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9/11: Criminal Incompetence and Ass-Covering by the Bush Administration
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-26/911-criminal-incompetence-and-ass-covering-bush-administration
14 Facts Which Show Criminal Negligence and Ass-Covering
On this eleventh anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks, we would like
to take a look back at what went wrong.
While the Bush administration tried to make its response to 9/11 its
crowning achievement, the truth is that they acted with criminal
incompetence and ass-covering.
(1) The U.S. is at least partly responsible for creating Al Qaeda. For
example, Jimmy Carter�s National Security Adviser admitted on CNN that
we organized and supported Bin Laden and the other originators of �Al
Qaeda� in the 1970s to fight the Soviets.
Professor of strategy at the Naval War College and former National
Security Agency intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer
John R. Schindler documents, the U.S. supported Bin Laden and other Al
Qaeda terrorists in Bosnia.
(2) The chair of the 9/11 Commission said that the attack was
preventable. It is thoroughly-documented that an attack such as 9/11
was entirely foreseeable. Specifically, Al Qaeda flying planes into the
World Trade Center and Pentagon was something which American military
and intelligence services - and our allies - knew could happen.
(3) U.S. intelligence services have repeatedly infiltrated Al Qaeda and
related groups, but then idiotically failed to stop them. For example -
as the New York Times, CBS News and others reported - the FBI informant
involved in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center begged the FBI to
substitute fake bomb power for real explosives, but his FBI handler
moronically let real explosives be used.
Similarly - as reported by Newsweek, the New York Times and others - an
FBI informant hosted and rented a room to 2 of the 9/11 hijackers while
they were in the U.S., but then stupidly failed to stop them.
Indeed, former counter-terrorism boss Richard Clarke theorizes that top
CIA brass tried to recruit the hijackers and turn them to our side, but
were unsuccessful. And � when they realized had failed � they covered up
their tracks so that the FBI would not investigate their illegal CIA
activities , �malfeasance and misfeasance�, on U.S. soil.
In other words, our intelligence services' attempts to infiltrate and
work with people inside of terrorist cells was horribly botched; and
they did a horrible job of stopping terrorist attacks once they were set
in motion.
(4) Dick Cheney was in charge of all of America's counter-terrorism
exercises, activities and responses on 9/11. See this Department of
State announcement and this CNN article. As such, at least part of the
blame for failing to stop the attacks is on his shoulders.
(5) The Energy Task Force chaired by Dick Cheney prior to 9/11 collected
maps of Iraqi oil, Saudi and United Arab Emerates fields and potential
suitors for that oil. And you might have heard that the oil bigs
attended the Task Force meetings.
According to the New Yorker � a secret document written by the National
Security Council (NSC) on February 3, 2001 directed NSC staff to
cooperate fully with the Energy Task Force as it considered the
�melding� of two seemingly unrelated areas of policy:
�The review of operational policies towards rogue states,� such as Iraq,
and �actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas
fields�.
It is difficult to brush off Cheney�s Energy Task Force�s examination of
arab oil maps as a harmless comparison of American energy policy with
known oil reserves because the NSC explicitly linked the Task Force,
oil, and regime change.
The above-linked New Yorker article quotes a former senior director for
Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian affairs at the NSC said:
If this little group was discussing geostrategic plans for oil, it puts
the issue of war in the context of the captains of the oil industry
sitting down with Cheney and laying grand, global plans.
Is that why idiot Cheney - the guy in charge of all terror protection
efforts before and on 9/11 - failed to effectively respond to 9/11 with
normal air defense? Was he too busy pining over Iraqi oil maps to pay
any attention?
(6) The military � under the idiot Vice President�s command that day �
didn�t scramble enough fighter jets, and then scrambled jets far over
the Atlantic Ocean, in what Senator Mark Dayton called:
The most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and
negligence that I�ve ever, under those extreme circumstances, witnessed
in the public sector.
Cheney - and the other people in charge of anti-terror response that day
- screwed up big time.
But just like the bank CEOs who are rewarded for causing the financial
crisis by being given bailouts and subsidies and breaks, the military
and intelligence officials who dropped the ball that day have been
promoted. As Time reported:
They have basically promoted the exact same people who have presided
over the ... failure," says a former Justice Department official, "and
those individuals took the same thinking with them.
As the Washington Post reported, no one from the CIA, FBI or NSA has
been reprimanded, punished, or fired for the events of 9/11.
The same is true for the military personnel on watch that day. For
example, General Myers, who was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff on September 11th, was quickly confirmed as Chairman two weeks
later. General Ralph Eberhart, Commander in Chief of NORAD at the time
of the attack, was promoted to head the new "Northern Command" a year
after the attack.
Just as with the financial crisis, no one has been punished, and the
people who screwed up have been allowed to fail upwards.
(7) On the day of 9/11, Vice President Dick Cheney initiated Continuity
of Government Plans that ended America�s constitutional form of
government (at least for some undetermined period of time.)
On that same day, a national state of emergency was declared � and that
state of emergency has continuously been in effect up to today. ... even
though U.S. military and intelligence officials say that the threat from
Al Qaeda is now almost entirely non-existent.
(8) Many of the draconian "national security programs" - such as the
Patriot Act, spying on Americans and indefinite detention - overtly
approved after 9/11 had actually been implemented or planned before
9/11. September 11th was used as an excuse to ramp up these programs.
These programs were approved during the Bush administration ... but were
never terminated by the Obama administration. In fact, while Obama is a
nicer and smarter guy than Bush, top constitutional law professors say
that Obama has actually expanded these programs. And top national
security experts say that these programs actually harm our national
security and increase the threat from terrorism. See this and this.
(9) The Bush administration immediately used the 9/11 attacks as an
excuse to carry out decades-old neoconservative plans to implement
regime change throughout the Middle East and North Africa. And see
this,
(10) The Bush administration pretended that Saddam Hussein had a hand in
9/11 ... one of the two main justifications for that war.
(11) Allegedly, Saddam offered to leave Iraq - and the Taliban offered
to turn over Bin Laden - in order to prevent U.S. invasion. But the
U.S. turned down the offers and invaded anyway.
We can't get the bad guys using peaceful means, now can we? We have a
war to fight!
(12) In contrast, other governments that might actually have sponsored
the attacks have been let off scot-free ... and have even been given
huge amounts of financial support.
(13) As the 9/11 Commission itself notes, as part of its ass-covering
efforts, the Bush administration engaged in criminal obstruction of
justice.
There are numerous examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11
investigation, including:
* The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional
Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government �minders� obstructed
the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses
* The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied
to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such
false statements
* The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was
intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the
tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash
cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary
version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from
the Chicago Sun-Times
* As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others,
declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials
sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into
the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
Moreover, the CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely
told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records
of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and
transcripts of the interrogations.
9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:
Those who knew about those videotapes � and did not tell us about them �
obstructed our investigation.
This is particularly disturbing because the torture methods used were
specially-targeted at producing false confessions. And according to NBC
News:
* Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of
people who were tortured
* At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11
Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information
as a way to stop being "tortured."
* One of the Commission's main sources of information was tortured until
he agreed to sign a confession that he was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO READ
* The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture
confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves
The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at certain cover ups and
obstructions of justice:
* The Commission�s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White
House) �obstructed our investigation�
* 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that �There are ample reasons to
suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our
version . . . We didn�t have access . . . .�
* 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said �We were extremely frustrated
with the false statements we were getting�
* 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating:
�It is a national scandal�; �This investigation is now compromised�; and
�One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11
issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it
up�
* The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) � who led the
9/11 staff�s inquiry � said �At some level of the government, at some
point in time�there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what
happened�. He also said �I was shocked at how different the truth was
from the way it was described �. The tapes told a radically different
story from what had been told to us and the public for two years�. This
is not spin. This is not true.�
And the Co-Chair of the official Congressional Inquiry Into 9/11 � and
former head of the Senate Intelligence Committee � has called for a new
9/11 investigation.
(14) The American government - like many other governments - has long
spun accidents and intelligence failures as justifications for war
propaganda. Unscrupulous Americans - just like dishonest people all
over the world - have long used deception as a basis for war.
Whatever the details of the screw-ups on 9/11, the Bush administration
used the attacks as a justification to promote their agenda. And -
instead of changing the agenda - Obama has continued it.
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-26/911-criminal-incompetence-and-ass-covering-bush-administration
14 Facts Which Show Criminal Negligence and Ass-Covering
On this eleventh anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks, we would like
to take a look back at what went wrong.
While the Bush administration tried to make its response to 9/11 its
crowning achievement, the truth is that they acted with criminal
incompetence and ass-covering.
(1) The U.S. is at least partly responsible for creating Al Qaeda. For
example, Jimmy Carter�s National Security Adviser admitted on CNN that
we organized and supported Bin Laden and the other originators of �Al
Qaeda� in the 1970s to fight the Soviets.
Professor of strategy at the Naval War College and former National
Security Agency intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer
John R. Schindler documents, the U.S. supported Bin Laden and other Al
Qaeda terrorists in Bosnia.
(2) The chair of the 9/11 Commission said that the attack was
preventable. It is thoroughly-documented that an attack such as 9/11
was entirely foreseeable. Specifically, Al Qaeda flying planes into the
World Trade Center and Pentagon was something which American military
and intelligence services - and our allies - knew could happen.
(3) U.S. intelligence services have repeatedly infiltrated Al Qaeda and
related groups, but then idiotically failed to stop them. For example -
as the New York Times, CBS News and others reported - the FBI informant
involved in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center begged the FBI to
substitute fake bomb power for real explosives, but his FBI handler
moronically let real explosives be used.
Similarly - as reported by Newsweek, the New York Times and others - an
FBI informant hosted and rented a room to 2 of the 9/11 hijackers while
they were in the U.S., but then stupidly failed to stop them.
Indeed, former counter-terrorism boss Richard Clarke theorizes that top
CIA brass tried to recruit the hijackers and turn them to our side, but
were unsuccessful. And � when they realized had failed � they covered up
their tracks so that the FBI would not investigate their illegal CIA
activities , �malfeasance and misfeasance�, on U.S. soil.
In other words, our intelligence services' attempts to infiltrate and
work with people inside of terrorist cells was horribly botched; and
they did a horrible job of stopping terrorist attacks once they were set
in motion.
(4) Dick Cheney was in charge of all of America's counter-terrorism
exercises, activities and responses on 9/11. See this Department of
State announcement and this CNN article. As such, at least part of the
blame for failing to stop the attacks is on his shoulders.
(5) The Energy Task Force chaired by Dick Cheney prior to 9/11 collected
maps of Iraqi oil, Saudi and United Arab Emerates fields and potential
suitors for that oil. And you might have heard that the oil bigs
attended the Task Force meetings.
According to the New Yorker � a secret document written by the National
Security Council (NSC) on February 3, 2001 directed NSC staff to
cooperate fully with the Energy Task Force as it considered the
�melding� of two seemingly unrelated areas of policy:
�The review of operational policies towards rogue states,� such as Iraq,
and �actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas
fields�.
It is difficult to brush off Cheney�s Energy Task Force�s examination of
arab oil maps as a harmless comparison of American energy policy with
known oil reserves because the NSC explicitly linked the Task Force,
oil, and regime change.
The above-linked New Yorker article quotes a former senior director for
Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian affairs at the NSC said:
If this little group was discussing geostrategic plans for oil, it puts
the issue of war in the context of the captains of the oil industry
sitting down with Cheney and laying grand, global plans.
Is that why idiot Cheney - the guy in charge of all terror protection
efforts before and on 9/11 - failed to effectively respond to 9/11 with
normal air defense? Was he too busy pining over Iraqi oil maps to pay
any attention?
(6) The military � under the idiot Vice President�s command that day �
didn�t scramble enough fighter jets, and then scrambled jets far over
the Atlantic Ocean, in what Senator Mark Dayton called:
The most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and
negligence that I�ve ever, under those extreme circumstances, witnessed
in the public sector.
Cheney - and the other people in charge of anti-terror response that day
- screwed up big time.
But just like the bank CEOs who are rewarded for causing the financial
crisis by being given bailouts and subsidies and breaks, the military
and intelligence officials who dropped the ball that day have been
promoted. As Time reported:
They have basically promoted the exact same people who have presided
over the ... failure," says a former Justice Department official, "and
those individuals took the same thinking with them.
As the Washington Post reported, no one from the CIA, FBI or NSA has
been reprimanded, punished, or fired for the events of 9/11.
The same is true for the military personnel on watch that day. For
example, General Myers, who was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
Staff on September 11th, was quickly confirmed as Chairman two weeks
later. General Ralph Eberhart, Commander in Chief of NORAD at the time
of the attack, was promoted to head the new "Northern Command" a year
after the attack.
Just as with the financial crisis, no one has been punished, and the
people who screwed up have been allowed to fail upwards.
(7) On the day of 9/11, Vice President Dick Cheney initiated Continuity
of Government Plans that ended America�s constitutional form of
government (at least for some undetermined period of time.)
On that same day, a national state of emergency was declared � and that
state of emergency has continuously been in effect up to today. ... even
though U.S. military and intelligence officials say that the threat from
Al Qaeda is now almost entirely non-existent.
(8) Many of the draconian "national security programs" - such as the
Patriot Act, spying on Americans and indefinite detention - overtly
approved after 9/11 had actually been implemented or planned before
9/11. September 11th was used as an excuse to ramp up these programs.
These programs were approved during the Bush administration ... but were
never terminated by the Obama administration. In fact, while Obama is a
nicer and smarter guy than Bush, top constitutional law professors say
that Obama has actually expanded these programs. And top national
security experts say that these programs actually harm our national
security and increase the threat from terrorism. See this and this.
(9) The Bush administration immediately used the 9/11 attacks as an
excuse to carry out decades-old neoconservative plans to implement
regime change throughout the Middle East and North Africa. And see
this,
(10) The Bush administration pretended that Saddam Hussein had a hand in
9/11 ... one of the two main justifications for that war.
(11) Allegedly, Saddam offered to leave Iraq - and the Taliban offered
to turn over Bin Laden - in order to prevent U.S. invasion. But the
U.S. turned down the offers and invaded anyway.
We can't get the bad guys using peaceful means, now can we? We have a
war to fight!
(12) In contrast, other governments that might actually have sponsored
the attacks have been let off scot-free ... and have even been given
huge amounts of financial support.
(13) As the 9/11 Commission itself notes, as part of its ass-covering
efforts, the Bush administration engaged in criminal obstruction of
justice.
There are numerous examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11
investigation, including:
* The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional
Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government �minders� obstructed
the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses
* The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied
to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such
false statements
* The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was
intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the
tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash
cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary
version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from
the Chicago Sun-Times
* As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others,
declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials
sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into
the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
Moreover, the CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely
told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records
of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and
transcripts of the interrogations.
9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:
Those who knew about those videotapes � and did not tell us about them �
obstructed our investigation.
This is particularly disturbing because the torture methods used were
specially-targeted at producing false confessions. And according to NBC
News:
* Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of
people who were tortured
* At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11
Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators information
as a way to stop being "tortured."
* One of the Commission's main sources of information was tortured until
he agreed to sign a confession that he was NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO READ
* The 9/11 Commission itself doubted the accuracy of the torture
confessions, and yet kept their doubts to themselves
The 9/11 Commissioners publicly expressed anger at certain cover ups and
obstructions of justice:
* The Commission�s co-chairs said that the CIA (and likely the White
House) �obstructed our investigation�
* 9/11 Commissioner Bob Kerrey said that �There are ample reasons to
suspect that there may be some alternative to what we outlined in our
version . . . We didn�t have access . . . .�
* 9/11 Commissioner Timothy Roemer said �We were extremely frustrated
with the false statements we were getting�
* 9/11 Commissioner Max Cleland resigned from the Commission, stating:
�It is a national scandal�; �This investigation is now compromised�; and
�One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9-11
issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it
up�
* The Senior Counsel to the 9/11 Commission (John Farmer) � who led the
9/11 staff�s inquiry � said �At some level of the government, at some
point in time�there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what
happened�. He also said �I was shocked at how different the truth was
from the way it was described �. The tapes told a radically different
story from what had been told to us and the public for two years�. This
is not spin. This is not true.�
And the Co-Chair of the official Congressional Inquiry Into 9/11 � and
former head of the Senate Intelligence Committee � has called for a new
9/11 investigation.
(14) The American government - like many other governments - has long
spun accidents and intelligence failures as justifications for war
propaganda. Unscrupulous Americans - just like dishonest people all
over the world - have long used deception as a basis for war.
Whatever the details of the screw-ups on 9/11, the Bush administration
used the attacks as a justification to promote their agenda. And -
instead of changing the agenda - Obama has continued it.
The Daring Dufas
Aug 27, 2012, 9:39:20 AM8/27/12
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On 8/27/2012 7:52 AM, Rickard Clark wrote:
> 9/11: Criminal Incompetence and Ass-Covering by the Bush Administration
>
BUSH IS NOT THE PRESIDENT ANYMORE YOU MORON! GIVE IT UP ALREADY! O_o
> 9/11: Criminal Incompetence and Ass-Covering by the Bush Administration
>
TDD
Irwell
Aug 27, 2012, 11:32:29 AM8/27/12
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Aug 27, 2012, 12:03:45 PM8/27/12
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On Aug 27, 8:52 am, Rickard Clark <R.Cl...@Counter-Terrorism.Gov>
wrote:
I'd love to see the link to this alleged interview where the
NSA says we organized and supported Bin Laden. That is
as opposed to sending aid in general to the Mujahideen.
>
> Professor of strategy at the Naval War College and former National
> Security Agency intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer
> John R. Schindler documents, the U.S. supported Bin Laden and other Al
> Qaeda terrorists in Bosnia.
Bin Laden in Bosnia? WTF? Link?
>
> (2) The chair of the 9/11 Commission said that the attack was
> preventable. It is thoroughly-documented that an attack such as 9/11
> was entirely foreseeable. Specifically, Al Qaeda flying planes into the
> World Trade Center and Pentagon was something which American military
> and intelligence services - and our allies - knew could happen.
So says the Monday morning quaterback......
>
> (3) U.S. intelligence services have repeatedly infiltrated Al Qaeda and
> related groups, but then idiotically failed to stop them. For example -
> as the New York Times, CBS News and others reported - the FBI informant
> involved in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center begged the FBI to
> substitute fake bomb power for real explosives, but his FBI handler
> moronically let real explosives be used.
>
> Similarly - as reported by Newsweek, the New York Times and others - an
> FBI informant hosted and rented a room to 2 of the 9/11 hijackers while
> they were in the U.S., but then stupidly failed to stop them.
>
> Indeed, former counter-terrorism boss Richard Clarke theorizes that top
> CIA brass tried to recruit the hijackers and turn them to our side, but
> were unsuccessful.
I'd love to see where Richard Clark said that. Absent a link,
I say it's another lie.
And when they realized had failed they covered up
> their tracks so that the FBI would not investigate their illegal CIA
> activities , malfeasance and misfeasance , on U.S. soil.
>
> In other words, our intelligence services' attempts to infiltrate and
> work with people inside of terrorist cells was horribly botched; and
> they did a horrible job of stopping terrorist attacks once they were set
> in motion.
We all know that there were intelligence and law enforcement
failures that could have prevented 911. Nothing new there.
>
> (4) Dick Cheney was in charge of all of America's counter-terrorism
> exercises, activities and responses on 9/11. See this Department of
> State announcement and this CNN article. As such, at least part of the
> blame for failing to stop the attacks is on his shoulders.
>
> (5) The Energy Task Force chaired by Dick Cheney prior to 9/11 collected
> maps of Iraqi oil, Saudi and United Arab Emerates fields and potential
> suitors for that oil. And you might have heard that the oil bigs
> attended the Task Force meetings.
So what?
>
> According to the New Yorker a secret document written by the National
> Security Council (NSC) on February 3, 2001 directed NSC staff to
> cooperate fully with the Energy Task Force as it considered the
> melding of two seemingly unrelated areas of policy:
Why would it be a surprise to anyone that the USA considers
keeping the mideast oil in hands that are friendly to the west
a vital national security interest? Of course, if they had ignored
it, why then you'd be here bitching about that as a security
failure....
>
> The review of operational policies towards rogue states, such as Iraq,
> and actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas
> fields .
>
> It is difficult to brush off Cheney s Energy Task Force s examination of
> arab oil maps as a harmless comparison of American energy policy with
> known oil reserves because the NSC explicitly linked the Task Force,
> oil, and regime change.
Again, being on top of the geo political implications of mideast
oil is a legitimate national security concern. They were doing their
job.
>
> The above-linked New Yorker article quotes a former senior director for
> Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian affairs at the NSC said:
>
> If this little group was discussing geostrategic plans for oil, it puts
> the issue of war in the context of the captains of the oil industry
> sitting down with Cheney and laying grand, global plans.
>
> Is that why idiot Cheney - the guy in charge of all terror protection
> efforts before and on 9/11 - failed to effectively respond to 9/11 with
> normal air defense? Was he too busy pining over Iraqi oil maps to pay
> any attention?
Bush Derangement Syndrome
>
> (6) The military under the idiot Vice President s command that day
> didn t scramble enough fighter jets, and then scrambled jets far over
> the Atlantic Ocean, in what Senator Mark Dayton called:
>
> The most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and
> negligence that I ve ever, under those extreme circumstances, witnessed
> in the public sector.
Of course there is no evidence the senator or anyone else
could have done anything differently. NORAD was focused
on aggression in traditional form, ie an attack from a foreign
power using ICBMs, bombers, etc. To expect that they
would react in under an hour to prevent planes from Logan
from hitting the WTC is nuts.
>
> Cheney - and the other people in charge of anti-terror response that day
> - screwed up big time.
Bush Derangement Syndrome
and Monday morning quaterbacking
>
> But just like the bank CEOs who are rewarded for causing the financial
> crisis by being given bailouts and subsidies and breaks, the military
> and intelligence officials who dropped the ball that day have been
> promoted. As Time reported:
>
> They have basically promoted the exact same people who have presided
> over the ... failure," says a former Justice Department official, "and
> those individuals took the same thinking with them.
>
> As the Washington Post reported, no one from the CIA, FBI or NSA has
> been reprimanded, punished, or fired for the events of 9/11.
Curious that there is no mention of those in Congress and
previous administrations that wrote laws specifically barring
the CIA from talking and sharing intelligence with the FBI.
The CIA had been tracking some of the hijackers and knew
they had entered the USA, but they could not tell the FBI.
>
> The same is true for the military personnel on watch that day. For
> example, General Myers, who was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
> Staff on September 11th, was quickly confirmed as Chairman two weeks
> later. General Ralph Eberhart, Commander in Chief of NORAD at the time
> of the attack, was promoted to head the new "Northern Command" a year
> after the attack.
>
> Just as with the financial crisis, no one has been punished, and the
> people who screwed up have been allowed to fail upwards.
>
> (7) On the day of 9/11, Vice President Dick Cheney initiated Continuity
> of Government Plans that ended America s constitutional form of
> government (at least for some undetermined period of time.)
Bush Derangement Syndrome
>
> On that same day, a national state of emergency was declared and that
> state of emergency has continuously been in effect up to today. ... even
> though U.S. military and intelligence officials say that the threat from
> Al Qaeda is now almost entirely non-existent.
Bush Derangement Syndrome and denial of the most basic
facts. Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
to rain destruction on the USA.
>
> (8) Many of the draconian "national security programs" - such as the
> Patriot Act, spying on Americans and indefinite detention - overtly
> approved after 9/11 had actually been implemented or planned before
> 9/11. September 11th was used as an excuse to ramp up these programs.
Bush Derangement Syndrome. First you bitch because
enough wasn't done to prevent 911. Now that we do have
much better programs that are working, why that's not good
either....
>
> These programs were approved during the Bush administration ... but were
> never terminated by the Obama administration. In fact, while Obama is a
> nicer and smarter guy than Bush, top constitutional law professors say
> that Obama has actually expanded these programs. And top national
> security experts say that these programs actually harm our national
> security and increase the threat from terrorism. See this and this.
>
> (9) The Bush administration immediately used the 9/11 attacks as an
> excuse to carry out decades-old neoconservative plans to implement
> regime change throughout the Middle East and North Africa. And see
> this,
>
> (10) The Bush administration pretended that Saddam Hussein had a hand in
> 9/11 ... one of the two main justifications for that war.
Bush Derangement Syndrome
No such claim was made
>
> (11) Allegedly, Saddam offered to leave Iraq - and the Taliban offered
> to turn over Bin Laden - in order to prevent U.S. invasion. But the
> U.S. turned down the offers and invaded anyway.
Alleged by whom? You conspiracy nuts?
>
> We can't get the bad guys using peaceful means, now can we? We have a
> war to fight!
Yeah, we should have just sent a warrant to somewhere for
Bin LAden's arrest, right? Do you watch the news? Even
a decade later a covert operation into Pakistan in the middle
of the night was needed to capture him.
>
> (12) In contrast, other governments that might actually have sponsored
> the attacks have been let off scot-free ... and have even been given
> huge amounts of financial support.
Might? Is that what we go on now?
>
> (13) As the 9/11 Commission itself notes, as part of its ass-covering
> efforts, the Bush administration engaged in criminal obstruction of
> justice.
I'd like to see the reference for that one...
>
> There are numerous examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11
> investigation, including:
>
> * The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional
> Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government minders obstructed
> the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses
I'd like to see the reference for that too.
>
> * The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied
> to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such
> false statements
>
> * The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was
> intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the
> tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash
> cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary
> version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from
> the Chicago Sun-Times
Bush Derangement Syndrome
>
> * As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others,
> declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials
> sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into
> the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
FireDogLake, RawStory? Wow, impressive
Bush Derangement Syndrome
>
> Moreover, the CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely
> told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records
> of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and
> transcripts of the interrogations.
>
> 9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:
>
> Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them
> obstructed our investigation.
>
> This is particularly disturbing because the torture methods used were
> specially-targeted at producing false confessions. And according to NBC
> News:
>
> * Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of
> people who were tortured
>
> * At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11
> Commission Report have claimed that they told interrogators ...
>
> read more »
What a total crock.
Bush Derangement Syndrome
wrote:
> 9/11: Criminal Incompetence and Ass-Covering by the Bush Administration
>
> http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-26/911-criminal-incompet...
>
>
> 14 Facts Which Show Criminal Negligence and Ass-Covering
>
> On this eleventh anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks, we would like
> to take a look back at what went wrong.
>
> While the Bush administration tried to make its response to 9/11 its
> crowning achievement, the truth is that they acted with criminal
> incompetence and ass-covering.
>
> (1) The U.S. is at least partly responsible for creating Al Qaeda. For
> example, Jimmy Carter s National Security Adviser admitted on CNN that
> we organized and supported Bin Laden and the other originators of Al
> Qaeda in the 1970s to fight the Soviets.
I'm no fan of Jimmy Carter, but I say the above is a lie.
> 14 Facts Which Show Criminal Negligence and Ass-Covering
>
> On this eleventh anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks, we would like
> to take a look back at what went wrong.
>
> While the Bush administration tried to make its response to 9/11 its
> crowning achievement, the truth is that they acted with criminal
> incompetence and ass-covering.
>
> (1) The U.S. is at least partly responsible for creating Al Qaeda. For
> example, Jimmy Carter s National Security Adviser admitted on CNN that
> we organized and supported Bin Laden and the other originators of Al
> Qaeda in the 1970s to fight the Soviets.
I'd love to see the link to this alleged interview where the
NSA says we organized and supported Bin Laden. That is
as opposed to sending aid in general to the Mujahideen.
>
> Professor of strategy at the Naval War College and former National
> Security Agency intelligence analyst and counterintelligence officer
> John R. Schindler documents, the U.S. supported Bin Laden and other Al
> Qaeda terrorists in Bosnia.
>
> (2) The chair of the 9/11 Commission said that the attack was
> preventable. It is thoroughly-documented that an attack such as 9/11
> was entirely foreseeable. Specifically, Al Qaeda flying planes into the
> World Trade Center and Pentagon was something which American military
> and intelligence services - and our allies - knew could happen.
>
> (3) U.S. intelligence services have repeatedly infiltrated Al Qaeda and
> related groups, but then idiotically failed to stop them. For example -
> as the New York Times, CBS News and others reported - the FBI informant
> involved in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center begged the FBI to
> substitute fake bomb power for real explosives, but his FBI handler
> moronically let real explosives be used.
>
> Similarly - as reported by Newsweek, the New York Times and others - an
> FBI informant hosted and rented a room to 2 of the 9/11 hijackers while
> they were in the U.S., but then stupidly failed to stop them.
>
> Indeed, former counter-terrorism boss Richard Clarke theorizes that top
> CIA brass tried to recruit the hijackers and turn them to our side, but
> were unsuccessful.
I say it's another lie.
And when they realized had failed they covered up
> their tracks so that the FBI would not investigate their illegal CIA
> activities , malfeasance and misfeasance , on U.S. soil.
>
> In other words, our intelligence services' attempts to infiltrate and
> work with people inside of terrorist cells was horribly botched; and
> they did a horrible job of stopping terrorist attacks once they were set
> in motion.
failures that could have prevented 911. Nothing new there.
>
> (4) Dick Cheney was in charge of all of America's counter-terrorism
> exercises, activities and responses on 9/11. See this Department of
> State announcement and this CNN article. As such, at least part of the
> blame for failing to stop the attacks is on his shoulders.
>
> (5) The Energy Task Force chaired by Dick Cheney prior to 9/11 collected
> maps of Iraqi oil, Saudi and United Arab Emerates fields and potential
> suitors for that oil. And you might have heard that the oil bigs
> attended the Task Force meetings.
>
> According to the New Yorker a secret document written by the National
> Security Council (NSC) on February 3, 2001 directed NSC staff to
> cooperate fully with the Energy Task Force as it considered the
> melding of two seemingly unrelated areas of policy:
keeping the mideast oil in hands that are friendly to the west
a vital national security interest? Of course, if they had ignored
it, why then you'd be here bitching about that as a security
failure....
>
> The review of operational policies towards rogue states, such as Iraq,
> and actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas
> fields .
>
> It is difficult to brush off Cheney s Energy Task Force s examination of
> arab oil maps as a harmless comparison of American energy policy with
> known oil reserves because the NSC explicitly linked the Task Force,
> oil, and regime change.
oil is a legitimate national security concern. They were doing their
job.
>
> The above-linked New Yorker article quotes a former senior director for
> Russian, Ukrainian, and Eurasian affairs at the NSC said:
>
> If this little group was discussing geostrategic plans for oil, it puts
> the issue of war in the context of the captains of the oil industry
> sitting down with Cheney and laying grand, global plans.
>
> Is that why idiot Cheney - the guy in charge of all terror protection
> efforts before and on 9/11 - failed to effectively respond to 9/11 with
> normal air defense? Was he too busy pining over Iraqi oil maps to pay
> any attention?
>
> (6) The military under the idiot Vice President s command that day
> didn t scramble enough fighter jets, and then scrambled jets far over
> the Atlantic Ocean, in what Senator Mark Dayton called:
>
> The most gross incompetence and dereliction of responsibility and
> negligence that I ve ever, under those extreme circumstances, witnessed
> in the public sector.
could have done anything differently. NORAD was focused
on aggression in traditional form, ie an attack from a foreign
power using ICBMs, bombers, etc. To expect that they
would react in under an hour to prevent planes from Logan
from hitting the WTC is nuts.
>
> Cheney - and the other people in charge of anti-terror response that day
> - screwed up big time.
and Monday morning quaterbacking
>
> But just like the bank CEOs who are rewarded for causing the financial
> crisis by being given bailouts and subsidies and breaks, the military
> and intelligence officials who dropped the ball that day have been
> promoted. As Time reported:
>
> They have basically promoted the exact same people who have presided
> over the ... failure," says a former Justice Department official, "and
> those individuals took the same thinking with them.
>
> As the Washington Post reported, no one from the CIA, FBI or NSA has
> been reprimanded, punished, or fired for the events of 9/11.
previous administrations that wrote laws specifically barring
the CIA from talking and sharing intelligence with the FBI.
The CIA had been tracking some of the hijackers and knew
they had entered the USA, but they could not tell the FBI.
>
> The same is true for the military personnel on watch that day. For
> example, General Myers, who was Acting Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of
> Staff on September 11th, was quickly confirmed as Chairman two weeks
> later. General Ralph Eberhart, Commander in Chief of NORAD at the time
> of the attack, was promoted to head the new "Northern Command" a year
> after the attack.
>
> Just as with the financial crisis, no one has been punished, and the
> people who screwed up have been allowed to fail upwards.
>
> (7) On the day of 9/11, Vice President Dick Cheney initiated Continuity
> of Government Plans that ended America s constitutional form of
> government (at least for some undetermined period of time.)
>
> On that same day, a national state of emergency was declared and that
> state of emergency has continuously been in effect up to today. ... even
> though U.S. military and intelligence officials say that the threat from
> Al Qaeda is now almost entirely non-existent.
facts. Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
to rain destruction on the USA.
>
> (8) Many of the draconian "national security programs" - such as the
> Patriot Act, spying on Americans and indefinite detention - overtly
> approved after 9/11 had actually been implemented or planned before
> 9/11. September 11th was used as an excuse to ramp up these programs.
enough wasn't done to prevent 911. Now that we do have
much better programs that are working, why that's not good
either....
>
> These programs were approved during the Bush administration ... but were
> never terminated by the Obama administration. In fact, while Obama is a
> nicer and smarter guy than Bush, top constitutional law professors say
> that Obama has actually expanded these programs. And top national
> security experts say that these programs actually harm our national
> security and increase the threat from terrorism. See this and this.
>
> (9) The Bush administration immediately used the 9/11 attacks as an
> excuse to carry out decades-old neoconservative plans to implement
> regime change throughout the Middle East and North Africa. And see
> this,
>
> (10) The Bush administration pretended that Saddam Hussein had a hand in
> 9/11 ... one of the two main justifications for that war.
No such claim was made
>
> (11) Allegedly, Saddam offered to leave Iraq - and the Taliban offered
> to turn over Bin Laden - in order to prevent U.S. invasion. But the
> U.S. turned down the offers and invaded anyway.
>
> We can't get the bad guys using peaceful means, now can we? We have a
> war to fight!
Bin LAden's arrest, right? Do you watch the news? Even
a decade later a covert operation into Pakistan in the middle
of the night was needed to capture him.
>
> (12) In contrast, other governments that might actually have sponsored
> the attacks have been let off scot-free ... and have even been given
> huge amounts of financial support.
>
> (13) As the 9/11 Commission itself notes, as part of its ass-covering
> efforts, the Bush administration engaged in criminal obstruction of
> justice.
>
> There are numerous examples of obstruction of justice into the 9/11
> investigation, including:
>
> * The chairs of both the 9/11 Commission and the Official Congressional
> Inquiry into 9/11 said that Soviet-style government minders obstructed
> the investigation into 9/11 by intimidating witnesses
>
> * The 9/11 Commissioners concluded that officials from the Pentagon lied
> to the Commission, and considered recommending criminal charges for such
> false statements
>
> * The tape of interviews of air traffic controllers on-duty on 9/11 was
> intentionally destroyed by crushing the cassette by hand, cutting the
> tape into little pieces, and then dropping the pieces in different trash
> cans around the building as shown by this NY Times article (summary
> version is free; full version is pay-per-view) and by this article from
> the Chicago Sun-Times
>
> * As reported by ACLU, FireDogLake, RawStory and many others,
> declassified documents shows that Senior Bush administration officials
> sternly cautioned the 9/11 Commission against probing too deeply into
> the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001
Bush Derangement Syndrome
>
> Moreover, the CIA videotaped the interrogation of 9/11 suspects, falsely
> told the 9/11 Commission that there were no videotapes or other records
> of the interrogations, and then illegally destroyed all of the tapes and
> transcripts of the interrogations.
>
> 9/11 Commission co-chairs Thomas Keane and Lee Hamilton wrote:
>
> Those who knew about those videotapes and did not tell us about them
> obstructed our investigation.
>
> This is particularly disturbing because the torture methods used were
> specially-targeted at producing false confessions. And according to NBC
> News:
>
> * Much of the 9/11 Commission Report was based upon the testimony of
> people who were tortured
>
> * At least four of the people whose interrogation figured in the 9/11
>
> read more »
What a total crock.
Bush Derangement Syndrome
trader4 is a moron
Aug 27, 2012, 2:24:56 PM8/27/12
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> Bush Derangement Syndrome
What your feeble brain did not notice is that I gave a link to the
material I quoted, and that link includes links to every piece of
evidence that you are calling "bush derangement" and "lies".
So Mr. Bush ass-licker, apologist and sycophant - go and read the
original post, and follow the links:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-26/911-criminal-incompetence-and-ass-covering-bush-administration
You can post your apology to everyone here once you've taken your foot
out of your mouth.
> Bush Derangement Syndrome
> and Monday morning quaterbacking
> Bush Derangement Syndrome
> and Monday morning quaterbacking
> Bush Derangement Syndrome and denial of the most basic
> facts. Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
> to rain destruction on the USA.
> facts. Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
> to rain destruction on the USA.
> Bush Derangement Syndrome. First you bitch because
> enough wasn't done to prevent 911. Now that we do have
> much better programs that are working, why that's not good
> either....
I'm not going to embarrass you any further.
> enough wasn't done to prevent 911. Now that we do have
> much better programs that are working, why that's not good
> either....
What your feeble brain did not notice is that I gave a link to the
material I quoted, and that link includes links to every piece of
evidence that you are calling "bush derangement" and "lies".
So Mr. Bush ass-licker, apologist and sycophant - go and read the
original post, and follow the links:
http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-26/911-criminal-incompetence-and-ass-covering-bush-administration
You can post your apology to everyone here once you've taken your foot
out of your mouth.
Brian
Aug 27, 2012, 9:07:35 PM8/27/12
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On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 08:39:20 -0500, The Daring Dufas
never an excuse for a President to blame conditions that existed when
they took office; right from day one, they were immediately
responsible. So the laws that prevented the FBI and the CIA from
exchanging information didn't matter. The collapse of the tech bubble
didn't matter.
When Obama became President, I asked if the same applied to him. He
stopped posting about politics.
The Daring Dufas
Aug 27, 2012, 9:38:46 PM8/27/12
to
prosecute in a court of law and put him away. It's so simple. O_o
TDD
The Daring Dufas
Aug 27, 2012, 9:47:40 PM8/27/12
to
for a few thing that he does, that person must be an evil Republican.
Bush and company did a lot of things that pissed me off but the new kid
on the block seems to piss me off with everything he does. Oh yea,
P.L.L.C.F. = Progressive Liberal Leftist Commiecrat Freak/s. The acronym
saves a lot of typing. ^_^
TDD
Dave U Random
Aug 27, 2012, 10:17:56 PM8/27/12
to
"tra...@optonline.net" wrote:
> Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
> to rain destruction on the USA.
You mean like this plot?
> Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
> to rain destruction on the USA.
==============
http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/army/245747-soldiers-alleged-plot-to-assassinate-president-overthrow-government-emerges-in-murder-trial
Soldiers allegedly plotted to kill Obama, oust government
By Jeremy Herb - 08/27/12 04:08 PM ET
Army soldiers formed a militia group in Georgia that plotted to
overthrow the U.S. government — and they killed a fellow soldier and his
girlfriend to keep the plot secret, prosecutors alleged Monday,
according to the Associated Press.
Prosecutors in the Long County, Ga., case say that the militia group
planned to overtake the nearby Fort Stewart, to bomb a dam in Washington
state and poison the state’s apple crop and ultimately overthrow the
government and assassinate the president, according to reports.
The group of former and activity duty U.S. service members spent at
least $87,000 on guns and bomb components, prosecutors said.
The anarchist allegations emerged Monday during the trial where four
soldiers are accused of killing former soldier Michael Roark and his
17-year-old girlfriend Tiffany York, to stop their plan from being
revealed.
"This domestic terrorist organization did not simply plan and talk,"
prosecutor Isabel Pauley told the judge. "Prior to the murders in this
case, the group took action. Evidence shows the group possessed the
knowledge, means and motive to carry out their plans."
The militia group’s name is F.E.A.R, which stands for Forever Enduring
Always Ready. Prosecutors did not know how many members the group had,
according to published reports.
The four soldiers accused of killing Roark knew each other at Fort
Stewart. One of the four soldiers charged, Pfc. Michael Burnett, backed
up the prosecutor’s claims Monday, after he pleaded guilty to
manslaughter and agreed to testify against the others, the AP reported.
The other defendants, Pvt. Isaac Aguigui, Sgt. Anthony Peden and Pvt.
Christopher Salmon, have been charged in criminal court with murder and
criminal gang activity, among other charges. The Army also filed charges
against the four soldiers, according to reports, although it has not
acted on them.
=========================
What?
What did you say traitor4?
Speak up - I can't hear you.
You said - "but, but, your story isin't about Al Qaeda!"
Ah - so it's not.
What does that tell you?
Does it tell you that the most dangerous nut jobs running around inside
your own country aren't Al Qaeda operatives or little-old-ladies that
need to have their walker's X-rayed at TSA checkpoints?
Does it tell you that the most dangerous nut jobs running around inside
your own country are born American white male ex-army whack-jobs with a
fettish for guns?
tra...@optonline.net
Aug 28, 2012, 3:00:03 AM8/28/12
to
On Aug 27, 10:15 pm, Dave U Random <Ran...@name.com> wrote:
Capiche?
>
> What?
>
> What did you say traitor4?
>
> Speak up - I can't hear you.
That's because you're hearing those voices in your head.
>
> You said - "but, but, your story isin't about Al Qaeda!"
>
> Ah - so it's not.
>
> What does that tell you?
That you're a loon who wants to try to equate apples
and elephants.
>
> Does it tell you that the most dangerous nut jobs running around inside
> your own country aren't Al Qaeda operatives or little-old-ladies that
> need to have their walker's X-rayed at TSA checkpoints?
No. Because if you add up all the people Al-Qaeda has
killed, all the terrorists acts it has committed, all the
attempts, the threat it continues to pose, it greatly exceeds
that of any small groups of home grown anarchists.
>
> Does it tell you that the most dangerous nut jobs running around inside
> your own country are born American white male ex-army whack-jobs with a
> fettish for guns?
Clearly all the objective evidence available for a fair
analysis says you are wrong. But then a fair analysis isn't
your realm. Distortion and conspiracy nut theories are.
> "trad...@optonline.net" wrote:
> > Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
> > to rain destruction on the USA.
>
> You mean like this plot?
>
> ==============http://thehill.com/blogs/defcon-hill/army/245747-soldiers-alleged-plo...
> > Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
> > to rain destruction on the USA.
>
> You mean like this plot?
>
>
> Soldiers allegedly plotted to kill Obama, oust government
> By Jeremy Herb - 08/27/12 04:08 PM ET
No, because that plot was not an Al-Qaeda plot.
> Soldiers allegedly plotted to kill Obama, oust government
> By Jeremy Herb - 08/27/12 04:08 PM ET
Capiche?
>
> What?
>
> What did you say traitor4?
>
> Speak up - I can't hear you.
>
> You said - "but, but, your story isin't about Al Qaeda!"
>
> Ah - so it's not.
>
> What does that tell you?
and elephants.
>
> Does it tell you that the most dangerous nut jobs running around inside
> your own country aren't Al Qaeda operatives or little-old-ladies that
> need to have their walker's X-rayed at TSA checkpoints?
killed, all the terrorists acts it has committed, all the
attempts, the threat it continues to pose, it greatly exceeds
that of any small groups of home grown anarchists.
>
> Does it tell you that the most dangerous nut jobs running around inside
> your own country are born American white male ex-army whack-jobs with a
> fettish for guns?
analysis says you are wrong. But then a fair analysis isn't
your realm. Distortion and conspiracy nut theories are.
Kurt Ullman
Aug 28, 2012, 8:23:48 AM8/28/12
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In article <503C2A54...@name.com>,
Queda. Doesn't remotely mean that they aren't out there, also. Granny is
just a sacrifice to political correctness.
ns?
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe
> Does it tell you that the most dangerous nut jobs running around inside
> your own country aren't Al Qaeda operatives or little-old-ladies that
> need to have their walker's X-rayed at TSA checkpoints?
>
Not at all. It tells us that SOME of the dangerous nutjobs aren't Al
> your own country aren't Al Qaeda operatives or little-old-ladies that
> need to have their walker's X-rayed at TSA checkpoints?
>
Queda. Doesn't remotely mean that they aren't out there, also. Granny is
just a sacrifice to political correctness.
ns?
--
America is at that awkward stage. It's too late
to work within the system, but too early to shoot
the bastards."-- Claire Wolfe
dgk
Aug 28, 2012, 11:30:14 AM8/28/12
to
absurd. Those people were far from incompetent. The obvious conclusion
is that 9/11 was allowed to happen because it allowed powerful US
interests to achieve their goals. It is pretty much what I think
happened.
tra...@optonline.net
Aug 28, 2012, 11:40:43 AM8/28/12
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On Aug 28, 11:30 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:24:56 -0400, trader4 is a moron
>
>
>
>
>
> <trad...@morons.r.us> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Aug 2012 14:24:56 -0400, trader4 is a moron
>
>
>
>
>
> >"trad...@optonline.net" wrote:
>
> >> Absent a link,
> >> I say it's another lie.
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome
> >> and Monday morning quaterbacking
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome and denial of the most basic
> >> facts. Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
> >> to rain destruction on the USA.
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome. First you bitch because
> >> enough wasn't done to prevent 911. Now that we do have
> >> much better programs that are working, why that's not good
> >> either....
>
> >I'm not going to embarrass you any further.
>
> >What your feeble brain did not notice is that I gave a link to the
> >material I quoted, and that link includes links to every piece of
> >evidence that you are calling "bush derangement" and "lies".
>
> >So Mr. Bush ass-licker, apologist and sycophant - go and read the
> >original post, and follow the links:
>
> >http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2012-08-26/911-criminal-incompet...
>
> >> Absent a link,
> >> I say it's another lie.
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome
> >> and Monday morning quaterbacking
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome and denial of the most basic
> >> facts. Every year we've successfully derailed Al Qaeda plots
> >> to rain destruction on the USA.
> >> Bush Derangement Syndrome. First you bitch because
> >> enough wasn't done to prevent 911. Now that we do have
> >> much better programs that are working, why that's not good
> >> either....
>
> >I'm not going to embarrass you any further.
>
> >What your feeble brain did not notice is that I gave a link to the
> >material I quoted, and that link includes links to every piece of
> >evidence that you are calling "bush derangement" and "lies".
>
> >So Mr. Bush ass-licker, apologist and sycophant - go and read the
> >original post, and follow the links:
>
>
> >You can post your apology to everyone here once you've taken your foot
> >out of your mouth.
>
> Interesting links, but the idea that it was all incompetence is
> absurd. Those people were far from incompetent. The obvious conclusion
> is that 9/11 was allowed to happen because it allowed powerful US
> interests to achieve their goals. It is pretty much what I think
> happened.- Hide quoted text -
> >You can post your apology to everyone here once you've taken your foot
> >out of your mouth.
>
> Interesting links, but the idea that it was all incompetence is
> absurd. Those people were far from incompetent. The obvious conclusion
> is that 9/11 was allowed to happen because it allowed powerful US
> interests to achieve their goals. It is pretty much what I think
>
> - Show quoted text -
In my world incompetence in govt is not unusual. In
fact, it's quite common. An example of the incompetence
that lead to 911 was the laws passed decades ago that
prohibited the CIA from sharing intelligence with the FBI.
Now it would be one hell of a vast and long conspiracy
for that to have been done decades ago in order for
911 to happen. The reality it was just a dumb thing the libs
did in their quest to make the world right.
And exactly what goals were achieved? Anything in
Afghanistan that looks attractive to you? With Iraq, the
conspiracy folks claimed a decade ago that it was the
Iraqi oil that the US was after. In fact, we've left Iraq
and the oil still belongs to the Iraqi people, so that
myth is shot.
dgk
Aug 29, 2012, 8:24:02 AM8/29/12
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supposed to put in a nice subservient bunch of Quislings who would get
rich while screwing their people. It was supposed to be Chalabi and
his crew. But we're still hard at work getting those oil contracts.
Here is a quote from Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler
explaing why we go to war:
"I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil
interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the
National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping
of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall
Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua
for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912
(where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the
Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I
helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_Racket
We don't go to war for Mom, Apple Pie, or Democracy. We go because
someone is making big money on it.
tra...@optonline.net
Aug 29, 2012, 11:08:13 AM8/29/12
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On Aug 29, 8:24 am, dgk <d...@somewhere.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT), "trad...@optonline.net"
Sure, more vast conspiracy theories with no foundation.
If we wanted the oil, all we had to do was TAKE the oil.
Put a fence around it, etc. and keep it. Actually, it would
have been very easy to justify. We could have kept an
interest in the oil until the cost of their war of liberation
was paid for.
The truth is, that unlike your
jaundiced view of the USA, we are not a conquering
people. What did we do after WWII?
Keep Germany? Keep Japan? Quite the opposite,
we rebuilt them gave them enormous aid, built
democratic governments and set them free.
>
> Here is a quote from Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler
> explaing why we go to war:
>
> "I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil
> interests in 1914.
Good example. Who owns Mexico's oil? The Mexican govt
or the USA?
>I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the
> National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.
>I helped in the raping
> of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall
> Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua
> for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912
> (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the
> Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I
> helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_Racket
>
> We don't go to war for Mom, Apple Pie, or Democracy. We go because
> someone is making big money on it.- Hide quoted text -
his logic, anytime the USA protects it's vital interests anywhere,
why we're just war mogering. Today he'd be bitching because
we're not about to let terrorists take over the Mideast oil.
If that is war mongering, count me and most Americans in.
You obviously can't even recognize when your own
conspiracy theories are proven wrong. The example of Iraq is
clear as day. All we heard from the conspiracy nuts for
years was that we went there for the oil. Well,
the war is over, the US troops are
gone. The oil still belongs to the Iraqis. And in fact,
they have awarded almost all the long term oil contracts
for their major fields to European, Russian, or Asian
companies. Yet, instead of recognizing it, you
continue to avoid the mountain of evidence and instead
now claim that the conspiracy just failed. Lame, very
lame.
It's like the 911 conspiracy nuts. The hole in the
Pentagon is too small, the wrong shape. The pieces
of airplane at Shanksville are too small. Of course
if the hole at the Pentagon were bigger and looked like
the shape of a plane, or the parts at Shanksville were
bigger, then they'd be claiming that was not right
either and it was obviously staged. In other words,
the conclusion is pre-determined, the facts ignored
and fabricated as needed in a pathetic attempt to
mislead.
> On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 08:40:43 -0700 (PDT), "trad...@optonline.net"
If we wanted the oil, all we had to do was TAKE the oil.
Put a fence around it, etc. and keep it. Actually, it would
have been very easy to justify. We could have kept an
interest in the oil until the cost of their war of liberation
was paid for.
The truth is, that unlike your
jaundiced view of the USA, we are not a conquering
people. What did we do after WWII?
Keep Germany? Keep Japan? Quite the opposite,
we rebuilt them gave them enormous aid, built
democratic governments and set them free.
>
> Here is a quote from Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler
> explaing why we go to war:
>
> "I helped make Mexico, especially Tampico, safe for American oil
> interests in 1914.
or the USA?
>I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the
> National City Bank boys to collect revenues in.
>I helped in the raping
> of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefits of Wall
> Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua
> for the international banking house of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912
> (where have I heard that name before?). I brought light to the
> Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China I
> helped to see to it that Standard Oil went its way unmolested."
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_is_a_Racket
>
> We don't go to war for Mom, Apple Pie, or Democracy. We go because
>
> - Show quoted text -
Obviously another very jaundiced one-sided loon. Following
> - Show quoted text -
his logic, anytime the USA protects it's vital interests anywhere,
why we're just war mogering. Today he'd be bitching because
we're not about to let terrorists take over the Mideast oil.
If that is war mongering, count me and most Americans in.
You obviously can't even recognize when your own
conspiracy theories are proven wrong. The example of Iraq is
clear as day. All we heard from the conspiracy nuts for
years was that we went there for the oil. Well,
the war is over, the US troops are
gone. The oil still belongs to the Iraqis. And in fact,
they have awarded almost all the long term oil contracts
for their major fields to European, Russian, or Asian
companies. Yet, instead of recognizing it, you
continue to avoid the mountain of evidence and instead
now claim that the conspiracy just failed. Lame, very
lame.
It's like the 911 conspiracy nuts. The hole in the
Pentagon is too small, the wrong shape. The pieces
of airplane at Shanksville are too small. Of course
if the hole at the Pentagon were bigger and looked like
the shape of a plane, or the parts at Shanksville were
bigger, then they'd be claiming that was not right
either and it was obviously staged. In other words,
the conclusion is pre-determined, the facts ignored
and fabricated as needed in a pathetic attempt to
mislead.
dgk
Aug 30, 2012, 9:11:34 AM8/30/12
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 08:08:13 -0700 (PDT), "tra...@optonline.net"
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Obviously another very jaundiced one-sided loon. Following
>his logic, anytime the USA protects it's vital interests anywhere,
>why we're just war mogering. Today he'd be bitching because
>we're not about to let terrorists take over the Mideast oil.
>If that is war mongering, count me and most Americans in.
Ah, admitting it. We go to war, illegally, because someone gets rich.
<tra...@optonline.net> wrote:
>Obviously another very jaundiced one-sided loon. Following
>his logic, anytime the USA protects it's vital interests anywhere,
>why we're just war mogering. Today he'd be bitching because
>we're not about to let terrorists take over the Mideast oil.
>If that is war mongering, count me and most Americans in.
Of course, what exactly is "vital interests" is the question here.
Mostly what my government does abroad is to protect the investments of
the <1%. Those interests do not often coincide with mine and often are
antagonistic. Our huge military budget has nothing to do with keeping
me safe, it's all about protecting the military-industrial complex.
9/11 was used as justification for invading Iraq, when they knew all
the time that 9/11 had nothing to do with Iraq. Iraq was all about the
neo-con dream of creating a "New American Century". I do not want an
empire. And I don't want us burning lots of fossil fuel, not only
because it is altering our climate but also because petroleum is too
valuable to be wasted that way. Much better to use it for plastics and
such. Our heirs may very well curse us for both reasons.
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