days, and
> will have even more of after the recent events). They end up paying port
> charges and taxes and maybe a little more.
>
> I expect this is the angle our recent spammer is exploiting as well.
His sister may have been able to book the cabin at a travel agent rate
but I believe that whatever rate she is paying she is gifting him the
cruise. Brian can pipe in he please with actual fact as opposed to my
speculation.
As far as the spammer, what he is offering sounds like a pyramid
scheme. Likely he really does believe it is a business now. That is how
they pass on the scheme up and down the pyramid.... by making the marks
believers who think they are passing on good news.......
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Charles
wrote:
> Travel agents can typically sail at deeply discounted prices if there is
> available capacity (which I'm guessing that Carnival has these days, and
> will have even more of after the recent events). They end up paying port
> charges and taxes and maybe a little more.
>
> I expect this is the angle our recent spammer is exploiting as well.
but I believe that whatever rate she is paying she is gifting him the
cruise. Brian can pipe in he please with actual fact as opposed to my
speculation.
As far as the spammer, what he is offering sounds like a pyramid
scheme. Likely he really does believe it is a business now. That is how
they pass on the scheme up and down the pyramid.... by making the marks
believers who think they are passing on good news.......
--
Charles
Brian
Mar 18, 2013, 10:50:30 PM3/18/13
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On Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:40:55 -0700 (PDT), wilm...@gmail.com wrote:
> Free cruise, heh? I've always wondered about those. Don't you have to pay tax on that? Ordinary income? Taxed on the suggested retail price, not heavily discounted price everyone else pays, right? How much do you figure this free trip costs?
Many years ago my father won a car in a church raffle. It was a nice
> Free cruise, heh? I've always wondered about those. Don't you have to pay tax on that? Ordinary income? Taxed on the suggested retail price, not heavily discounted price everyone else pays, right? How much do you figure this free trip costs?
car but they would have had to pay tax on the list price. They sold
the car and only paid on what they got for it. They had to sell to the
dealer or it would have been taxable. This way, they never took title
to it.
They took the money and paid off years of the mortgage.
Christine Cruiser
Mar 24, 2013, 12:35:36 PM3/24/13
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Ray Goldenberg
Mar 24, 2013, 4:08:16 PM3/24/13
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In article <kin6bo$smm$1...@dont-email.me>,
Does Kohlenberg regularly have to fight lawsuits against him? LOL
Brian K
Mar 31, 2013, 4:07:57 PM3/31/13
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On 3/18/2013 9:13 PM, Charles wrote:
agents and their guests on the cruise. I guess it's kind of a marketing
thing. The only thing we have to pay is excursions, and the usual on
board stuff.
Charles
Mar 31, 2013, 8:01:26 PM3/31/13
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In article <WbidnVPdUP8HCsXM...@earthlink.com>, Brian K
sending a 1099 to the IRS. They are familiarizing sales agents with
their product.
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Charles
<bria...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> On 3/18/2013 9:13 PM, Charles wrote:
> > In article <ef9eb132-3fc3-4ecb...@googlegroups.com>,
> > <wilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Free cruise, heh? I've always wondered about those. Don't you have to pay
> >> tax on that? Ordinary income? Taxed on the suggested retail price, not
> >> heavily discounted price everyone else pays, right? How much do you figure
> >> this free trip costs?
> >
> > That would be if the cruise was won in a contest. A coworker won such a
> > contest and the cruise tax was based on brochure rate which meant he
> > ended up paying two thirds as much in taxes that he would have paid if
> > he had booked the cruise at the actual going fare. He came out a little
> > ahead. In Brian's case I think it is a gift. She can probably gift him
> > up to $11,000.
> >
>
> Carnival is picking up the entire tab because they've invited travel
> agents and their guests on the cruise. I guess it's kind of a marketing
> thing. The only thing we have to pay is excursions, and the usual on
> board stuff.
In that case there would not be any taxes involved. Carnival won't be
> On 3/18/2013 9:13 PM, Charles wrote:
> > In article <ef9eb132-3fc3-4ecb...@googlegroups.com>,
> > <wilm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Free cruise, heh? I've always wondered about those. Don't you have to pay
> >> tax on that? Ordinary income? Taxed on the suggested retail price, not
> >> heavily discounted price everyone else pays, right? How much do you figure
> >> this free trip costs?
> >
> > That would be if the cruise was won in a contest. A coworker won such a
> > contest and the cruise tax was based on brochure rate which meant he
> > ended up paying two thirds as much in taxes that he would have paid if
> > he had booked the cruise at the actual going fare. He came out a little
> > ahead. In Brian's case I think it is a gift. She can probably gift him
> > up to $11,000.
> >
>
> Carnival is picking up the entire tab because they've invited travel
> agents and their guests on the cruise. I guess it's kind of a marketing
> thing. The only thing we have to pay is excursions, and the usual on
> board stuff.
sending a 1099 to the IRS. They are familiarizing sales agents with
their product.
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Charles
Nooffa Subject
Apr 1, 2013, 2:40:47 PM4/1/13
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Nooffa Subject
Apr 1, 2013, 2:41:10 PM4/1/13
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Nooffa Subject
Apr 1, 2013, 2:41:42 PM4/1/13
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Nooffa Subject
Apr 1, 2013, 2:42:38 PM4/1/13
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Orval Fairbairn
Apr 1, 2013, 9:18:05 PM4/1/13
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In article <XnsA195955A7...@69.16.185.250>,
I just read in the Wall Street Journal that they just upped their annual
maintenance budget from $400 million to $800 million, so the answer has
been "yes."
maintenance budget from $400 million to $800 million, so the answer has
been "yes."
Nooffa Subject
Apr 1, 2013, 9:24:04 PM4/1/13
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planning to do several others, and are assuming more of the maintenance
tasks on some of their port facilities to improve guest experiences.
Orval Fairbairn
Apr 1, 2013, 11:11:03 PM4/1/13
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In article <XnsA195D9B9A...@69.16.185.250>,
So they will just let the rest of the fleet deteriorate.
Nooffa Subject
Apr 2, 2013, 8:39:18 AM4/2/13
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Orval Fairbairn <orfai...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> No. It means they just spent $300 Million on rehabbing a ship, are
>> planning to do several others, and are assuming more of the maintenance
>> tasks on some of their port facilities to improve guest experiences.
>
> So they will just let the rest of the fleet deteriorate.
Cute - You kiss your boyfriend with that mouth?
>>
>> No. It means they just spent $300 Million on rehabbing a ship, are
>> planning to do several others, and are assuming more of the maintenance
>> tasks on some of their port facilities to improve guest experiences.
>
> So they will just let the rest of the fleet deteriorate.
Go back to Cruise Critic.
Orval Fairbairn
Apr 2, 2013, 9:51:40 AM4/2/13
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In article <XnsA19658106...@69.16.185.247>,
"Denial" is NOT the longest river in Africa! Personal attacks do not
make your case -- especially when faced with the obvious.
make your case -- especially when faced with the obvious.
Nooffa Subject
Apr 2, 2013, 12:14:55 PM4/2/13
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Orval Fairbairn
Apr 2, 2013, 2:53:37 PM4/2/13
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In article <XnsA1967C9EC...@69.16.185.247>,
One obvious is that Carnival Corp. has been skimping on maintenance for
several years. Another obvious is that you are either in denial over
this or that you have a vested interest in Carnival Corp and that you
have to attack the messenger, rather than address the issue.
No, go crawl back under the rock you came from.
several years. Another obvious is that you are either in denial over
this or that you have a vested interest in Carnival Corp and that you
have to attack the messenger, rather than address the issue.
No, go crawl back under the rock you came from.
Charles
Apr 2, 2013, 8:48:55 PM4/2/13
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In article
<orfairbairn-CF98...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
many incidents. Whether they are skimping, poorly managed, or there is
a design issue they need to spend some of Mickeys billions and fix the
problem.
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Charles
<orfairbairn-CF98...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Orval Fairbairn <orfai...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> One obvious is that Carnival Corp. has been skimping on maintenance for
> several years. Another obvious is that you are either in denial over
> this or that you have a vested interest in Carnival Corp and that you
> have to attack the messenger, rather than address the issue.
>
> No, go crawl back under the rock you came from.
There definitely is something wrong at Carnival. There have been too
> One obvious is that Carnival Corp. has been skimping on maintenance for
> several years. Another obvious is that you are either in denial over
> this or that you have a vested interest in Carnival Corp and that you
> have to attack the messenger, rather than address the issue.
>
> No, go crawl back under the rock you came from.
many incidents. Whether they are skimping, poorly managed, or there is
a design issue they need to spend some of Mickeys billions and fix the
problem.
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Charles
Nooffa Subject
Apr 2, 2013, 9:18:44 PM4/2/13
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Orval Fairbairn <orfai...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> One obvious is that Carnival Corp. has been skimping on maintenance for
> several years. Another obvious is that you are either in denial over
> this or that you have a vested interest in Carnival Corp and that you
> have to attack the messenger, rather than address the issue.
>
> No, go crawl back under the rock you came from.
I thought you were the one to object to personal attacks?
> One obvious is that Carnival Corp. has been skimping on maintenance for
> several years. Another obvious is that you are either in denial over
> this or that you have a vested interest in Carnival Corp and that you
> have to attack the messenger, rather than address the issue.
>
> No, go crawl back under the rock you came from.
The only REAL obvious here is that you have another sagenda in your posts.
Perhaps you work for another cruise line, or perhaps your mother didn't
change your wet nappies often enough. Maybe you just like to show how
intelligent you think you are by putting down a corporation that couldn't
be bothered defending themselves from whiney wimps like yourself. In any
case, you are posting pure speculation based on vaporous evidence.
Nooffa Subject
Apr 2, 2013, 9:23:54 PM4/2/13
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Charles <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
> There definitely is something wrong at Carnival. There have been too
> many incidents. Whether they are skimping, poorly managed, or there is
> a design issue they need to spend some of Mickeys billions and fix the
> problem.
Funny. Of course several of these problems have occurred because Carnival
> There definitely is something wrong at Carnival. There have been too
> many incidents. Whether they are skimping, poorly managed, or there is
> a design issue they need to spend some of Mickeys billions and fix the
> problem.
was testing safety equipment and found it wanting, so they "took the high
road" and canceled or curtailed cruises. And of course no other cruise
lines have had incidents all this time... Or have they? If you did a
little research, you'd find there have bneen several. Recently three ships
came into New York so "sick" they had to be scrubbed from bow to stern
before allowing any passengers aboard. Only one of them was a Carnival
ship. Which one was reported by the press? The press is definitely
"piling On" because it sells commercial time, and is always popular to beat
up on the big guy. And you, my dear friend, are buying it hook, line, and
sinker.
Charles
Apr 2, 2013, 10:15:35 PM4/2/13
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In article <XnsA196D9B29...@69.16.185.247>, Nooffa Subject
I thought the subject said maintenance? Other lines do have incidents
but Carnival has had more of late, and more major ones of late. That is
why they are getting bad press. Testing safety equipment.....LOL
All the while as he did during the Concordia disaster Mickey is
tweeting about the Miami Heat.
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Charles
but Carnival has had more of late, and more major ones of late. That is
why they are getting bad press. Testing safety equipment.....LOL
All the while as he did during the Concordia disaster Mickey is
tweeting about the Miami Heat.
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Charles
Charles
Apr 2, 2013, 10:46:52 PM4/2/13
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Orval Fairbairn <orfai...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> One obvious is that Carnival Corp. has been skimping on maintenance for
> several years.
Well know cruise industry writers also think it is obvious that Carnival
> One obvious is that Carnival Corp. has been skimping on maintenance for
> several years.
has a maintenance problem among other problems.
http://www.petergreenberg.com/2013/04/02/is-carnival-cruise-lines-cutting-corners-the-experts-weigh-in/
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Charles
Orval Fairbairn
Apr 2, 2013, 11:08:50 PM4/2/13
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In article <XnsA196D8D22...@69.16.185.250>,
I notice that you did not address the issue. You resorted to personal
attacks, which violate the rules of information exchange. I responded
with a comment that applies to anyone resorting to unprovoked personal
attacks.
No, I have never worked for nor have investments in any cruise line
companies.
I am just a concerned passenger who has cruised on Carnival (twice),
Holland America (twice), Cunard and Princess. I have seen maintenance
issues within the last two years on Carnival and Holland America, which
implies a problem with their corporate ethic.
Now, the question that you have evaded: Do you, "Nooffa Subject", work
for or have significant (to you) investments in CCL?
attacks, which violate the rules of information exchange. I responded
with a comment that applies to anyone resorting to unprovoked personal
attacks.
No, I have never worked for nor have investments in any cruise line
companies.
I am just a concerned passenger who has cruised on Carnival (twice),
Holland America (twice), Cunard and Princess. I have seen maintenance
issues within the last two years on Carnival and Holland America, which
implies a problem with their corporate ethic.
Now, the question that you have evaded: Do you, "Nooffa Subject", work
for or have significant (to you) investments in CCL?
Ray Goldenberg
Apr 3, 2013, 5:52:08 AM4/3/13
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In article
<orfairbairn-2EAB...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
Watching Chuck argue with himself is hilarious. Looks like the current
meds don't work.
<orfairbairn-2EAB...@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net>,
meds don't work.
John S
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John S
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MrDorisDay
Nooffa Subject
Apr 3, 2013, 2:38:13 PM4/3/13
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Charles <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
> Well know cruise industry writers also think it is obvious that
> Carnival has a maintenance problem among other problems.
Some Cruise writers also believe in Santa Claus.
> Well know cruise industry writers also think it is obvious that
> Carnival has a maintenance problem among other problems.
Brian K
Apr 6, 2013, 2:20:52 PM4/6/13
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