Frontier Airlines and Peanuts??
hcha...@gmail.com
peanuts on their flights? We have a peanut allergic child and their
customer service is absolutely no help. thanks.
james
wrap (turkey or chicken), and sun chips, (no peanuts)
That said, if there are peanuts on your flight and your concerned about
peanut "fumes", (not joking I know it's a legit concern), a polite
request to your seatmate to forgoe the peanuts would probably be
appeased.
Also they're a good airline, and from my experience have been treated
excellent, as I've treated them.
Take care!
wes...@laway.net
Hey, you sodden piece of cardboard, if they do serve peanuts (gawd
should only forbid!!), just say no. Keerist, when I see clueless
parents like you, I cringe. Why isn't there a license to breed?
Shawn Hirn
hcha...@gmail.com wrote:
Call the airline and ask.
James Robinson
It would be nice if it were that easy.
People who are severely allergic to peanuts can be affected simply by
contact with peanuts or inhalation. It can be life-threatening for those
people, similar to the effects of a bee sting for those allergic to bee
venom.
Contact sensitivity means they can have a reaction from peanut residue on
a seat or tray table left by a previous passenger who ate a bag of nuts,
or by inhalation when a hundred people on a plane simultaneously open up
their individual bags.
Here is a story about such an incident:
http://www.sptimes.com/News/123001/Travel/Out_of_the_Blue__Pean.shtml
Because of this risk, a number of airlines, like United, American,
Northwest, Jet Blue, Spirit and British Airways no longer serve peanuts
as snacks. Other airlines will serve other types of snacks on flights
carrying someone with a peanut allergy, on advance request. Some will
only provide a buffer zone, as required by law, where no peanuts are
served close to a person with an allergy.
ocon...@slr.orl.lmco.com
Maybe this will help:
Shawn Hirn wrote:
> In article <1150609381.1...@h76g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> hcha...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Was wondering if anyone out there knows if Frontier Airlines serves
> > peanuts on their flights? We have a peanut allergic child
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> > and their customer service is absolutely no help. thanks.
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-L.
It doesn't matter what they tell you. I flew American a few weeks ago,
and was ASSURED that no peanuts had been seved on their fligts for
YEARS. Well, we sat down (first class) and I'll be damned if they
didn't set an entire BOWL full of nuts down in front of us. I about
freaked out. I still need to write to them and complain - I tried
complaining over the phone and didn't get any help.
Bring some benedryl and an epi pen with you, and wipe down all surfaces
before your child sits down. That's about all you can do.
-L.
Rudy
>> peanuts on their flights? We have a peanut allergic child and their
>> customer service is absolutely no help. thanks.
Fly NWA..all they serve is those damn pretzels !
James Robinson
>
> It doesn't matter what they tell you. I flew American a few weeks ago,
> and was ASSURED that no peanuts had been seved on their fligts for
> YEARS. Well, we sat down (first class) and I'll be damned if they
> didn't set an entire BOWL full of nuts down in front of us.
American doesn't serve peanuts, and haven't for years. They were one of the
first to stop, after United. They do serve other kinds of nuts, though,
like almonds and cashews.
TOliver
"James Robinson" <was...@212.com> wrote ...
Not that L. would know the difference or care, "peanuts" are "nuts" in name
only, somewhat different than "nut" nuts....
So incensed was I by the airlines dropping peanuts that now I bring my own
(along with the occasional peanut butter sandwich) , carefully noting those
around me who fall into anaphylactic shock and are removed from the aircraft
on arrival covered with a blanket. There's nothing like a bag of San
Antonio "Hot Nuts" or a sammitch on whole wheat with a thick layer of Jif
Chunky and a dollop or two of mayhaw jelly to bring out the peanut
allergies, real and imagined. A good thick tunafish with chopped red onions
will almost guarantee empty seats nearby, while pickled herring, kimchi,
nuoc mam and several examples of garlic-laden salume can clear a row. It's
tough to get a durian aboard, but curried banana chips or the Malay shrimp
paste are fine alternatives.
I'm terribly sorry for any child (and his/her parents) who has serious
problems with allergies, but the current presumption of "protecting" the
sufferer by banishing products is intolerable. A "reformed" nicotine addict
after 40+ year of 2 packs a day, and not without occasional continued
cravings, I could not accept "banning" smoking in outdoor environments
simply to protect folks from a whiff of 'baccy fumes. Hell, watching girl's
rear ends and smoking cigarets formed the raison d'etre for sidewalk cafes.
A procedural note.... If traveling in a window seat and the occupant of the
aisle seat passes away during the flight, is it proper crawl across the
sprawled decedent or to wait for the remains to be removed before attempting
to debark? What about making a quick connection?
TMO
-L.
Well, they set an entire bowl of mixed nuts down in front of us that
contained peanuts, so how do you explain that?
-L.
Binyamin Dissen
Being cheap.
BC mixed nuts should not contain peanuts.
--
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http://www.dissensoftware.com
Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me,
you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain.
I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems,
especially those from irresponsible companies.
TOliver
it would be for Legal Seafoods not to serve lobster, Joe's Crab Shack to ban
crab, or Pappadeaux to take crawfish from the menu, because countless folk
develop hives or go into shock when eating crustaceans. Nor should I expect
my community to spray parks to kill yellowjackets, wasps and hornets just
because the little boogers "kill" far more folks in the US each year than do
pizenous sarpents.
Of course, there's another side to the story, the tune my brother in law the
allergist sings, that for every actual case of severe allergy to peanuts
he's ever seen, there have been several cases of parentally aggravated
circumstances which may or may not have been serious or allergies at all.
Of course, he's into the shaman category, already, beach houses and fancy
cars enabled by treating sometimes nonexistent and generally incurable
conditions, the original Dr. Feelgood. A few minutes in his waiting room
will convince you that not only does Munchausen's Syndrome exist, it may be
pandemic. Run of the mill hypochondriacs need not apply, for it takes a
serious parental neuroses to find a place on his patient list.
His best line is classic....
"if you want an allergy badly enough you'll develop one (or after several
visits, we'll find one together).
TMO
-L.
TOliver wrote:
> It is no more the responsibility of the airlines not to serve peanuts tha
> it would be for Legal Seafoods not to serve lobster, Joe's Crab Shack to ban
> crab, or Pappadeaux to take crawfish from the menu, because countless folk
> develop hives or go into shock when eating crustaceans.
I totally agree. But they need to provide accurate information so that
people can prepare ahead of time or make other accomodations.
> Nor should I expect
> my community to spray parks to kill yellowjackets, wasps and hornets just
> because the little boogers "kill" far more folks in the US each year than do
> pizenous sarpents.
>
> Of course, there's another side to the story, the tune my brother in law the
> allergist sings, that for every actual case of severe allergy to peanuts
> he's ever seen, there have been several cases of parentally aggravated
> circumstances which may or may not have been serious or allergies at all.
> Of course, he's into the shaman category, already, beach houses and fancy
> cars enabled by treating sometimes nonexistent and generally incurable
> conditions, the original Dr. Feelgood. A few minutes in his waiting room
> will convince you that not only does Munchausen's Syndrome exist, it may be
> pandemic. Run of the mill hypochondriacs need not apply, for it takes a
> serious parental neuroses to find a place on his patient list.
>
> His best line is classic....
>
> "if you want an allergy badly enough you'll develop one (or after several
> visits, we'll find one together).
Well the problem with allergies such as a peanut allergy is if you
challenge the patient in such a way to see how allergic they truly are,
you can easily kill them. My son (age 2) has had minor reactions to
peanuts twice and cashews once, and that's enough for me to not to
expose him to either until he is old enough to be tested properly. All
I ask is that I be given the information I need to make the decisions I
need to make - and when the airline fails to do that, they're
negligent.
-L.
Clark W. Griswold, Jr.
>All I ask is that I be given the information I need to make the decisions I
>need to make - and when the airline fails to do that, they're
>negligent.
Except that the airline has absolutely no control over what the other 150 people
on the aircraft bring aboard with them - especially in these days where they are
encouraged to bring their own snacks & meals. Any parent who relies on a false
sense of security due to the airline not serving something is likely in for a
unwelcome surprise.
James Robinson
Whenever I was served mixed nuts on flights, the mix didn't include
peanuts.
However, here is American's policy, from their web site:
Peanut Allergy
American recognizes that some passengers are allergic to peanuts.
Therefore, we have replaced peanuts with pretzels for snacks and meals
served in the main cabin. Due to last minute equipment changes and the
possibility that other passengers may bring peanuts onboard, and because
there may be trace elements of unspecified peanut ingredients in other
meals and snacks, we cannot guarantee there will not be peanuts or
peanut-related products in-flight. We encourage customers to consider the
possibility of exposure, particularly when accepting any in-flight meal
or snack, and we strongly advise passengers to take all necessary medical
precautions to prepare for the possibility of exposure.
Passengers may wish to bring their own food items on their flight. Many
passengers take the precaution of carrying epinephrine (Epi-pens) or
other suitable anaphylaxis treatment prescribed by their physician that
can be self-administered.
Nate Edel
I've never seen peanuts in the bowl of mixed nuts they serve in business or
first; for a while they had sort of similar in appearance soy nuts, but
absolutely never peanuts, at least since 2000 when I started flying them
regularly enough to get upgraded.
--
Nate Edel http://www.cubiclehermit.com/
"What's the use of yearning for Elysian Fields when you know you can't get
'em, and would only let 'em out on building leases if you had 'em?" (WSG)
Nate Edel
> It doesn't matter what they tell you. I flew American a few weeks ago,
> and was ASSURED that no peanuts had been seved on their fligts for
> YEARS. Well, we sat down (first class) and I'll be damned if they
> didn't set an entire BOWL full of nuts down in front of us. I about
> freaked out. I still need to write to them and complain - I tried
> complaining over the phone and didn't get any help.
Well, if you asked about peanuts, they're not going to tell you whether
hard/tree nuts are served; they are two unrelated things (except
linguistically), and two different allergies, even if some people are
allergic to both.
In general, tree nut allergies are less severe than peanut allergies,
although I'm sure there are exceptions out there.
mrtravel
>
> I've never seen peanuts in the bowl of mixed nuts they serve in business or
> first; for a while they had sort of similar in appearance soy nuts, but
> absolutely never peanuts, at least since 2000 when I started flying them
> regularly enough to get upgraded.
>
I know AA serves soy nuts that look similar peanuts, but taste terrible.
I think they have gotten rid of them or will get rid of them.
-L.
Clark W. Griswold, Jr. wrote:
> "-L." <gent...@peacemail.com> wrote:
>
> >All I ask is that I be given the information I need to make the decisions I
> >need to make - and when the airline fails to do that, they're
> >negligent.
>
> Except that the airline has absolutely no control over what the other 150 people
> on the aircraft bring aboard with them - especially in these days where they are
> encouraged to bring their own snacks & meals.
I totally understand that. But the likelihood of all 150 people
bringing peanuts or nuts is esentially non-existent. If one or two
people do, we can move seats. The problem only becomes unmanagable if
everyone has peanuts. Most of these allergies are
concentration-dependant.
>Any parent who relies on a false
> sense of security due to the airline not serving something is likely in for a
> unwelcome surprise.
All I ask is that they tell me truthfully whether or not peanuts are
served. Then I can plan accordingly by not choosing that flight, or
airline, or by changing my tickets.
-L.
-L.
Nate Edel wrote:
> I've never seen peanuts in the bowl of mixed nuts they serve in business or
> first; for a while they had sort of similar in appearance soy nuts, but
> absolutely never peanuts, at least since 2000 when I started flying them
> regularly enough to get upgraded.
My husband looked closely at his. There were peanuts. Trust me. We
eat soynuts all the time and know the difference.
-L.
-L.
Nate Edel wrote:
> -L. <gent...@peacemail.com> wrote:
> > It doesn't matter what they tell you. I flew American a few weeks ago,
> > and was ASSURED that no peanuts had been seved on their fligts for
> > YEARS. Well, we sat down (first class) and I'll be damned if they
> > didn't set an entire BOWL full of nuts down in front of us. I about
> > freaked out. I still need to write to them and complain - I tried
> > complaining over the phone and didn't get any help.
>
> Well, if you asked about peanuts, they're not going to tell you whether
> hard/tree nuts are served; they are two unrelated things (except
> linguistically), and two different allergies, even if some people are
> allergic to both.
Peanuts were served. Other nuts are a problem because they are usually
roasted in peanut oil. But that doesn't matter - they didn't tell me
the truth.
>
> In general, tree nut allergies are less severe than peanut allergies,
> although I'm sure there are exceptions out there.
The agglutinin protein is what causes such allergies - some people
cross-react to them, others do not. Cashews are not a tree nut either
and my son reacts to them mildly, presumably because of the peanut oil.
The bottom line is, I don't care about anything else - I asked if
there were peanuts, they assured me not and then sat down an entire
bowl of nuts that contained peanuts. Luckily we were in the bulkhead,
and the people behind us refused them. The people to the side were
staggered enough that there was no effect. I gave him some Benedryl
immediately (and wiped down out seats/trays), but by the time we
landed, he had hives and I was royally pissed.
-L.
John
here's what James Robertson said in a message:
"However, here is American's policy, from their web site:
Peanut Allergy
American recognizes that some passengers are allergic to peanuts.
Therefore, we have replaced peanuts with pretzels for snacks and meals
served in the main cabin. Due to last minute equipment changes and the
possibility that other passengers may bring peanuts onboard, and
because
there may be trace elements of unspecified peanut ingredients in other
meals and snacks, we cannot guarantee there will not be peanuts or
peanut-related products in-flight. We encourage customers to consider
the
possibility of exposure, particularly when accepting any in-flight
meal
or snack, and we strongly advise passengers to take all necessary
medical
precautions to prepare for the possibility of exposure.
Passengers may wish to bring their own food items on their flight.
Many
passengers take the precaution of carrying epinephrine (Epi-pens) or
other suitable anaphylaxis treatment prescribed by their physician
that
can be self-administered."
Is that complete enough for you?
-L.
John wrote:
>
> Is that complete enough for you?
That says nothing about them assuring me ON THE PHONE that they DO NOT
serve peanuts when they clearly DO. So I don't know what point you are
trying to make.
-L.
John
Where ,in their policy ,does it say that they serve peanuts?
As their policy clearly states, you have more to worry about your
fellow passengers bringing aboard peanuts.
-L.
John wrote:
> Where ,in their policy ,does it say that they serve peanuts?
Nowhere but they do. As I have explained and re-explained.
> As their policy clearly states, you have more to worry about your
> fellow passengers bringing aboard peanuts.
As I have explained elsewhere, that's simply not true.
-L.
GCosta
gent...@peacemail.com says...
Your postings would indicate that you are either a troll or slow
learner.
Gregory Morrow
GCosta wrote:
On rec.food.cooking (a froup I'm a regular on) she recently mentioned
her heavy LSD use back in the 70's (Google has this archived) -- maybe
her neurons are fried or something...it figures. Additonally, she is
one of these "New Age" types who nuttily rails against all sorts of
stuff. Frex, she recently likened all fisherman to rapists and she
stated that farmers should work "for free"...
She has yammered on about this peanut allergy subject on the
rec.food.cooking froup and all these points have been covered there
over and Over and OVER...attempting to explain anything to her is an
exercise in sheer futility -- like trying to teach a flowerpot to
recite _Casey At The Bat_...
I really have to wonder if her kid (who I feel REALLY sorry for since
she's the "mother") is actually allergic to anything or if she's just
one of these no - life "Munchausen - by - proxy" - type mothers who
gets a vicarious kick of channeling her kid's "ailments" in public in
order to gain cheap sympathy and attention...
Maybe she and the sprog should simply hitch a ride on Ken Kesey's
"Magic Bus" instead of attempting to fly...
In any case, poor kid :-(
--
Best
Greg
Bailey Legull
from the world.
As for Frontier Airlines, I'd be thrilled if they curled up and died.
That's the worst airlines I've ever been on, and I've travelled on U.
S. Airways. I was on a seven-hour nighttime flight recently and their
"dinner" was a bread stick with "dipping sauce."
Needless to say I declined it. C'mon, that'd cost like a dime at Pizza
Hut.
John
Lokk, if you flew on an airline whose agent said they din't serve
peanuts and they didservce peanuts then DON'T FLY ON THAT
AIRLINE AGAIN.
Find another airline or don't fly.
mrtravel
> [ x - posted rec.travel.air, rec.food.cooking ]
> On rec.food.cooking (a froup I'm a regular on) she recently mentioned
> her heavy LSD use back in the 70's (Google has this archived) -- maybe
>
> In any case, poor kid :-(
>
Yep, crosspost an issue just so you can harass her.
See, you really are the person you claimed not to be.
Now that you have been outed, do you watch your back more?
-L.
He's just pissed off because I told him he's an asshole and a poor
excuse for a gay man.
-L.
-L.
GCosta wrote:=
> It should be evident by now that no one here can help you.
Did I say I was asking for help?
>
> Your postings would indicate that you are either a troll or slow
> learner.
I will respond if and when I want to, to whomever I want. If you don't
like that, killfile me.
Better yet, if you don't like people posting to open, unmoderated
forums maybe you should go play on Yahoo groups with the other putzes.
-L.
Melanie
I too have severe allergies. There are many medications out there that
suppress the production of antibodies. I suggest you get your son on
them to avoid anaphylactic shock in the future.
~Melanie
Gregory Morrow
She'd rather whine and cry about the sitch than do anything pro -
active to protect the health of her child...
--
Best
Greg
-L.
Melanie wrote:
> I too have severe allergies. There are many medications out there that
> suppress the production of antibodies. I suggest you get your son on
> them to avoid anaphylactic shock in the future.
>
We have already consulted two specialists. He's too young at this
point to do any testing or treatments. We have to wait until he is at
least 3 to do any testing - one doctor advocated 5 or 6. In the mean
time, we carry epi pen and Benedryl and try to be proactive in keeping
his exposure at zero, or as close to it as we can.
-L.
mrtravel
> Melanie wrote:
>
>>I too have severe allergies. There are many medications out there that
>>suppress the production of antibodies. I suggest you get your son on
>>them to avoid anaphylactic shock in the future.
>>
>
>
> We have already consulted two specialists. He's too young at this
> point to do any testing or treatments.
If he is too young for testing, how did the doctor determine it was a
peanut allergy?
-L.
mrtravel wrote:
>
> If he is too young for testing, how did the doctor determine it was a
> peanut allergy?
The doctors didn't - we did. We noticed allergic reactions the two
times when he was given whole roasted peanuts and cashews. We don't
know for sure that he's allergic to cashews - it may just be the peanut
oil they were roasted in. He's adopted so we don't know all of his
family's medical history WRT allergies.
-L.
James Robinson
> I was somewhat surprised to be given a pack of peanuts on Delta - I
> thought most airlines had replaced them. But there's another airline
> for you to avoid.
Peanuts are a major agricultural crop in the state of Georgia, which
produces almost 1/2 of the nation's peanuts. Delta's headquarters is in
Atlanta, Georgia. Pretty obvious why they still serve them.
Coca Cola's headquarters is also in Atlanta. Guess what brand of soft
drinks they serve.