RE: Smoking on cruise ships
Ray Kloc
about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but the non
smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow more smoking
.
What would you say to someone who smoked , and complained that on a Disney
cruise he couldn't smoke in his cabin , or balcony , or anywhere inside the
ship ? You'd probably say he was foolish to go on a Disney cruise ,. and you
would be right .
What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that
because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things
should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be able
to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to tolerate
any incontinence caused by non smoking rules . You'd probably say they were
selfish and inconsiderate , and you'd be right .
By the same token , a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking ,
and then complains that people are smoking on that cruise , is pretty
foolish .And a non smoker who chooses a cruise that allows smoking and then
thinks they shouldn't have to tolerate any incontinence caused by smoking ,
or avoiding it , is inconsiderate as well .
It's funny , but it seems people who smoke don't often choose non smoking
cruises , and that seems so much smarter than the non smokers who put
themselves in a smoking environment that they know in advance they are
going to hate.
I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be about
second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else that's
offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! It's really
pretty simple as far as I can tell ...... if you hate the smoking so much
just cruise on ships that limit it or don't allow it at all . If you DO
choose to cruise on a ship that allows smoking on the balconies , or in the
casino , on the decks , in the bars , ect ... than don't complain about it ,
as that sounds incredibly selfish to me. After all , the very people you
are complaining about were smart enough to choose a ship that allows them to
smoke , why shouldn't they smoke if they want to ?
By the way , I don't like a lot of smoke myself , and avoid places that are
loaded with it , like bars and clubs . I don't mind a little , have no
problem with being around some smoke outside or in a ventilated area , and a
senior smoking a cigar wouldn't bother me very much , especially if it was
outside.
John Sisker
I'm kind of with you. Both my wife Deborah and I don't smoke, and the
second-hand smoke from smokers does bother us. However, we certainly don't
want to take that right away from the smokers as long as they are in the
designated or "smoking" areas.We certainly don't have a problem moving to an
areas outside of even second-hand smoke influence. The problem does arise
thought, that while one area may be smoking and another non-smoking, smoke
doesn't recognize an imaginary line in a public room.
Naturally, we can personally seek a ship that does not allow smoking, but
that does at times become problematic, putting the burden and responsibility
back on us, thus missing out on ships and/or destination that may be of
interest to us. Yet, as said, most of the time, we have no problem simply
seeking non-smoking areas on the ship.
The problems does arise with smokers who just don't care, feeling their
right to smoke supersedes the health and safety of others. As an example, we
live close to (16 miles) the Disneyland Resort in California, and naturally
go there all are the time with our annual passes. Both theme parks
(Disneyland & Disney's California Adventure) has designated smoking area
with smoking banned everywhere else within these parks. Yet, in spite of
this, there are many smokers who will light up when and where they fell like
it - totally oblivious or non-caring about anyone else. Disney has a polite
approach when handling a situation such as this, reminding guests that there
are actual designated smoking areas.
On a cruise ship, personally I would not be so tolerant. If a smoker is
violating any no-smoking in select area rules, upon the second warning, they
would be asked to leave the ship at the next port. To me, if they can't
follow the rules, why should the rest of us suffer?
Yet, from an actual booking of clients aspects, this can be resolved by
asking questions, along with the proper screening and right recommendations
to clients to begin with.
Happy sailing,
John Sisker, SHIP-TO-SHORE CRUISE AGENCY (sm)
(714) 536-3850 or toll free at (800) 724-6644 & (Agency ID: 714.536.3850)
www.shiptoshorecruise.com
"Ray Kloc" <raymo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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alnmel
> snipped the funny and oh-so-logical stuff
What a funny and logical way to counter the avid anti-smokers. My
husband and I quite smoking a couple years ago and the only time we
have problems with smoke is when it's concentrated and there's no
ventilation. We had that same problem before we quit though, so I'm
proud to say that I'm not one of those ex-smokers who has now gone on
a vendetta to educate the world ;) When smokers come to my home I
put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have
used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside
(children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they
smoke inside.
All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both
on and off ships.
Nonnymus
you would be right .
>>
>> What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued
>> that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else ,
>> things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they
>> should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be
>> expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules .
I wasn't aware of this side effect.
-
Nonny
Nonnymus
A penny saved is obviously a
government oversight.
Ray
. Thats rude and inconsiderate . You seem to have a reasonable attitude
regarding taking a cruise on a smoking ship , although I'm not sure what you
mean by the burden and responsibility being put back on you . I think it IS
yours , mine , and everyone else's responsibility to consider all the facts
and make choices accordingly , and be prepared to live with those choices .
Not just on picking a cruise , but in life in general . There are always
trade offs , and this isn't really any different . I rarely find myself in a
perfect situation , but usually make the best choice for myself by weighing
the pro's and con's. So..if someone prefers the itinerary of a cruise on a
smoking ship , is it worth putting up with people smoking ? For those that
say it's not worth it , find another cruise on a ship better suited for you.
I don't think anyone , smokers or non smokers , have the right to expect to
have their cake , and eat it , too .
I think for most people , it's not much of a problem . I cruise with a large
group sometimes , with both smokers and non smokers , and I haven't seen
this be an issue with anyone . I'm sure most smokers would prefer to be able
to smoke ANYWHERE , and most non smokers would prefer that they smoked
NOWHERE , but everyone can accept the compromises most cruise lines have
adopted and we all are reasonably happy .
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Ray
you can tell what I meant !
"Nonnymus" <nob...@cox.net> wrote in message
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Jean O'Boyle
> you would be right .
>>>
>>> What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued that
>>> because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else , things
>>> should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they should be
>>> able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be expected to
>>> tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules .
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I wasn't aware of this side effect.
Nonny,
The ship stores need to be alerted to start stocking Depends, now! ;-P
--Jean
Ray
home , but have a deck or porch that people are more than welcome to smoke
on. However , most people that smoke , at least where I live , don't usually
even smoke inside their own homes very often. I think it would be considered
rude to light up in a house or car with other people around , unless of
course someone like you made the smoker feel it would not be offensive.
"alnmel" <alnme...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Nonnymus
> John Sisker wrote:
> you would be right .
>>>
>>> What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued
>>> that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else ,
>>> things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they
>>> should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be
>>> expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules .
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I wasn't aware of this side effect.
>
FWIW, when the newsreader reposted the quote, the underlining of John's
word, "Incontinence" was misplaced. My comment was to underscore John's
humorous misuse of the English language.
--
Nonnymus
When smokers come to my home I
> put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have
> used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside
> (children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they
> smoke inside.
>
> All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both
> on and off ships.
Exactly, Ray. We have smokers coming to visit next week. They
understand that we don't smoke inside the house or auto here, and
they're quite considerate. I have an ashtray I borrowed from a local
eatery <grin> and keep it outside on the picnic table. The smoke smell
inside the house is limited to what might cling to clothing, and we can
live with that. We enjoy our guests and wouldn't think of prohibiting
something that they need for their own psychological or physiological
comfort, so long as it doesn't impinge on our own desire for a smoke
free house and auto.
When we moved to our home in another state during the late 1980's, we
decided that the house would be smoke free. Both Mrs. Nonny and I had
stopped smoking, and while our kids would sneak a cigarette, they kept
the practice to the outside of the house. Smoking was a bit more common
then, so I placed a 3" no smoking symbol beside the exterior doors as a
reminder to people we preferred no smoking inside the house. . . and
also placed several ashtrays outside on the deck and by the back door.
Outside of Mrs. Nonny's sister, who was very ill, smoking with our
consent in her room of our house, we never had anyone, ever, smoke
inside. That has continued to this day in our home here in Las Vegas.
Even our kids, who both smoked and have now also quit, went outdoors to
smoke because of our quiet request that the house not smell like smoke.
I guess that there's a difference between the kind of people you invite
to your house and the broader spectrum you encounter on a cruise or in
any other group. When we hosted a GGC party in 2000 for George Leppla,
we had about 50 people in the house, on the deck and around the yard.
A number WERE smokers, but nothing was ever said about smoking. The
smokers went outside to the ashtrays provided on the rear deck to smoke,
and that worked for everybody. It's just a case of good people being
together with other good people and having a good time. Had somebody
lit one up inside our house, I'd have not said anything, but then it was
a moot point, wasn't it?
John Sisker
smokers on that cruise, and ...", but I hope that statement is not being
attributed to me, for I am not the one who said it. Yet, to add to this
conservation a bit, we too do not allow smoking in our house. Our guests
simply step outside if they want to smoke. Occasionally, a problem does
arise with those who stand right at our screen door smoking, trying to hold
a conservation with those inside, yet letting a lot of the smoke in the
house anyway. We even know of one person who will smoke inside the house
anyway if we have to step out, trying to cover up the smell with air
freshener, then simply denying that they smoked inside.
Yet, on a ship, and as I already said, most of the time, we have no problem
simply seeking non-smoking areas on the ship. We don't look for non-smoking
ships, simply destinations and itineraries.
Happy sailing,
John Sisker, SHIP-TO-SHORE CRUISE AGENCY (sm)
(714) 536-3850 or toll free at (800) 724-6644 & (Agency ID: 714.536.3850)
www.shiptoshorecruise.com
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Jack Hamilton
Especially the black varity for the formal dinners.
Boomer
"Ray Kloc" <raymo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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We've all the arguments from both sides many times.
#1 Sure I can choose a non smoking cruise line so you wouldn't hear my
complaints but there aren't that many that serve my needs. (or price range)
#2 The way you phrase it the non smokers should just leave things the way
they are since it serves your smoking habits. If that were the case, we'd be
back to allowing smoking in the dr's & show lounges once again.
#3 "I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be
about
second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else that's
offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! "
That's a good one- I can learn a lot from someone who is to foolish to see
the health warnings about smoking and then have the nerve to subject us non
smokers to your addictive smoke.
It's logic like yours that has led to the backlash of the non smoking public
& will continue to escalate even more so in the future. (hopefully aboard
cruise ships)
Keep filling in the comment cards.
Ray Kloc
After reading your post , I can see that there probably is no reasoning
with you , but I'll try this once .
- > #1 Sure I can choose a non smoking cruise line so you wouldn't hear my
> complaints but there aren't that many that serve my needs. (or price range
Well , it's unfortunate that you can't find a cruise that you like that
doesn't allow smoking . But you are making your problem everyone else's .
It's pretty self centered to expect the world to change just to suit your
needs or price range. If a ship allows smoking , smokers will smoke , and
it's not their problem if you don't like it . They probably took that same
cruise BECAUSE they could smoke , and they have every right to. If you don't
like it , too bad , you knew what you were getting into when you booked it.
> #2 The way you phrase it the non smokers should just leave things the way
> they are since it serves your smoking habits. If that were the case, we'd
> be back to allowing smoking in the dr's & show lounges once again.
No... if you don't like the way things are , complain to the cruise lines ,
or boycott those that allow smoking , or do something positive to change the
situation . But as long as a cruise line allows smoking , you have no
complaint with the people who smoke, unless they are smoking in area's that
are supposed to be smoke free. Specifically , I am referring to smoking on
balconies , as that was the topic when I began posting on this thread. And ,
by the way , the way things are doesn't serve a smokers smoking habits .
Freedom to smoke anywhere , anytime would serve the smokers. Complete non
smoking would serve the non smokers . The way things are is a compromise of
the two extremes . Apparently , as I haven't read any complaints from
smokers about not being able to smoke anywhere they wanted , smokers are
far more reasonable and willing to compromise than you are , or , in other
words , much less self centered .
> #3 "I think that anyone who is as passionate as some of you seem to be
> about
> second hand smoke - the smell , the health risks , and anything else
> that's
> offensive to them - can learn a lot from those that smoke ! "
> That's a good one- I can learn a lot from someone who is to foolish to see
> the health warnings about smoking and then have the nerve to subject us
> non smokers to your addictive smoke
This one is really the kicker , and it says a lot about you . While I think
most people will agree smoking is a pretty foolish thing to do , smokers
choose to do it because they want to . Foolish or not , they apparently are
willing to take whatever risk may be involved because they enjoy smoking.
And , because they enjoy smoking , most don't cruise on ships that don't
allow them to smoke.
You , on the other hand , don't enjoy smoking and aren't willing to take
whatever risks are involved with it . Thats not foolish at all ..in fact
it's smart.. But then you go and willingly put yourself in a smoking
situation, one you don't like and feel is a health risk ! That is incredibly
stupid . Nobody is subjecting you to anything , you are subjecting yourself
to it , and then blaming others for doing it to you.
Yes, you can learn a lot a lot from the smokers , or anyone else that has
the least little bit of common sense. Try putting yourself in situations
you like rather than ones you don't like . If smoke bothers you , don't go
on cruises that people will be smoking on . You make your own choices , and
if you keep making the same choice over and over and it's a bad one , you
have nobody but yourself to blame , and I sure don't feel sorry for you,
although I imagine your life might be very frustrating.
The smokers put themselves in a situation that they want to be in , and most
likely enjoy their cruise much more than you do, who puts yourself in a
situation you DON'T like or want to be in . I think you can learn a lot from
them.
"Boomer" <nos...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Chrissy Cruiser
> When smokers come to my home I
> put out an ashtray, and I'm happy to say that in all cases people have
> used excellent judgement as to when it's appropriate to go outside
> (children or people with respiratory illnesses around), or when they
> smoke inside.
>
> All in all I find smokers to be extremely considerate these days, both
> on and off ships.
You never clued in, did you? This smoking inside, you do realize that it is
a killer to non-smokers? And to you?
Have you no nose for the stench? Obviously not or is it that you still "get
off" on the nicotine fix you get when smokers choose to smoke in your home.
Why are kids exempt but you and other adults are not?
Chrissy Cruiser
> It's pretty self centered to expect the world to change just to suit your
> needs or price range. If a ship allows smoking , smokers will smoke , and
> it's not their problem if you don't like it . They probably took that same
> cruise BECAUSE they could smoke , and they have every right to. If you don't
> like it , too bad , you knew what you were getting into when you booked it.
Fully agree, if you cruise you will have to put up with the Killer Smokers.
From that point on. you are off the charts. Yes, let the killers have their
self-indulgences because they have the right to kill. It's the cruise lie
and non smokers faults, no way the killers can have any fault, they are
well within their tights to kill all of us.
ExcuseFuckingMe.
> No... if you don't like the way things are , complain to the cruise lines ,
> or boycott those that allow smoking , or do something positive to change the
> situation . But as long as a cruise line allows smoking , you have no
> complaint with the people who smoke, unless they are smoking in area's that
> are supposed to be smoke free.
Bullshit. I have every right to complain and if I don't, will the policies
ever change?
> Specifically , I am referring to smoking on
> balconies , as that was the topic when I began posting on this thread.
Smoking on cruise ships...
> And ,
> by the way , the way things are doesn't serve a smokers smoking habits .
> Freedom to smoke anywhere , anytime would serve the smokers. Complete non
> smoking would serve the non smokers . The way things are is a compromise of
> the two extremes .
LOL
"Killers allowed rights", EXTRA EXTRA !!!
> Apparently , as I haven't read any complaints from
> smokers about not being able to smoke anywhere they wanted , smokers are
> far more reasonable and willing to compromise than you are , or , in other
> words , much less self centered .
"As I lay there under my oxygen tent, gasping for my last, blue breath, I
say to myself "If I had only been less self-centered"..
<snipped remainder of BS>
You Killers are all alike, you simply will not come to the realization that
you are responsible for millions of deaths every year.
You are Killers. Period. And scum.
Charles
<raymo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The smokers put themselves in a situation that they want to be in , and most
> likely enjoy their cruise much more than you do, who puts yourself in a
> situation you DON'T like or want to be in . I think you can learn a lot from
> them.
Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for three months now
because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung capacity from
years of smoking. Possibly he will never be back to work. Although I
feel bad he is ill I don't feel bad about taking his job since he put
himself in that situation. I don't think he is enjoying himself now.
Smoking is a drug addiction and health problem that is not a situation
that I would ever want to be in. I learned that years ago seeing family
and friends and co-workers suffer and die from lung cancer and disease.
--
Charles
clint
emphyseima, and never smoked a day in her life....goes to show you!
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Cruise Crazy
You may even grow to love them.
~~DORIS~~
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Chrissy Cruiser
> In article <%fqAj.61800$Pv2....@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>, Ray Kloc
> <raymo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> The smokers put themselves in a situation that they want to be in , and most
>> likely enjoy their cruise much more than you do, who puts yourself in a
>> situation you DON'T like or want to be in . I think you can learn a lot from
>> them.
>
> Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for three months now
> because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung capacity from
> years of smoking. Possibly he will never be back to work. Although I
> feel bad he is ill I don't feel bad about taking his job since he put
> himself in that situation.
What a cold-hearted cruel bastard you are.
Boomer
I'm sure your comments will make all the non smokers much happier as they
sit on their balconies breathing in your fumes. After all, you have the
right to since there are no regulations against it.
Charles
Crazy <Dor...@webtv.net> wrote:
> My solution to non smokers who don't like smokers is to BUY ALTRA stock.
> You may even grow to love them.
You inhale too many fumes? You can't even spell the name of the
criminal company you are touting.
--
Charles
Tom K
"Chrissy Cruiser" <chrissy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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But we still like him...
--Tom
Charles
<tkan...@optonline.net> wrote:
"Chrissy" the psychopath troll says I am cold-hearted. LOL
I was being dramatic to make a point, which is true from what I have
seen from friends, family and co-workers who smoke, that the enjoyment
smokers get from their drug high is ruining their health over the
years. They die early or get disabled and can't work like my co-worker.
They suffer and their family suffers. I don't think that kind of
enjoyment is worth it.
--
Charles
Cruise Crazy
typo. it should have been Altria. The dividends help pay for our
cruises. Neither I nor my husband are smokers.
Charles
Crazy <Dor...@webtv.net> wrote:
> You are right as usual Charles. Thanks for correcting me on the serious
> typo. it should have been Altria. The dividends help pay for our
> cruises. Neither I nor my husband are smokers.
I have some mutual funds that probably have some of their stock and
other companies that I personally don't care much for. In the real
world you can't avoid smokers or bad companies. I tend to be hard,
somewhat bitter, on the tobacco question because my father was a heavy
smoker which ruined his health, including having lung cancer and heart
problems. Also I had to work for several years a while ago in an
environment with a lot of second hand smoke. I noticed a difference in
my own health after the work place became smoke free.
I read a few weeks that Altria intends to spin off it's tobacco assets.
--
Charles
clint
are both seniors)
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Harry Cooper
tobacco? More to the point, what will we non-smokers be hit with to replace
those funds should smoking stop. We may be better off standing upwind of
the "sinners". I worry that we are bitching ourselves out of billions of
dollars that others willingly spend.
Harry Cooper
"Charles" <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <27066-47D...@storefull-3137.bay.webtv.net>, Cruise
> Crazy <Dor...@webtv.net> wrote:
>
>> You are right as usual Charles. Thanks for correcting me on the serious
>> typo. it should have been Altria.
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"Harry Cooper" <h...@seehorsevideo.com> wrote:
It is sizeable as taxing tobacco products has been an easy target. And
you know politicians don't like losing tax revenues. If all tobacco
users in the US quit today, you can bet your butt that some new taxes
would be talked about in a hurry.
J Carnaghie
clint wrote:
> My cow has empiesemia, never smoked, the MDs think it's probably heretic(we
> are both seniors)
SNIP
Dear Clint,
I hope you mean that is inherited (i.e.
genetic) because "heretic" is anyone who does not
conform. I guess we are both in that later class LOL.
By the way, my Dad was a 2 pack a day Lucky
Strike smoker and stopped "Cold Turkey" one day.
He carried a pack with him for two years after
that and never restarted. When he stopped he said
they were giving him a headache! It was a most
welcome change for all of us.
Cheers,
John in LALALand (80 F today with SUN!)
Chrissy Cruiser
> It is sizeable as taxing tobacco products has been an easy target. And
> you know politicians don't like losing tax revenues. If all tobacco
> users in the US quit today, you can bet your butt that some new taxes
> would be talked about in a hurry.
So tax revenues outweigh medical costs?
--
Charles of RTC said: "Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for three
months now because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung capacity
from years of smoking. Although I feel bad he is ill I don't feel bad about
taking his job since he put himself in that situation." Signed Charles The
Cold Hearted Bastard
Chrissy Cruiser
> I was being dramatic to make a point, which is true from what I have
> seen from friends, family and co-workers who smoke, that the enjoyment
> smokers get from their drug high is ruining their health over the
> years. They die early or get disabled and can't work like my co-worker.
> They suffer and their family suffers. I don't think that kind of
> enjoyment is worth it.
>
> --
> Charles
Bullshit, you posted your heart and now, like the hypocrite you are, you're
back pedaling so fast your eyeballs are hanging out in front of you.
I stand for what I say regardless, Chuck, so its the ppls call, hypocrite
or hardmouthed. Makes no nevermind to me.
Oh, and you're killfile is busted again.
Liar.
--
Charles of RTC said: "Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for three
months now because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung capacity
Chrissy Cruiser
> By the way, my Dad was a 2 pack a day Lucky
> Strike smoker and stopped "Cold Turkey" one day.
> He carried a pack with him for two years after
> that and never restarted.
wow congrats to him.
--
Charles of RTC said: "Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for three
months now
because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung capacity from years of
smoking.
Although I feel bad he is ill I don't feel bad about taking his job since
Chrissy Cruiser
> Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for three months now
> because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung capacity from
> years of smoking. Possibly he will never be back to work. Although I
> feel bad he is ill I don't feel bad about taking his job since he put
> himself in that situation.
Dumbass, self-revealing Post Of The Decade.
Surfer E2468
smokes,they put our sons heart attacks,and strokes down to his burning
the candle at both ends as the saying goes,working 18 hours a day 7 days
a week,smoking almost 2 cartons of cigaretts a week ,and drinking a case
of beer a week. So now we have to cope
with his not being with us.
surfer e2468
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cruise lover>
Lloyd Parsons
Chrissy Cruiser <chrissy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:16:21 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> > It is sizeable as taxing tobacco products has been an easy target. And
> > you know politicians don't like losing tax revenues. If all tobacco
> > users in the US quit today, you can bet your butt that some new taxes
> > would be talked about in a hurry.
>
> So tax revenues outweigh medical costs?
Yeah, those medical costs that go up and up every day, and still would
with or without smokers to blame for it, or bad drivers, or drunks or
maybe fat asses or a whole slew of other reasons.
But if the smokers are contributing $1B in taxes today, when the smoke
cops get finished, all of you that don't smoke will get to pay that.
You don't really think a politician ever gets enough money do you?
Brian
wrote:
>I'm in perfect health, been a smoker all my life, but the cow has
>emphyseima, and never smoked a day in her life....goes to show you!
Familiar with the Bell Curve?
Jean O'Boyle
Tom,
Charles' posts may come across as hard hearted but those of us who really
know him and have been on cruises and attended luncheons with him know him
as a sensitive and caring person. He is one of the nicest people I know....I
used to tease him about his "growling" before we even met! ;-)
--Jean
Tom K
"clint" <boc...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:QvzAj.493$9O....@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> I'm in perfect health, been a smoker all my life, but the cow has
> emphyseima, and never smoked a day in her life....goes to show you!
Yeah.... it shows that your second hand smoke gave your wife emphysema...
Dillon Pyron
>This is a very interesting topic ! Not too many smokers seem to have a gripe
>about the rules on the non or limited smoking cruise lines , but the non
>smokers sure seem to have a problem with those lines that allow more smoking
>.
Ray, I've snipped the rest of your post, but I think people should go
read it.
Two weeks ago I took chest x-rays of a man. He was missing his right
lower lobe and had dozens of lesions. Then I looked at his chart.
Stage IV. And he wanted a smoke, but the hospital is 100% smoke free,
including the grounds.
But I'm totally against scare tactics. They just don't work. If they
did, teens would be great drivers. (Remeber the movies we all saw
during driver's ed, from a different state?)
Dillon Pyron
>John Sisker wrote:
> you would be right .
>>>
>>> What if there were several smokerson that cruise , and they argued
>>> that because they paid just as much for the cruise as everyone else ,
>>> things should be how THEY wanted regardless of the rules, and they
>>> should be able to smoke where ever they happened to be , shouldn't be
>>> expected to tolerate any incontinence caused by non smoking rules .
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>I wasn't aware of this side effect.
No shit! Or maybe some.
>
>-
>Nonny
>
>Nonnymus
>A penny saved is obviously a
>government oversight.
sue mullen
I have to second what Jean said!!
Now that we know him, we tease his about his "meditating".LOL
sue
Cruise Crazy
subsides.
Chrissy Cruiser
>> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:16:21 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>>
>>> It is sizeable as taxing tobacco products has been an easy target. And
>>> you know politicians don't like losing tax revenues. If all tobacco
>>> users in the US quit today, you can bet your butt that some new taxes
>>> would be talked about in a hurry.
>>
>> So tax revenues outweigh medical costs?
>
> Yeah, those medical costs that go up and up every day, and still would
> with or without smokers to blame for it, or bad drivers, or drunks or
> maybe fat asses or a whole slew of other reasons.
Rant over?
> But if the smokers are contributing $1B in taxes today, when the smoke
> cops get finished, all of you that don't smoke will get to pay that.
Not if smoking is curbed.
> You don't really think a politician ever gets enough money do you?
I could care less. There is something inately insidious about (national)
politicians anyway.
Chrissy Cruiser
>>>> Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for three months now
>>>> because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung capacity from
>>>> years of smoking. Possibly he will never be back to work. Although I
>>>> feel bad he is ill I don't feel bad about taking his job since he put
>>>> himself in that situation.
>>>
>>> What a cold-hearted cruel bastard you are, Charles.
>>
>> But we still like him...
>> --Tom
>
> Tom,
> Charles' posts may come across as hard hearted but those of us who really
> know him and have been on cruises and attended luncheons with him know him
> as a sensitive and caring person. He is one of the nicest people I know....I
> used to tease him about his "growling" before we even met! ;-)
>
> --Jean
"Adolf's' speeches may come across as hard hearted but those of us who
really know him and have been on the Danube and attended luncheons with him
know him as a sensitive and caring person. He is one of the nicest people I
know....I used to tease him about his "growling" before we even met! ;-) "
--Eva Braun
Chrissy Cruiser
> I have to second what Jean said!!
What a surprise.
--
Charles of RTC said: "Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for three
months now because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung capacity
clint
Lloyd Parsons
Chrissy Cruiser <chrissy...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:11:01 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 09 Mar 2008 13:16:21 -0600, Lloyd Parsons wrote:
> >>
> >>> It is sizeable as taxing tobacco products has been an easy target. And
> >>> you know politicians don't like losing tax revenues. If all tobacco
> >>> users in the US quit today, you can bet your butt that some new taxes
> >>> would be talked about in a hurry.
> >>
> >> So tax revenues outweigh medical costs?
> >
> > Yeah, those medical costs that go up and up every day, and still would
> > with or without smokers to blame for it, or bad drivers, or drunks or
> > maybe fat asses or a whole slew of other reasons.
>
> Rant over?
>
For now...
> > But if the smokers are contributing $1B in taxes today, when the smoke
> > cops get finished, all of you that don't smoke will get to pay that.
>
> Not if smoking is curbed.
>
LOL!
If all the smokers quit today, you will get to pay your share of all
those new taxes to replace the ones we are paying now. To believe
otherwise is to believe in the tooth fairy.
> > You don't really think a politician ever gets enough money do you?
>
> I could care less. There is something inately insidious about (national)
> politicians anyway.
National politicians get national coverage, that's the biggest
difference. And you should start caring more, otherwise we'll just keep
getting the governance we deserve instead of the one we say we want.
Charles
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
> If all the smokers quit today, you will get to pay your share of all
> those new taxes to replace the ones we are paying now. To believe
> otherwise is to believe in the tooth fairy.
So you think non-smokers should encourage smoking to keep taxes lower?
I don't think so. I don't care if tax collection from smokers goes down
if all smokers quit. Every smoker should quit. The health consequences
and social cost of smoking is huge.
--
Charles
Lloyd Parsons
Charles <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
No, I don't frankly care what non-smokers think about whether I smoke or
not. I don't need your encouragement, and I especially don't need the
holier-than-thou approach the anti-smokers have taken.
As with most of my smoking friends, we try to be aware of your concerns
and accomodate them. Most times it works, but most times that it
doesn't work, the anti-smokers put themselves in a position just waiting
to be offended.
And right now, you don't care about the taxes as you aren't paying them.
But you'll be braying about them plenty when you have to start.
Charles
Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
> As with most of my smoking friends, we try to be aware of your concerns
> and accomodate them. Most times it works, but most times that it
> doesn't work, the anti-smokers put themselves in a position just waiting
> to be offended.
Duh. Smoking is a rude habit. Spewing second hand smoke, it stinks,
smokers toss their butts where they please. Smoking is offensive.
> And right now, you don't care about the taxes as you aren't paying them.
> But you'll be braying about them plenty when you have to start.
That is the best you can do? Raising the specter of higher taxes? You
think you are doing us a favor by paying cigarette taxes? LOL. The cost
to society from illness and early death is higher than any taxes you
pay.
--
Charles
Joseph Coulter
news:140320082059006193%fo...@his.com.remove.invalid:
Actually studies have shown that smokers actually save society money by
dying quickly.
--
Joseph Coulter, cruises and vacations
www.josephcoulter.com
yourva...@comcast.net
877 832 2021
904 631 8863 cell
Charles
Joseph Coulter <seeLOO...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Actually studies have shown that smokers actually save society money by
> dying quickly.
I dunno about that. Have read that the health costs of smokers are
pretty high. In many cases the health decline of smokers is long and
costly. They don't die quickly. There can be years of costly treatments
and years of bad health. I noticed that smokers at work seem to have
the worst attendance records and are less productive. In any case I
don't think it is in societies interest for life spans to be lower. Not
morally for sure, and I don't think economically either. Life
expectancy is usually higher in the wealthiest countries.
--
Charles
Joseph Coulter
fo...@his.com.remove.invalid:
I whole heartedly agree that society should be interested in prolonging
andlife and mainatining a quality, just that I had read a study from europe
on the subject recently that defied the common logic. the l;ong and short
was that long term care for the elederly is expensive and smokers don't
need that. A link to an article menitoning the survey but not the survey
http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?
AID=/20080223/OPINION/802230357
Lloyd Parsons
Charles <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
Provide a link showing that. I doubt that you can. Us smokers are
paying for more than our health care and such with those taxes. Schools
are getting the money for one, lots of others are benefitting because
politicos know they CAN raise tobacco taxes, while raising other taxes
is getting harder.
Lloyd Parsons
> Charles <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote in
> news:140320082059006193%fo...@his.com.remove.invalid:
>
> > In article <lloydparsons-8EBB...@news.individual.net>,
> > Lloyd Parsons <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> As with most of my smoking friends, we try to be aware of your
> >> concerns and accomodate them. Most times it works, but most times
> >> that it doesn't work, the anti-smokers put themselves in a position
> >> just waiting to be offended.
> >
> > Duh. Smoking is a rude habit. Spewing second hand smoke, it stinks,
> > smokers toss their butts where they please. Smoking is offensive.
> >
> >> And right now, you don't care about the taxes as you aren't paying
> >> them. But you'll be braying about them plenty when you have to
> >> start.
> >
> > That is the best you can do? Raising the specter of higher taxes? You
> > think you are doing us a favor by paying cigarette taxes? LOL. The
> > cost to society from illness and early death is higher than any taxes
> > you pay.
> >
>
> Actually studies have shown that smokers actually save society money by
> dying quickly.
Probably more true than many think.
Lloyd Parsons
Charles <fo...@his.com.remove.invalid> wrote:
I've heard that story about smokers missing more work for years. Yet
while in the service, and at 4 different companies, I never saw that be
the case.
Tom K
"Lloyd Parsons" <lloydp...@mac.com> wrote in message
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Then don't smoke... problem solved.
--Tom
clint
Chrissy Cruiser
>> I could care less. There is something inately insidious about (national)
>> politicians anyway.
>
> National politicians get national coverage, that's the biggest
> difference. And you should start caring more, otherwise we'll just keep
> getting the governance we deserve instead of the one we say we want.
Yeah, well I care enough in the 60s and 70s for a lifetime. Thx, your
turn.
--
Charles of RTC said: "Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for
three months now because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung
capacityfrom years of smoking. Although I feel bad he is ill I don't
Chrissy Cruiser
> No, I don't frankly care what non-smokers think about whether I smoke or
> not. I don't need your encouragement, and I especially don't need the
> holier-than-thou approach the anti-smokers have taken.
Pard0on us if we mind if uopu kill us, Lloyd. Speaking of 'tudes, this
is the Tudes tude. D00d.
> As with most of my smoking friends, we try to be aware of your concerns
> and accomodate them. Most times it works, but most times that it
> doesn't work, the anti-smokers put themselves in a position just waiting
> to be offended.
And Jesus was green.
> And right now, you don't care about the taxes as you aren't paying them.
> But you'll be braying about them plenty when you have to start.
I'll swap the lowered med costs for increased taxes and national health
any day.
Chrissy Cruiser
> Actually studies have shown that smokers actually save society money by
> dying quickly.
Of course they do. Most anyone does.
Chrissy Cruiser
> I've heard that story about smokers missing more work for years. Yet
> while in the service, and at 4 different companies, I never saw that be
> the case.
Read my sig.
--
*Charles of RTC said: "Like my smoker co-worker who has not worked for
three months now because he has to take oxygen due to diminished lung
capacity from years of smoking. Although I feel bad he is ill I don't
feel bad about taking his job since he put himself in that situation."
Signed Charles The Cold Hearted Bastard*
AZ Nomad
Riiiiight. If tobacco were a thousand dollars an ounce, they'd be mugging
people to get money for their fix.