OT...VETERAN'S DAY
Jean O'Boyle
May God bless all men and women who still so
bravely and proudly serve!
In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
--Jean
Island Grampa
"Jean O'Boyle" <job...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Hi Jean
This day has been known in Canada as "Remembrance Day" as long as I can
remember. This poem has been part of the Remembrance day ceremony in
Canadian schools since I was in grade 1 in Alberta.
Here is a link to information about the Author, Lieutenant Colonel John
McCrae, MD, Canadian Army
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/flanders.htm
Tobie>>>>on an Island in the Pacific
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Ike
In any case, our vets deserve our support.
"If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in
English, thank our nation's military."
Ike
Moira Michael wrote:
"We cherish too the Poppy red
That grows on fields where valor led."
And verse four of the poem contains the lines:
And now the torch and poppy red
We wear in honour of our dead."
Jean O'Boyle
"Island Grampa" <chez...@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Hi Tobie,
I was very touched by it when Lola posted it to our GGC site and thought it
worthy to pass it along.(Thanks Lola in Hamilton!)
Very poignant and thank you for providing the author.
--Jean
Surfer E2468
God Bless all our veterans and all service men and women, Very sad about
FT.Hood. He should be strung up
cruise lover(~~~~~)
.
Jean O'Boyle
Hi Annie,
Having been part of the Army community actively for over 30 years, it really
was a very sad day for us all here. I love the military and our military
life and find what happened at Ft. Hood is deplorable. It tore into the
"family fabric" that we share in the military. Just indescribable and it
infuriates me that the government is not treating it as an act of terrorism.
From all that is now coming out, it certainly was. I mean shouting out to
Allah and then gunning down all those troops was premeditated...
poor guys and gals were processing out to or coming back from the
Iraqi/Afghanistan theaters of war and then get shot down at home...I hate
that he is here at BAMC and although he can do nothing to us, it is a
different feeling when entering the hospital here now. Too bad he is going
to be tried by the military courts.
--Jean
"Surfer E2468" <poco...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Marsha
> Hi Annie,
> Having been part of the Army community actively for over 30 years, it really
> was a very sad day for us all here. I love the military and our military
> life and find what happened at Ft. Hood is deplorable. It tore into the
> "family fabric" that we share in the military. Just indescribable and it
> infuriates me that the government is not treating it as an act of terrorism.
> From all that is now coming out, it certainly was. I mean shouting out to
> Allah and then gunning down all those troops was premeditated...
> poor guys and gals were processing out to or coming back from the
> Iraqi/Afghanistan theaters of war and then get shot down at home...I hate
> that he is here at BAMC and although he can do nothing to us, it is a
> different feeling when entering the hospital here now. Too bad he is going
> to be tried by the military courts.
>
> --Jean
The only ones who don't seem to think it was an act of terrorism are the
liberal mainstream media and Obama, who doesn't want anyone to jump to
conclusions, although it was okay for him to do so in another well-known
incident. Even some "columnists" are making excuses for him. There, I
feel better now.
Marsha
Kenn Smith
convinced that it was an act of terrorism and terrorism is generally
understood. When you consider that 5 or the 13 (that's close to 40%) of
the dead were from the same department to which he was assigned it
starts to smell like payback time. When you consider that he walked
past many people just to get to the medical wing of the processing
center without shooting anyone it smells more like payback time. A
teroristic act it was but I'm not convinced that religion was behind it.
So far as the military trying him, I think that's a great thing.
Military justice is usually swift and certain - hold the Article 32
hearing to see if a courts martial is warranted, convene the courts
martial, try and convict/exonerate them and get on with business. Court
martials are usually harsh on ones of their own who have violated the
UCMJ. This one might drag on a lot longer than the usual General Court
but it will get done.
His family has hired a Belton attorney, retired JAG colonel Galligan, as
his lead defense and Fort Hood has assigned the senior JAG defense
counsel to him. Galligan is noted for taking on the defense of accused
solderiers because he views it as a moral and ethical imperative. He
will be fairly represented and tried by a jry of twelve of his peers -
all officers senior to him. Command influence will play no part in the
legal actions - General Cone is far too intelligent to fall into that
trap. Most of the jurors will have one or more advanced degrees and are
skilled analysts of evidence - they have to be to be where they are.
Major Hasan will rightfully be given every constitutional protection
that everyone is entitled to. To do less would lessen the nation; we
don't want to become one of "them".
Don't read this as justifying or condoning his actions. They were
unjustifiable. I only regret that at least one of Sgt. Munley's or Sgt.
Scott's bullets didn't kill the bastard.
Tom K
"Kenn Smith" <grizzl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> He
> will be fairly represented and tried by a jry of twelve of his peers -
> all officers senior to him.
How does a jury of all officers senior to an individual count as a jury of
his peers? Shouldn't they be at his level, or a mix of people at levels
above and below him?
Nonny
>
> How does a jury of all officers senior to an individual count as
> a jury of his peers? Shouldn't they be at his level, or a mix
> of people at levels above and below him?
His PEERS are in a hog lot, rooting around in the mud. They can
hardly be expected to judge him in terms of human civilization or
to be able to even speak.
--
Nonny
You cannot make a stupid kid smart by
handing him a diploma. Schools need standards
to measure the amount of education actually
absorbed by children. Don�t sacrifice the smart
kids to make the dumb ones feel good about themselves.
Jean O'Boyle
"Kenn Smith" <grizzl...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Kenn,
Hasan was a psychiatrist at the hospital.. He was not assigned to the
processing center. When a troop processes, either when returning or
deploying to a new assignment, he/she has to go through a processing center
to get their immunizations, medical screening and medical records updated.
None of the people whose lives he took were his patients. He was not
assigned to their department...they were coming and going..
He cleaned out his apartment days ahead, dressed up in all white garb(videos
show him dressed so at a 7-11 that he went to for coffee) and after his
visit to the mosque where he spent many hours each day praying, he went to
the processing center, and yelled, ``Allahu Akbar!'' before opening fire.
The troops that he shot were those who were either returning from
Iraq/Afghanistan or going there...In his mind, it might have been "pay back"
time because they were either returning from or going to Iran/Afghanistan.
The imam at his place of worship said he was deeply troubled because he had
gotten orders, himself, and did not want to go because of his strong
feelings about Muslims fighting other Muslims.
Military court justice may be swift, but unless the government comes out and
acknowledges it as a terrorist act, it cannot impose the death penalty.
--Jean
Jean O'Boyle
"Nonny" <some...@cox.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>>
>> How does a jury of all officers senior to an individual count as a jury
>> of his peers? Shouldn't they be at his level, or a mix of people at
>> levels above and below him?
>
> His PEERS are in a hog lot, rooting around in the mud. They can hardly be
> expected to judge him in terms of human civilization or to be able to even
> speak.
> --
> Nonny
LOL, Nonny, that might be the best sentence for him...life sentence in a pig
sty...the ultimate punishment with the way they feel about pigs!
--Jean
Thumper
Bullshit. Why not wait till the investigation is over? He could very
well have just gone off his rocker.
Thumper
Kenn Smith
nurse were assigned to the processing center, they were assigned to the
hospital on Fort Hood and working at the processing center. And under
the UCMJ murder is subject to the death penalty.
Tom, in the military rank structure juniors do not sit in judgement of
those senior to them. The defendent can allow juniors on a court
martial panel but I've never heard of that happening. The jury will
most likely be composed of majors and lieutenant colonels with possibly
a full colonel or two. Even the majors will have a date of rank earlier
than Hasan's, thus being senior to him.
Nonny
"Thumper" <jayl...@comcast.net> wrote in message
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Why not wait till the investigation is over? He could very
> well have just gone off his rocker.
> Thumper
I think that can be said for his entire profession.
--
Nonny
You cannot make a stupid kid smart by
handing him a diploma. Schools need standards
to measure the amount of education actually
absorbed by children. Don't sacrifice the smart
Kenn Smith
Paradise what can female martyrs expect? 72 virle young studs? That
could be the _last_ thing they would want. Or are females of such low
status that they can't become martyrs? If that's the case why do they
blow themselves up? Is there some panel sitting at the boarding gate of
Paradise passng judgement - "Yup, you killed enough infidels to qualify"
or "Nope, you're two short of your quota"?
So many questons, so few answers.
Old Sarge
On 11/12/09 7:19 AM, in article
17666-4AF...@storefull-3171.bay.webtv.net, "Kenn Smith"
<grizzl...@webtv.net> wrote:
A jury of HIS PEERS. I'm retired Army and experienced the UCMJ from both
sides of the court room. I live near Ft Leavenworth and I can honestly
attest to the fact and I'll put my life savings on it, that he's convicted
of first degree murder 13 times over and will sit on Ft Leavenworth's death
row for at least 20 years before he's executed. There's seven sitting there
now including the jerk that lobbed a grenade into a tent of officers in
Kuwait. Then there's the other one who's death warrant has already been
signed by Bush and he's awaiting his last appeal I think. Even though the
USDB has their own death chamber, they ship them off to Terra Haute, IN
where Mc Veigh was put to death. I can't understand that reasoning. Obama
said it in public that he will receive just punishment and it just might be
Obama that will sign the death warrant depending on how long the appeals
take. The military hasn't executed anyone since 1961 - hanging at the DB.
Those that were on death row up to a certain date were all commuted to life
and shipped off to Federal prisons.
It's very likely that he will out live some of us here. And I don't see
things like this stopping in the future either. But muslims in our military
shouldn't have to suffer because of a few nut cases. I'll bet DOD is busy
re-screening all military and civilian personnel of the muslim faith, but
they won't say they are. Apparently the old background investigations are
lacking somewhere. When I had mine, I had a few friends call me to inquire
what I did wrong and why the Defense Investigative Service and FBI were
asking them about me, and all for a stinking Secret clearance. This Major
probably had a Top Secret clearance.
A black eye for sure for our military. Damn shame you get shot on the
homefront while waiting to ship out to a real war.
Personally (damn I'm getting very mouthy now), I think we have accomplished
our mission in Iraq and failed in Afghanistan. We got Saddam out, but not
Osama. Pack it in, count our losses, and bring the troops back home.
Rich - SFC E7 Retired, Army
Old Sarge
can be sentenced to death. It doesn't matter if it's a terrorist act or not.
There's at least seven EX military personnel sitting on death row as I type
this and only one is Muslim - the guy that fragged the officers in Kuwait.
The rest are there for other murders. The Uniform Code of Military Justice
is online for all to read, although it's a little rough for civilians to
comprehend the verbage.
Rich, Army Retired
On 11/11/09 10:41 PM, in article hdg3m7$vjv$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
Jean O'Boyle
"Old Sarge" <ri...@richgreene.com> wrote in message
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Rich, you bring back memories of our assignment at Ft. Leavenworth...Wonder
if they still have the prisoners loading the groceries at the
commissary..Lots of prisons there, USDB, the Federal Penitentiary, and the
State Prison up the road in Lansing.
--Jean
Surfer E2468
terrorist in my mind
cruise lover(~~~~~)
.
Surfer E2468
very much if justice will be done,obama will see to that.
They are really white washing this case
cruise lover(~~~~~)
.
Kenn Smith
where Jean got the idea the the death sentence could be imposed only if
he is charged with terrorism. The UCMJ has a long list of crimes
punishable by the death sentece, espionage, cowardice or desertion in
the face of the enemy, rape, premeditated murder, mutiny . . . it's a
pretty extensive list.
Leavenworth is a pretty area. My oldest nephew was on C&GSC faculty
(Chair of the History Department) before assuming garrison command at Ft
Riley. We went up for his change of command and spent a few days at
Leavenworth.
I live just outside of Fort Hood, can hear Bradleys and M1A2s exercising
just across the fence from our local golf course. I'm a retired Air
Force MSGT but, like you, gained a pretty good understanding of the UCMJ
during my time. Self defense :-)
Kenn Smith
like Iraq and Afghanistan. There aren't enough of them on fort to
police the immense area within the fences, thus a very large civilian
police force in place. There are also civilian guards checking identy
at all of the gates, armed guards. Their status doesn't make the fort
less secure.
I think you misunderstand General Cone. He is being very careful to
avoid the appearance of command influence on the composition and outcome
of the forthcoming court martial. That's the kiss of death for any
court martial results and any commander found guilty of it. If you go
back and carefully read any statements put out or public interviews I
think that you will find that all of the principals involved, up to the
Commander in Chief, have condemned the crime without ever mentioning the
name of the accused. No senior officer or official that I know of is
trying to justify the accused inexecusable actions. Any "whitewash"
exists only in your mind.
Jean O'Boyle
> You're absolutely correct, Rich, in both posts. I don't understand
> where Jean got the idea the the death sentence could be imposed only if
> he is charged with terrorism. The UCMJ has a long list of crimes
> punishable by the death sentece, espionage, cowardice or desertion in
> the face of the enemy, rape, premeditated murder, mutiny . . . it's a
> pretty extensive list.
I got it from the news media...after they decided that he would be tried by
a military court. Forget which news broadcast... as there was so much going
on when the news broke, but that is where I got it from.
We are minutes from Fort Sam Houston and BAMC. After 30 years service, my
husband, Ed, retired from his duties as CSM of US Army Medical Command.
--Jean
Old Sarge
On 11/12/09 3:04 PM, in article hdht8t$h2v$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
"Jean O'Boyle" <job...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jean, lots of changes there. The prisoners work in the post cleaners and do
some grounds keeping, but for the most part they are on the farm or in the
joint. They have a real nice NEW DB now and they tore down the old one. I
have about 100 photos of the old DB and the tear down.
As for prisons in the area, they added one more. A CCA (Corrections
Corporation of America) facility where they house men and women waiting for
Federal trials or transportation to a Federal facility. The old Federal
Prison was downgraded to medium security a few years ago and they
transferred the hard timers to other prisons. They are expanding the PX
finally, but that's about all.
Old Sarge
On 11/12/09 3:32 PM, in article
Nice knowing you Kenn. It's always a pleasure to meet another brother that
retired. I would have made E8 if I stayed another year but I got pissed off
and retired. Never looked back, but I do miss it and I know you do too.
Old Sarge
On 11/12/09 3:36 PM, in article
4401-4AF...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net, "Surfer E2468"
<poco...@webtv.net> wrote:
Good question, but I do have an answer for you. Most Military Police units
were deployed after 9-11 along with the other troops. Then the DOD created
another civilian/military police force to take the place of the deployed
MPs. The officer that shot the shooter was one of those as well as the SWAT
and others. With Hood being one of our largest installations, they probably
have a MP Battalion, if not, maybe, just maybe, a Garrison unit for routine
patrol duties, but like you, I didn't see many on TV.
Old Sarge
On 11/12/09 4:11 PM, in article
4397-4AF...@storefull-3172.bay.webtv.net, "Kenn Smith"
<grizzl...@webtv.net> wrote:
Damn Kenn, we even think alike. We are both correct on the MP situation. I
wouldn't want to be one in the middle east as they are mainly used like they
were in Nam, for convoy escort duty.
Kenn Smith
MP Detachment and a large CID presence. They're scattered all over the
globe.
I came out on the '72 E8 list but declined it to retire. I was just
ready to change the direction of my life and I realized that if I
accepted E8 and the service obligation about the time I was ready to do
it again I would come out on the E9 list. Accepting it was like
deciding to go for 30 and I didn't want to do that. I treasured every
day I was in and still miss it to some degree, even after 37 years of
retirement, but still think I made the right decision.
During one crisis, I think it was the Cuban Missile thing, I even called
the AF and said that if they could use an over age in grade MSgt I would
volunteer. They declined with grateful thanks.
Thumper
wrote:
What if he IS insane?
Thumper
Marsha
> What if he IS insane?
> Thumper
He's just as insane as the looney left who want to keep giving excuses
for what happened. Just keep turning a blind eye to this kind of stuff.
Kenn Smith
work for him although I don't know what else his defense can offer up.
He reportedly was pretty well normal (for him) up to the day of the
shootings, functioning at his job. There are indications that he
prepared for this well in advance - it was a planned act, not temporary
insanity. He was sane enough that when he regained consiousness after
the shootings his first request was for a lawyer. Warped? Yes.
Insane? No.
Most temporary insanity/diminished capacity defenses don't work anyway.
Kenn Smith
clearance. Been there, done that. I was NCOIC of a classified
electronics research laboratory, had held the usual Confidentail
clearance for ages, but the Feds turned over every rock in my background
before I got the higher clearance.
That's still better than a friend of mine who is currently the project
director for building F-22 simulators up in Fort Worth. He's a retired
CWO4 counterintel guy who has had Secret and Top Secret clearances for
years. For this job he had to get a compartamentalized clearance, and
he won't even tell me what it is. Took months! I got a call from the
feds asking about my knowledge of him. I was tempted to tell them he is
the biggest drunk I've ever met (he isn't) but I know that the feebs are
seriously short of a sense of humor in that area.
Nonny
> What if he IS insane?
> Thumper
. . .then, he'll surely be elected to the White House or Congress.
Kurt Ullman
Old Sarge <ri...@richgreene.com> wrote:
> Good question, but I do have an answer for you. Most Military Police units
> were deployed after 9-11 along with the other troops. Then the DOD created
> another civilian/military police force to take the place of the deployed
> MPs. The officer that shot the shooter was one of those as well as the SWAT
> and others. With Hood being one of our largest installations, they probably
> have a MP Battalion, if not, maybe, just maybe, a Garrison unit for routine
> patrol duties, but like you, I didn't see many on TV.
But even under "normal" circumstances, the MPs would not have been
standing post at that facility and even they would have had to respond
from wherever. No difference in this instance.
--
To find that place where the rats don't race
and the phones don't ring at all.
If once, you've slept on an island.
Scott Kirby "If once you've slept on an island"
Kurt Ullman
grizzl...@webtv.net (Kenn Smith) wrote:
I had a friend of mine who wasn't all that interested in 72 virgins.
He was of the opinion that they should have offered 72, $2000 a night
Vegas hookers.
Kenn Smith
with a heart condition 71 of them would go to waste. The first one
would probably kill me :-)
Kurt Ullman
grizzl...@webtv.net (Kenn Smith) wrote:
But if you were truly in Paradise, you wouldn't have that problem (g).
Jean O'Boyle
> Jean, lots of changes there. The prisoners work in the post cleaners and
> do
> some grounds keeping, but for the most part they are on the farm or in the
> joint. They have a real nice NEW DB now and they tore down the old one. I
> have about 100 photos of the old DB and the tear down.
>
> As for prisons in the area, they added one more. A CCA (Corrections
> Corporation of America) facility where they house men and women waiting
> for
> Federal trials or transportation to a Federal facility. The old Federal
> Prison was downgraded to medium security a few years ago and they
> transferred the hard timers to other prisons. They are expanding the PX
> finally, but that's about all.
I am sure that I would probably not recognize it for all the changes..we
were assigned there in 1969 when Ed returned from Vietnam and left in 1972.
I worked at Cushing Memorial Hospital for two years. Our quarter's patio
faced the Federal Penitentiary and on weekends and holidays we could hear
the intercom at the penitentiary announcing the arrival of visitors for the
inmates. The prisoners would be out there working on the farm during the
day.
Did they expand the commissary, too? Here at Fort Sam, they are expanding
our commissary and building a new PX, a 981 room Candlewood Suites hotel
complex, a new community shopping center which will include a multiplex
movie theater because of the all the BRAC growth with the arrival of 10,000
more troops. The entire post is humming with new construction of all sorts.
With all the expansions at BAMC, it will not be called BAMC but SAMMC (San
Antonio Military Medical Center) All branches of the service will be
stationed at the once all Army Post. Changes are a coming!
--Jean
Kenn Smith
it will be an Air Force command. All of those billions of dollars for
new construction flow across my oldest nephew's desk. He can tell some
hilarious stories about interservice head butting on things like
dormitory room layout (closets or lockers?) - two three stars had to
settle that one. I imagine that you have driven past the ones under
construction just off the main fire station. Immense doesn't begin to
describe them.
Both of my nephews live in the San Antonio area, one south at Somerset
and the other north of vans. We drive our motor home down three or four
times a year for a family visit and stay at the Fort Sam RV park. Nice
place.
Jean O'Boyle
Kenn,
From what we know so far, it will be a joint command. SAMMC-N (north) known
as BAMC has BG. Caravalho as its CG and SAMMC-S (south) known as WHMC or
Wilford Hall has MG. Travis as its CG. Ft. Sam Houston will remain hosting
the Joint Military Training Center with proposed plans of having a
freestanding clinic to take care of Active Duty Members, their families and
Retirees in order to take the congestion out of the BAMC facility itself.
It will be one huge complex and until its completion, there will be rumors
of all sorts. Ed volunteers at BAMC every Thursday and there is ongoing
information and confusion! ;-)
--Jean
Charles
<job...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I got it from the news media...after they decided that he would be tried by
> a military court. Forget which news broadcast... as there was so much going
> on when the news broke, but that is where I got it from.
You have to take what certain political news media say with a grain of
salt. I won't mention names. He can get the death penalty without it
being labeled terrorism. Regardless of the whether he should get the
death penalty, I do agree with you that Hasan planned and committed a
terrorist attack.
--
Charles
Jack Hamilton
wrote:
>and after his
>visit to the mosque where he spent many hours each day praying, he went to
>the processing center, and yelled, ``Allahu Akbar!'' before opening fire.
Has someone come up with a recording of the event? The last I heard, it
was not certain what he said. If there wasn't either a recording, or
witnesses who speak Arabic, it's not possible to know for sure what he
said.
I think he was clearly nuts, but then that can be said of all mass
murders, so it's not an excuse.
Charles
<j...@acm.org> wrote:
> I think he was clearly nuts, but then that can be said of all mass
> murders, so it's not an excuse.
Also terrorists are often mentally ill so that is not contradictory to
him being a terrorist. It is not an either or. If you read his history
that has been reported it is apparent that the military ignored obvious
signals that he was planning a terrorist attack.
--
Charles
Brian K
how things can spread around the internet. Now, the lawyers defending
the World Trade Center terrorists will cop an insanity plea for their
clients.
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Charles
<brian1...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Oh nertz! You had to equate terrorism with mental illness! You know
> how things can spread around the internet. Now, the lawyers defending
> the World Trade Center terrorists will cop an insanity plea for their
> clients.
I know you are probably trying to make one of your sillies but I did
not equate mental illness with terrorism. I said terrorists often have
mental illness. (And besides those with mental illness are usually not
terrorists.) Terrorism is premeditated action by individuals or groups
who have no faith or lost faith in civilized process of discourse. They
are often people who have lost their mental bearings about right and
wrong means of resolving political or religious differences, who have
become basket cases and can be manipulated by leaders or provocateurs
who won't carry out the acts themselves.
--
Charles
Brian K
to conclusions could generate enough sound bites to make an insanity
defense seem plausible. Although, I don't think any judge with a full
grasp of the law would accept such a defense. (That is except Judge Ito
of the OJ trial notoriety).
Old Sarge
New enlistees don't realize it, but depending on the job they qualified for,
they may not get it if they have bad credit. That's something people going
into the military don't think about. If you have a clearance to read
classified material and have bad credit, you are a candidate to sell that
information for cash. Even if they get the bad credit while serving. One
debt letter to your Commander just may spell doom to your job, and possibly
your career. I still have my clearance form (Yellow) just in case I ever
decide to go for a civilian job that might require a clearance, but I'm
almost 68 and doubt I will. It did come in handy when I requested for a
concealed weapons permit and was almost denied due to my UCMJ run in back in
66.
Old Sarge
On 11/12/09 5:21 PM, in article hdi591$ldp$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
"Jean O'Boyle" <job...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Jean, I might have run into your husband. I retired in 1982, but in 74-76 I
was assigned to USAMEDCOM-K and the 121st Hosp in Seoul. He probably knows a
few folks I knew back then. They were always talking about going to BAMC
following their Korea tour. Must be a choice medical assignment.
Jean O'Boyle
He says that you just missed him, Rich...he was stationed on the DMZ with
the 2nd Med.Bn, 2nd Infantry Div. 1973-74 and after his tour there was
assigned as CSM of Brooke Army Medical Center. BAMC was an assignment that
everyone seemed to want. San Antonio is a lovely city and very military
friendly.
--Jean
Old Sarge
On 11/18/09 5:36 PM, in article he20eh$1gj$1...@news.eternal-september.org,
Tell him that when I was with MEDDAC-K, I was the PSNCO and responsible for
the assignment of ALL enlisted medical personnel that arrived in Korea. A
very powerful position. A lot of Koreans tried to give me bribes to get
stationed in Seoul, but I just put them on the bus for Camp Casey. I wound
up at Camp Casey in 81 and left for retirement in Oct 82. I was with the 2d
AG Company.
My wife and I drove through south Texas a little over a year ago and visited
the installations in and around SA. Yes SA is a beautiful city, but over
crowded for our taste. Even the military community is squashed together
where you can visit every Commissary in the area the same day. I won't
mention the PX's. We were looking to relocate from Kansas. I-35 is just a
half mile from my house in Olathe. We are going to spend some time in New
Braunfels however, since my wife is German, people tell us to check out that
area due to it's diversity. I see Del Webb has a few communities down there
as well.
John Sisker
Therefore, I can relate to the information that has been posted here, and
also feel sadness and concern for what happened at Ft. Hood. While indeed a
very important and timely topic, this obviously has nothing to do with
cruises itself. Yet, that did not stop others from joining in on the
discussion. Now, I am not implying that this is a bad thing, sometimes
certain things just need to be said. Yet, it is quite interesting while
others such as Patrick Eagan will go out of their way to lambast me when
they think one of my posts are slightly off-topic, they said nothing here,
and this is about as off topic as one can get. It is indeed baffling how
some will pick their battles and why, and how they obviously have double
standards - it's an alright type of thing for some, but not for others. Can
you spell hypocrite!
John
Patrick Eagan
SNIP
> Yet, it is quite
> interesting while others such as Patrick Eagan will go out of their way
> to lambast me when they think one of my posts are slightly off-topic,
>
> John
John, don't be such a goddamn jerk.
Patrick
Tom K
"John Sisker" <jsi...@sprynet.com> wrote in message
news:PuidnSlryfegHZvW...@earthlink.com...
>I for one am a Veteran, having served in the Navy during the Viet Nam era.
>Therefore, I can relate to the information that has been posted here, and
>also feel sadness and concern for what happened at Ft. Hood. While indeed a
>very important and timely topic, this obviously has nothing to do with
>cruises itself. Yet, that did not stop others from joining in on the
>discussion. Now, I am not implying that this is a bad thing, sometimes
>certain things just need to be said. Yet, it is quite interesting while
>others such as Patrick Eagan will go out of their way to lambast me when
>they think one of my posts are slightly off-topic, they said nothing here,
>and this is about as off topic as one can get.
John, quite simply, people don't mind having an off topic discussion, but
they view spamadvertising (posting of press releases just to get one's
agency name out there) by you and Ray as "pushing the envelope" so when you
take that slightly off topic, or completely off topic, it's viewed very
differently than an off topic discussion where someone isn't in it for the
money. Even if spamadvertising by posting press releases is within the
charter, it is financially motivated, and it's still spam. It's trolling
for business regardless of how you want to dress it up. You can put
lipstick and heels on it, but it's still spam. So it will forever be viewed
differently than general discussions that aren't financially motivated.
--Tom
John Sisker
news:4b06f2da$0$5013$607e...@cv.net...
Tom,
I do appreciate you taking the time in explaining the situation as you see
it. Even though this is still somewhat subjective, it is interesting that
many others are so quick to judge, but very few have ever bothered to
explain as to why, as you have. Unfortunately, this still have a lot to do
with a "who's who" scenario. For example and as I have said before, this is
the most monitored unmonitored newsgroup I have ever seen. Likewise, the
Charter itself is obviously open to interpretation, which unfortunately in
many cases just boils down to a... "do as I say, not a do as I do" type of
thing.
Since you mentioned 'press releases', some without a doubt simply interpret
this as spamming and/or advertising, just because our signature line is
included, which by the way, is allowed. Ray has been doing this for years, I
just followed suite. But even you have to admit, some think it is okay for
Ray to do so, but not for me. And besides in the past, I voluntary agreed
not to include any signature line in press releases at all, as long as Ray,
George and a few others followed suit. Since I was to only one doing so for
months, I finally saw the handwriting on the wall, and simply started
including my signature line as before. I am not about to beat my head
against the wall for a lost cause of double-standards.
Likewise, in many cases, and unlike Ray, I have not used any signature line
at all when responding to someone, yet am still accused on spamming,
advertising and/or trolling anyway. The bottom line is, no matter what I do,
or even say in many cases, someone is obviously out to take issue with it -
almost to the point of some just wanting to pick a fight. I even had Ray
himself send me private e-mails, with the full Charter, when even he thinks
I have overstepped the bounds of advertising. Furthermore, I constantly get
e-mails from him if he feels he posted something first, as if this really
was an issue in the real scheme of things. Talk about your double standards.
Yet, this does not address the real issue of off-topic posts. I used this
Veterans Day post as only one example, but could just as easily listed many
others as well. The point is, it seems immaterial whether I include a
signature line or not, have a definite on-topic subject or one slightly
skirting the edges, someone will be looking to take issue with it. If I let
this kind of double-standard tactics influence what I need to decide for
myself, I would have been gone from this newsgroup long ago. While some are
obviously hoping this will be the case, that is not going to happen. I'm
sorry if they don't like something I do or say, but until one set or rules
are enforced and applied evenly, they will just have to get over it.
John
Dillon Pyron
>I for one am a Veteran, having served in the Navy during the Viet Nam era.
Thank you John. Volunteered, drafted, doesn't matter.
--
- dillon I am not invalid
"Get a shot off fast. This upsets him long enough to
let you make your second shot perfect."
-- Lazurus Long
John Sisker
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> [Default] Thus spake "John Sisker" <jsi...@sprynet.com>:
>
>>I for one am a Veteran, having served in the Navy during the Viet Nam era.
>
> Thank you John. Volunteered, drafted, doesn't matter.
Dillon,
Just for reference and what it is worth, I volunteered. Back then, during
the draft, the only way to get in the Navy was to volunteer - no one was
drafted into the Navy. In fact, even my college grade point average and IQ
had to meet a bit higher standard just to get into the Naval Air wing of the
Navy, which some like to call Airdale. My first duty was at Miramar Naval
Air Station in California, which today, in now a Marine base. Of course my
military tour of duty has long since ended, so my current tour is really
cruise ships. Obviously, that's the difference between night and day.
John
Old Sarge
On 11/21/09 10:06 AM, in article
ZtadnVTkJ_adjZXW...@earthlink.com, "John Sisker"
<jsi...@sprynet.com> wrote:
I think most people have chilled out about off topic postings, but then
again I suppose it depends on what the off topic discussion is all about.
Hardly anyone steps on the toes of veterans discussing military topics. When
the Usenet was just going public, a lot of people appointed themselves as
newsgroup monitors or newsgroup police and would jump on anyone posting
something THEY felt was off topic for the group. As time went by and people
basically ignored these people, people found their filters and started using
them so they wouldn't have to wade through a bunch of off topic stuff to get
to the real stuff. About 13 or so years ago I started a newsgroup called
alt.military.retired. It's still very active. At first a few hardliners
would chastise those that posted off topic and I would jump in as the
newsgroup creator and say the Charter doesn't prohibit certain off topic
postings and to consider the newsgroup a generalized chat area for all
military retirees. Then the spam started and people started leaving. I
proposed we start a moderated newsgroup to weed out the spam and most were
opposed to it, calling it being censored. Therefore, on any given day, that
newsgroup will have both spam and off topic postings. We just wade through
the garbage, which should be done here.
The military topic here just went haywire as we started going back and
forth. I haven't seen anyone yet complain about it. They probably figure it
will burn itself out soon, which it will. As for putting you business in
your tag line, I see nothing wrong with that, in fact, it's nice to know who
the real travel agents are here since they usually have the right answers to
the many questions people have about cruising. People need to get a life
and move on and quit being so nit picky about the small things in life and
start worrying about larger issues. Ray has been here a very long time and
in fact he's one of the few I recognize everytime I log in here. I may even
one day book a cruise through Ray, who knows. I couldn't do that if I
didn't know he was an Agent. And I like his up to date news releases.
Out here.