you must be a terrorist if
JA_MORAN
swiss army knife (small one with scissors and a 1 inch blade) on top
makes nice letter opener.... while at others like JFK terminal 7 I got
treated like I was a terrorist. I also travel with a red swiss army
knife in my pocked... always have it's a tool for me the scissors, the
screwdriver etc....
I fix computers and its easier to carry the swiss army knife than a tool
belt...
JOHN
Maxx
Have you just started flying lately? Knives of any sort have been
banned for years. Any frequent flyer has accepted this fact as a way
of life.
mrtravel
Really, maybe someone should tell TSA to get a brain
The OP says the knife has a 1 inch blade.
According to this site, all knives are prohibited
http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Permitted_Prohibited_NEW.pdf
However, you can carry scissors with up to a 4 inch blade.
Are scissors like 2 knives connected together?
Maxx
TSA is a breeding ground for idiots. If I worked for TSA, I sure
wouldn,t admit it to anyone.
(PeteCresswell)
>According to this site, all knives are prohibited
>
>http://www.tsa.gov/interweb/assetlibrary/Permitted_Prohibited_NEW.pdf
>
>However, you can carry scissors with up to a 4 inch blade.
>Are scissors like 2 knives connected together?
Last I heard (but that was several months ago...and secondhand information at
that...) any and all tools were prohibited. i.e. An open-end box wrench would
be confiscated.
--
PeteCresswell
Maxx
Why would anyone want to carry their tools on anyway.
irwell
wrote:
>
>However, you can carry scissors with up to a 4 inch blade.
>Are scissors like 2 knives connected together?
But don't these scissors have to be round tipped,
not pointed?
Pete
mr.pretentious.nickname wrote:
>> Really, maybe someone should tell TSA to get a brain
>> The OP says the knife has a 1 inch blade.
>> According to this site, all knives are prohibited
>> Are scissors like 2 knives connected together?
>
> TSA is a breeding ground for idiots. If I worked for TSA, I
> sure wouldn,t admit it to anyone.
#1, TSA management makes the rules, not the screeners. Therefore
TSA management are the idiots.
#2, scissors are generally not sharpened, thereby making them much
less dangerous than knives. And I'll bet they are inspected each time
to make sure they are dull.
#3, the 9/11 killers carried knives with very small blades. Have you
ever even seen boxcutters?
Pete
Maxx
It really doesn't matter. If someone wants to stab someone, a pencil
is just as good. If someone wants to cut someone, they can break a CD
in half. TSA claims lighters are banned because you can't smell them
lighting like you can smell a match. So you're allowed four packs of
matches. DUHHH !!! If you smell the match, the fuse is already lit.
They're all idiots.
Maxx
Pete wrote:
> Maxx wrote:
> > TSA is a breeding ground for idiots. If I worked for TSA, I
> > sure wouldn,t admit it to anyone.
>
> #1, TSA management makes the rules, not the screeners. Therefore
> TSA management are the idiots.
I'll revise that statement. I deal with TSA screeners 2 to 4 times a
week. 100% of managment and 50% of screeners are idiots.
> #2, scissors are generally not sharpened, thereby making them much
> less dangerous than knives. And I'll bet they are inspected each time
> to make sure they are dull.
Scissors are checked carefully, while the little old ladies are passing
through with knitting needles. Make sense?
> #3, the 9/11 killers carried knives with very small blades. Have you
> ever even seen boxcutters?
Carry-ons weren't checked very closely before 9/11 (I'm not even sure
if any kind of razor knife was banned at that time). I flew out of
Houston on 9/10 with my pocket knife and a few other sharp items in my
carry-on.
> Pete
mrtravel
Well, that would be incorrect information. The list, at the tsa link
above, describes what tools are permitted. So, a wrench less than 7
inches would be permitted.
mrtravel
Not true.
Check the website. My post had the link to the chart. It shows both
blunt ended and pointed.
No length is specified forfies blunt ended.
It clearly says "metal with pointed tips and blades shorter than four
inches in length" are permitted.
JA_MORAN
ultimately it's the US congress who makes the laws but some intermediary
who makes regulations and impliments the laws....
comming out of Phoenix it was just my red swiss army pocket knife that I
had to go back down to the ticket counter and have put in a pouch that
went as a checked item. My pen with small knife and small scissors was fine
JFK was a nightmare, I got stripped searched... had to take off my shoes
too... I will avoid that airport now...
I did carry some 5 inch screw drivers in my briefcase that I use to get
into computers.. also a crimp tool for making cables.. no one said
anything about that.
I used to fly every week, commute between two cities in western america.
flying was fun then... just empty your pockets, show you have no guns
and you were fine... now flying is a major headache. I prefer to drive
as I can do it on my own schedule... and on my own terms. I will not be
stuck at JFK all night if I arrive after 9pm and want to fly back to
Phoenix....
I have used the knife in flight asa tool not as a weapon...
flying should be fun... you should not feel like you are going to jail
when you are just trying to get on a plane and go somewhere...
scale down security make it less threatening and more effective,people
should not have to come to the airport half naked to go through security.
irwell
wrote:
You are right, also I see they allow knitting needles, another
instrument that can be a vicious weapon, in fact the South
African robbers on the township busses used them frequently.
Maxx
JA_MORAN wrote:
> JFK was a nightmare, I got stripped searched... had to take off my shoes
> too... I will avoid that airport now...
How extensive was this "Strip Search"? It sounds a bit odd.
mrtravel
Well, he had to strip his shoes off.
Tchiowa
Absolutely. Even to the point of making sure that my finger nail
clippers don't have a file or blade inside them. Or they get
confiscated.
ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com
[snip]
> #3, the 9/11 killers carried knives with very small blades. Have you
> ever even seen boxcutters?
The problem isn't the length of the blade, it is the fact that it is
"locked". A folding blade makes a terrible weapon, of more danger
to the user than the target. Pocket knives, folding nail files,
and just about any "weapon" that pivots aren't particularly dangerous.
Any rigid knife, including "box cutters" or razor knives which lock
in place, make perfectly nice weapons.
For years the "switch blade" was considered a weapon just as
much as a gun or "brass knuckels" and was treated as such in
many cities. (They often weren't banned as much as they were
considered "concealed weapons" and treated as such). Typically
what made a "switch blade" wasn't the spring loaded feature,
but the fact that once "sprung" it locked in place. I owned many
"switch blades" over the years that had no locking feature and as
such were considered perfectly acceptable.
But as we've all been told, 9/11 changed everything. Apparently
that included using things like reason, logic, knowledge.....
Ac...@webtv.net
weapon than a Bic pen IF the passengers know the hijacked plane is going
to be crashed into a building. The only reason they were of any use is
the passengers apparently didn`t resist in the early hijackings. The
fact that the passengers in the plane that crashed into the Pentagon
apparently did not resist is notable because there was cell phone
communication.
irwell
It's possible that passengers today are controlled too
tightly from the time they check-in, through the barking
TSA agents and then dominated by the FAs that any
initiative on tackling hi-jackers is fairly subdued.
Frank F. Matthews
irwell wrote:
Real fear can overcome a large amount of dominance.
(PeteCresswell)
>Why would anyone want to carry their tools on anyway.
Just checked my go-to-work bag. 1 small box cutter knife - handy for opening up
printer cartridge boxes and lots of other stuff. 1 folding t-handle
multi-screwdriver - saves the day at least 3 times per year. 1 small adjustable
wrench, 1 pair needle nose pliers.
--
PeteCresswell
irwell
Is there an imitation fear
(PeteCresswell)
> had to take off my shoes
Does anybody besides me question the practice of making people walk bare or
stocking-footed through the foot fungus/planar wart virus sheddings of the
preceding thousand or so passengers?
--
PeteCresswell
jf...@my-deja.com
> Does anybody besides me question the practice of making people walk bare or
> stocking-footed through the foot fungus/planar wart virus sheddings of the
> preceding thousand or so passengers?
> --
> PeteCresswell
According to the TSA website at
http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1050.xml ,
"You are not required to remove your shoes before you enter the
walk-through metal detector."
Clark W. Griswold, Jr.
>According to the TSA website at
>http://www.tsa.gov/public/interapp/editorial/editorial_1050.xml ,
>"You are not required to remove your shoes before you enter the
>walk-through metal detector."
Which is Orwellian DoubleSpeak, because if you don't, you will be invited to
enter the additional screening line, where you *must* remove your shoes.
Frank F. Matthews
No you do not remove your shoes. They simply do a supplementary swipe
analysis.
In any case, the last time they wanted me to remove my shoes about 18
months ago I simply took two of the silly trays for junk in the X-Ray
line and stood in those. They are a good bit cleaner.
Clark W. Griswold, Jr.
>No you do not remove your shoes. They simply do a supplementary swipe
>analysis.
Last time I was invited, they had me remove my shoes and ran them through the
xray machine. Maybe things have changed...
-L.
Maxx wrote:
> Pete wrote:
> > Maxx wrote:
>
> > > TSA is a breeding ground for idiots. If I worked for TSA, I
> > > sure wouldn,t admit it to anyone.
> >
> > #1, TSA management makes the rules, not the screeners. Therefore
> > TSA management are the idiots.
>
> I'll revise that statement. I deal with TSA screeners 2 to 4 times a
> week. 100% of managment and 50% of screeners are idiots.
Make that 89.8% of screeners. My DH is black and shaves his head. You
can't really tell his ethnicity (African, American Indian and
European). He ALWAYS gets pulled off and screened separately. ALWAYS.
There hasn't been a single flight we have taken where he hasn't been
hassled. And yet they say they don't racially profile...
>
> > #2, scissors are generally not sharpened, thereby making them much
> > less dangerous than knives. And I'll bet they are inspected each time
> > to make sure they are dull.
>
> Scissors are checked carefully, while the little old ladies are passing
> through with knitting needles. Make sense?
We always joke about this. I can bring my 10-inch aluminum or steel
knitting needles. We could kill someone with one of them, no problem.
It's just soooooo stupid!
> Carry-ons weren't checked very closely before 9/11 (I'm not even sure
> if any kind of razor knife was banned at that time). I flew out of
> Houston on 9/10 with my pocket knife and a few other sharp items in my
> carry-on.
I thought 6-inch (and under) blades were allowed prior to 9-11.
-L.
mrtravel
They won't have a problem tackling hijackers. The real problem is trying
to stop them from wanting to tackle the TSA agents :)
mrtravel
The knife wouldn't be permitted in carryon.
The other tools, if under 7 inches, would.
mrtravel
In terminal A at SJC, yes. I have even heard them tell (I mean,
"recommend") people wearing flip flops to take them off.
Pete
> been hassled. And yet they say they don't racially profile...
There hasn't been a single flight where an American airplane has
been crashed into a building / field, or where an attempt was made
to destroy the aircraft (shoe bomber), where the hijacker wasn't
black or arab.
> We always joke about this. I can bring my 10-inch aluminum or
> steel knitting needles. We could kill someone with one of them, no
> problem. It's just soooooo stupid!
You know nothing of fighting. I would bet you any amount of money
that I would defeat your attack with a sewing needle, and for that
matter, I'd bet that most adult males could also defeat such an attack.
A sewing needle can only be used to stab, and therefore all the
defender has to do is slightly deflect your angle of attack. A knife
with a point and a sharp side (or two) is much more dangerous
because a defender has a high likelihood of being cut, and then he
will lose his concentration for a second due to the pain, and the
attacker can then slash or stab immediately again. Not to mention
the fact that a sewing needle has nothing to grip and so a human
hand will slip toward the defender, resulting in little actual penetration.
Pete
James Robinson
> There hasn't been a single flight where an American airplane has
> been crashed into a building / field, or where an attempt was made
> to destroy the aircraft (shoe bomber), where the hijacker wasn't
> black or arab.
I don't believe that's true.
Was David Burke, the man who took down the PSA plane in 1987 black or Arab?
What about the passenger who blew himself up in the toilet on the Western
Airlines Convair in 1957?
jf...@my-deja.com
> There hasn't been a single flight where an American airplane has
> been crashed into a building / field, or where an attempt was made
> to destroy the aircraft (shoe bomber), where the hijacker wasn't
> black or arab.
>
This is a fine demonstration of a lack of integrity as exemplified by a
intellectually dishonest selective presentation of "facts". After all,
the person responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing was a
conservative, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
Pete
>> been crashed into a building / field, or where an attempt was made
>> to destroy the aircraft (shoe bomber), where the hijacker wasn't
>> black or arab.
>
> intellectually dishonest selective presentation of "facts". After all,
> the person responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing was a
> conservative, White Anglo-Saxon Protestant.
No, it is a fine demonstration of being rather specific. I did not
write that all terrorists are black/arab, though the vast majority are.
Go back and read the part about "an American airplane."
Pete
Pete
>> been crashed into a building / field, or where an attempt was made
>> to destroy the aircraft (shoe bomber), where the hijacker wasn't
>> black or arab.
>
> black or Arab?
According to Wikipedia, he was black. Before 9/11 he was the
worst black mass murderer in American history. If you consider the
9/11 terrorists not to be black, Burke still retains the title.
> What about the passenger who blew himself up in the toilet on the
> Western Airlines Convair in 1957?
If you can give us more details, I may grant you this exception.
Pete
Pete
On second thought I will partially agree with you. Most terrorists
in recent history were religious nuts: McVeigh, Muslims, Jews, etc.
McVeigh and his pals dabbled in the Christian Identity movement,
the moral equivalent of radical Islam.
Pete
-L.
Pete wrote:
> > There hasn't been a single flight we have taken where he hasn't
> > been hassled. And yet they say they don't racially profile...
>
> There hasn't been a single flight where an American airplane has
> been crashed into a building / field, or where an attempt was made
> to destroy the aircraft (shoe bomber), where the hijacker wasn't
> black or arab.
So that means to you all people of color are suspect? You're a fucking
moron, and an asshole. And yet others try to say racism doesn't
exists in America....
>
> > We always joke about this. I can bring my 10-inch aluminum or
> > steel knitting needles. We could kill someone with one of them, no
> > problem. It's just soooooo stupid!
>
> You know nothing of fighting. I would bet you any amount of money
> that I would defeat your attack with a sewing needle,
You also can't read worth shit. I said *knitting* needle.
and for that
> matter, I'd bet that most adult males could also defeat such an attack.
> A sewing needle can only be used to stab, and therefore all the
> defender has to do is slightly deflect your angle of attack. A knife
> with a point and a sharp side (or two) is much more dangerous
> because a defender has a high likelihood of being cut, and then he
> will lose his concentration for a second due to the pain, and the
> attacker can then slash or stab immediately again. Not to mention
> the fact that a sewing needle has nothing to grip and so a human
> hand will slip toward the defender, resulting in little actual penetration.
If one of us holds you dumb ass down and the other pushes that knitting
needle through your eye, into your brain, you'd be better off, I
suspect.
-L.
-L.
Pete wrote:
> >> There hasn't been a single flight where an American airplane has
> >> been crashed into a building / field, or where an attempt was made
> >> to destroy the aircraft (shoe bomber), where the hijacker wasn't
> >> black or arab.
> >
> > Was David Burke, the man who took down the PSA plane in 1987
> > black or Arab?
>
> According to Wikipedia, he was black. Before 9/11 he was the
> worst black mass murderer in American history. If you consider the
> 9/11 terrorists not to be black, Burke still retains the title.
I hate to educate your dumb ass, but Arabs are considered Caucasian.
-L.
James Robinson
>>> There hasn't been a single flight where an American airplane has
>>> been crashed into a building / field, or where an attempt was made
>>> to destroy the aircraft (shoe bomber), where the hijacker wasn't
>>> black or arab.
>
>> What about the passenger who blew himself up in the toilet on the
>> Western Airlines Convair in 1957?
>
> If you can give us more details, I may grant you this exception.
There have been numerous attempts to bring down airliners. This includes
people who have invaded the cockpit, tried to open doors in flight, and
those who have set off explosives. Only a few were successful. They
certainly weren't all black or Arab.
The Western Airlines flight was one that came to mind. In searching for
more info on the flight, I also found a Continental 707 that was brought
down by an explosion, and a Pacific Air Lines flight where the crew was
supposedly killed:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19570725-0&lang=en
http://www.planecrashinfo.com/1957/1957-28.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Airlines_Flight_11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Air_Lines_Flight_773
http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19600106-0&lang=en
These were some of the incidents where the attack was successful.
Unsuccessful attacks don't tend to be well reported.
-L.
James Robinson wrote:
>
> There have been numerous attempts to bring down airliners. This includes
> people who have invaded the cockpit, tried to open doors in flight, and
> those who have set off explosives. Only a few were successful. They
> certainly weren't all black or Arab.
>
> The Western Airlines flight was one that came to mind. In searching for
> more info on the flight, I also found a Continental 707 that was brought
> down by an explosion, and a Pacific Air Lines flight where the crew was
> supposedly killed:
>
> http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19570725-0&lang=en
> http://www.planecrashinfo.com/1957/1957-28.htm
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Airlines_Flight_11
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Air_Lines_Flight_773
> http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19600106-0&lang=en
>
> These were some of the incidents where the attack was successful.
> Unsuccessful attacks don't tend to be well reported.
It's also a bias of the media to report about "evil black men".
-L.
Jeff Hacker
"James Robinson" <was...@212.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97E93C1BFF9...@216.196.97.142...
There was also the case of the fired PSA employee who shot the pilot and co
pilot on a BAe 146 flight from LAX to SFO in the mid 1970's.
James Robinson
He ws black, which feeds into the original poster's claims.
James Robinson
As was the flight engineer who used a fire axe on the crew on the FedEx
plane, in case anyone brings that episode up.